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(Slate)   Remember how "certain people" were all predicting that the Boy Scouts allowing openly gay boys to join would lead to a mass exodus, pandemonium, and an end to scouting as we know it? Well, guess what   (slate.com) divider line 260
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2014-01-01 06:33:12 PM  
Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?
 
2014-01-01 06:40:13 PM  

fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?


Can't have them homogays recruiting our youth.
 
2014-01-01 06:43:51 PM  
Chicken butt?
 
2014-01-01 06:46:59 PM  

fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?


Maybe "ejected" is a euphemism, since they'll be legal?
 
2014-01-01 06:49:31 PM  

fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?


It was phrased somewhat ambiguously, but all scouts are 'ejected' when they turn 18, gay or not.  The difference being is that non-gay scouts can then continue on as scoutmasters, but the gay ones apparently still aren't allowed in leadership rules.

As far as being a 'boy scout' goes though, the 18 rule applies to gay and straight alike.
 
2014-01-01 06:57:25 PM  
I think it was just misunderstanding of the term "scout's end"
 
2014-01-01 07:13:45 PM  
Proving once again that it's a lot easier to be outraged about something than it is to actually do something about it.
 
2014-01-01 07:26:29 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?

It was phrased somewhat ambiguously, but all scouts are 'ejected' when they turn 18, gay or not.  The difference being is that non-gay scouts can then continue on as scoutmasters, but the gay ones apparently still aren't allowed in leadership rules.

As far as being a 'boy scout' goes though, the 18 rule applies to gay and straight alike.


Incendiary comment is incendiary.
 
2014-01-01 07:32:28 PM  
Yeah, those kinds of threats are always bullshiat - especially from religious groups.

"Oh, yeah - it's a violation of our faith!  God wouldn't want us to stay!  We'll leave if you do it!"
"Well... Bye."
"We mean it!"
"Sure.  Go ahead."
"It's ungodly, we tell you!  We'll leave!  We will!"
"Maybe that's best."

...

"So, we did this thing.  You're going, right? Because of the ungodliness and whatnot?"
"Ummm... yeah.... What we meant by that was...  Y'know, we never said we'd leave leave.  I mean, you're misinterpreting us."

Happens every time.
 
2014-01-01 07:38:55 PM  
Brad Haddock, a national board member from Wichita, Kansas likened the warnings to the Y2K scare.

I really hate it when people do that.  Y2K was a big problem looming over us that didn't blow up in our face because diligent people worked hard to prevent it from doing so.  Treating it as an example of people getting upset over a non-issue is disingenuous and insulting to the people who devoted so much time to making it a non-issue.
 
2014-01-01 07:46:42 PM  

serial_crusher: Brad Haddock, a national board member from Wichita, Kansas likened the warnings to the Y2K scare.

I really hate it when people do that.  Y2K was a big problem looming over us that didn't blow up in our face because diligent people worked hard to prevent it from doing so.  Treating it as an example of people getting upset over a non-issue is disingenuous and insulting to the people who devoted so much time to making it a non-issue.


And then their employers laid them off because all they knew was Cobol.
 
2014-01-01 07:49:17 PM  

fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?


They become Weblows?
 
2014-01-01 07:50:09 PM  
Brad Haddock, a national board member from Wichita, Kansas likened the warnings to the Y2K scare.

Sounds fishy to me.
 
2014-01-01 07:56:12 PM  
They fixed the cable?
 
2014-01-01 07:58:49 PM  

serial_crusher: Brad Haddock, a national board member from Wichita, Kansas likened the warnings to the Y2K scare.

I really hate it when people do that.  Y2K was a big problem looming over us that didn't blow up in our face because diligent people worked hard to prevent it from doing so.  Treating it as an example of people getting upset over a non-issue is disingenuous and insulting to the people who devoted so much time to making it a non-issue.


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2014-01-01 07:59:45 PM  
l.yimg.com
 
2014-01-01 08:01:31 PM  

MagSeven: fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?

They become Weblows?


Well played. I bet Bear was your favorite level.
 
2014-01-01 08:02:57 PM  
They --

Mugato: They fixed the cable?


Dammit.
 
2014-01-01 08:07:38 PM  

serial_crusher: Brad Haddock, a national board member from Wichita, Kansas likened the warnings to the Y2K scare.

I really hate it when people do that.  Y2K was a big problem looming over us that didn't blow up in our face because diligent people worked hard to prevent it from doing so.  Treating it as an example of people getting upset over a non-issue is disingenuous and insulting to the people who devoted so much time to making it a non-issue.


Which will make 2038 so much more fun when people go "Oh it's just a non-issue like Y2K"
 
IP
2014-01-01 08:08:01 PM  

MagSeven: fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18 What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18? They become Weblows?

*snert*
 
2014-01-01 08:08:47 PM  
I honestly didn't know they banned gay scouts, I was a boy scout and we had a gay scout leader. No parents complained that summer, maybe its something in the Florida water?

