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(Politico)   And here comes Jesus H. Christ with the bodyslam to the Fiscal Conservative. BOOM SHAKALAKA. That son of God sure is a son of a-OOOOHH he does an airstrike to the babymaker   (politico.com) divider line 76
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2014-01-02 10:06:29 AM
so it looks like that GOP Civil war is on for 2014.   I'm betting it carries over in to '16 as well.
 
2014-01-02 10:21:47 AM
a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

If you're a wagering sort, the opening over-under is 17 on the number of conference attendees caught with French hookers that weekend.
 
2014-01-02 10:27:32 AM
Well it looks like we do have more than two parties now.  Two parties square off to have people decide between the Randian free market douchebag or the religious theocrat nutjob to see who goes to the main event and squares off against the center-right "liberal socialist".  mmmmm Can't wait.
 
2014-01-02 10:29:59 AM

Gulper Eel: a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

If you're a wagering sort, the opening over-under is 17 on the number of conference attendees caught with French hookers that weekend.


What is the over-under for same sex hookers?
 
2014-01-02 10:30:20 AM

blastoh: so it looks like that GOP Civil war is on for 2014.   I'm betting it carries over in to '16 as well.



It will be more of a clusterfark than a war.
 
2014-01-02 10:30:55 AM

gunslinger_RG: What is the over-under for same sex hookers?


most prefer being over. Being under leaves them feeling vulnerable
 
2014-01-02 10:46:21 AM

somedude210: gunslinger_RG: What is the over-under for same sex hookers?

most prefer being over. Being under leaves them feeling vulnerable


And that one is outta here!! Nicely done!
 
2014-01-02 10:46:48 AM
FTFA:

It's all geared toward elevating the place of social issues like abortion and gay marriage in conservative politics. They've been largely relegated to the sidelines as the business wing of the GOP establishment wages a bitter and expensive struggle against the tea party for the soul of the Republican Party.

usedbooksblog.com
 
2014-01-02 10:47:10 AM
The religious right has little to do with Jesus. You could paste any name into the social conservative messages of "X wants my personal preferences about how to live my life be mandated into law for everyone" or "X demands you vote the way I want you to" or "X wants you to donate profusely to my religious organization but not look at the books" and it would not change a bit. Totalitarian assholes are assholes regardless of faith.
 
2014-01-02 10:48:13 AM
So apparently the solution to being far too exclusionary is to be even more exclusionary. Who knew?
 
2014-01-02 10:48:39 AM
officemeetingfail.com

Let me know how that pro-rape, racist, xenophobic, far-right-religious-whackjob platform you're spending so much to fight for works out for you at the polls, morons.

The only reason any of these idiots even get elected now is that they've gerrymandered the country to create contiguous blocks of like-minded jackasses in the south and midwest. But there's only so many of them, so that can only take you so far.
 
2014-01-02 10:49:22 AM
HAHAHAHAHA!  Because that's worked so well for them in recent years.  "The year of the religious conservative"....How about we just call it the "Year of GOP loss" and save ourselves the trouble.
 
2014-01-02 10:49:36 AM

gunslinger_RG: Gulper Eel: a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

If you're a wagering sort, the opening over-under is 17 on the number of conference attendees caught with French hookers that weekend.

What is the over-under for same sex hookers?


15.

And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt.
 
2014-01-02 10:52:44 AM
FTA: holding a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

Because trying to ban abortions, birth control, gay marriage and porn, while denying evolution is real is just like landing on the beaches of Normandy back in '44.
 
2014-01-02 10:53:56 AM

give me doughnuts: gunslinger_RG: Gulper Eel: a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

If you're a wagering sort, the opening over-under is 17 on the number of conference attendees caught with French hookers that weekend.

What is the over-under for same sex hookers?

15.

And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt.


Put me down for a Benjiman,  because that pays all day!
 
2014-01-02 10:54:37 AM
FTFA: munched on a lunch spread featuring soups, salads, and roast turkey sliders with brie, arugula, vine-ripened tomatoes and spicy mustard on pretzel roll buns.

False flag operation, clearly liberal plants. No true conservative eats such things.
 
