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2014-01-01 06:23:33 PM
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2014-01-01 06:41:49 PM
Fiat acquired control of a bankrupt Chrysler as part of a 2009 bailout deal brokered by the Obama administration.

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2014-01-01 07:15:53 PM
Who would have predicted that the quality of Chrysler's vehicles would soar under ownership by Fiat after plummeting under ownership by Mercedes?
 
2014-01-01 07:21:49 PM
I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

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2014-01-01 07:25:43 PM
I had a Chrysler 300M that cost as much to keep on the road as a Maserati, so...
 
2014-01-01 07:28:41 PM

Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

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Can I talk you down?
 
2014-01-01 07:31:01 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?


You have other suggestions?
 
2014-01-01 07:42:23 PM
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the next Challenger. I've heard it will be based on a smaller and lighter Fiat platform, and still offer a hemi.
 
2014-01-01 07:49:14 PM

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?


F-150.
 
2014-01-01 07:59:58 PM

Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

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Ugh. looks like a slimmed down Pontiac Aztek to me....

/ I guess if you need cargo space it will be OK...
 
2014-01-01 08:07:41 PM
At least now you can be sure that they won't ever get another bailout, which is probably good news for those of you that think that the auto industry bailout was a bad thing (it wasn't, by the way).
 
2014-01-01 08:15:34 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

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Ugh. looks like a slimmed down Pontiac Aztek to me....

/ I guess if you need cargo space it will be OK...


You want a truck? Get a truck.

Ideally, car, for running around and truck, for work, fun and winter.

Do the math, and remember to include insurance rates, depreciation (Dodge Ram *shudder*) and gas mileage. You might be surprised that it almost costs the same. Way less if you get one of them used.

It does have some pretty damn sweet tech in it though. More things to break?

Do what you feel that you need, but if you are going to bounce it around, you might want get something that you can hammer out the dents cheaply, and can short out the computer to run because you drowned the damn thing 20 miles in the bush. (got turned sideways in a flash flood)
 
2014-01-01 08:15:43 PM
Imported from Detroit no more
 
2014-01-01 08:26:12 PM

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?


I'd look at the Toyota Rav4.  It's a bit smaller, but probably cheaper in the long run.  How long do you intend to own it?
 
2014-01-01 08:29:26 PM
Saw my first 500L this week. Much nicer than the 500.
 
2014-01-01 08:40:34 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Who would have predicted that the quality of Chrysler's vehicles would soar under ownership by Fiat after plummeting under ownership by Mercedes?


I like the Fiats, but the improvements in the actual Chrysler line have been mostly cosmetic.  God help you if you get a Dodge, which is bottoming out the reliability curve even by the American auto water-carrying JD Power and Associates.

I think Fiat still needs to stamp more of their process into the Chrysler/Dodge line before there's going to be a real improvement in their vehicles.
 
2014-01-01 08:40:43 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: At least now you can be sure that they won't ever get another bailout, which is probably good news for those of you that think that the auto industry bailout was a bad thing (it wasn't, by the way).


Well thats one way to spin it.
 
2014-01-01 08:42:04 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Ugh. looks like a slimmed down Pontiac Aztek to me....


That's the first thing that came to my mind, also.

. o O (Looks like something the Aztek designers came up with)
 
2014-01-01 08:45:09 PM

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?


How about a five year old Range Rover?
 
2014-01-01 08:58:18 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: At least now you can be sure that they won't ever get another bailout, which is probably good news for those of you that think that the auto industry bailout was a bad thing (it wasn't, by the way).


Why wouldn't there be another bailout because if this? The bailout was for the benefit of the workers, not the investors. Unless Fiat moves all the jobs out the US there will still be US jobs to bail out.
 
2014-01-01 08:58:52 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?

How about a five year old Range Rover?


Range Rovers are crazy expensive to repair.  If you get a five year old one, even one in great condition, your maintenance costs are going to be really high.
 
