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(Talking Points Memo)   Mark Pryor wants to lift Arkansas out of poverty, get to "Kansas" level   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 55
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2014-01-02 09:42:27 AM
As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.
 
2014-01-02 10:35:55 AM

jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.


*ronpaulitshappening.gif*
 
2014-01-02 10:53:52 AM
It'll be fun to watch Arkansas vote against its own interests again, and boot Mark Pryor out in 2014.
 
2014-01-02 10:56:31 AM

jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.


brownbackistan is the great republican experiment. i'm genuinely curious to see how it works out.
 
2014-01-02 11:07:37 AM

FlashHarry: jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.

brownbackistan is the great republican experiment. i'm genuinely curious to see how it works out.


It's rare to sit in Nebraska and be able to look down on someplace else. I almost don't want Kansas to come out of its craphole...but I'm also a little scared the dumbf*cks in this state will start thinking Brownback's got some great ideas.
 
2014-01-02 11:09:28 AM
We all know that the best way to help the poor is tax cuts for the rich.
 
2014-01-02 11:11:21 AM

verbaltoxin: It'll be fun to watch Arkansas vote against its own interests again, and boot Mark Pryor out in 2014.


If by fun you mean sad then yes, yes it will.
 
MFK
2014-01-02 11:12:15 AM
Oh great. A dollar increase that won't come along for three years. However will the nation survive?

The fact that a DOLLAR PER HOUR has to go through such a long waiting period so the job creators can prepare and adjust just says that we already lost the class war and we should just stfu and get back to slaving away and be thankful about it.
 
2014-01-02 11:13:52 AM
grasping for straw to keep the voters from kicking his ass out of the senate in november.
 
2014-01-02 11:17:45 AM

jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.


What you're feeling is the American Middle Class pulling the train of the Plutocracy and begging for the privilege of a golden shower but getting Hitler'd.
 
2014-01-02 11:18:23 AM

FlashHarry: jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.

brownbackistan is the great republican experiment. i'm genuinely curious to see how it works out.


Spoiler Alert: Bad. We've been starving our elementary and secondary education for years now, and one of the positive things Brownback said he would do is fix that. Ha ha, no....that's what happens when you slash income tax revenues and a bunch of new businesses/citizens don't magically appear in every corner of the state.
 
2014-01-02 11:18:37 AM
The problem with Arkansas is that a bunch of racist love there.

I don't say this as some coastal elitist.  I was born in fort smith.   I have family member in van buran and alma that hate Obama even tho their kids just got Medicaid and these "kids" are my age and older and this is the first time they've ever had insurance in their life, but Fark the blah guy.

That was their actual message to me, sure we got insurance but he's still black.  That was them being nice their friends that were with them were not as nice.

My family are ignorant hillbillies or just arkansionians.   Glad I got out to Tulsa, snicker
 
2014-01-02 11:21:44 AM

FlashHarry: brownbackistan is the great republican experiment. i'm genuinely curious to see how it works out.


To my knowledge, radical libertarianism has only been tried once in a modern, developed (non-third-world) setting.  People should google "Kowloon walled city" to see how it turned out.  Better yet, GIS it.

/also, there's a great documentary on youtube
 
2014-01-02 11:21:51 AM
They call it Silicon Prairie!   Look out San Francisco.  Here comes Wichita!

Google, Twitter, Facebook, and all of the other hot tech startups are leaving COMMIEfornia for the low taxes and business friendly environment of Kansas. Pretty soon, KOOKIEfornia will have no more businesses left.  I know I've been saying this every year since 1980, but THIS is the year that it will truly happen.

Suck it, libs.
 
2014-01-02 11:25:30 AM

verbaltoxin: It'll be fun to watch Arkansas vote against its own interests again, and boot Mark Pryor out in 2014.


And we're done. Until you enact enough social change to make economic change possible, Pryor's fantasy isn't ever going to be reality, and Pryor is incapable of enacting that level of social change.
 
2014-01-02 11:25:50 AM

jayhawk88: that's what happens when you slash income tax revenues and a bunch of new businesses/citizens don't magically appear in every corner of the state.


I've always thought job training would be the silver bullet to drive in new businesses.  Partner with local vocational schools, community colleges, etc. and have the company send instructors to teach people the skills they'll need to work in the new plant and deliver a fully trained workforce on day one.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-02 11:28:48 AM

Rapmaster2000: They call it Silicon Prairie!   Look out San Francisco.  Here comes Wichita!

Google, Twitter, Facebook, and all of the other hot tech startups are leaving COMMIEfornia for the low taxes and business friendly environment of Kansas. Pretty soon, KOOKIEfornia will have no more businesses left.  I know I've been saying this every year since 1980, but THIS is the year that it will truly happen.

