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(CNN)   Ariel Sharon's condition takes a turn for the worst. In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive   (cnn.com) divider line 82
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2014-01-01 06:23:08 PM  
You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable. Thee are very few people evil enough to actually deserve such a fate, but I'd say Ariel Sharon is one of them.
 
2014-01-01 06:25:30 PM  
i.imgur.com

Just kidding. I only wanted to make a Little Mermaid joke.
 
2014-01-01 06:46:41 PM  
His family planned to meet at the Israeli hospital Saturday to mark the eighth anniversary of his hospitalization

That's a little too morbid even for me.
 
2014-01-01 06:49:41 PM  
I knew there was some middle eastern leader who'd gone into a coma years ago and then.....he never died. He's still in a coma.

I never cared enough to actually look it up, but I found myself thinking, Whatever happened to that guy? I think he's still in a coma.
 
2014-01-01 06:52:09 PM  
Sharon in a coma, I know I know it's serious.
 
2014-01-01 06:56:08 PM  
Worst could be even worse.  He could be wurst.
 
2014-01-01 06:56:23 PM  
I'd love to see the hospital bill when he finally croaks.
 
2014-01-01 06:57:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: Sharon in a coma, I know I know it's serious.


We need more leaders like that.
 
2014-01-01 06:58:58 PM  
Ariel Sharon's condition takes a turn for the worst better. In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive

FTFY subby.

Dead > 8 years in a coma
 
2014-01-01 07:00:56 PM  

Greta_VanHouten: I'd love to see the hospital bill when he finally croaks.


The family is going to be shekeled to that financial burden.
 
2014-01-01 07:04:51 PM  
www.examiner.com

RIP Sharon
 
2014-01-01 07:04:52 PM  
What a coincidence, Just earlier today I was reminded that Fidel Castro is still alive too. In both cases, my reaction was genuine surprise at their lack of death.
 
2014-01-01 07:05:09 PM  
Worse.


/pedantic
 
2014-01-01 07:06:00 PM  
Interesting prophecy from renown rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri before his death in 2006 said that the Messiah would return after Sharon's death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Kaduri
 
2014-01-01 07:08:47 PM  

Banned on the Run: Greta_VanHouten: I'd love to see the hospital bill when he finally croaks.

The family is going to be shekeled to that financial burden.


Eh, they've had Obamacare since Obama was a pot smoking middle schooler.
 
2014-01-01 07:13:13 PM  
Duh duh duh duh DUH duh DUH duh DUH duh Duh duh duh duh DUH duh

MY SHARONA!

Duh duh duh duh DUH duh DUH duh DUH duh Duh duh duh duh DUH duh

IN A COMA!
 
2014-01-01 07:16:07 PM  

I declare Jizad!: Hope the poisonous old reptile dies soon. Preferably just as he wakes up surrounded by his family and then gets a massive, prolonged and painful heart attack.


This.
 
2014-01-01 07:16:40 PM  
Fat fark finally found a way to lose weight, I bet.
 
2014-01-01 07:18:44 PM  
i.imgur.com

RIP Ariel
 
2014-01-01 07:19:10 PM  

what_now: You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable. Thee are very few people evil enough to actually deserve such a fate, but I'd say Ariel Sharon is one of them.


You've got to cut the guy some slack. His job for 20 years was killing people to protect Israeli land. Towards the end, he started to realize that peace was the only way forward. Dubya didn't do that much good, but he did get Sharon to talk peace with Abbas.

No one should be left in a state like this. Just pull the plug already.
 
2014-01-01 07:21:57 PM  
buh-buh-buh-byeeeeee-Sharon-uh
 
2014-01-01 07:22:11 PM  
Boobie doobie doop doop doop doop doobie doobie
Boobie doobie doop doop doop doop doobie doobie

MY SHARONA
 
2014-01-01 07:23:32 PM  

The Flexecutioner: buh-buh-buh-byeeeeee-Sharon-uh


Damn you, Flexicutioner!

/*shakes tiny fist*
 
2014-01-01 07:25:53 PM  

NewportBarGuy: No one should be left in a state like this. Just pull the plug already.


He's 85 years old. Just let him go already.
The miracle of modern medicine *snort*
 
2014-01-01 07:29:49 PM  

illannoyin: [i.imgur.com image 850x1133]

RIP Ariel


hot.
 
2014-01-01 07:31:06 PM  
db.carbuzz.com

Ariel's Speedwagon
 
2014-01-01 07:32:03 PM  
Before anyone posts it ironically, the picture of three people jumping for joy (while a lovely bit of "Yeah this IS an assholish way to respond to someone's death!" face-smearing), would probably be in bad taste.

/If this comment doesn't make sense, don't worry about it.
 