2014-01-01 08:59:19 PM

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-01 08:59:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?

How about a five year old Range Rover?


Yeah, owning a Range Rover out of warranty is a GREAT idea....
 
2014-01-01 09:02:10 PM
The rebranding includes changing the name to AMC

Which, of course stands for, Atsa My Car
 
2014-01-01 09:03:07 PM

Lsherm: TuteTibiImperes: Who would have predicted that the quality of Chrysler's vehicles would soar under ownership by Fiat after plummeting under ownership by Mercedes?

I like the Fiats, but the improvements in the actual Chrysler line have been mostly cosmetic.  God help you if you get a Dodge, which is bottoming out the reliability curve even by the American auto water-carrying JD Power and Associates.

I think Fiat still needs to stamp more of their process into the Chrysler/Dodge line before there's going to be a real improvement in their vehicles.


Well, the reliability ratings are somewhat predictive based on past history, and first years of new designs always have more problems, but I'll give you that Chrysler has some ground left to gain.

Still, modern cars are more or less pretty reliable from the worst reliability record to the best.  The full range is a lot narrower than it was twenty years ago.

I just like what Chrysler is doing in terms of styling, interior appointments, powertrains, and in-vehicle technology.  I could see buying one for myself at some point in the future.  Then again, I always lease, so I don't have to worry about what happens after the warranty ends.
 
2014-01-01 09:04:23 PM

Lsherm: Range Rovers are crazy expensive to repair


You have never owned a top of the line Chrysler sedan.  Not only are they expensive to repair, but they cannot be completely repaired, regardless of the amount of money spent.
 
2014-01-01 09:06:55 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?

How about a five year old Range Rover?

Yeah, owning a Range Rover out of warranty is a GREAT idea....


I'm going to scratch you right off the list of people whom I see as "Farkers who could be Jeremy Clarkson".
 
2014-01-01 09:09:47 PM
" I had a Chrysler 300M that cost as much to keep on the road as a Maserati, so... "

Yeah, they quit making those a decade ago.
My 2011 20Chrysler 0 has been flawless for over 2 years and almost 80,000 miles.
Just replaced the front brake pads, only maintenance it's had except fluid and filters.
1 recall for a switch they replaced free or charge to turn of a light in the dash.
/times have changed
 
2014-01-01 09:11:01 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Lsherm: Range Rovers are crazy expensive to repair

You have never owned a top of the line Chrysler sedan.  Not only are they expensive to repair, but they cannot be completely repaired, regardless of the amount of money spent.


This made me laugh pretty good.  I stick with Japanese cars only because I learned to drive in the early 80's and American cars turned me off for life.  I had a 1977 Ford Grenada that seemed designed explicitly to make you hate US automobiles.  It was a heaping pile of shiat, and it rusted like oxidation was its day job.  I had a Chevette whose brakes only work on the right side, but it didn't matter because it wouldn't go above 45 mph anyway.  And after owning a 1995 BMW sedan that I kept out of warranty, I'm never buying another one of those again.  The Germans can engineer mechanics, but they can't seem to get their head wrapped around a proper electronic system.
 
2014-01-01 09:11:18 PM
"My 2011 20Chrysler 0 has been flawless for over 2 years "

Definitely better than my typing, meaning my 2011 Chrysler 200.
/that's what it was supposed to say.
 
2014-01-01 09:17:24 PM
"I like the Fiats, but the improvements in the actual Chrysler line have been mostly cosmetic."

Bullshiat, Lsherm, you're talking out of your ass.
The 200 only shares a floor pan with the previous Sebring, the rest of the vehicle is new.
One thing I noticed when changing my brake pads were the threaded section of the brake pad pins were larger and harder to cross thread. The whole car has little improvements in it like that.
False posts like that is why I have you favorited like this. :"(favorite: anti Chrysler dumb fark)
 
2014-01-01 09:17:39 PM

Kurmudgeon: Yeah, they quit making those a decade ago.


