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2014-01-01 11:11:51 AM  
9 votes:
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2014-01-01 10:56:14 AM  
8 votes:

SauronWasFramed: they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).


It's really unfair to force insurance companies to cover maternity care for men. Their annual costs for such coverage could end up being nearly $0, which will surely bankrupt them.
2014-01-01 11:11:42 AM  
6 votes:

SauronWasFramed: But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).


And if you're a young person it covers arthritis even if you aren't likely to have it for decades, that's how insurance works. My insurance covers cancer treatment even if I don't currently have cancer. My car insurance covers accidents even if I'm not currently in an accident.
2014-01-01 11:36:57 AM  
5 votes:

SauronWasFramed: So we have 3 million that have signed up.

But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).


I pay collision on my car insurance, and I've never been in a crash.  Thanks, Obama
2014-01-01 11:26:25 AM  
5 votes:

TV's Vinnie: FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.

You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.


Apparently Sauron was framed.
2014-01-01 10:08:29 AM  
5 votes:
The thousand years of darkness Chuck Norris has warned us about has begun.  Surely poor/sick people having health care will not end well.
2014-01-01 11:59:02 AM  
4 votes:

Granny_Panties: 19 Kilo: TV's Vinnie: FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.

You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.

Apparently Sauron was framed.

He was a big eye on top of a tower. I didn't see any frame.


Are you sure you didn't just miss it?
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2014-01-01 10:34:19 AM  
4 votes:
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My GOD.....the horror....the horror
2014-01-01 12:25:25 PM  
3 votes:

ace in your face: My parents are saving over $900 a month to cover BOTH of them (my father was previously uninsured) on the silver level, compared to paying for the previous extremely shiatty plan my mother had for just herself. She is healthy and 61. He is 62 and has extreme back problems and cataracts that he will finally be able to get removed. It's amazing, this has been SUCH a blessing for him,and thus our whole family.


no no noNO!NO!NO!

THIS IS THE PROBLEM! IF OLD PEOPLE USE UP ALL THE HEATHCARE THERE WILL BE NO DOCTORS FOR JOB CREATORS LEFT!!!!

DEATH PANELS!
2014-01-01 12:09:14 PM  
3 votes:
I imagine that right now in the Fox News offices, there's a bounty for the first person who comes up with the first big occurrence of an Obamacare failure (not that the same failure wouldn't have happened pre-ACA) so they can broadcast the important story to all of us - of course omitting several key mitigating aspects.  Something like this bounty schedule:

Insured person denied coverage for routine procedure - $1000
Insured person has to wait more than 4 hours - $500
Insured person gets wrong treatment - $2000
Insured person dies - $5000
Insured pregnant woman loses baby - $20000
Insured young white pregnant mother and baby die, with footage of distraught young, white, Iraq-veteran father, the surviving toddler son, and her evangelical parents bravely, yet tearfully, putting their lives back together with soulful piano background music and closing with soft-focus closeup of a teddy bear - $100000
2014-01-01 11:44:05 AM  
3 votes:

SauronWasFramed: But have your policies been declared null and void by the government?


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"Yep!"
2014-01-01 11:41:07 AM  
3 votes:

TV's Vinnie: FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.

You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.


I haven't been able to break out this overkill of a list in awhile...

Authoritarian Collectivist Dictator-for-life and PresiDebt BaReefer HUSSEIN Fartbama al-Chicago is more evil than the combined evil of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Vladmir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Josef Mengele, Vlad the Impaler, Emperor Hirohito, Ivan the Terrible, King Leopold II, Idi Amin, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Attila the Hun, Elizabeth Bathory, Irma Grese, Queen Isabella, Timothy McVeigh, James Holmes, Anders Breivik, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, the Zodiac Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Lord Voldemort, Sauron, Hannibal Lecter, Vito and Michael Corleone, Nurse Ratched, Joffrey Baratheon, Aerys Targaryan, Magneto, Lex Luthor, the Joker, Galactus, Thanos, Davros, the Master, Rassilon, Cthulhu, Beelzebub, and Satan all tetrated to the hyperpower of Graham's number.
2014-01-01 11:29:48 AM  
3 votes:

19 Kilo: Just like we've never had pure communism, pure libertarianism, pure socializum or any other pure thing.


Of course, paraphrasing certain wishful luminaries, pure communism hasn't actually failed.  We failed  it.

