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2014-01-02 10:08:41 AM  
Futurama is anti-reptile propaganda.
 
2014-01-02 10:09:24 AM  
Dear Suburbanites,

  Yes, I understand you would love to burn all of metro Toronto to the ground in exchange for helping destroy the central city in the process but Rob Ford is desperately needed to kick off the new SCTV. With Ford's unique blend of John Candy, Chris Farley, and Gerald Ford, it would be destined to be a hit on both sides of the border. If you won't think about the good of Toronto, think about how the once might Canadian comedy machine can rise again to crush all others.
 
2014-01-02 10:11:29 AM  
In fact, forget the campaign.
 
2014-01-02 10:12:23 AM  
My goodness.

Normally, the US has Canada beat for entertaining political theater, but he is just the gift that keeps giving!

/US-Canadian dual citizen
 
2014-01-02 10:13:42 AM  
Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.
 
2014-01-02 10:13:48 AM  
Holy crap, he is Human Bender, isn't he?

bostonskeptics.com
 
2014-01-02 10:16:02 AM  

jayhawk88: Holy crap, he is Human Bender, isn't he?

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2014-01-02 10:17:49 AM  
Hey Canada,

You keep wondering how we can elect total numbfarks and chucklefarks?  Now's your opportunity to observe upfront.  Just get all the hayseed crowd worked up about those big city (read "minority") lubruls and how you're going to take them down a notch and BAM!  Instant 62 percent backing from the common clay crowd.
 
2014-01-02 10:18:59 AM  
Remember, folks, he has PLENTY of pussy to eat at home.
 
2014-01-02 10:23:04 AM  

jayhawk88: Holy crap, he is Human Bender, isn't he?


Bite my shiny Canadian ass?
 
2014-01-02 10:24:20 AM  
A poll released last month indicated that despite a year of scandals and apologies, 39 per cent of Torontonians would consider voting for Ford again.

The Ipsos-Reid poll also found that his agenda - a promise to end the gravy train and reduce spending - still resonates among 62 per cent of voters.


Did he at least promise to quit smoking so much crack? Seriously, people, unless this was Jesus Christ risen from the grave, I would say that regardless of his "promises", he is on a very fast downhill slide. I would recommend that you people stay FAR away from him.
 
2014-01-02 10:24:50 AM  
He only has about 30% support, but if there are 4 or 5 other candidates that might be enough to win:

Other likely & possible candidates:
Olivia Chow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Chow
David Soknacki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Soknacki
Denzil Minnan-Wong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzil_Minnan-Wong
Karen Stintz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Stintz
John Tory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tory
 
2014-01-02 10:26:16 AM  

Egoy3k: Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.


You think his behavior is indicative of a problem that extends no farther than his "public image"?
 
2014-01-02 10:32:51 AM  

CokeBear: He only has about 30% support, but if there are 4 or 5 other candidates that might be enough to win:

Other likely & possible candidates:
Olivia Chow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Chow
David Soknacki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Soknacki
Denzil Minnan-Wong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzil_Minnan-Wong
Karen Stintz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Stintz
John Tory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tory


Denzil or Tory would shave off votes from the sane conservative crowd if they run. Denzil probably won't run if Tory Runs. Stintz is Centre-right so she might shave votes as well. Likely all eyes are on Tory to avoid splitting the vote any further.

I don't like Minnan-Wong's politics, but he has a dark horse shot if the left is split as well - similar message as Ford, less shenanigans, and his district is pretty much the midpoint between city outer suburbs so he has a good message of being a moderate advocate of both sides. Partial Chinese heritage doesn't hurt either in a Toronto.

The left better pick their main champion - last time the run up to election soured too many people on the remaining candidate.
 
2014-01-02 10:33:46 AM  

Mikey1969: Egoy3k: Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.

You think his behavior is indicative of a problem that extends no farther than his "public image"?


Honestly?  I don't care.
 
2014-01-02 10:36:45 AM  

pueblonative: Hey Canada,

You keep wondering how we can elect total numbfarks and chucklefarks?  Now's your opportunity to observe upfront.  Just get all the hayseed crowd worked up about those big city (read "minority") lubruls and how you're going to take them down a notch and BAM!  Instant 62 percent backing from the common clay crowd.