Which only reinforces their failure.  The 300M was one hell of a ride.
 
2014-01-01 09:27:30 PM
"Which only reinforces their failure. The 300M was one hell of a ride."

Make up your mind, you either liked the 300M or you didn't.
I liked the 300M, but a decade old design wouldn't be too competitive now. However if I found a clean used one I'd probably buy it.
My sister had one and loved it, drove the wheels off it.
You're just here to biatch, I expect.
 
2014-01-01 09:30:23 PM
"You have other suggestions?"
No thanks.
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2014-01-01 09:46:06 PM

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?


Just about anything,

A FWD Jeep is an abomination.  So sayeth the Lord.
 
2014-01-01 09:48:33 PM

Great_Milenko: Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?

Just about anything,

A FWD Jeep is an abomination.  So sayeth the Lord.


Oops.  Posted that before the Range Rover comment.  So please read the above as "Just about anything but a Range Rover"
 
2014-01-01 10:01:25 PM
We will probably get this

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Alfa Romeo 4c
 
2014-01-01 10:03:08 PM
I've been considering buying Fiat stock for a while. If Daimler can't make Chrysler work, I doubt Fiat can.

The Chrysler brands are great, Jeep, Challenger, and the Dart even looks good for an economy car. Maybe if Fiat has full control they can move to a right to work state like BMW in South Carolina.

But Fiat is traded on OTC Pink, no reporting responsibilities, so is risky.

/Own a Challenger, love it.
//But want a Raptor.
 
2014-01-01 10:15:16 PM

spaten: I've been considering buying Fiat stock for a while. If Daimler can't make Chrysler work, I doubt Fiat can.

The Chrysler brands are great, Jeep, Challenger, and the Dart even looks good for an economy car. Maybe if Fiat has full control they can move to a right to work state like BMW in South Carolina.

But Fiat is traded on OTC Pink, no reporting responsibilities, so is risky.

/Own a Challenger, love it.
//But want a Raptor.


Daimler's running of Chrysler was a bit of a mess, and it isn't entirely clear that they were trying to make Chrysler work as well as it could.  They used Chrysler to help spread around development costs and increase economies of scale for certain shared components and platforms, but Daimler's focus was, and will always be, MB.  From what I've read the German overlords always viewed Chrysler with a bit of disdain, and tried to do things on the cheap as much as possible.

Fiat didn't have a mass market presence in the US before they bought in, and most of Fiat's brands in Europe compete in the same segments as Chrysler in the US, so more of what they do can be translated directly.  It's interesting that the most traditionally American cars on the road, the full size RWD 300 and Charger, were developed under a German company and perfected under an Italian one.

As far as moving factories go, I hope they don't.  Right to work states are bullshiat (even though I live in one, I wish it had a strong union culture) and I do pay attention to where the vehicles I buy are built.  Though it's not the only factor, something that was built in a union shop is a definite plus.
 
2014-01-01 10:28:52 PM

Notabunny: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the next Challenger.


Hate to tell you this, but the Space Shuttle program is over.
 
2014-01-01 10:28:59 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Ugh. looks like a slimmed down Pontiac Aztek to me....

/ I guess if you need cargo space it will be OK...


The headlights remind me of Clint Eastwood.
 
2014-01-01 10:34:16 PM

Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?


New?

$ - Mazda CX5 FWD with manual
$$ - Subaru Outback 6cyl
$$$ - VW Toureg diesel
 
2014-01-01 10:39:37 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I had a Chrysler 300M that cost as much to keep on the road as a Maserati, so...


So? At least now you'll be able to drive it in and say, "Fix it again Tony."
 
2014-01-01 10:44:23 PM
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Even though they might be 100% Italian owned, Chrysler sure manages to remain more American than GM or Ford.  No shortage of opportunities for affordable American rumble.

spaten: Maybe if Fiat has full control they can move to a right to work state like BMW in South Carolina.