"Wishful luminaries" in the literal sense, as in "I wish someone would set them on fire."
2014-01-01 11:24:35 AM  
3 votes:

FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.


You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.
2014-01-01 11:23:39 AM  
3 votes:
Filthy Rich People: "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! How will we deplete the herd of poors if they stop getting sick and dying? I like watching poor people die! DAMN YOU OBAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!"
2014-01-01 10:45:15 AM  
3 votes:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!111oneoneeleventyone1!
2014-01-01 10:15:10 AM  
3 votes:
Thanks Obama
2014-01-01 05:35:08 PM  
2 votes:
Hello, I'm British.

My health insurance is :Go to hospital. Tell them your name (or don't). Get treated.

My expenses: Maybe have to pay for coffee if I'm an out-patient.

It's great.


/sorry, just had to stick it in there.
2014-01-01 04:38:21 PM  
2 votes:

fatassbastard: randomjsa: And millions more are losing it.

Ready to admit liberals were wrong about ObamaCare yet? Since... well, pretty much everything all the critics said would happen, has happened, in spite of liberals swearing it would never happen.

fatassbastard: ...vague, unsupported criticisms and sophomoric insults.


What do you think the JSA stands for?

Jock Strap Aroma
Just shiat Anywhere
2014-01-01 02:15:50 PM  
2 votes:

LoneWolf343: those people who had their plans cancelled can now get new, better insured. They aren't uninsured forever.


That's crazy. Don't you remember the old saying from Tennessee? At least it's in Texas, so they probably have in Tennessee: "Insure me once, shame on you. Insure me twice...can't get insured again."
2014-01-01 01:37:23 PM  
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).


I think it's terrible that normal men have to exactly the same rate for insurance as a defective woman.

If women wanted to pay the same rate as normal people, they should have thought of that before they decided to be a woman.
2014-01-01 01:06:55 PM  
2 votes:
So Fartbongo's rape begins. Mr Fart please pull your big juicy hog from the torn tender anus of Muricans, we cannot handle that much meat. We need a tender slender buggerin, the GOP way. Their flaccid tiny penis slappin' our face is preferred to yer giant humper. Then shove it down our throat. But none of this is sexual or innuendo, you dirty minded perverts. We GOPers just like to use facerape metaphors that are not facerape metaphors.


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2014-01-01 12:34:08 PM  
2 votes:

SauronWasFramed: So we have 3 million that have signed up.

But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).

In other words we are whooping it up because there are 2 million less insured.


/ if you can't afford the premiums, how will you pay the deductibles?

//  my bronze policy quote:$940 a month with a $12600 deductible. No subsidy. Not affordable


Typical whiny libulardo. Get bootstrappy, moonbeam.
2014-01-01 12:26:11 PM  
2 votes:

ace in your face: My parents are saving over $900 a month to cover BOTH of them (my father was previously uninsured) on the silver level, compared to paying for the previous extremely shiatty plan my mother had for just herself. She is healthy and 61. He is 62 and has extreme back problems and cataracts that he will finally be able to get removed. It's amazing, this has been SUCH a blessing for him,and thus our whole family.


I think you meant to say that it's the worse thing since Hitler.
2014-01-01 12:06:45 PM  
2 votes:

ELKAY: My husband and I are thinking of switching to a plan we found on ACA's website. Right now we have insurance through his employer, our portion to cover both of us is 500$ a month, but the deductibles are insanely high. Plus its Kaiser so if we get sick when traveling outside of the state we are screwed.

On the ACA website we found a gold level blue cross and blue shield plan that would cost us 450$ a month, with no deductibles. We are holding off on signing up until my husband meets with his HR head next week to show him the plan he found. We don't want to pull out of our group plan and screw anybody over, but when my husband told HR about this plan they asked him to come with all the details since they may want to call blue cross and blue shield and move the whole company over.


no no noNoNoNoNO!!!!

NONONONONO!

you are part of the problem spreading obongofartcare!