2014-01-02 10:55:00 AM

LectertheChef: FTA: holding a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion.

Because trying to ban abortions, birth control, gay marriage and porn, while denying evolution is real is just like landing on the beaches of Normandy back in '44.


Well when you say it like that it just sounds silly.
 
2014-01-02 10:57:50 AM
Can you imagine what Citizen's United is going to leave our political process looking like in 10, 20 years down the road? Good grief.
 
2014-01-02 10:57:54 AM
For all the jokes about circular firing squads, the GOP is planning a real life triangular one, though I'm betting most of the Tea Party and religious right's guns will be pointing in the same direction.  It's an isosceles triangular firing squad.
 
2014-01-02 11:02:15 AM

LectertheChef: Because trying to ban abortions, birth control, gay marriage and porn, while denying evolution is real is just like landing on the beaches of Normandy back in '44.


Hell, why not? It's about as relevant as the "christian" views that lie at the heart of the whole thing in the first place. They're basically spending a huge amount of money to try and gain control of the government so they can use legislation - enforced by its guns - to hurt people they hate.

I can't think of too many motivations farther from the theoretical behavior expected of Christians than what these idiots are doing.
Because what would Jesus want more than dodging your taxes, telling poor, sick people to shut up and go die of preventable illness in a gutter somewhere, rape and gay-bashing, right?
 
2014-01-02 11:02:35 AM

skozlaw: The only reason any of these idiots even get elected now is that they've gerrymandered the country to create contiguous blocks of like-minded jackasses in the south and midwest.


Not that I dig the jesusbots, but did it ever occur to you that when districts are gerrymandered, the areas left behind are also gerrymandered the opposite way?

That means the greater Houston area gets to have intellectual midgets Steve Stockman AND Sheila Jackson Lee lurking about, and most of the rest of the delegation are reliably hard-left or hard-right and just as stupid as Steve and Sheila, albeit less obvious about broadcasting it to the nation.

Gerrymandering is incumbent protection first and foremost.
 
2014-01-02 11:05:34 AM
a donor conference in Normandy, France, tied to the 70th anniversary of the D-Day invasion

Some of their younger donors were merely teenagers back then.
 
2014-01-02 11:06:13 AM
Awesome. We need a repeat of the 1996 Convention when religious nutbars were front and center at the podium. The next batch will make Pat Buchanan look moderate. They should get Phil Robertson for the lulz.
 
2014-01-02 11:08:55 AM

skozlaw: [officemeetingfail.com image 436x234]

Let me know how that pro-rape, racist, xenophobic, far-right-religious-whackjob platform you're spending so much to fight for works out for you at the polls, morons.

The only reason any of these idiots even get elected now is that they've gerrymandered the country to create contiguous blocks of like-minded jackasses in the south and midwest. But there's only so many of them, so that can only take you so far.


stuffmysisterswilllike.files.wordpress.com

New applications of geometric science are being developed as we speak.
 
2014-01-02 11:09:34 AM
Gulper Eel:
Not that I dig the jesusbots, but did it ever occur to you that when districts are gerrymandered, the areas left behind are also gerrymandered the opposite way?

Gerrymandering does not work that way.

www.electoral-vote.com
 
2014-01-02 11:13:12 AM

skozlaw: Hell, why not? It's about as relevant as the "christian" views that lie at the heart of the whole thing in the first place. They're basically spending a huge amount of money to try and gain control of the government so they can use legislation - enforced by its guns - to hurt people they hate.

I can't think of too many motivations farther from the theoretical behavior expected of Christians than what these idiots are doing. Because what would Jesus want more than dodging your taxes, telling poor, sick people to shut up and go die of preventable illness in a gutter somewhere, rape and gay-bashing, right?


It's more cynical than just pandering to the religious. These groups know all along that they don't have the votes for what they supposedly want. In those rare instances when they do have the votes in a state legislature here or there, they know their measures will be subject to injunction before the ink's dry, then litigated for ages before being tossed out, at which point they start the legislative process over again. The result doesn't matter. Keeping the argument bubbling in the news and keeping the money coming in is what matters. Making sure the lawyers, talk show hosts and PR people get paid is what matters. They figured, rightly enough, why let the televangelists corner the market on conning religious people out of their money?