Thanks to ALEC's multi-state insurrection of the Rust Belt, you already have that.  However, I think you want the Southern "know thy place" mindset of labor to go with it - since Michigan had to referendum-proof it to prevent an Ohio-like repudiation.  That is, We The People couldn't be trusted in Michigan as much as they could be in South Carolina to support the law.

Thankfully Ohioans made that nonsense DIAF with a 62-38 margin, and Governor Kasich respected the outcome.  As a result, we're the only state to have survived ALEC's attempts to install a labor law.  That, and the lack of RTW since 1958 hasn't stopped Honda from making fine golfcarts in Marysville.

If Chrysler were to move anywhere, Toledo would be a better choice to avoid the RTW nonsense.  Unless you're willing to count employer unions (such as staffing agencies, contract labor, and Employers of Record) in the consent rule, it is a defective law.
 
2014-01-01 11:03:56 PM
Fix It Again Tony
 
2014-01-01 11:14:04 PM

MrEricSir: Notabunny: I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the next Challenger.

Hate to tell you this, but the Space Shuttle program is over.


Hate to tell you this, that shuttle exploded a while back.
 
2014-01-01 11:16:12 PM

Great_Milenko: Great_Milenko: Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?

Just about anything,

A FWD Jeep is an abomination.  So sayeth the Lord.

Oops.  Posted that before the Range Rover comment.  So please read the above as "Just about anything but a Range Rover"


Jeep has been making FWD SUVs for several years now, such as the Patriot.

for the talk about Dodge: it is a dead brand walking. The 200 is being redone on the Dart platform, and the Avenger & Journey redos were pushed back to 2016 & the Caravan is getting the ax.

for Alfa: Fiat has been claiming that Alfa was headed back to the US for years, even before the merger with Chrysler. Call be a skeptic as to if its for real this time. Fiat also screwed over its dealer network with the Alfa relaunch, as they will only be sold via Maserati dealers.
 
2014-01-01 11:17:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Who would have predicted that the quality of Chrysler's vehicles would soar under ownership by Fiat after plummeting under ownership by Mercedes?


Quality? Soar? Not according to Consumer Reports. Unless maybe, possibly sucking slightly less counts as soaring.
 
2014-01-01 11:21:30 PM

dumbobruni: Great_Milenko: Great_Milenko: Beerguy: Marcus Aurelius: Beerguy: I don't know how to feel about this....I am getting ready to buy one of these next week,

[image.automobilemag.com image 850x531]

Can I talk you down?

You have other suggestions?

Just about anything,

A FWD Jeep is an abomination.  So sayeth the Lord.

Oops.  Posted that before the Range Rover comment.  So please read the above as "Just about anything but a Range Rover"

Jeep has been making FWD SUVs for several years now, such as the Patriot.

for the talk about Dodge: it is a dead brand walking. The 200 is being redone on the Dart platform, and the Avenger & Journey redos were pushed back to 2016 & the Caravan is getting the ax.

for Alfa: Fiat has been claiming that Alfa was headed back to the US for years, even before the merger with Chrysler. Call be a skeptic as to if its for real this time. Fiat also screwed over its dealer network with the Alfa relaunch, as they will only be sold via Maserati dealers.


Dodge does seem redundant to a degree now that they've spun of Ram into its own brand.  They could conceivably just keep Chrysler around for the cars and move all of the dealerships to Chrysler/Jeep/Ram combo stores to cover all of the bases.

GM has the same issue with GMC - every GMC vehicle is just a rebadge of a Chevy with varying degrees of different body work and interiors.  GM did a good job giving Pontiac and Saturn the axe, I'm not sure why GMC survived that other than to give Buick dealers a truck line.
 
2014-01-01 11:22:04 PM

Marcus Aurelius: I had a Chrysler 300M that cost as much to keep on the road as a Maserati, so...


For at least the last 20 or so years, the choice in cars has been buy a Honda or Toyota, or pay to put your mechanic's kid thru dental school. How any other car company stays in business boggles my mind.
 
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