THEY WILL DEATH PANEL YOUR ENTIRE COMPANY!!!
2014-01-01 12:00:30 PM  
2 votes:

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Health insurance = gas chambers.  WHAR is BIRF CERTIFICT for MUslin Kenyan?

2014-01-01 11:59:55 AM  
2 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: SauronWasFramed: So we have 3 million that have signed up.

But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).

In other words we are whooping it up because there are 2 million less insured.


/ if you can't afford the premiums, how will you pay the deductibles?

//  my bronze policy quote:$940 a month with a $12600 deductible. No subsidy. Not affordable

That sounds strange to me. My wife and kid were on a policy - bare bones and expensive , as she had cancer 10 years ago. Her policy, about $550 per month, was so crappy it didn't meet minimum ACA standards. So BC/BS forced her onto their shiattiest ACA compliant bronze plan. $240 a month for the two of them for better coverage than she had. Deductible lower than your quote, too. Not saying that's not the quote you got, but that seems strange.


This one time I had insurance and it was really great and then Obamacare made me get gay married to a turtle in a FEMA camp by a Death Star Panel.  True story.
2014-01-01 11:51:18 AM  
2 votes:
For many admirers of Jesus, it remains His responsibility to minister to the sick and the poor. So there.
2014-01-01 11:47:42 AM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: Always talk about the success of a failure in the ephemeral.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
2014-01-01 11:42:24 AM  
2 votes:
Some consumers will go to doctors, hospitals and drugstores believing they have enrolled in a health plan, only to find that the company has no record of them. That is what happened in January 2006 when a prescription drug benefit was added to Medicare.

And, as we all know, that failure literally destroyed America.
2014-01-01 11:36:48 AM  
2 votes:

Mrbogey: derp


"Sorry folks. It's the law of the land. Nothing can be done." -- some troll
2014-01-01 11:32:15 AM  
2 votes:
The invisible hand of the market will take its revenge.
2014-01-01 11:31:04 AM  
2 votes:
This is the day America died.*baldeaglecrying.jpg*
2014-01-01 11:29:16 AM  
2 votes:

19 Kilo: Davros


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WHOOPS, WRONG THREAD
2014-01-01 11:26:24 AM  
2 votes:
GOP: But... but once they are born, we try to kill them! You're not helping!
2014-01-01 11:08:42 AM  
2 votes:
This is bad news... For Obama.
2014-01-01 10:53:37 AM  
2 votes:
So we have 3 million that have signed up.

But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).

In other words we are whooping it up because there are 2 million less insured.


/ if you can't afford the premiums, how will you pay the deductibles?

//  my bronze policy quote:$940 a month with a $12600 deductible. No subsidy. Not affordable
2014-01-01 10:47:58 AM  
2 votes:
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2014-01-01 10:37:03 AM  
2 votes:
remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.
2014-01-01 10:11:54 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-01-01 04:27:50 PM  
1 votes:
And millions more are losing it.

Ready to admit liberals were wrong about ObamaCare yet? Since... well, pretty much everything all the critics said would happen, has happened, in spite of liberals swearing it would never happen.
2014-01-01 04:08:02 PM  
1 votes:

fatassbastard: Daraymann: ...stupid, overbearing and solves nothing.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the face of empty, blind partisanship.


How purely ironic of you.

If the mandatory part was dropped, I would have no problem with "Affordable" Health Care.  Too bad both sides are so drunk on there own propaganda that that will never happen.

/Getting told by two farkers named fartmachine and fatass made my day
//eyeroll
2014-01-01 02:58:44 PM  
1 votes:

Daraymann: That's because they have to get insurance, or pay up and still not have it, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

/Farking liberals.


Yes, having healthcare is the worst thing ever.
2014-01-01 02:56:21 PM  
1 votes:
RoyBatty:But I am surprised at how many people think $250 / month plus $5000+ deductibles are reasonable.

I've never had a plan with more than a $2000 deductible. I think that with the exception of three years (across five decades) where my health expenses were $100K plus, my health expenses were more like $250 for the entire year. I would never spend more those years than $5000.

So a $5000 deductible PLUS $250 per month does seem like a huge increase to me.


