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(CNN)   Ariel Sharon's condition takes a turn for the worst. In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive   (cnn.com) divider line 17
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2014-01-01 10:42:02 PM
3 votes:

BravadoGT: Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.

Fark HATES Israel.  But not because they're Jewish!  Because you can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic.

I know that because they tell you every chance they get.


I'm left as they come. I don't hate Israel. I despise people on a personal level who hate Jews on principle. I've known more than a few good Jews. Never known a single good anti-Jew.

Will say a few things:

1) Don't agree politically with the large part of the current Israeli government.
2) The word "Zion" is thrown around WAY too much, both pro and con.
3) Israel absolutely has a right to exist.
4) Palestine also has a right to exist.
5) Peace will not come easily, nor quickly, nor without compromise.
2014-01-01 06:23:08 PM
3 votes:
You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable. Thee are very few people evil enough to actually deserve such a fate, but I'd say Ariel Sharon is one of them.
2014-01-02 02:26:04 AM
2 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s.


Yes, fighting and winning against arab attempts to slaughter jews is definitely "war crimes" by Fark standards.
it's enough to see that he is blamed for Sabra and Shatilla to get the gist of your link. Sabra and Shatilla was good old arabs slaughtering other arabs of a slightly different sect, which was repeated at that time in many other regions of Lebanon (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).

His political opponents made sure he shared the blame for it. he should of known that the arab attackers would behave like savage animals and kill women and children, they did so in Damour, Karantina, Ehden, Safra etc and so on. Never heard of those massacres ? strange. it was the exact same thing.
2014-01-01 09:07:18 PM
2 votes:
Well if Ariel dies I'm switching to Comic Sans.
2014-01-02 04:17:58 PM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: That and lebensraum. Zionism is a racist ideology with roots in 19th century Europe (which was a profoundly racist place). That's why only racists and really ignorant people still defend zionism / Israel.


You are factually incorrect, from your own link. And of course zionism has absolutely nothing to do with any of this but you have to bring the old bullashiat "zionism is racism" because you have absolutely nothing.

Uncle Tractor: ...and that justified a massacre how?


Civilians die in war. This is not new. Sharon said that they believed the houses were empty after the explosives used to destroy the village barrier. As i said this is not a proud moment for the Israelis and there was a lot of criticism from the government and the unit responsible was dismantled. Can you say the same about the arab side ? are you beginning to understand the difference ?
So you do acknowledge the barbaric slaughter of jews by arabs, i say this is some major progress!

Uncle Tractor: ...Which only shows (again) that in Israel, killing an arab is comparable to ... say ... shoplifting.


Bullshiat. You are confusing this with arabs being killed by other arabs as evident all around the middle-east, currently mainly in Syria.

Uncle Tractor: In what country other than Israel could a man responsible for a massacre be elected PM?


Where do i begin ? Jordan (Black September), Syria (Assad Senior in Hama and Assad junior in, well, take your pick), Sudan, Libya, The Palestinian Authority (both sides: Fatah and Hamas). Sharon went on to become a politician, the same can't be said about the arab leaders who conducted their massacres and terrorist attacks while in office. A difference that i bet will fly above your head, again.

Uncle Tractor: One little fact you Israel-apologists like to sweep under the rug is that it's an asymmetrical conflict. It's not between two countries with each their army; it's between an aggressive colonial power and the subjugated natives.


How stupid can you be ? seriously ? do you deliberately ignore the major influence of countries like Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon etc in funding, training, commanding your "natives" who mostly aren't natives but immigrants from all over the arab world ?

Uncle Tractor: Yes, racist. You're a racist living in and defending a racist country.


Nope, you called me racist when i posted a fact: the tribal mentality of the arab people. Of course you realize that i'm 100% correct so you move the goalposts to your next bullcrap.

Uncle Tractor: The environment you live in is so saturated in racism you can't even see it. I might as well try to describe "wet" to a fish.


I can see that you have absolutely no clue regarding what you're talking about.

Uncle Tractor: Do you really think you israelis are any better?


Eh ? yes i do. For starters, unlike you, i'm familiar with the wholesale slaughter of arabs by other arabs in recent history. What's the total of the last 3 years in Syria ? 130,000 ?

Uncle Tractor: You israelis are just another barbaric tribe (or group of tribes) -- massacres, kidnappings, terrorism, murders, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, and all. How you can claim with a straight face that you israelis are any better than anybody else in the region is beyond me.


How can you utter such bullshiat with a straight face is beyond me. Again you paint Israel as acting in a vacuum as if no one has ever tried repeatedly to destroy in.

Uncle Tractor: Burned any good crosses lately?


Do you still claim that arab tribal warfare and mentality is a figment of the imagination ? is your head shoved so deep up your ass that you refuse to acknowledge a historic fact and call me racist for mentioning it ? tell it to these guys, apparently they haven't heard about arab tribal mentality being imaginary.
2014-01-02 11:27:22 AM
1 votes:

Tatterdemalian: Sharon's real crime, in the eyes of people like Uncle Tractor, was proving that, even if the Palestinians are given everything they have been demanding (the complete removal of all Israeli settlements), the Palestinians will still refuse to stop attacking until every living person in Israel is destroyed.



