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2014-01-01 10:54:09 AM  
HP has never recovered from having Carly "The Hatchet" Fiorina as CEO, and won't with executives that don't care if the ships sinks as long as they get to loot the hold. The only thing that could save it now is if a member of the Hewlett or Packard families were able to pull off a takeover, and take the company private.
 
2014-01-01 11:21:53 AM  

uncoveror: HP has never recovered from having Carly "The Hatchet" Fiorina as CEO, and won't with executives that don't care if the ships sinks as long as they get to loot the hold. The only thing that could save it now is if a member of the Hewlett or Packard families were able to pull off a takeover, and take the company private.


Leo was the CEO that really messed things up. He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme). He torpedoed HP's hopes of being a player in the mobile market by sabotaging Palm/webOS and tried to spin off the last vestiges of HPs computer hardware business.

Ah well... my group is profitable and sitting on a new government contract; that and 6 months of severance if they did lay me off means I'm not too worried about things and can tread the waters until I get something big going with my side work.  I get my work done on time and do good work, which makes my boss happy.
 
2014-01-01 11:30:15 AM  
AFAIC, Agilent is "HP".
 
2014-01-01 11:44:42 AM  
I didn't they could get any stupider and then they bought that search company I never heard of Autonomy for like evelenty billion dollars. Oddly the company was a sham which anyone doing an audit could find out.

The people running the company don't have a clue and are just trying to suck the corpse dry. Above poster is right: they need someone with a love of the company and technology to run the place.
 
2014-01-01 11:55:05 AM  

LesserEvil: uncoveror: HP has never recovered from having Carly "The Hatchet" Fiorina as CEO, and won't with executives that don't care if the ships sinks as long as they get to loot the hold. The only thing that could save it now is if a member of the Hewlett or Packard families were able to pull off a takeover, and take the company private.

Leo was the CEO that really messed things up. He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme). He torpedoed HP's hopes of being a player in the mobile market by sabotaging Palm/webOS and tried to spin off the last vestiges of HPs computer hardware business.

Ah well... my group is profitable and sitting on a new government contract; that and 6 months of severance if they did lay me off means I'm not too worried about things and can tread the waters until I get something big going with my side work.  I get my work done on time and do good work, which makes my boss happy.




You sound quite impressive.
 
2014-01-01 11:59:11 AM  
Another year, another round of mass layouts at HP.  I went through that business back in 2006, good farking riddance.
 
2014-01-01 12:16:03 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme).


The SAP vibe is echoed in HP's current offerings (ServiceManager, anyone?). I cringe every time I have to put up a change record.
 
2014-01-01 12:17:35 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: LesserEvil: uncoveror: HP has never recovered from having Carly "The Hatchet" Fiorina as CEO, and won't with executives that don't care if the ships sinks as long as they get to loot the hold. The only thing that could save it now is if a member of the Hewlett or Packard families were able to pull off a takeover, and take the company private.

Leo was the CEO that really messed things up. He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme). He torpedoed HP's hopes of being a player in the mobile market by sabotaging Palm/webOS and tried to spin off the last vestiges of HPs computer hardware business.

Ah well... my group is profitable and sitting on a new government contract; that and 6 months of severance if they did lay me off means I'm not too worried about things and can tread the waters until I get something big going with my side work.  I get my work done on time and do good work, which makes my boss happy.

You sound quite impressive.


I'm working on it.
 
2014-01-01 12:43:17 PM  
"growth through job cuts" is a concept that makes sense only to accountants.  People who actually understand technology as a business understand that growth only comes from compelling product, well marketed and sensibly priced.

Uncoveror has it right - Fiorina was HP's 9/11 and the board became the TSA trying to recover from that attack ... though I think TSA is a little more competent and well thought out.
 
2014-01-01 12:51:09 PM  
My grandfather lived in Palo Alto and knew one of the founders. I was too young to remember which one. He gave all kinds of support to the local short wave radio crew my grandpa belonged to. Seemed like a guy who would be rolling in his grave at what his company has become. Not what they've become, but how they are being run. I know the stock has soared, but they really seem like a shiatty place to work for.
 
2014-01-01 01:18:39 PM  
And Obama's Jobless Recovery keeps chugging along. Can't wait for one month where some company doesn't announce mass layoffs.
 
2014-01-01 01:26:24 PM  

phamwaa: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme).

The SAP vibe is echoed in HP's current offerings (ServiceManager, anyone?). I cringe every time I have to put up a change record.