I'm confused. The rate you think isn't very reasonable would take over a century to cover the cost of the care you've incurred, and you're still typing that you think it's a significant burden.
2014-01-01 02:39:35 PM  
1 votes:

bigsteve3OOO: The ACA is finally here!!  I hope it works because I love America and Americans.  If it does not work remember who forced it on us in the middle of a holiday night using a parliamentary trick.  My president Obama.  He owns it.  If it does good he is a hero.  If it does bad he is an ass.  This is his and his alone.


LOL.  I live in Minnesota, and I say exactly the same thing every day.  When I see someone driving down the road, I say "I hope you get where you're going, because this is American and I love Americans."  But when I see someone with a car full of kids stalled out with a dead battery in the -20 degree frigid cold, I just laugh and say, "you are in a bad spot because you are an ass.  That dead battery is yours and yours alone.  You own it."

I drive away and laugh when that happens.  Not my problem if their kids freeze and die.  I love Americans, but not enough to miss my favorite TV show.
2014-01-01 02:26:39 PM  
1 votes:

jjorsett: as evidenced by the ad hoc and chaotic nature of the delays and changes that they're making almost on a daily basis


Couldn't those delays and changes to policy also be the result of careful consideration of various points of contention brought up by critics and concerned parties in order to make application of the law better? Nawww! What am I thinking? It's obviously evidence of total failure. Thanks Obama!
2014-01-01 02:08:39 PM  
1 votes:

Eddie Adams from Torrance: SauronWasFramed: they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).

It's really unfair to force insurance companies to cover maternity care for men. Their annual costs for such coverage could end up being nearly $0, which will surely bankrupt them.


No, the problem is forcing group A to share in paying for coverage that only group B can take advantage of, something they wouldn't do voluntarily. So they have to be coerced by eliminating all the alternatives. This applies in both directions, women get birth coverage, men get boner pills for example. Likewise young people are being forced to share in the much higher costs incurred by covering the old. The central conceit of Obamacare is that it has substituted the judgement of bureaucrats and politicians for the marketplace, and the only way it can possibly make that work is by force and fiat. Unfortunately for them, as evidenced by the ad hoc and chaotic nature of the delays and changes that they're making almost on a daily basis, it doesn't work.
2014-01-01 01:50:29 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: Three Crooked Squirrels: SauronWasFramed: So we have 3 million that have signed up.

But there were 15 million that were uninsured and another 5 million that lost their policies because they didn't include free birth control (even if you are a post menopausal woman) or maternity care (for men).

In other words we are whooping it up because there are 2 million less insured.


/ if you can't afford the premiums, how will you pay the deductibles?

//  my bronze policy quote:$940 a month with a $12600 deductible. No subsidy. Not affordable

That sounds strange to me. My wife and kid were on a policy - bare bones and expensive , as she had cancer 10 years ago. Her policy, about $550 per month, was so crappy it didn't meet minimum ACA standards. So BC/BS forced her onto their shiattiest ACA compliant bronze plan. $240 a month for the two of them for better coverage than she had. Deductible lower than your quote, too. Not saying that's not the quote you got, but that seems strange.

No subsidy means he's making more than 400% of poverty level.


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I know these are not healthcare related figured, but it shows the same about of sympathy I have for him.
2014-01-01 01:43:27 PM  
1 votes:
But Richie Rich will only be able to afford a 105 ft yacht this year in stead of the 106 ft one! Socializmmmmm!!! Gaaaahh!!!
2014-01-01 01:39:17 PM  
1 votes:

Mrbogey: Always talk about the success of a failure in the ephemeral. Never allow the facts to be introduced because nothing can be defeated if kept nebulous and theoretical.


Tell you what, for every one FACT (as in verified truth) you introduce that invalidates Obamacare as a success, I will introduce THREE insane talking points that conservative pundits or politicians reported as FACT. Shall we see who runs out first?
2014-01-01 01:21:21 PM  
1 votes:

clambam: At any time since the 1980′s, during their twenty years in the White House, the Republicans could have instituted something similar to the ACA, and yet they consistently chose not to. Not only that, but whenever the Democrats proposed something along these lines the Republicans fought it tooth and nail, right up to, as we've seen, shutting down the government rather than acceding to the will of the people.