This whole thing has been so depressing for me.  I feel let down by democracy.
 
2014-01-02 10:42:49 AM  
and here in America San Diego shamester Bob Filner just got his anklet and starts 3 months of home confinement.

"Hey Rob, come on down to SD for a snow-bird thing. Bring some broads with youse."
 
2014-01-02 10:43:57 AM  

Egoy3k: Mikey1969: Egoy3k: Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.

You think his behavior is indicative of a problem that extends no farther than his "public image"?

Honestly?  I don't care.


Considering that you are kind of supporting him here, I figured that it would matter... I've seen nothing of his behavior that would indicate anything other than a very unstable person. One I personally wouldn't want to be an elected official in MY city.
 
2014-01-02 10:44:52 AM  

Mikey1969: A poll released last month indicated that despite a year of scandals and apologies, 39 per cent of Torontonians would consider voting for Ford again.

The Ipsos-Reid poll also found that his agenda - a promise to end the gravy train and reduce spending - still resonates among 62 per cent of voters.

Did he at least promise to quit smoking so much crack? Seriously, people, unless this was Jesus Christ risen from the grave, I would say that regardless of his "promises", he is on a very fast downhill slide. I would recommend that you people stay FAR away from him.


He said he talked to "experts" who have assured him he does not have a substance abuse problem. Both his past crack use and his continuing alcohol use to the degree of resulting drunken stupors are in no way signs of addiction and are in no way detrimental to his ability to govern. He's promised to start going to the gym; what else do you people want?
 
2014-01-02 10:46:27 AM  

bigbadideasinaction: CokeBear: He only has about 30% support, but if there are 4 or 5 other candidates that might be enough to win:

Other likely & possible candidates:
Olivia Chow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivia_Chow
David Soknacki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Soknacki
Denzil Minnan-Wong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denzil_Minnan-Wong
Karen Stintz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Stintz
John Tory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tory

Denzil or Tory would shave off votes from the sane conservative crowd if they run. Denzil probably won't run if Tory Runs. Stintz is Centre-right so she might shave votes as well. Likely all eyes are on Tory to avoid splitting the vote any further.

I don't like Minnan-Wong's politics, but he has a dark horse shot if the left is split as well - similar message as Ford, less shenanigans, and his district is pretty much the midpoint between city outer suburbs so he has a good message of being a moderate advocate of both sides. Partial Chinese heritage doesn't hurt either in a Toronto.

The left better pick their main champion - last time the run up to election soured too many people on the remaining candidate.


Champion of the left will be Olivia Chow. If she doesn't run, maybe Soknacki pivots to the left a bit to pick them up, or Councillor Shelley Carroll runs. I'm way on the left, but would be ok with either of them. All the others are way too Conservative for me (and for most of the city, if people knew what those candidates really thought).
 
2014-01-02 10:49:01 AM  

Mikey1969: Egoy3k: Mikey1969: Egoy3k: Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.

You think his behavior is indicative of a problem that extends no farther than his "public image"?

Honestly?  I don't care.

Considering that you are kind of supporting him here, I figured that it would matter... I've seen nothing of his behavior that would indicate anything other than a very unstable person. One I personally wouldn't want to be an elected official in MY city.


No I just said that they could do worse based on the actual governing that he has done.  No more no less.  to be perfectly honest I don't care about municipal or even provincial politics.  The sad reality is that the American presidential elections have more bearing on my prosperity than the provincial elections here in Nova Scotia do.
 
2014-01-02 10:56:07 AM  
In other news, other mayors in Ontario actually have criminal trials scheduled for 2014.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/10/criminal-trial-date-set-for- jo e-fontana-london-ont-mayor-and-former-liberal-mp-accused-of-fraud/

But hey, clearly Ford is the worst mayor in Canada.
 
2014-01-02 10:56:24 AM  

Egoy3k: No I just said that they could do worse based on the actual governing that he has done.  No more no less.  to be perfectly honest I don't care about municipal or even provincial politics.  The sad reality is that the American presidential elections have more bearing on my prosperity than the provincial elections here in Nova Scotia do.