Unfortunately, there is a cabal of execs who have a love affair with that crap, from both EDS and HP before HP acquired them. I worked in automotive and now I'm doing intranet enterprise apps... I cringe when I have to do time entry (and for whatever reason, a recent group policy change on my HP work laptop has busted IE, it no longer allows me to access HP corporate web pages - though Chrome works fine), the system is ponderous and idiotic. There simply is no excuse for that nonsense on a web site, not even one translating input into a mainframe app (I've worked on those, too). The stuff we design is a lot better, but occasionally we get mired into a "Sharepoint portal" project (not quite as bad as SAP), which gives us little control over making life easier for the user.
 
2014-01-01 02:51:54 PM  

dionysusaur: "growth through job cuts" is a concept that makes sense only to accountants.  People who actually understand technology as a business understand that growth only comes from compelling product, well marketed and sensibly priced.

Uncoveror has it right - Fiorina was HP's 9/11 and the board became the TSA trying to recover from that attack ... though I think TSA is a little more competent and well thought out.


Job cuts aren't bad.  Lots of successful companies make it a policy to routinely cut their lowest performers, regardless of how good that might be.  I've worked at several companies where people were firmly entrenched in the company but had no desire to do any work.  They had decades of experience and high salaries, but didn't pull their weight.  After the job cuts the work environment improved as well as the company's bottom line.
 
2014-01-01 03:00:42 PM  

wooden_badger: AFAIC, Agilent is "HP".


^^^ THIS ^^^

HP/Agilent  VEE is one of the greatest software products I've ever used.

IMHO, If they had the vision to expand it beyond simple automated testing and instrument control, they could have influenced  how the entire software industry operates. Instead, it's been relegated to a limited niche.
 
2014-01-01 03:07:15 PM  

LesserEvil: The stuff we design is a lot better, but occasionally we get mired into a "Sharepoint portal" project (not quite as bad as SAP), which gives us little control over making life easier for the user.


Sharepoint, in the right environment and with its full capabilities exposed (and with a cadre of savvy programmers; always a catch, eh?) can be a powerful platform. The problem is that most projects don't make it past the out-of-the-box flavor, and (in our case anyway) there is a hidebound management layer that won't give its blessing to exposing the more useful elements, e.g. workflows and access to the API.

We input our time in a Sharepoint app developed by offshore. It's clunky, slow, and could have been designed and built much, much more elegantly. Such is life.
 
2014-01-01 03:20:26 PM  

dionysusaur: "growth through job cuts" is a concept that makes sense only to accountants.  People who actually understand technology as a business understand that growth only comes from compelling product, well marketed and sensibly priced.

Uncoveror has it right - Fiorina was HP's 9/11 and the board became the TSA trying to recover from that attack ... though I think TSA is a little more competent and well thought out.


I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught the "growth through job cuts" bullshiat.

I got the axe from HP during Fiorina's tenure, FWIW. The only good thing about here is that she was pretty attractive.
 
2014-01-01 03:59:25 PM  

skinink: And Obama's Jobless Recovery keeps chugging along. Can't wait for one month where some company doesn't announce mass layoffs.


You're trying to politicize horrible management decisions? Put that chicken down.
 
2014-01-01 04:02:19 PM  
coontley Fiorina should have gone to jail for what she did to that company.
 
2014-01-01 04:18:16 PM  
The worst part is they needed $1.4MM in magenta toner cartridges to print the pink slips.
 
2014-01-01 04:39:15 PM  

LesserEvil: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: LesserEvil: uncoveror: HP has never recovered from having Carly "The Hatchet" Fiorina as CEO, and won't with executives that don't care if the ships sinks as long as they get to loot the hold. The only thing that could save it now is if a member of the Hewlett or Packard families were able to pull off a takeover, and take the company private.

Leo was the CEO that really messed things up. He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme). He torpedoed HP's hopes of being a player in the mobile market by sabotaging Palm/webOS and tried to spin off the last vestiges of HPs computer hardware business.

Ah well... my group is profitable and sitting on a new government contract; that and 6 months of severance if they did lay me off means I'm not too worried about things and can tread the waters until I get something big going with my side work.  I get my work done on time and do good work, which makes my boss happy.

You sound quite impressive.

I'm working on it.


Don't you need to be to the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2014-01-01 04:54:36 PM  

Some Bass Playing Guy: dionysusaur: "growth through job cuts" is a concept that makes sense only to accountants.  People who actually understand technology as a business understand that growth only comes from compelling product, well marketed and sensibly priced.