The invisible hand has not done it's magic in the last 30 years, but it should be allowed to continue to try.

Perhaps tax cuts will help.
2014-01-01 01:01:03 PM  
1 votes:

Bareefer Obonghit: I want you all to remember that nothing you say here will mean anything. That's why I always recommend ridicule and humor over reason.


Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries
2014-01-01 01:00:03 PM  
1 votes:
I have to say, "... and there's nothing anyone can do about it" is spot-on.  When I talk with these people IRL they sound like they're on the brink of tears.  Because poor people. Will. Get. Health. Care.

A relative told me that I was one of the "losers" with the ACA, as I'm going to be subsidizing poor peoples' health care.  "Yeah, that's the idea, and I count it as a win."

Seeing the red states screw their own because REASONS gives me equal measures of schadenfreude and horror.
2014-01-01 12:55:08 PM  
1 votes:
I want you all to remember that nothing you say here will mean anything. That's why I always recommend ridicule and humor over reason.
2014-01-01 12:55:00 PM  
1 votes:

friday13: Did you even bother to check for subsidies? cuz when I give you a $75K income (no idea how accurate that is), you get a subsidy of almost a grand, dropping your numbers down to A farkING DOLLAR after the deductible on that bronze plan, with the PLATINUM plan being $381, $2000 deductible, $20 co-pay. Unless you're making $100,000 a year, which I doubt for some reason, you're either a liar or an idiot. Either way I'd suggest you move, because Humana sucks ass.


He's both a liar and an idiot.
2014-01-01 12:39:08 PM  
1 votes:
The end times are upon us. Everybody pray.
2014-01-01 12:35:42 PM  
1 votes:
Wow.  I just checked the Washington exchange for the first time, since both my husband and I have full, no premium coverage through work.  I figured that covering both of us and the baby we have on the way would be crazy.

Nope.  Three people, $750 yearly deductible, $0 copay=$580/month.

That's only around twice what it will cost us out of pocket just to add the kid to my husband's plan, and more than what it would cost to add me and the kid if I lost my job.  And that's one of the most expensive plans out there.

Truly, this is the day America dies.
2014-01-01 12:26:15 PM  
1 votes:

Farnn: Heliovdrake: Farnn: JolobinSmokin: Farnn: Great, people have health care, and the insurance companies are making billions off this law because they had a big hand in writing it.  And the people who actually wrote it are making millions because only they can decipher it for everyone else.  And people are forced to get coverage for more than they need/want.  Young people shouldn't need much more than catastrophic coverage with a high deductible.  Older people who generally need more health care also tend to have more money to afford higher premiums.  All these young people who have championed health care for all have gotten screwed and they don't even realize it.

Because we will never get old, right?

Way to think ahead.

My 54 year old uncle got a bronze plan for $289/ month and a $5600 ded.  No subsidy, how awful.

So the 27 year old who makes 40k a year should be helping to subsidize your uncle?  Rates should go up as you age because the amount of care you need goes up.   And you share the risk and burden with everyone else in your age group.  Young people have enough costs these days with student debt and a stagnant economy, why not allow to them to maybe save a bit for retirement because it's doubtful Social Security will be around by the time they retire.

It's really like you have no idea how insurance and risk pools work.

The risk pool doesn't need to be the entire population, you can create risk pools of those who are actually at risk of suffering from those conditions and alter prices accordingly.  Young people should have very low insurance costs because their risks are low.   As a 28 year old, should my prostate cancer coverage cost be the same as my 65 year old fathers?  Insurance rates should be based on the cost of treatment and the likelihood you will need treatment, not the total cost of the treatment across the entire insured population divided by the number of members.   Sorry if I think young adults shouldn't be crippled by high insurance premium ...


You could also narrow the risk pool down even further by eliminating insurance. Everybody is on their own. A risk pool of one. Just look at all the money you'll save if you are never sick or injured.
2014-01-01 12:18:12 PM  
1 votes:
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2014-01-01 12:16:41 PM  
1 votes:

Farnn: Great, people have health care, and the insurance companies are making billions off this law because they had a big hand in writing it.  And the people who actually wrote it are making millions because only they can decipher it for everyone else.  And people are forced to get coverage for more than they need/want.  Young people shouldn't need much more than catastrophic coverage with a high deductible. Older people who generally need more health care also tend to have more money to afford higher premiums.  All these young people who have championed health care for all have gotten screwed and they don't even realize it.