/I was hoping for fun things like going out in the woods to camp, but no we spent our time properly answering the telephone, or greet people in person, lame ass badges
 
2014-01-01 08:20:46 PM  
The two most annoying groups in scouting are the people that biatch about how unmoral it is to allow gays and atheists and the people that think everyone related to scouting is a hate-filled pedophile appeaser. I honestly can't decide whom I hate more.
 
2014-01-01 08:42:59 PM  
Well in all fairness, it's been less than a day, and today is a holiday.  Maybe the outrage is waiting for offices to open back up.
 
2014-01-01 08:58:54 PM  

Lsherm: Well in all fairness, it's been less than a day, and today is a holiday.  Maybe the outrage is waiting for offices to open back up.


Nope.  The BSA membership has known since May.  Most of those quitting in our council have already done so.  It was low double-digits.

Chicken sh*t bigots, all of them.
 
2014-01-01 08:58:59 PM  
You can really only threaten the end of the world so many times before people realize you're full of shiat.
 
2014-01-01 09:00:05 PM  

MagSeven: fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?

They become Weblows?


+1
 
2014-01-01 09:00:37 PM  

WTF Indeed: The two most annoying groups in scouting are the people that biatch about how unmoral it is to allow gays and atheists and the people that think everyone related to scouting is a hate-filled pedophile appeaser. I honestly can't decide whom I hate more.


Group #3:  The imbeciles within Scouting who cite nothing in particular that gays are more likely to be pedophiles.
 
2014-01-01 09:01:49 PM  
Scouting was and still is the gayest thing I've ever been a part of.
It was...pretty gay.
NTTAWWT
 
2014-01-01 09:04:30 PM  

Misconduc: I honestly didn't know they banned gay scouts, I was a boy scout and we had a gay scout leader. No parents complained that summer, maybe its something in the Florida water?

/I was hoping for fun things like going out in the woods to camp, but no we spent our time properly answering the telephone, or greet people in person, lame ass badges


A brief history of gay in Scouting:

It was a non-issue, an unspoken unwritten DADT policy in Scouting.

Several scouts / leaders got tossed by their units, lawsuits ensued, policies on a national level were enacted, gays were purged.

2013:  This is reversed for Scouts, but not for Scouters (18+).

201X:  The dominoes will have all fallen.  How you can be skippy at 17 years and 364 days and sh*tty at 17 years and 365 days is gonna raise some eyebrows in the courts.
 
2014-01-01 09:06:17 PM  
Ftfa: Joey Kiker, spokesman for the Greater Alabama Council in Birmingham, told a local newspaper, that while a few churches that sponsored Scout units have left, "every single unit that lost a charter partner, within an hour, had a new charter partner."

As a general rule, I assume the worst of society in the US. But every once in a while they surprise me.
 
2014-01-01 09:06:22 PM  

dstrick44: Scouting was and still is the gayest thing I've ever been a part of.
It was...pretty gay.
NTTAWWT


Yes, because when I think of backpacking, pioneering, SCUBA, mountain-climbing, rappelling, white water rafting, kayaking, sailing, canoeing and camping, I immediately think gay.
 
2014-01-01 09:09:40 PM  
Most people, not in the media, don't really care one way or the other.
 
2014-01-01 09:16:17 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Most people, not in the media, don't really care one way or the other.


Most people, 55%, don't, correct.

But of the actual BSA membership, that isn't necessarily the case.  I am in a suburban council in the North that was split nearly 50 / 50 on the proposed membership change to allow all gays in Scouting (including adults).  When the proposal changed to just gay youth, it was more like 66% were in favor.  Now, you translate that to a rural Southern council, and it doesn't become a majority at all.  And the largest BSA region in terms of membership is in the South.  Almost all the Southern councils were in favor of keeping the status quo.

So again, while most people (by a not great margin) don't care, the actual membership that determines the membership standards, does.
 
2014-01-01 09:16:54 PM  

coeyagi: dstrick44: Scouting was and still is the gayest thing I've ever been a part of.
It was...pretty gay.
NTTAWWT

Yes, because when I think of backpacking, pioneering, SCUBA, mountain-climbing, rappelling, white water rafting, kayaking, sailing, canoeing and camping, I immediately think gay.


i.dailymail.co.uk

Why, you can do all those things in THE NAVY
 
2014-01-01 09:20:59 PM  

coeyagi: dstrick44: Scouting was and still is the gayest thing I've ever been a part of.
It was...pretty gay.
NTTAWWT

Yes, because when I think of backpacking, pioneering, SCUBA, mountain-climbing, rappelling, white water rafting, kayaking, sailing, canoeing and camping, I immediately think gay.


Anything sufficientially manly can sail very close to gaytacular.
 
2014-01-01 09:23:10 PM  

Bonzo_1116: coeyagi: dstrick44: Scouting was and still is the gayest thing I've ever been a part of.
It was...pretty gay.
NTTAWWT

Yes, because when I think of backpacking, pioneering, SCUBA, mountain-climbing, rappelling, white water rafting, kayaking, sailing, canoeing and camping, I immediately think gay.

Anything sufficientially manly can sail very close to gaytacular.


True, but do you think wearing drab khaki-colored shirts with green shorts and green socks cuts the mustard in GayLand?
 