Uncoveror has it right - Fiorina was HP's 9/11 and the board became the TSA trying to recover from that attack ... though I think TSA is a little more competent and well thought out.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught the "growth through job cuts" bullshiat.

I got the axe from HP during Fiorina's tenure, FWIW. The only good thing about here is that she was pretty attractive.


I was in Cupertino (hardware contractor) from 9/2/00 to 9/2/02. The last 4 months I was getting extended 1 week at a time.  I'd have to ask on Fridays if I was expected back the subsequent Monday.  Did wonders for my blood pressure.
 
2014-01-01 04:57:24 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Job cuts aren't bad.  Lots of successful companies make it a policy to routinely cut their lowest performers, regardless of how good that might be.  I've worked at several companies where people were firmly entrenched in the company but had no desire to do any work.  They had decades of experience and high salaries, but didn't pull their weight.  After the job cuts the work environment improved as well as the company's bottom line.


Like Intel's 'ranking' process - something like 20% get tossed twice a year as a matter of policy.  The schmoozers and politicians get to stay, those who focus on getting product out the door don't have time for that nonsense, but they're the ones who actually position the company to make revenue.
 
2014-01-01 05:05:59 PM  

mcreadyblue: LesserEvil: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: LesserEvil: uncoveror: HP has never recovered from having Carly "The Hatchet" Fiorina as CEO, and won't with executives that don't care if the ships sinks as long as they get to loot the hold. The only thing that could save it now is if a member of the Hewlett or Packard families were able to pull off a takeover, and take the company private.

Leo was the CEO that really messed things up. He had a hate-on for hardware, and his software background was SAP (nuff, said.. SAP is a POS bloatware product with a German-engineered GUI that seems focused on schadenfreude as a running theme). He torpedoed HP's hopes of being a player in the mobile market by sabotaging Palm/webOS and tried to spin off the last vestiges of HPs computer hardware business.

Ah well... my group is profitable and sitting on a new government contract; that and 6 months of severance if they did lay me off means I'm not too worried about things and can tread the waters until I get something big going with my side work.  I get my work done on time and do good work, which makes my boss happy.

You sound quite impressive.

I'm working on it.

Don't you need to be to the gym in 26 minutes?


That guy was an obvious poser... my personal trainer will be here in 10 minutes for our workout in my basement facility.

/About my original comments... I was just noting that I have some job security, even at HP. It's a large company, with many groups, some more profitable than others. Dumping a call center could put 5,000 people out of work. In our group, I have yet to see a person laid off in the past 7 years I have been with them.
//Wish I had a "basement facility" - or even a basement that wasn't short enough to make a hobbit stoop.
 
2014-01-01 08:05:53 PM  

dionysusaur: Fark_Guy_Rob: Job cuts aren't bad.  Lots of successful companies make it a policy to routinely cut their lowest performers, regardless of how good that might be.  I've worked at several companies where people were firmly entrenched in the company but had no desire to do any work.  They had decades of experience and high salaries, but didn't pull their weight.  After the job cuts the work environment improved as well as the company's bottom line.

Like Intel's 'ranking' process - something like 20% get tossed twice a year as a matter of policy.  The schmoozers and politicians get to stay, those who focus on getting product out the door don't have time for that nonsense, but they're the ones who actually position the company to make revenue.


HP's layoff "strategy" has nothing to do with performance.  The last round was done by an outside company with no input from middle management and selections were supposedly random so that there would be no appearance of any form of bias.  Oddly, in Procurve at Roseville, the only ones untouched were the ones that had various Christian indicators adorning their cubes.  It was sort of like passover.
 
2014-01-02 12:42:26 AM  
I miss the RPN calculators like the 41 series.
Damn, that was a fine calculator!
 
2014-01-02 05:17:42 AM  
At one time I wouldn't buy any printer/scanner/plotter except HP.  Now I run away from HP.  Crappy hardware, software and support.
On the positive side HP will soon be a case study at all the business schools.
 
2014-01-02 07:06:42 AM  

goodwynn: coontley Fiorina should have gone to jail for what she did to that company.


With the whole "Corporations are people, my friend" attitude getting more popular with the courts, I've been wondering if CEO's who screw up badly can be sent to jail for negligence.  Who am I kidding?  It'll just be used to screw employees.  It would be funny, though.  "Your stock price went down, so you're going to PMITA prison".
 
2014-01-02 08:21:19 AM  

skinink: And Obama's Jobless Recovery keeps chugging along. Can't wait for one month where some company doesn't announce mass layoffs.


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