Hi there, I just turned 29.  Thank you for picking out what healthcare coverage I need and don't need!   I'll tell my girlfriend/future wife, "Honey, sorry about that Maternity coverage, we just need catastrophic coverage with a high deductible.  No more kids for us."   And her autistic 10 year old son who would become my step-son and come onto my insurance policy?  I'll have to find some way to relate to him that he cant have his occupational therapies which have enabled him to do things like, talk, stop peeing the bed, relate what he's saying in a coherent manner, etc, because we just have catastrophic coverage.

Again, thank YOU for picking out what healthcare insurance I needed!   I'z jus' a dum bastahd and dunz knowz whatsis any gud fer myself!  


You smug f*cking prick, go eat a bullet and rid this country of the problem.
2014-01-01 12:13:43 PM  
1 votes:

ELKAY: My husband and I are thinking of switching to a plan we found on ACA's website. Right now we have insurance through his employer, our portion to cover both of us is 500$ a month, but the deductibles are insanely high. Plus its Kaiser so if we get sick when traveling outside of the state we are screwed.

On the ACA website we found a gold level blue cross and blue shield plan that would cost us 450$ a month, with no deductibles. We are holding off on signing up until my husband meets with his HR head next week to show him the plan he found. We don't want to pull out of our group plan and screw anybody over, but when my husband told HR about this plan they asked him to come with all the details since they may want to call blue cross and blue shield and move the whole company over.


And if HR moves the whole company to BCBS, that's a whole company technically losing its insurance because of Obamacare (no comment about replacing it with a better plan).  They lost their insurance!!!!!!
2014-01-01 12:13:05 PM  
1 votes:

Farnn: JolobinSmokin: Farnn: Great, people have health care, and the insurance companies are making billions off this law because they had a big hand in writing it.  And the people who actually wrote it are making millions because only they can decipher it for everyone else.  And people are forced to get coverage for more than they need/want.  Young people shouldn't need much more than catastrophic coverage with a high deductible.  Older people who generally need more health care also tend to have more money to afford higher premiums.  All these young people who have championed health care for all have gotten screwed and they don't even realize it.

Because we will never get old, right?

Way to think ahead.

My 54 year old uncle got a bronze plan for $289/ month and a $5600 ded.  No subsidy, how awful.

So the 27 year old who makes 40k a year should be helping to subsidize your uncle?  Rates should go up as you age because the amount of care you need goes up.   And you share the risk and burden with everyone else in your age group.  Young people have enough costs these days with student debt and a stagnant economy, why not allow to them to maybe save a bit for retirement because it's doubtful Social Security will be around by the time they retire.


It's really like you have no idea how insurance and risk pools work.
2014-01-01 11:57:04 AM  
1 votes:

Three Crooked Squirrels: SauronWasFramed:

/ if you can't afford the premiums, how will you pay the deductibles?

//  my bronze policy quote:$940 a month with a $12600 deductible. No subsidy. Not affordable

That sounds strange to me. My wife and kid were on a policy - bare bones and expensive , as she had cancer 10 years ago. Her policy, about $550 per month, was so crappy it didn't meet minimum ACA standards. So BC/BS forced her onto their shiattiest ACA compliant bronze plan. $240 a month for the two of them for better coverage than she had. Deductible lower than your quote, too. Not saying that's not the quote you got, but that seems strange.


Nope, you're correct. He's either lying or has enough health problems that it's probably just time to head out to pasture and check out the rabbits.

My bronze is $165/mo with a $5,000 deductible.
2014-01-01 11:52:35 AM  
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mjjt: The interesting thing will be whether Fox news holds their feet to the fire


The answer is they won't.
2014-01-01 11:48:49 AM  
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Serious Black: TV's Vinnie: FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.

You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.

I haven't been able to break out this overkill of a list in awhile...