2014-01-01 07:34:02 PM  
"Ariel's Out. Everyone Switching to Cable"
 
2014-01-01 07:36:03 PM  
Sharon is OK. He did his duty for decades then realized the best way forward was peace. He's far better than Bush and Cheney in that regard.
 
2014-01-01 07:38:38 PM  

cryinoutloud: NewportBarGuy: No one should be left in a state like this. Just pull the plug already.

He's 85 years old. Just let him go already.
The miracle of modern medicine *snort*


One reason he's still plugged in has to do with the prophecies of Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri (dead) he was well respected and had/has a lot of followers in Israel.  George Noory of coasttocoast fame just had a show on this

A prophecy made by a 108 year old rabbi, Yitzchak Kaduri, stated in 2007 that when Ariel Sharon dies, the Messiah would return soon afterwards and his name is Jesus! He claims Jesus appeared to him and told him this. This was a well respected RABBI saying that JESUS IS THE MESSIAH!  "
 
2014-01-01 07:39:55 PM  

bearded clamorer: [db.carbuzz.com image 427x320]

Ariel's Speedwagon


I laughed harder at that than I should have. The thought of a hearse smoking its tires was the absurdity that did it.
 
2014-01-01 07:40:35 PM  
Hell, Sharon isn't just bad off, it's destroyed.
static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-01 08:04:26 PM  

cryinoutloud: I knew there was some middle eastern leader who'd gone into a coma years ago and then.....he never died. He's still in a coma.

I never cared enough to actually look it up, but I found myself thinking, Whatever happened to that guy? I think he's still in a coma.


Maybe somebody made a remote controlled suicide bomber out of him.
 
2014-01-01 08:09:07 PM  
farking kidnapper/rapists deserve to die in prison. Those poor girls.
 
2014-01-01 08:16:44 PM  
The kidneys were what finally gave out on my grandfather. He spent the last years of his life frantically caring for my grandmother who was besot with dementia. It was like watching two wonderful people just fall right into the dumps almost instantly.

It was a weird end for him. The doctor said the kidneys developed gangrene as an indirect result of his neglect to follow instructions on how to take care of himself (probably not surprising given how busy he was with grandma). The odd result was that the doctor said his last moments would be spent as if he were drunk, and it showed. The last conscious moments of his life were downright giddy. It was a very strange departure from his more familiar surly personality. Then he passed out. A few hours later it was over.

There's a lot of so-called "natural causes" from which one can die. I don't recommend kidney-disease or dementia to anyone. Not even to those I oppose politically.
 
2014-01-01 08:22:45 PM  
According to this rabbi's prophecy, the messiah will return after the death of Sharon.
 
2014-01-01 08:27:55 PM  
In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive

And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
 
2014-01-01 08:39:40 PM  

what_now: You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable. Thee are very few people evil enough to actually deserve such a fate, but I'd say Ariel Sharon is one of them.


Because he's a Jew or because he's a politician?
 
2014-01-01 09:01:03 PM  

GanjSmokr: In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive

And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.


media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com

                                        "Wait ... what?"
 
2014-01-01 09:02:35 PM  
What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.
 
2014-01-01 09:07:18 PM  
Well if Ariel dies I'm switching to Comic Sans.
 
2014-01-01 09:21:11 PM  

Danger Avoid Death: GanjSmokr: In other news, Ariel Sharon is still alive

And in other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

[media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com image 488x488]

                                        "Wait ... what?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=butZyxI-PRs
 
2014-01-01 09:29:52 PM  

Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.


Fark HATES Israel.  But not because they're Jewish!  Because you can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic.

I know that because they tell you every chance they get.
 
2014-01-01 10:07:28 PM  

trotsky: Sharon is OK. He did his duty for decades then realized the best way forward was peace. He's far better than Bush and Cheney in that regard.


Careful with that bar you set. Somebody might trip over it.
 
2014-01-01 10:37:08 PM  

SOON

www.scottstander.com

/slackers
 
2014-01-01 10:39:58 PM  
You know what? I just can't find any sympathy. What are the odds?
 
2014-01-01 10:40:44 PM  

DrunkenBob: what_now: You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable. Thee are very few people evil enough to actually deserve such a fate, but I'd say Ariel Sharon is one of them.

Because he's a Jew or because he's a politician?


[why_not_both.jpg]
 
2014-01-01 10:42:02 PM  

BravadoGT: Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.

Fark HATES Israel.  But not because they're Jewish!  Because you can be anti-Zionist without being anti-Semitic.

I know that because they tell you every chance they get.


I'm left as they come. I don't hate Israel. I despise people on a personal level who hate Jews on principle. I've known more than a few good Jews. Never known a single good anti-Jew.