Suck it, libs.


People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.
 
2014-01-02 11:29:00 AM
I'm surprised Pryor didn't tear his rotator cuff submitting the bill to the floor.
 
2014-01-02 11:30:03 AM

Chummer45: We all know that the best way to help the poor is tax cuts for the rich.


Unemployment benefits are not fair to the poor as it is discourages them from getting jobs

-- Rand Paul (and he really did say this)
 
2014-01-02 11:34:56 AM
"It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness," Obama administration senior adviser Dan Preiffer told The New York Times. "You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That's why the president put it on the agenda."


See, this kinda pisses me off. Are you trying to embarass Republicans or help workers to make a living wage? What is your main motivation? How about we be smart enough to act like we actually care about people and not about election cycles.
 
2014-01-02 11:39:14 AM
i2.cdn.turner.com
Good effort, Mark.

/Different last name spelling, I know
 
2014-01-02 11:39:28 AM

d23: Rapmaster2000: They call it Silicon Prairie!   Look out San Francisco.  Here comes Wichita!

Google, Twitter, Facebook, and all of the other hot tech startups are leaving COMMIEfornia for the low taxes and business friendly environment of Kansas. Pretty soon, KOOKIEfornia will have no more businesses left.  I know I've been saying this every year since 1980, but THIS is the year that it will truly happen.

Suck it, libs.

People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.


They will when the hard working job creators who create jobs work so hard to create jobs that jobs are created..
 
2014-01-02 11:43:42 AM
Have they tried tax cuts yet?
 
2014-01-02 11:44:16 AM

Chummer45: We all know that the best way to help the poor is tax cuts for the rich.


s3.amazonaws.com

Addendum: The HTML editor is pants. I couldn't make this any smaller.
/flaming
//on head
///underpants
////and copiously soiled.
 
2014-01-02 11:44:57 AM

d23: Rapmaster2000: They call it Silicon Prairie!   Look out San Francisco.  Here comes Wichita!

Google, Twitter, Facebook, and all of the other hot tech startups are leaving COMMIEfornia for the low taxes and business friendly environment of Kansas. Pretty soon, KOOKIEfornia will have no more businesses left.  I know I've been saying this every year since 1980, but THIS is the year that it will truly happen.

Suck it, libs.

People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.


They will when immigration reform passes and we have a dramatic increase in h1bs.
 
2014-01-02 11:49:36 AM

Rapmaster2000: d23: Rapmaster2000: They call it Silicon Prairie!   Look out San Francisco.  Here comes Wichita!

Google, Twitter, Facebook, and all of the other hot tech startups are leaving COMMIEfornia for the low taxes and business friendly environment of Kansas. Pretty soon, KOOKIEfornia will have no more businesses left.  I know I've been saying this every year since 1980, but THIS is the year that it will truly happen.

Suck it, libs.

People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.

They will when the hard working job creators who create jobs work so hard to create jobs that jobs are created..


www.wearysloth.com

How many jobs is that?
 
2014-01-02 11:49:39 AM
He's tentatively supports a state effort that he has no say in, while he doesn't support a Federal minimum wage raise.

Pretty ballsy.
 
2014-01-02 11:52:22 AM

DROxINxTHExWIND: "It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness," Obama administration senior adviser Dan Preiffer told The New York Times. "You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That's why the president put it on the agenda."


See, this kinda pisses me off. Are you trying to embarass Republicans or help workers to make a living wage? What is your main motivation? How about we be smart enough to act like we actually care about people and not about election cycles.



No he's not trying to embarrass Republicans.  Embarrassment requires shame, something that has not been in the Republican party for quite a while.
 
2014-01-02 11:55:00 AM

d23: People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.


Even if they did, who wants to move to a state where services and infrastructure have been cut to the bone to give you a favorable tax rate?  Eventually someone is going to have to pick up the slack, and if it isn't the government, it's going to have to be the private interests that need it to keep up operations.
 
2014-01-02 11:55:21 AM

dryknife: He's tentatively supports a state effort that he has no say in, while he doesn't support a Federal minimum wage raise.

Pretty ballsy.


Right.  Don't people just realize that if we eliminated the minimum wage, everyone could have a job!
 
2014-01-02 11:56:20 AM
I'd be more inclined to agree with him if he hadn't blown game 6 of the NLCS in 2003.
 