2014-01-01 09:25:17 PM  
The only change that will take place is they now offer a merit badge in decorating things.
 
2014-01-01 09:26:28 PM  
quite yet, YET!
 
2014-01-01 09:29:16 PM  

HooskerDoo: The only change that will take place is they now offer a merit badge in decorating things.


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Fabulousness MB
 
2014-01-01 09:30:14 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?

It was phrased somewhat ambiguously, but all scouts are 'ejected' when they turn 18, gay or not.  The difference being is that non-gay scouts can then continue on as scoutmasters, but the gay ones apparently still aren't allowed in leadership rules.

As far as being a 'boy scout' goes though, the 18 rule applies to gay and straight alike.


I'm guessing that, as a larger percentage of openly gay scouts, and especially Eagle scouts, reach that dreaded tipping point, the BSA is quietly going to rescind that policy. It's going to be extremely difficult to explain why one kid can stay on as a scoutmaster after 10 years of winning merit badges, being a troop leader, being a counselor and getting his Eagle; and another boy can't despite equal credentials; and especially after they hit 18. Yes, BSA is a private organization, but even private organizations that are open to the public have to abide by the 14th Amd. in terms of due process; so this could be the wedge that drives them open.
 
2014-01-01 09:35:28 PM  

dj_bigbird: fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?

Can't have them homogays recruiting our youth.


Did you try the Pots. Smokin the pots turns you Homogay.
 
2014-01-01 09:42:35 PM  
A troop in a Seattle suburb voted to leave in December, saying:

"When his troop goes camping, he said, boys' and girls' tents are set up a short distance apart. For them, he said, doing something similar with openly gay scouts would be "too weird."

"Our kids said the idea creeped them out," he said. "We feel we have to obey God rather than people. We always have to be faithful to what God calls us to do."


Yeah, I don't get it either. In any case wellbye.jpg
 
2014-01-01 09:43:21 PM  
Every time there is change, the same people on the religious right make the same absurd claims about it being the end of the world, about mass chaos, blah blah blah.

And farking idiots I know repeat them as if they were gospel.

Then they don't come true.

And I ask these people what the Bible says about people who bear false witness, who make false predictions in God's name.

Instead of going "Oh shiat, you're right.  These people are false prophets, liars and slanderers.  I should stop believing them.", they walk away muttering and angry at me for pointing it out.

And then believe the next batch of slanderous lies as if it came from Jesus' mouth.
 
2014-01-01 09:44:38 PM  

coeyagi: dstrick44: Scouting was and still is the gayest thing I've ever been a part of.
It was...pretty gay.
NTTAWWT

Yes, because when I think of backpacking, pioneering, SCUBA, mountain-climbing, rappelling, white water rafting, kayaking, sailing, canoeing and camping, I immediately think gay.


Want to go camping this weekend?
 
2014-01-01 09:51:56 PM  
So, the angry loudmouthed bigots decided to stay?

This is supposed to be good?  Wouldn't everyone have been better off if they'd just left?  And maybe threw themselves off the nearest bridge or tall building?

The kids can stay, they're probably still young enough to be saved from growing up to be douchebags like their parents.
 
2014-01-01 09:55:56 PM  

fusillade762: Despite the welcome change in rules, all openly gay scouts will still be ejected once they turn 18

What sort of sorcery occurs with gays when they turn 18?


All scouts, period, are ejected when they turn 18.  That's why it's called the "Boy" scouts and not the adult scouts.

So... I assume the quoted bit is trolling/sarcasm of some kind.
 
2014-01-01 09:57:01 PM  
Just remembered my eagle sash w/  30 merit badges in my foot locker has a silver quarter sewn behind each badge.
/old
//wealthy
///eating steak
 
2014-01-01 09:57:19 PM  
Hypocrites:  They can change their rationalizations, but not their behaviors.  That will serve them so well when they're up against the wall; they can simply wish the bullets out of existence.
 
2014-01-01 09:59:09 PM  

m3000: serial_crusher: Brad Haddock, a national board member from Wichita, Kansas likened the warnings to the Y2K scare.

I really hate it when people do that.  Y2K was a big problem looming over us that didn't blow up in our face because diligent people worked hard to prevent it from doing so.  Treating it as an example of people getting upset over a non-issue is disingenuous and insulting to the people who devoted so much time to making it a non-issue.

Which will make 2038 so much more fun when people go "Oh it's just a non-issue like Y2K"


...How, exactly, is there  ANOTHER Y2K coding issue? In  2038? Were the people fixing this just farking  retarded, or is it truly  that hard to write a code that can come up with a calendar that understands more than one decade into the future?
 
2014-01-01 09:59:56 PM  
 I don't have kids but if I had a son who wanted to get involved in scouting I would totally support him and just explain to him they are misguided as to lgbt folk but, like many other institutions in our country, they are coming around and maybe he could even be a part of that during hos time in couts.

I personally never made it past cub scouts because i was in a lame den with crappy leadership, but as an adult I know several eagle scouts who consider their experience to be unqualifiedly positive. I don't think I would deny that opportunity to my son over some doctrinal bullsh*t.
 
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