Will say a few things:

1) Don't agree politically with the large part of the current Israeli government.
2) The word "Zion" is thrown around WAY too much, both pro and con.
3) Israel absolutely has a right to exist.
4) Palestine also has a right to exist.
5) Peace will not come easily, nor quickly, nor without compromise.
 
2014-01-01 11:19:40 PM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: What a coincidence, Just earlier today I was reminded that Fidel Castro is still alive too. In both cases, my reaction was genuine surprise at their lack of death.


Really? After 641 failed assassination plans and attempts by the CIA you're still surprised that Castro is alive?

Just kidding. Nobody is more surprised that he is still alive than he is. He's in really great shape for a man his age. I think it is because of all the six hour speeches. He's got the upper body strength and health of a 91 year old orchestra conductor. Best exercise ever, apart from swimming maybe. Castro has encouraged a lot of swimming, but I don't know if he has ever tried any long-distance swims himself.
 
2014-01-01 11:25:01 PM  
I've always suspected that Sharon would make a full come-back from his coma and rule Israel again. After all, the Revelation of Saint John the Divine says the Beast from the Land, 666, would suffer a seemingly mortal wound and amaze the world by recovering.

If he dies, I want proof it's not a trick.

If he dies without becoming the Beast of Revelation, I will, like every True Believer since that book was written, admit he wasn't the real Beast and move on. But I'm taking at least one Republican who believes that Obama is the Antichrist with me. Even if I have to grab him by the short and curlies, kicking and screaming into reality.
 
2014-01-01 11:27:58 PM  

Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?


He keeps trolling the Sports tab.
 
2014-01-02 12:06:57 AM  
Good riddance.
 
2014-01-02 12:09:56 AM  

www.gtswebplus.com

RIP Arial

 
2014-01-02 12:27:59 AM  

Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.


Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s.
 
2014-01-02 01:18:06 AM  
Can they just let him die already? I'm tired of him taking up a spot on my death pool.
 
2014-01-02 02:26:04 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s.


Yes, fighting and winning against arab attempts to slaughter jews is definitely "war crimes" by Fark standards.
it's enough to see that he is blamed for Sabra and Shatilla to get the gist of your link. Sabra and Shatilla was good old arabs slaughtering other arabs of a slightly different sect, which was repeated at that time in many other regions of Lebanon (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).

His political opponents made sure he shared the blame for it. he should of known that the arab attackers would behave like savage animals and kill women and children, they did so in Damour, Karantina, Ehden, Safra etc and so on. Never heard of those massacres ? strange. it was the exact same thing.
 
2014-01-02 03:07:48 AM  

NewportBarGuy: No one should be left in a state like this. Just pull the plug already.


I'll be more than happy to donate $5 to keep the machine that goes 'bing' going.
 
2014-01-02 05:45:54 AM  

TappingTheVein: Uncle Tractor: Sharon's history offers a monochromatic record of moral corruption, with a documented record of war crimes going back to the early 1950s.

Yes, fighting and winning against arab attempts to slaughter jews is definitely "war crimes" by Fark standards.
it's enough to see that he is blamed for Sabra and Shatilla to get the gist of your link. Sabra and Shatilla was good old arabs slaughtering other arabs of a slightly different sect, which was repeated at that time in many other regions of Lebanon (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).

His political opponents made sure he shared the blame for it. he should of known that the arab attackers would behave like savage animals and kill women and children, they did so in Damour, Karantina, Ehden, Safra etc and so on. Never heard of those massacres ? strange. it was the exact same thing.


Should have.

And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.
 
2014-01-02 07:24:41 AM  

inclemency: Should have.


I agree, he should have known that the arabs will slaughter each other as per tradition.
He wasn't, however, the one to blame for it. It was the man who organized the attackers, orchestrated and ordered the attack: Elie Hobeika.

inclemency: And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.


Hyperbolic bullshiat is hyperbolic.
 
2014-01-02 07:39:44 AM  

TappingTheVein: inclemency: Should have.

I agree, he should have known that the arabs will slaughter each other as per tradition.
He wasn't, however, the one to blame for it. It was the man who organized the attackers, orchestrated and ordered the attack: Elie Hobeika.

inclemency: And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.

Hyperbolic bullshiat is hyperbolic.


All the haters really have is hyperbolic bullshiat, really. Sharon's real crime, in the eyes of people like Uncle Tractor, was proving that, even if the Palestinians are given everything they have been demanding (the complete removal of all Israeli settlements), the Palestinians will still refuse to stop attacking until every living person in Israel is destroyed. The only way to resolve the resulting cognitive dissonance without blaming the Palestinians is to invent magical reasons why Israel must have manipulated them into their current genocidal state, and naturally the person who brought him the message that drove him mad is the primary target to blame.
 