I'm not exactly a middle east expert, but I'm pretty sure that never happened.  WTF are you going on about?
2014-01-02 11:04:09 AM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28]


And Sharon should have guessed that the arabs will behave like savage animals and kill women and children, not the PLO terrorists they were sent in to kill right ? that was my point, obviously it flew 10 feet above your head.

Uncle Tractor: The Qibya massacre, also known as the Qibya incident, occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank. Sixty-nine Palestinian Arabs,[1] two thirds of them women and children,[2] were killed. Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.[3]


Tell me, did the israelis just entered the village because it was palestinian hunting season or it had something to do with a series of brutal arab attacks against jews in the area including the slaughter of a woman and her children coming from that specific village ? and the attack was severely criticized by the israeli cabinet members and resulted in the dismantlement of the unit responsible. I'm sure the murderous arab attacks against the jews had similar results right ? ..

Uncle Tractor: (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).


Racist ? have you been following what is happening in Syria in the last 3 years ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Tunisia ? Libya ? are you that detached from reality that arab tribal wars where they routinely slaughter each other does not exist ? pull your head from your ass, reality is a biatch.

Uncle Tractor: I agree, he should have known that the arabs will slaughter each other as per tradition.


I agree, he should have known that the africans will slaughter each other as per tradition.


I agree, he should have known that theeuropeans will slaughter each other as per tradition.


I agree, he should have known that the jews will slaughter each other as per tradition.


Have you been following what is happening in Syria in the last 3 years ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Tunisia ? Libya ?  are you that detached from reality that arab tribal wars where they routinely slaughter each other does not exist ? pull your head from your ass, reality is a biatch.

Uncle Tractor: According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28]


And Sharon should have guessed that the arabs will behave like savage animals and kill women and children, not the PLO terrorists they were sent in to kill right ? that was my point, obviously it flew 10 feet above your head.

There. A blind retard could get it.

Uncle Tractor: Too bad every post you make on the topic proves him right.


If you're a delusional moron who doesn't know the basic facts about what i just discussed, then yes you would be absolutely correct.
2014-01-02 09:42:14 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.


There is no doubt in my mind that Sharon's visit to the Dome of the Rock in 2000 was a deliberate (and, sadly, successful) attempt to bait the Palestinians into kicking off the round of violence that started then. It is utterly heartbreaking just how close Israel and the Palestinians had come to actual peace just before that, and Sharon just couldn't take it. Even if he had started to understand the value of peace, his personal vendetta against Arafat was too strong for him to let it happen until the latter was dead. And by then, of course, the damage was done.

This is not to clear Arafat and his folks of blame. They did fire the first shots of the current round, and that puts the ultimate blame for it on them. They were baited into it, but they could have chosen to be the better people, and their failure to do that is on their heads. But they were baited, and this shouldn't just be forgotten. Even if we discount his actions in the earlier wars, Sharon has much to answer for on this basis alone.
2014-01-02 07:24:41 AM
1 votes:

inclemency: Should have.


I agree, he should have known that the arabs will slaughter each other as per tradition.
He wasn't, however, the one to blame for it. It was the man who organized the attackers, orchestrated and ordered the attack: Elie Hobeika.

inclemency: And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.


Hyperbolic bullshiat is hyperbolic.
2014-01-02 05:45:54 AM
1 votes:

TappingTheVein: Uncle Tractor: Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s.

Yes, fighting and winning against arab attempts to slaughter jews is definitely "war crimes" by Fark standards.
it's enough to see that he is blamed for Sabra and Shatilla to get the gist of your link. Sabra and Shatilla was good old arabs slaughtering other arabs of a slightly different sect, which was repeated at that time in many other regions of Lebanon (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).

His political opponents made sure he shared the blame for it. he should of known that the arab attackers would behave like savage animals and kill women and children, they did so in Damour, Karantina, Ehden, Safra etc and so on. Never heard of those massacres ? strange. it was the exact same thing.


Should have.

And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.
2014-01-02 12:27:59 AM
1 votes:

Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.


Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s.
2014-01-02 12:06:57 AM
1 votes:
Good riddance.
2014-01-01 09:01:03 PM
1 votes:

GanjSmokr: In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive

And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.


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2014-01-01 07:31:06 PM
1 votes:
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2014-01-01 07:19:10 PM
1 votes:

what_now: You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable. Thee are very few people evil enough to actually deserve such a fate, but I'd say Ariel Sharon is one of them.


You've got to cut the guy some slack. His job for 20 years was killing people to protect Israeli land. Towards the end, he started to realize that peace was the only way forward. Dubya didn't do that much good, but he did get Sharon to talk peace with Abbas.

No one should be left in a state like this. Just pull the plug already.
2014-01-01 07:00:56 PM
1 votes:

Greta_VanHouten: I'd love to see the hospital bill when he finally croaks.


The family is going to be shekeled to that financial burden.
2014-01-01 06:58:58 PM
1 votes:
Ariel Sharon's condition takes a turn for the worst better. In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive

FTFY subby.

Dead > 8 years in a coma
 
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