But it takes two to tango, and thus we have the ThinkProgresses and Centers for American Progress et. al. who exist in a symbiotic fundraising relationship with the right-wing crazies.

Nice work if you can get it.
 
2014-01-02 11:28:08 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: Gulper Eel:
Not that I dig the jesusbots, but did it ever occur to you that when districts are gerrymandered, the areas left behind are also gerrymandered the opposite way?

Gerrymandering does not work that way.

[www.electoral-vote.com image 850x466]


True, but the net result is the same. One party is going to have a lock on most districts - so the only way to get rid of idiot incumbents (from BOTH parties) is to primary them. Since incumbents have all of the money AND the political structure in their favor it is very difficult to dislodge them.

Gerrymandering just allows one party to claim more representation than a popular vote would provide. For example - in the US House there were millions of votes more for Democratic candidates, but they still don't control the House.
 
2014-01-02 11:29:14 AM

Gulper Eel: skozlaw: Hell, why not? It's about as relevant as the "christian" views that lie at the heart of the whole thing in the first place. They're basically spending a huge amount of money to try and gain control of the government so they can use legislation - enforced by its guns - to hurt people they hate.

I can't think of too many motivations farther from the theoretical behavior expected of Christians than what these idiots are doing. Because what would Jesus want more than dodging your taxes, telling poor, sick people to shut up and go die of preventable illness in a gutter somewhere, rape and gay-bashing, right?

It's more cynical than just pandering to the religious. These groups know all along that they don't have the votes for what they supposedly want. In those rare instances when they do have the votes in a state legislature here or there, they know their measures will be subject to injunction before the ink's dry, then litigated for ages before being tossed out, at which point they start the legislative process over again. The result doesn't matter. Keeping the argument bubbling in the news and keeping the money coming in is what matters. Making sure the lawyers, talk show hosts and PR people get paid is what matters. They figured, rightly enough, why let the televangelists corner the market on conning religious people out of their money?

But it takes two to tango, and thus we have the ThinkProgresses and Centers for American Progress et. al. who exist in a symbiotic fundraising relationship with the right-wing crazies.

Nice work if you can get it.


THIS.  Over the years my email address has wound up on many lists on both sides, and the key distinction between what I get from the left and the right is that the left usually asks me to vote, or call, or show up, and sometimes for money.  The right always asks for the money, first, and then to vote, call, or show up if I am so inclined...
 
2014-01-02 11:29:39 AM

toomuchwhargarbl: Gerrymandering does not work that way.


The formulae used now to warp district lines are far more sophisticated than your diagram would indicate. There aren't a whole lot of congressional races won by a 60-40 margin in gerrymandered states, and when they're even that close it's because there are usually two well-known candidates going up against each other, or because there's a first-time winner involved.

Get a term or two under your belt and you usually win in a walkover. In Texas, if my math is right I counted 23 out of 36 winners who pulled at least 63% last fall, and most of them cleared 70% easily.
 
2014-01-02 11:37:45 AM
Would someone tell these dickheads that the salad days of the Moral majority are long gone? No one but a handful of asshats wants to live in some Handmaid's Tale dictatorship (and those handful are for it mainly because they want to be the ones in charge).
 
2014-01-02 11:39:05 AM
Gulper Eel:

Gerrymandering is incumbent  party protection first and foremost.

FTFM
 
2014-01-02 11:39:16 AM
So is this more "We're not being conservative enough" crap? Oi, it gets old.
 
2014-01-02 11:41:22 AM
Normandy.  Boy would I love to be a fly on the wall when the teabaggers get there and find out it's not Honoring America 24/7 Land.

You might want to mock up a faux Normandy, say in Georgia, with amusement rides and country music venues and casinos ("Play our American Exceptionalism Slots!") and all-you-can-eat buffets and cooling troughs that can fit six hoverrounds.  And tell your ambulance drivers to start doing some weight training.
 
2014-01-02 11:41:32 AM

capn' fun: THIS.  Over the years my email address has wound up on many lists on both sides, and the key distinction between what I get from the left and the right is that the left usually asks me to vote, or call, or show up, and sometimes for money.  The right always asks for the money, first, and then to vote, call, or show up if I am so inclined...