2014-01-02 08:52:43 AM  

Felgraf: Before anyone posts it ironically, the picture of three people jumping for joy (while a lovely bit of "Yeah this IS an assholish way to respond to someone's death!" face-smearing), would probably be in bad taste.

/If this comment doesn't make sense, don't worry about it.


This one?

It was originally posted in bad taste, which is what makes it memorable.
 
2014-01-02 08:54:17 AM  
WTF, wordpress? I'm sure you used to allow hotlinking images.

i.imgur.com

/Thanks, imgur.
//Thur
 
2014-01-02 09:32:13 AM  

TappingTheVein: Yes, fighting and winning against arab attempts to slaughter jews

defend their homelandis definitely "war crimes" by Fark standards.
it's enough to see that he is blamed for Sabra and Shatilla to get the gist of your link. Sabra and Shatilla was good old arabs slaughtering other arabs of a slightly different sect, which was repeated at that time in many other regions of Lebanon


According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28]

 (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).

i560.photobucket.com

His political opponents made sure he shared the blame for it. he should of known that the arab attackers would behave like savage animals and kill women and children, they did so in Damour, Karantina, Ehden, Safra etc and so on. Never heard of those massacres ? strange. it was the exact same thing.

The Qibya massacre, also known as the Qibya incident, occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank. Sixty-nine Palestinian Arabs,[1] two thirds of them women and children,[2] were killed. Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.[3]
 
2014-01-02 09:39:07 AM  

TappingTheVein: inclemency: Should have.

I agree, he should have known that the arabs will slaughter each other as per tradition.

i560.photobucket.com

I agree, he should have known that the africans will slaughter each other as per tradition.
i560.photobucket.com

I agree, he should have known that theeuropeans will slaughter each other as per tradition.
i560.photobucket.com

I agree, he should have known that the jews will slaughter each other as per tradition.
i560.photobucket.com

He wasn't, however, the one to blame for it. It was the man who organized the attackers, orchestrated and ordered the attack: Elie Hobeika.

According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28]

inclemency: And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.

Hyperbolic bullshiat is hyperbolic.


Too bad every post you make on the topic proves him right.
 
2014-01-02 09:42:14 AM  

Lsherm: What the hell did Ariel Sharon do to piss off Fark?  As far as I can tell he didn't start any wars himself.


There is no doubt in my mind that Sharon's visit to the Dome of the Rock in 2000 was a deliberate (and, sadly, successful) attempt to bait the Palestinians into kicking off the round of violence that started then. It is utterly heartbreaking just how close Israel and the Palestinians had come to actual peace just before that, and Sharon just couldn't take it. Even if he had started to understand the value of peace, his personal vendetta against Arafat was too strong for him to let it happen until the latter was dead. And by then, of course, the damage was done.

This is not to clear Arafat and his folks of blame. They did fire the first shots of the current round, and that puts the ultimate blame for it on them. They were baited into it, but they could have chosen to be the better people, and their failure to do that is on their heads. But they were baited, and this shouldn't just be forgotten. Even if we discount his actions in the earlier wars, Sharon has much to answer for on this basis alone.
 
2014-01-02 09:46:03 AM  

Tatterdemalian: All the haters really have is hyperbolic bullshiat, really. Sharon's real crime, in the eyes of people like Uncle Tractor, was proving that, even if the Palestinians are given everything they have been demanding (the complete removal of all Israeli settlements), the Palestinians will still refuse to stop attacking until every living person in Israel is destroyed. The only way to resolve the resulting cognitive dissonance without blaming the Palestinians is to invent magical reasons why Israel must have manipulated them into their current genocidal state, and naturally the person who brought him the message that drove him mad is the primary target to blame.


Too bad you guys can't defend Israel without resorting to lies.
 
2014-01-02 09:52:03 AM  

what_now: You know, being in a coma for 8 years has got to be one of the worst possible fates imaginable.


I'm not so sure I agree. If he were locked-in for eight years, conscious but unable to respond to anything (the sort of thing Stephen Hawking faces as his ALS progresses) that would be a terrible fate, and I think this is what most people think of when they talk about being afraid of long years in a coma. But the thing about comas is that you're completely unconscious. As best as science has been able to determine, you don't even dream. This still isn't a pretty fate, but Sharon doesn't mind; he's not in a position to.

It's not a fate I'd want for myself, if it could be helped. But I can think of quite a lot of fates I'd choose it over.
 
2014-01-02 09:53:24 AM  

www.pvsaerials.co.uk


RIP Aerial

 
2014-01-02 10:27:32 AM  

inclemency: And Israel's always right, everyone else is bad.


If you have to pick a side, that's the one I'm going with.
 