Authoritarian Collectivist Dictator-for-life and PresiDebt BaReefer HUSSEIN Fartbama al-Chicago is more evil than the combined evil of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Vladmir Lenin, Josef Stalin, Josef Mengele, Vlad the Impaler, Emperor Hirohito, Ivan the Terrible, King Leopold II, Idi Amin, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden, Attila the Hun, Elizabeth Bathory, Irma Grese, Queen Isabella, Timothy McVeigh, James Holmes, Anders Breivik, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, the Zodiac Killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, Albert Fish, Darth Vader, Emperor Palpatine, Lord Voldemort, Sauron, Hannibal Lecter, Vito and Michael Corleone, Nurse Ratched, Joffrey Baratheon, Aerys Targaryan, Magneto, Lex Luthor, the Joker, Galactus, Thanos, Davros, the Master, Rassilon, Cthulhu, Beelzebub, and Satan all tetrated to the hyperpower of Graham's number.


Where are the Kingpin, Doctor Doom, Arioch and Torak?
2014-01-01 11:44:06 AM  
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FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.


They will excuse the ridiculous rhetoric on the grounds that they were passionate about it.

Next tactic is obviously to trot out as many 'victims' as they can, but that will get boring fast.

The interesting thing will be whether Fox news holds their feet to the fire and asks the GOP

1) are you going to take away people's newly acquired insurance?

2) if not, how will you change it (in a way that satisfies TP) ?
2014-01-01 11:41:19 AM  
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Thankfully, some of us are still unable to partake of the ebil insurance because we live in states that didn't expand medicare/medicaid.  Thanks Kansas GOP for keeping me safe from affordable healthcare!
2014-01-01 11:38:06 AM  
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Farnn: Young people shouldn't need much more than catastrophic coverage with a high deductible.


Yup. They don't need it, right up until they do.

SauronWasFramed: But have your policies been declared null and void by the government?


Lol.
2014-01-01 11:36:40 AM  
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Mrbogey: Always talk about the success of a failure in the ephemeral. Never allow the facts to be introduced because nothing can be defeated if kept nebulous and theoretical.


*facepalm* at least read the article.
2014-01-01 11:33:12 AM  
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But once this is a big success, how many of you will remember to thank your local GOP representative?

/by voting his/her ass out of office?
2014-01-01 11:32:47 AM  
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A series of last-minute changes in rules and deadlines for people to sign up and pay premiums have left less time for insurers to activate coverage and issue identification cards, adding to the uncertainty caused by the troubled rollout of the health exchange.
"There will be a lot of confusion," said Brian D. Caswell, a former president of the Kansas Pharmacists Association, who owns a drugstore in rural Baxter Springs. "Many people will get insurance cards, but will not have a clue what's covered, what's not covered and what they are supposed to pay."


For goodness sakes, it's not rocket surgery. If the bolded part is true, it is basically because those people are idiots and hasn't a damned thing to do with the ACA.
2014-01-01 11:30:03 AM  
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19 Kilo: TV's Vinnie: FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.

You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.

Apparently Sauron was framed.


He was a big eye on top of a tower. I didn't see any frame.
2014-01-01 11:28:55 AM  
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19 Kilo: TV's Vinnie: FlashHarry: remember: to republicans, this is literally worse than hitler, stalin and al qaeda combined.

You forgot to add Sauron, Voldemort, and Davros as well.

Apparently Sauron was framed.


Substitute Soros

/close enough
2014-01-01 11:25:26 AM  
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"With coverage," she said, "I can be my best self. Health insurance won't control my job choices."

Thanks, Obama.
2014-01-01 11:24:31 AM  
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Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 616x457]

==

My GOD.....the horror....the horror


I've been told by countless people on conservative message boards that because that man can get help, it's the same as Obama coming into my house and taking fud away from my cats and children.  Medical care would be totally affordable because all teh gov't intervention has prevented health care from being a truly free market.

Just like we've never had pure communism, pure libertarianism, pure socializum or any other pure thing.
2014-01-01 10:59:43 AM  
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SauronWasFramed: //  my bronze policy quote:$940 a month with a $12600 deductible. No subsidy. Not affordable


Let me shed a tear for the backfat-snorting, rascal-riding populace.
 
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