His past governance is different than his recent behavior, that's where I'm going with this... A lot of addicts have a tipping point, where everything suddenly heads off of the rails and never gets back to where it was. IMHO, he reached that point. While he may have been a good Mayor at some point, I'm betting that he will never reach that point again, even if the rest of the people on the planet have their memories wiped, he's done...

Doesn't matter to me either, but I sure as shiat wouldn't vote for someone that unstable.
 
2014-01-02 11:00:23 AM  

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2014-01-02 11:24:20 AM  

Grungehamster: Mikey1969: A poll released last month indicated that despite a year of scandals and apologies, 39 per cent of Torontonians would consider voting for Ford again.

The Ipsos-Reid poll also found that his agenda - a promise to end the gravy train and reduce spending - still resonates among 62 per cent of voters.

Did he at least promise to quit smoking so much crack? Seriously, people, unless this was Jesus Christ risen from the grave, I would say that regardless of his "promises", he is on a very fast downhill slide. I would recommend that you people stay FAR away from him.

He said he talked to "experts" who have assured him he does not have a substance abuse problem. Both his past crack use and his continuing alcohol use to the degree of resulting drunken stupors are in no way signs of addiction and are in no way detrimental to his ability to govern. He's promised to start going to the gym; what else do you people want?


I want a whore in every flophouse and a pot of crack on every stove!
 
2014-01-02 11:25:05 AM  
I love Rob Ford.  He's finally given us Americans a genuine reason to look up north and say "ha!"
 
2014-01-02 11:43:58 AM  
I am not a resident there so I cannot vote, but I hope he wins.  He is far too entertaining to let go.
 
2014-01-02 11:47:01 AM  

van1ty: In other news, other mayors in Ontario actually have criminal trials scheduled for 2014.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/10/criminal-trial-date-set-for- jo e-fontana-london-ont-mayor-and-former-liberal-mp-accused-of-fraud/

But hey, clearly Ford is the worst mayor in Canada.


Are any of the other mayors running for re-election?
 
2014-01-02 12:40:54 PM  
There is a poll on the site of who you would vote for mayor, and 51% have chosen Ford. PLEASE let this be from trolls or pranksters masking their I to vote numerous times.

/CSB: one day at work a co-worker was making fun of ignorant Americans in the South, which we all enjoyed. Then went on about how Ford has saved billions of dollars and is the most honest politician in Canada
//the amount of irony at that moment made me lose a little bit more faith in the human race
 
2014-01-02 12:46:17 PM  

van1ty: In other news, other mayors in Ontario actually have criminal trials scheduled for 2014.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/12/10/criminal-trial-date-set-for- jo e-fontana-london-ont-mayor-and-former-liberal-mp-accused-of-fraud/

But hey, clearly Ford is the worst mayor in Canada.


So because of this, Ford is the greatest mayor in Canada? Got it.

/one of the worst mayors in Canada good enough for you?
 
2014-01-02 12:46:57 PM  
In Louisiana, he would be Governor for Life.
 
2014-01-02 12:49:28 PM  
Look on the bright side, if Ford's health gives out over the next year, Phil Robertson is basically guaranteed to be elected by this city to its highest office.
 
2014-01-02 01:21:15 PM  

airsupport: Remember, folks, he has PLENTY of pussy to eat at home.


First honest politician I've seen in a long time... and below is what "PLENTY of pussy to eat at home " might look like.  I expected much much worse.

storage.canoe.ca
 
2014-01-02 01:33:33 PM  

Zerochance: I love Rob Ford.  He's finally given us Americans a genuine reason to look up north and say "ha!"


And then you look at Congress...

Lower levels of government allow for more crazy. Look a Federal vs State vs Local crazy in the US. Also, we just lag behind, odds are we will get the full derp in the next decade.

It just so happens that this guy is entertaining crazy and makes for good media play.

I wouldn't want him as mayor (and had a good laugh when he was elected), but I would take Ford over the mayor of London and the mess in Quebec (where numerous mayors have been thrown out for corruption including at least one interim mayor brought in to clean up after the elected mayor was thrown out for corruption). And I am sure there are plenty of others that don't make as much news.
 