2014-01-02 11:04:09 AM  

Uncle Tractor: According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28]


And Sharon should have guessed that the arabs will behave like savage animals and kill women and children, not the PLO terrorists they were sent in to kill right ? that was my point, obviously it flew 10 feet above your head.

Uncle Tractor: The Qibya massacre, also known as the Qibya incident, occurred in October 1953 when Israeli troops under Ariel Sharon attacked the village of Qibya in the West Bank. Sixty-nine Palestinian Arabs,[1] two thirds of them women and children,[2] were killed. Forty-five houses, a school, and a mosque were destroyed.[3]


Tell me, did the israelis just entered the village because it was palestinian hunting season or it had something to do with a series of brutal arab attacks against jews in the area including the slaughter of a woman and her children coming from that specific village ? and the attack was severely criticized by the israeli cabinet members and resulted in the dismantlement of the unit responsible. I'm sure the murderous arab attacks against the jews had similar results right ? ..

Uncle Tractor: (and today for that matter in Syria and Lebanon, it's an arab tradition).


Racist ? have you been following what is happening in Syria in the last 3 years ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Tunisia ? Libya ? are you that detached from reality that arab tribal wars where they routinely slaughter each other does not exist ? pull your head from your ass, reality is a biatch.

Uncle Tractor: I agree, he should have known that the arabs will slaughter each other as per tradition.


I agree, he should have known that the africans will slaughter each other as per tradition.


I agree, he should have known that theeuropeans will slaughter each other as per tradition.


I agree, he should have known that the jews will slaughter each other as per tradition.


Have you been following what is happening in Syria in the last 3 years ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Tunisia ? Libya ?  are you that detached from reality that arab tribal wars where they routinely slaughter each other does not exist ? pull your head from your ass, reality is a biatch.

Uncle Tractor: According to Linda Malone of the Jerusalem Fund, Ariel Sharon and Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan[27] met with Phalangist militia units and invited them to enter Sabra and Shatila, claiming that the PLO was responsible for Gemayel's assassination.[28]


And Sharon should have guessed that the arabs will behave like savage animals and kill women and children, not the PLO terrorists they were sent in to kill right ? that was my point, obviously it flew 10 feet above your head.

There. A blind retard could get it.

Uncle Tractor: Too bad every post you make on the topic proves him right.


If you're a delusional moron who doesn't know the basic facts about what i just discussed, then yes you would be absolutely correct.
 
2014-01-02 11:11:07 AM  

Millennium: There is no doubt in my mind that Sharon's visit to the Dome of the Rock in 2000 was a deliberate (and, sadly, successful) attempt to bait the Palestinians into kicking off the round of violence that started then. It is utterly heartbreaking just how close Israel and the Palestinians had come to actual peace just before that


Um, no. The Palestinians prepared the second intifidah in advance and used his visit as an excuse, as they admitted later.
 
2014-01-02 11:27:22 AM  

Tatterdemalian: Sharon's real crime, in the eyes of people like Uncle Tractor, was proving that, even if the Palestinians are given everything they have been demanding (the complete removal of all Israeli settlements), the Palestinians will still refuse to stop attacking until every living person in Israel is destroyed.



I'm not exactly a middle east expert, but I'm pretty sure that never happened.  WTF are you going on about?
 
2014-01-02 11:30:00 AM  

TappingTheVein: Millennium: There is no doubt in my mind that Sharon's visit to the Dome of the Rock in 2000 was a deliberate (and, sadly, successful) attempt to bait the Palestinians into kicking off the round of violence that started then. It is utterly heartbreaking just how close Israel and the Palestinians had come to actual peace just before that

Um, no. The Palestinians prepared the second intifidah in advance and used his visit as an excuse, as they admitted later.


Linking to the BBC version of Media matters is not a good way to get your point across.  They have an agenda, dontchaknow.
 
2014-01-02 11:51:28 AM  

Lsherm: Linking to the BBC version of Media matters is not a good way to get your point across.  They have an agenda, dontchaknow


Point to anything they posted which isn't a fact.
 
2014-01-02 12:19:56 PM  

TappingTheVein: Tell me, did the israelis just entered the village because it was palestinian hunting season


That and lebensraum. Zionism is a racist ideology with roots in 19th century Europe (which was a profoundly racist place). That's why only racists and really ignorant people still defend zionism / Israel.

or it had something to do with a series of brutal arab attacks against jews in the area including the slaughter of a woman and her children coming from that specific village ?

...and that justified a massacre how?

 and the attack was severely criticized by the israeli cabinet members and resulted in the dismantlement of the unit responsible.

...Which only shows (again) that in Israel, killing an arab is comparable to ... say ... shoplifting. In what country other than Israel could a man responsible for a massacre be elected PM?