2014-01-02 11:56:55 AM
Fun fact: HP snookered $50 million in tax credits, infrastructure, & a free building out of AR in exchange for 1000 jobs, only to cut half those jobs in restructuring. However, HP is on the hook for some of those credits because they missed employment requirements & are now on a hiring spree so they don't have to pay AR back. The jobs they are hiring for look to be DB developers & account managers, which while providing a good income, are still located in Conway, AR. The same Conway that banned MTV from the local cable company (back when MTV was relevant). Not exactly an intellectual/job Mecca.

/Native Arkansan, ex-HP
//Hp should've put the office in NWA where they already had an office & is the best part of AR anyway
 
2014-01-02 12:05:36 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: "It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness," Obama administration senior adviser Dan Preiffer told The New York Times. "You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That's why the president put it on the agenda."


See, this kinda pisses me off. Are you trying to embarass Republicans or help workers to make a living wage? What is your main motivation? How about we be smart enough to act like we actually care about people and not about election cycles.


Because in the mind of a Republican, a "zero minimum" wage WOULD help people earn more, because now they'd each value their time/skills differently rather than accept the $7.25 that the government gives them, and would OF COURSE negotiate higher than that rate because freedom.

Just like a 400-pound person running without stopping will of course turn into a world-class marathoner eventually.
 
2014-01-02 12:33:18 PM
How is a 1$ raise in minimum wage spread out over 3 years even remotely a tough deal for any business, even one whose product is primarily minimum wage service (like landscaping, I suppose).  Minimum wages can't be that big a percentage of your cost of goods and services -  we're talking about a 13% rise in labor costs... you could see that a couple of times a year in fuel costs.

It's just a whole lot of blustering by people who want free labor, but will settle for extremely cheap if they have to.
 
2014-01-02 12:41:23 PM
Dusty Baker seen moving to Arkansas
 
2014-01-02 01:00:57 PM
I have often wondered, if we got rid of all the illegal aliens, how many soccer moms would allow their kids to go to work, to help support the family. Or start mowing their own lawns.
 
2014-01-02 01:08:06 PM

jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.


There's only so many businesses Brownback can poach from the Missouri side of KC though.
 
2014-01-02 01:10:26 PM

jayhawk88: FlashHarry: jayhawk88: As if. Coke, Apple, Ford, and Dell will all be moving their corporate offices/major manufacturing facilities to Kansas this year, thanks to the massive tax cuts for businesses and the rich enacted by Brownback. It's happening, people, I can feel it.

brownbackistan is the great republican experiment. i'm genuinely curious to see how it works out.

Spoiler Alert: Bad. We've been starving our elementary and secondary education for years now, and one of the positive things Brownback said he would do is fix that. Ha ha, no....that's what happens when you slash income tax revenues and a bunch of new businesses/citizens don't magically appear in every corner of the state.


But I remember him telling you guys that the loss in tax revenue would be offset by the new tax revenue coming in once the job creators move their businesses to KS. Are you telling me that he was lying?

(MO tried to pass something similar, luckily we have a governor that's sane enough to realize that a tax plan like this is a very bad idea).
 
2014-01-02 01:32:15 PM

IrateShadow: d23: People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.

Even if they did, who wants to move to a state where services and infrastructure have been cut to the bone to give you a favorable tax rate?  Eventually someone is going to have to pick up the slack, and if it isn't the government, it's going to have to be the private interests that need it to keep up operations.


And the thing that everyone misses is that it's just not all that favorable.

Federal tax rates are 70+% of your tax bill even in Commiefornia.

So if the States cut their taxes in half, my tax bill goes down by 15%.

And in the meantime, there's no schools or roads or anything else that the states are supposed to be doing with that 15%.

The reason why California sucks is NOT the taxes, it's the combination of high taxes and completely insane Cost Of Living that isn't nearly matched by the pay increase (because a 'poor' person can be running around on a 40-45% marginal tax rate, while shipping half their takehome into renting a 1 BR apartment).
 
2014-01-02 01:38:03 PM
I thought he was still on the DL?
 
2014-01-02 01:56:34 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: I thought he was still on the DL?


No, he retired a few weeks back.
 
2014-01-02 01:57:18 PM

aintnuttintofarkwith: I thought he was still on the DL?


There was a greenlit story last month (?) that he just officially retired.
 
2014-01-02 01:58:24 PM

verbaltoxin: It'll be fun to watch Arkansas vote against its own interests again, and boot Mark Pryor out in 2014.


Because their interests and his are like this

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-02 02:19:07 PM

meyerkev: IrateShadow: d23: People in tech don't like working for minimum wage.  Sorry, Arkansas.

Even if they did, who wants to move to a state where services and infrastructure have been cut to the bone to give you a favorable tax rate?  Eventually someone is going to have to pick up the slack, and if it isn't the government, it's going to have to be the private interests that need it to keep up operations.