I also get about 8 right wing emails for every 1 left wing one.
 
2014-01-02 11:42:10 AM

Gulper Eel: Get a term or two under your belt and you usually win in a walkover. In Texas, if my math is right I counted 23 out of 36 winners who pulled at least 63% last fall, and most of them cleared 70% easily.


Our results in California have been very different to Texas' now that we got rid of gerrymandered districts: "The new districts are described as more "purple" than "red" or "blue" - that is, more mixed in electoral composition compared to the mostly "safe" districts of the previous decade, where incumbents were almost guaranteed re-election." It's probably too early to tell how safe incumbents are, but short of "proportional representation", it's probably as good a system as we are likely to get.
 
2014-01-02 11:42:46 AM

A Cave Geek: HAHAHAHAHA!  Because that's worked so well for them in recent years.  "The year of the religious conservative"....How about we just call it the "Year of GOP loss" and save ourselves the trouble.


But I was told that 2010 was a sea change in this country that would usher in a new reich of conservatism.
 
2014-01-02 11:42:49 AM

Gulper Eel: toomuchwhargarbl: Gerrymandering does not work that way.

The formulae used now to warp district lines are far more sophisticated than your diagram would indicate. There aren't a whole lot of congressional races won by a 60-40 margin in gerrymandered states, and when they're even that close it's because there are usually two well-known candidates going up against each other, or because there's a first-time winner involved.

Get a term or two under your belt and you usually win in a walkover. In Texas, if my math is right I counted 23 out of 36 winners who pulled at least 63% last fall, and most of them cleared 70% easily.


That chart is fairly representative of Virginia's gerrymandering.
 
2014-01-02 11:44:38 AM

mrshowrules: New applications of geometric science are being developed as we speak.


Ahhh, the good ole' IL 4th. The Mona Lisa of political disenfranchisement.

I love to call out conservatives as entitled whiners on a wide range of issues, but when they complain about being screwed out of the political processes here in IL they have a hellova point. Single party politics have driven this state right into the ground.
 
2014-01-02 11:47:05 AM

CheapEngineer: It's all geared toward elevating the place of social issues like abortion and gay marriage in conservative politics. They've been largely relegated to the sidelines as the business wing of the GOP establishment wages a bitter and expensive struggle against the tea party for the soul of the Republican Party.


In a sense, they've shifted from "MAKE IT ALL ILLEGAL" to "Well, maybe if we just make it really difficult, THOSE people will just leave. Or become one of us (gooble gobble)."

So "MAKE IT ALL ILLEGAL" is a philosophy they've relegated to the sidelines, and that's what the Old Guard/Money want back, apparently.

// I though richers were supposed to be good decision-makers
 
2014-01-02 11:49:52 AM

Stone Meadow: Our results in California have been very different to Texas' now that we got rid of gerrymandered districts: "The new districts are described as more "purple" than "red" or "blue" - that is, more mixed in electoral composition compared to the mostly "safe" districts of the previous decade, where incumbents were almost guaranteed re-election." It's probably too early to tell how safe incumbents are, but short of "proportional representation", it's probably as good a system as we are likely to get.


Forgot source of quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California's_congressional_districts
 
2014-01-02 11:51:30 AM

skozlaw: [officemeetingfail.com image 436x234]

Let me know how that pro-rape, racist, xenophobic, far-right-religious-whackjob platform you're spending so much to fight for works out for you at the polls, morons.

The only reason any of these idiots even get elected now is that they've gerrymandered the country to create contiguous blocks of like-minded jackasses in the south and midwest. But there's only so many of them, so that can only take you so far.


That's the opposite of how gerrymandering works. The Republicans want many districts with Republican majorities and few districts with Democratic majorities, so they need to spread the jackasses out. Ideally, gerrymandering produces districts of 50% + 1 jackass - in other words the slimmest majority possible. That's why it is risky and can backfire eventually.
 