I'm sure the murderous arab attacks against the jews had similar results right ? ..

One little fact you Israel-apologists like to sweep under the rug is that it's an asymmetrical conflict. It's not between two countries with each their army; it's between an aggressive colonial power and the subjugated natives.

Racist ?

Yes, racist. You're a racist living in and defending a racist country. The environment you live in is so saturated in racism you can't even see it. I might as well try to describe "wet" to a fish.

 have you been following what is happening in Syria in the last 3 years ? Iraq ? Lebanon ? Tunisia ? Libya ? are you that detached from reality that arab tribal wars where they routinely slaughter each other does not exist ?

Do you really think you israelis are any better? You israelis are just another barbaric tribe (or group of tribes) -- massacres, kidnappings, terrorism, murders, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, and all. How you can claim with a straight face that you israelis are any better than anybody else in the region is beyond me.

pull your head from your ass, reality is a biatch.

Burned any good crosses lately?
 
2014-01-02 03:45:00 PM  
War criminal. A fitting end.
 
2014-01-02 04:17:58 PM  

Uncle Tractor: That and lebensraum. Zionism is a racist ideology with roots in 19th century Europe (which was a profoundly racist place). That's why only racists and really ignorant people still defend zionism / Israel.


You are factually incorrect, from your own link. And of course zionism has absolutely nothing to do with any of this but you have to bring the old bullashiat "zionism is racism" because you have absolutely nothing.

Uncle Tractor: ...and that justified a massacre how?


Civilians die in war. This is not new. Sharon said that they believed the houses were empty after the explosives used to destroy the village barrier. As i said this is not a proud moment for the Israelis and there was a lot of criticism from the government and the unit responsible was dismantled. Can you say the same about the arab side ? are you beginning to understand the difference ?
So you do acknowledge the barbaric slaughter of jews by arabs, i say this is some major progress!

Uncle Tractor: ...Which only shows (again) that in Israel, killing an arab is comparable to ... say ... shoplifting.


Bullshiat. You are confusing this with arabs being killed by other arabs as evident all around the middle-east, currently mainly in Syria.

Uncle Tractor: In what country other than Israel could a man responsible for a massacre be elected PM?


Where do i begin ? Jordan (Black September), Syria (Assad Senior in Hama and Assad junior in, well, take your pick), Sudan, Libya, The Palestinian Authority (both sides: Fatah and Hamas). Sharon went on to become a politician, the same can't be said about the arab leaders who conducted their massacres and terrorist attacks while in office. A difference that i bet will fly above your head, again.

Uncle Tractor: One little fact you Israel-apologists like to sweep under the rug is that it's an asymmetrical conflict. It's not between two countries with each their army; it's between an aggressive colonial power and the subjugated natives.


How stupid can you be ? seriously ? do you deliberately ignore the major influence of countries like Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon etc in funding, training, commanding your "natives" who mostly aren't natives but immigrants from all over the arab world ?

Uncle Tractor: Yes, racist. You're a racist living in and defending a racist country.


Nope, you called me racist when i posted a fact: the tribal mentality of the arab people. Of course you realize that i'm 100% correct so you move the goalposts to your next bullcrap.

Uncle Tractor: The environment you live in is so saturated in racism you can't even see it. I might as well try to describe "wet" to a fish.


I can see that you have absolutely no clue regarding what you're talking about.

Uncle Tractor: Do you really think you israelis are any better?


Eh ? yes i do. For starters, unlike you, i'm familiar with the wholesale slaughter of arabs by other arabs in recent history. What's the total of the last 3 years in Syria ? 130,000 ?

Uncle Tractor: You israelis are just another barbaric tribe (or group of tribes) -- massacres, kidnappings, terrorism, murders, ethnic cleansing, eugenics, and all. How you can claim with a straight face that you israelis are any better than anybody else in the region is beyond me.


How can you utter such bullshiat with a straight face is beyond me. Again you paint Israel as acting in a vacuum as if no one has ever tried repeatedly to destroy in.

Uncle Tractor: Burned any good crosses lately?


Do you still claim that arab tribal warfare and mentality is a figment of the imagination ? is your head shoved so deep up your ass that you refuse to acknowledge a historic fact and call me racist for mentioning it ? tell it to these guys, apparently they haven't heard about arab tribal mentality being imaginary.
 
2014-01-02 05:50:06 PM  

TappingTheVein: You are factually incorrect, from your own link.


None of this justifies a massacre. You're just blowing smoke.

And of course zionism has absolutely nothing to do with any of this but you have to bring the old bullashiat "zionism is racism" because you have absolutely nothing.