2014-01-02 01:36:21 PM  
Also, for the hookers, he just has to wait for mid December when current prostitution laws are trashed (Supreme Court issued a 12 month stay for the government to set up new legislation). And I doubt the court is going to let any bans (de facto or de jure) slip through as replacement laws.
 
2014-01-02 02:50:52 PM  
Marion Barry laughs at all of you people.
 
2014-01-02 03:30:09 PM  

Egoy3k: Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.


Really?

He ran on a platform of reducing wasteful spending, then unilaterally cancelled an already-funded and badly needed transit system, incurring $65,000,000 in penalty payments for cancelled contracts.

Sixty-five.  Million.  Dollars.

And the city ends up with nothing to show for it.  How is that not absolutely outrageous?
 
2014-01-02 03:38:53 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: He said he talked to "experts" who have assured him he does not have a substance abuse problem. Both his past crack use and his continuing alcohol use to the degree of resulting drunken stupors are in no way signs of addiction and are in no way detrimental to his ability to govern. He's promised to start going to the gym; what else do you people want?


Hey, we all sometimes do regrettable or silly things when we're in a drunken stupor. Give the guy a break. It's not like he intentionally smoked crack.  He just happened to be getting into a drunken stupor with his friends who are crackheads, and next thing he knew, someone shot a video of him smoking crack. These things happen.

Let those who HAVEN'T run into issues like this when hanging with crackheads while blacked out throw the first stone....
 
2014-01-02 03:47:47 PM  

dywed88: Also, for the hookers, he just has to wait for mid December when current prostitution laws are trashed (Supreme Court issued a 12 month stay for the government to set up new legislation). And I doubt the court is going to let any bans (de facto or de jure) slip through as replacement laws.


I thought it was thrown out, though if they want a new law it has to be in place within the next year?

/though now that I think about it, what you said makes more sense
 
2014-01-02 04:03:09 PM  

THX 1138: Egoy3k: Honestly if you look at his record as a mayor and not a party guest they could do worse. Unfortunately the public image thing is also a major component of his job and his is ruined.

Really?

He ran on a platform of reducing wasteful spending, then unilaterally cancelled an already-funded and badly needed transit system, incurring $65,000,000 in penalty payments for cancelled contracts.

Sixty-five.  Million.  Dollars.

And the city ends up with nothing to show for it.  How is that not absolutely outrageous?


Because freedom.
 
2014-01-02 04:12:32 PM  

Electrify: dywed88: Also, for the hookers, he just has to wait for mid December when current prostitution laws are trashed (Supreme Court issued a 12 month stay for the government to set up new legislation). And I doubt the court is going to let any bans (de facto or de jure) slip through as replacement laws.

I thought it was thrown out, though if they want a new law it has to be in place within the next year?

/though now that I think about it, what you said makes more sense


The idea behind the delay is that the government can implement laws and regulations to govern the industry once it becomes legal.

For example, a big part of the argument for the "living off the avails" part was pimps and exploitation of sex workers. Just tossing the law removes a valid purpose of it. So give the government time for a more refined law to be put in place.

I think there are decent odds that Harper simply tries to pass a "prostitution is illegal" law as a major argument in the case was the unreasonable restrictions on a legal activity. But I expect that any such law gets immediately tossed and he probably recognizes this (and he tries to stay back from social issues, such as downplaying backbench comments on ending abortion, gay marriage, and universal healthcare as poison to his chances in Ontario and the East).
 
2014-01-02 04:17:54 PM  

Electrify: dywed88: Also, for the hookers, he just has to wait for mid December when current prostitution laws are trashed (Supreme Court issued a 12 month stay for the government to set up new legislation). And I doubt the court is going to let any bans (de facto or de jure) slip through as replacement laws.

I thought it was thrown out, though if they want a new law it has to be in place within the next year?

/though now that I think about it, what you said makes more sense


I may have misread your post. The ruling simply tosses the law. But the ruling does not go into effect for 6 months.

However, I doubt you will see much enforcement of a clearly unconstitutional law (clear in the sense that the Supreme Court said so) outside of more extreme situations (such as exploitation). In effect, they will use the laws for their stated purpose of protecting women.
 