2014-01-02 11:52:51 AM

skozlaw: [officemeetingfail.com image 436x234]

Let me know how that pro-rape, racist, xenophobic, far-right-religious-whackjob platform you're spending so much to fight for works out for you at the polls, morons.

The only reason any of these idiots even get elected now is that they've gerrymandered the country to create contiguous blocks of like-minded jackasses in the south and midwest. But there's only so many of them, so that can only take you so far.


Actually, it's mostly simply that anyone with any talent and brains leaves flyover country the second they turn 18, leaving flyover country populated by old, stupid, racist failures.
 
2014-01-02 11:57:24 AM

somedude210: gunslinger_RG: What is the over-under for same sex hookers?

most prefer being over. Being under leaves them feeling vulnerable


But reach-arounds are more likely in that position
 
2014-01-02 12:08:54 PM

Dammit-Hi: Single party politics have driven this state right into the ground.


As another greenlit article points out, Pat Quinn is in a very tough re-election race.
 
2014-01-02 12:09:32 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Actually, it's mostly simply that anyone with any talent and brains leaves flyover country the second they turn 18, leaving flyover country populated by old, stupid, racist failures.


True, but the "why" is important. The AF stationed me in flyover country a couple of times, which gave me the opportunity to observe its depopulation first hand. Short version? Agribusiness consolidation has decimated the farming population, which leads to loss of jobs in nearby towns, which leads to the young having to leave their homes for the cities, which are inundated with young jobseekers, and...voila...people end up on the coasts and in the megatropoli. There is no mystery here.
 
2014-01-02 12:14:37 PM

Stone Meadow: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Actually, it's mostly simply that anyone with any talent and brains leaves flyover country the second they turn 18, leaving flyover country populated by old, stupid, racist failures.

True, but the "why" is important. The AF stationed me in flyover country a couple of times, which gave me the opportunity to observe its depopulation first hand. Short version? Agribusiness consolidation has decimated the farming population, which leads to loss of jobs in nearby towns, which leads to the young having to leave their homes for the cities, which are inundated with young jobseekers, and...voila...people end up on the coasts and in the megatropoli. There is no mystery here.


Perhaps it's worth asking then:  Why are all the jobs in densely populated "liberal" areas?
 
2014-01-02 12:23:07 PM
You know, Citizen's United might be a blessing in disguise if they blow their millions whacking each other's knees.
 
2014-01-02 12:47:40 PM

itcamefromschenectady: ...so they need to spread the jackasses out. Ideally, gerrymandering produces districts of 50% + 1 jackass - in other words the slimmest majority possible. That's why it is risky and can backfire eventually.


That's the point: they can't do that. There aren't enough jackasses to make it work as a viable alternative to legitimately winning elections. All they can do is stretch it as far as possible and get enough people like Cruz in there to mess things up for everyone else. But that will only work until the "everyone else's" of Congress finally have enough of their shiat and change the rules so that the tiny minority can't ruin everything for everyone else anymore.

There's nowhere for these idiots to go in the long term. They're such utter crackpots that they'll never sway enough people to win legitimately so all they can do is blow their money on this retarded little game of incest they've got going on within the party.

Mentat: You know, Citizen's United might be a blessing in disguise if they blow their millions whacking each other's knees.


Maybe, but I'd feel a lot better if these screwballs went away because the electorate wised up, not just because they kneecapped each other's political careers.
 
2014-01-02 12:51:13 PM
FTFA:"On a recent snowy day in the Washington suburb of Tyson's Corner, Va., some of the religious right's wealthiest backers and top operatives gathered at the Ritz-Carlton to plot their entry into the conservative civil war."

In other words, ground zero where three tea-bagger candidates got swept (in direct proportion to wingnutery). Even the Democrat running for Attorney General managed to squeak in a win (Difficulty: blare gun control adds constantly. In Virginia. Yes, he still won.).
 
2014-01-02 12:51:20 PM

skozlaw: I'd feel a lot better if these screwballs went away because the electorate wised up, not just because they kneecapped each other's political careers.


There is plenty of sign that the broader electorate is wising up (witness the backlash against the shutdown), but nothing is going to sway the true-believing GOP core. Hence the shiat-fight. In the meantime Independents and Democrats recoil in horror.
 
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