A state based on ethnicity is by necessity a racist state, and zionism is the underlying racist ideology. You're in denial. BTW: The "Jewish Virtual Library" isn't exactly a neutral source.

Uncle Tractor: ...and that justified a massacre how?

Civilians die in war.


Dying in war is not the same as being massacred, and you know it.

 This is not new. Sharon said that they believed the houses were empty after the explosives used to destroy the village barrier. As i said this is not a proud moment for the Israelis and there was a lot of criticism from the government and the unit responsible was dismantled. Can you say the same about the arab side ? are you beginning to understand the difference ?

The difference is that you israelis put on a great show of being horrified, slap the offenders on the wrist, and then elect the people responsible for the atrocities.

Wait ...what's the difference again?

Uncle Tractor: In what country other than Israel could a man responsible for a massacre be elected PM?

Where do i begin ? Jordan (Black September), Syria (Assad Senior in Hama and Assad junior in, well, take your pick), Sudan, Libya, The Palestinian Authority (both sides: Fatah and Hamas).


"Elected?" I thought Israel was supposed to be "the only democracy in the region".

Uncle Tractor: One little fact you Israel-apologists like to sweep under the rug is that it's an asymmetrical conflict.

How stupid can you be ? seriously ? do you deliberately ignore the major influence of countries like Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon etc in funding, training, commanding your "natives" who mostly aren't natives but immigrants from all over the arab world ?


And israelis are not immigrants from all over the world? As for foreign backing, have you ever heard of this place called the United States of America?

How can you utter such bullshiat with a straight face is beyond me. Again you paint Israel as acting in a vacuum as if no one has ever tried repeatedly to destroy in.

People tend to attack aggressive invaders. That's just the way it is. You'll just have to suck it up.
 
2014-01-02 07:09:00 PM  

Uncle Tractor: None of this justifies a massacre. You're just blowing smoke.


Never said it did, i simply pointed out how your argument is factually incorrect. Provided by your own link.
It was not palestinian hunting season, lebensraum, zionism or whatever bullshiat you  claimed, it was part of an ongoing war and a retaliation to repeated arab attacks, period.

Uncle Tractor: A state based on ethnicity is by necessity a racist state


Right, a nation defined by a shared heritage, language, culture and history is unheard of. But the palestinians demanding Judenrein is A-Ok.

Uncle Tractor: and zionism is the underlying racist ideology


And, of course, that would make you wrong again. Zionism is the ideology of the continuing existence of Israel. You, like some arab nationals, seem to have a difficult time accepting this fact.

Uncle Tractor: The "Jewish Virtual Library" isn't exactly a neutral source.


Was the detailed explanation why "zionism = racism" is bullcrap too complex for you ? do you find any errors in the details they provided ?
Where did you expect to find it, BBC News ?

Uncle Tractor: Dying in war is not the same as being massacred, and you know it.


That's not what i said and you know it. When arab terrorists hide behind civilians, as per their MO , civilians die. it's unfortunate but it happens.
As Sharon said, they believed civilians escaped when they blew up the village barriers.

Uncle Tractor: The difference is that you israelis put on a great show of being horrified, slap the offenders on the wrist, and then elect the people responsible for the atrocities.


You elegantly skipped the difference bit which is of course expected of you. Can't have you facing reality now can we.
You really have no idea regarding the israeli public do you ? never been to  a pro-palestinian demonstrations of israelis i reckon. Go ahead and find me such demonstration of arabs marching down Gaza or Ramallah calling for the end of violence against jews. This should be a good lesson for you.
You seem to be confused a bit again, the side which glorifies slaughter and keeps electing terrorists are the palestinians.

Uncle Tractor: "Elected?" I thought Israel was supposed to be "the only democracy in the region".


Oh i forgot, i was talking about arab/islamic nations, the concept is foreign to them. The palestinians did elect them though, including a jihadist terrorist organization with "kill the jews" as a running platform. In Egypt they elected a jihadist fundamentalist organization to lead them, that didn't turn out so well for them.

Uncle Tractor: And israelis are not immigrants from all over the world?


Israel is their original homeland. Dig anywhere and you'll find relics in Hebrew. With the so called "palestinians" i can trace their country of origin thanks to their tribal tradition of keeping the tribal last name.
Al-Masri = Egypt, Hamis = Bahrain, Al-Lubnani = lebanon, Al-Mugrabi = Morocco, Alawi = Syria, Zouabi = Iraq. Arafat, a famous "palestinian" was originally named Al-Qudwa, his tribe is the Qudwa tribe in Halab, Syria. I can go on for several pages but i'm sure you get the idea.

Uncle Tractor: As for foreign backing, have you ever heard of this place called the United States of America?