2014-01-02 04:19:20 PM  

dywed88: Electrify: dywed88: Also, for the hookers, he just has to wait for mid December when current prostitution laws are trashed (Supreme Court issued a 12 month stay for the government to set up new legislation). And I doubt the court is going to let any bans (de facto or de jure) slip through as replacement laws.

I thought it was thrown out, though if they want a new law it has to be in place within the next year?

/though now that I think about it, what you said makes more sense

I may have misread your post. The ruling simply tosses the law. But the ruling does not go into effect for 6 months.

However, I doubt you will see much enforcement of a clearly unconstitutional law (clear in the sense that the Supreme Court said so) outside of more extreme situations (such as exploitation). In effect, they will use the laws for their stated purpose of protecting women.


I am awful today, 12 months not 6.
 
2014-01-02 08:43:21 PM  
I'm sure he has a crack team working on his campaign.
 
2014-01-02 09:07:47 PM  

dywed88: Also, for the hookers, he just has to wait for mid December when current prostitution laws are trashed (Supreme Court issued a 12 month stay for the government to set up new legislation). And I doubt the court is going to let any bans (de facto or de jure) slip through as replacement laws.


Canada is full of legal brothels already despite what you hear from numbskulls thinking we have similar prostitution laws as the US.
 
2014-01-02 10:56:20 PM  

Russ1642: Canada is full of legal brothels already despite what you hear from numbskulls thinking we have similar prostitution laws as the US.


Virtually no prostitution in Canada is legal (although prostitution itself has never technically been illegal in Canada). Brothels are specifically 100% illegal and were a major point of contention in the recent lawsuit as completely destroying the argument that the laws were about safety.

The three main points that were recently ruled unconstitutional and will be struck down as of December 12, 2014 are (all quotes from the Criminal Code of Canada):

1) Section 210, which serves to make brothels illegal:

Keeping common bawdy-house
210. (1) Every one who keeps a common bawdy-house is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
Marginal note:Landlord, inmate, etc.
(2) Every one who
(a) is an inmate of a common bawdy-house,
(b) is found, without lawful excuse, in a common bawdy-house, or
(c) as owner, landlord, lessor, tenant, occupier, agent or otherwise having charge or control of any place, knowingly permits the place or any part thereof to be let or used for the purposes of a common bawdy-house,
is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.


From definitions in Section 197:

"common bawdy-house" means a place that is
(a) kept or occupied, or
(b) resorted to by one or more persons
for the purpose of prostitution or the practice of acts of indecency;


2) Section 213 makes solicitation illegal (note (c) basically makes the rest redundant) makes street prostitution illegal.


213. (1) Every person who in a public place or in any place open to public view
(a) stops or attempts to stop any motor vehicle,
(b) impedes the free flow of pedestrian or vehicular traffic or ingress to or egress from premises adjacent to that place, or
(c) stops or attempts to stop any person or in any manner communicates or attempts to communicate with any person
for the purpose of engaging in prostitution or of obtaining the sexual services of a prostitute is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Marginal note:Definition of "public place"
(2) In this section, "public place" includes any place to which the public have access as of right or by invitation, express or implied, and any motor vehicle located in a public place or in any place open to public view.


3) Section 212 procuring and living off the avails essentially makes a prostitution business that somehow survives the above two impossible to legally run as a prostitute cannot have a boss or any employees or a family that makes use of the prostitute's earnings.

212. (1) Every one who
(a) procures, attempts to procure or solicits a person to have illicit sexual intercourse with another person, whether in or out of Canada,
(h) for the purposes of gain, exercises control, direction or influence over the movements of a person in such manner as to show that he is aiding, abetting or compelling that person to engage in or carry on prostitution with any person or generally,
(j) lives wholly or in part on the avails of prostitution of another person,
is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.

Presumption
(3) Evidence that a person lives with or is habitually in the company of a prostitute or lives in a common bawdy-house is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, proof that the person lives on the avails of prostitution, for the purposes of paragraph (1)(j) and subsections (2) and (2.1).



In many places the prostitution laws may not be heavily enforced, but courts have agreed that the laws make prostitution de facto illegal
 
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