And the thing that everyone misses is that it's just not all that favorable.

Federal tax rates are 70+% of your tax bill even in Commiefornia.

So if the States cut their taxes in half, my tax bill goes down by 15%.

And in the meantime, there's no schools or roads or anything else that the states are supposed to be doing with that 15%.

The reason why California sucks is NOT the taxes, it's the combination of high taxes and completely insane Cost Of Living that isn't nearly matched by the pay increase (because a 'poor' person can be running around on a 40-45% marginal tax rate, while shipping half their takehome into renting a 1 BR apartment).


Beats living in Kansas, still.
 
2014-01-02 02:25:24 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Beats living in Kansas, still.


Yup.
 
2014-01-02 02:27:46 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: "It puts Republicans on the wrong side of an important value issue when it comes to fairness," Obama administration senior adviser Dan Preiffer told The New York Times. "You can make a very strong case that this will be a helpful issue for Democrats in 2014. But the goal here is to actually get it done. That's why the president put it on the agenda."


See, this kinda pisses me off. Are you trying to embarass Republicans or help workers to make a living wage? What is your main motivation? How about we be smart enough to act like we actually care about people and not about election cycles.


I see your point, but I think it's perfectly fair to help workers earn a living wage while at the same time mention that the Republicans are, once again, embarrassing themselves.
 
2014-01-02 02:30:17 PM

JolobinSmokin: The problem with Arkansas is that a bunch of racist love there.

I don't say this as some coastal elitist.  I was born in fort smith.   I have family member in van buran and alma that hate Obama even tho their kids just got Medicaid and these "kids" are my age and older and this is the first time they've ever had insurance in their life, but Fark the blah guy.

That was their actual message to me, sure we got insurance but he's still black.  That was them being nice their friends that were with them were not as nice.

My family are ignorant hillbillies or just arkansionians.   Glad I got out to Tulsa, snicker


i like Fort Smith. It's cute. Dilapidated and dying, but cute.

But I spend more time up in Fayetteville, where half the city is pot smoking hippies and students, and the other half is good old boys. Weird place, Fayetteville.
 
2014-01-02 03:01:53 PM
When I lived in NWA 10 years, I had a decent apartment for $425 a month. Yes, you read that! Later on, I moved into a "luxury" apartment for $600. Moved back to Virginny, and was paying $1,000 a month for a shiathole. Moved to the country and spent $200,000 for a small house on a lot of land. In Arkansas, that $200,000 would have gotten me a mansion on a hill. ... And thanks to the Bush/Obama recession, I'm now making what I was 10 years ago!!! Damn, I miss the NWA with its real Mexican food (don't miss the 1920s alcohol laws, however).
 
2014-01-02 03:26:04 PM
I spent a fair amount of time traveling through Arkansas, Kansas, Missouri, etc. i group them all together because they're basically the same.

Was accosted by a methed out lunatic in Wichita. Frightening craphole that place is.

In general, the thing I heard the most was "we vote on social issues because we're going to get screwed economically either way". Yep, heard that a lot. They quite cynically realized that the game was fixed and they weren't going to see any improvements  no matter who they voted for. I could chastise them for not demanding better, but really, how is YOUR local government doing? Mine is currently mired in a kickback scandal. Hmm

So instead they vote on social issues. And since there are so many religious wing nuts out in the sticks, and they're the only strongly motivated voting group in that neck of the woods (do you think a guy who's content to go fishing and watch football cares about women's access to affordable contraception?), of course the wing nuts win.

And the green grass grows all around.
 
2014-01-02 03:38:43 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: JolobinSmokin: The problem with Arkansas is that a bunch of racist love there.

I don't say this as some coastal elitist.  I was born in fort smith.   I have family member in van buran and alma that hate Obama even tho their kids just got Medicaid and these "kids" are my age and older and this is the first time they've ever had insurance in their life, but Fark the blah guy.

That was their actual message to me, sure we got insurance but he's still black.  That was them being nice their friends that were with them were not as nice.

My family are ignorant hillbillies or just arkansionians.   Glad I got out to Tulsa, snicker

i like Fort Smith. It's cute. Dilapidated and dying, but cute.

But I spend more time up in Fayetteville, where half the city is pot smoking hippies and students, and the other half is good old boys. Weird place, Fayetteville.


The Fort is doing much better these days, with the big downtown renovation and the US Marshals Museum on the way. The towns around Fort Smith are doing even better.

That being said, I hate Fayetteville. Everyone talks about how there's this great hippy vibe and, outside of a few things related to the UofA, I never saw it. And I lived there. It's mostly self-important assholes from what I've seen... and the food sucks.

/I guess we're the Fark Arkansas brigade
 
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