The entire point, that the palestinians are nothing but pawns of islamic/arab nations went way above your head. Do you have brain damage or something ? this wasn't written in Sanskrit. Your notion of 'subjugated natives' without mentioning who is actually controlling them says quite a lot about you.

Uncle Tractor: People tend to attack aggressive invaders. That's just the way it is. You'll just have to suck it up.


Ah some more historical revisionism. Ignoring the fact that the jews settled in land they owned and baught, that israel's current form is the result of arab attempts to destroy it, the Partition Plan which the arabs rejected etc and so on.

Israelis tend to react when they are attacked by people who have a difficult time accepting Israel's existence. They'll have to cut it out or simply continue to suck it up. Israel is not going anywhere.

Should i bring up the fact that you ignored all your lying bullshiat which i pointed out in my previous post ? like you calling me a racist ? not grasping the fact that arab tribal mentality exist ? that they have been slaughtering each other for centuries ? nah, what's the point, you'll just ignore it again.
 
2014-01-02 07:45:39 PM  

TappingTheVein: The entire point, that the palestinians are nothing but pawns of islamic/arab nations went way above your head. Do you have brain damage or something ? this wasn't written in Sanskrit. Your notion of 'subjugated natives' without mentioning who is actually controlling them says quite a lot about you.


Just like Lsherm, he's just willfully missing the point and pretending not to be able to comprehend what he's reading. Cognitive dissonance can get mighty ugly, so just be glad you can keep him on the other side of your computer screen.

/heck, the whole Palestinian movement started with their own cognitive dissonance
//and it will never end, because not only have they never been forced to face the fact that Israel is never going to let itself be destroyed, they keep getting encouragement from people like Lsherm and Uncle Tractor to continue killing themselves for their lies
 
2014-01-03 05:28:54 AM  

TappingTheVein: Uncle Tractor: A state based on ethnicity is by necessity a racist state

Right, a nation defined by a shared heritage, language, culture and history is unheard of.


...Which does not apply to today's jews. Ashkenazim, Israel Betas, Sephardim, and so on have different ethnicities, different cultures, different languages, different history, and so on. That eugenics program Israel carried out against the betas proves this.

But the palestinians demanding Judenrein is A-Ok.

...And more lies from you.

TappingTheVein: And, of course, that would make you wrong again. Zionism is the ideology of the continuing existence of Israel.


And Israel is the "jewish state", which leaves everybody else out in the cold -- including Ethiopian jews, it would seem.

TappingTheVein: That's not what i said and you know it. When arab terrorists hide behind civilians, as per their MO , civilians die


So, if "terrorists" hide in a village, you israelis are justified in massacring *everyone* who lives there, including the children. Right. See, this is why Israel is often compared to the Third Reich.

TappingTheVein: You elegantly skipped the difference bit which is of course expected of you.
Go ahead and find me such demonstration of arabs marching down Gaza or Ramallah calling for the end of violence against jews. This should be a good lesson for you.


...And a few years later, those demonstrators elect the people responsible for the very thing they're supposedly demonstrating against. The difference is only skin deep.

TappingTheVein: Ignoring the fact that the jews settled in land they owned and baught,

Living on land you've bought is not the same as turning it into a homeland and you know it.

that israel's current form is the result of arab attempts to destroy it, the Partition Plan which the arabs rejected etc and so on.

Of course they rejected it. Why on earth would they? There isn't a country on earth that wouldn't have rejected something like that.

Israelis tend to react when they are attacked by people who have a difficult time accepting Israel's existence. They'll have to cut it out or simply continue to suck it up. Israel is not going anywhere.

Oh, I'm well aware of that. Here's something you israelis are going to have to suck up: The single-state solution. You'll probably live to see the first arab Israeli PM.

Should i bring up the fact that you ignored all your lying bullshiat which i pointed out in my previous post ? like you calling me a racist ?

Oh, you're a racist. You'd be at home in any racist group of regime if one ignores your current ethnicity. You can't see it yourself because of that whole "explaining wet to a fish" thing, but you're a racist.

 not grasping the fact that arab tribal mentality exist ?

Not grasping the fact that you israelis are suffering from that very same tribal mentality?
 
2014-01-03 05:33:25 AM  

Tatterdemalian: it will never end, because not only have they never been forced to face the fact that Israel is never going to let itself be destroyed,


They'll accept the fact that the one-state solution is the only way out.

The idea of a one-state Solution (in all of the old Mandated Palestine) as a more viable and progressive answer to the two- state solution has been floating around the edges of Palestinian and pro-Palestinian intellectual and/or activist circles for some years. This is particularly true as the Oslo Agreement withered and Israeli settlement building in the West Bank (including Arab Jerusalem) has accelerated.

I'm looking forward to the whinging and cries of outrage from the fark zionistas when this happens.
 
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