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2014-01-01 10:37:14 AM
The only issue I have with my 2012 Ford Focus is that I have the trim that has just the basic stereo and no cruise control. Other then that the car is fabulous. I average 30-32 mpg and it feels sporty for an economy car. I am fairly large and I sit comfortably in my car. I rented a Toyota Avalon last week for my roommate and I felt both too tall and large sitting inside, and it is a full size car! Also for it being a premium car it felt...basic.

Ford has come a LONG way, and I applaud them for getting it together. I am seriously eyeing a Explorer to upgrade to in the coming months.
 
2014-01-01 12:22:16 PM
I'm not a Ford guy (I owned two Mavericks, which probably explains why), but I'm impressed with the current line. BIL has a loaded Edge, and it's a pretty sweet ride.
 
2014-01-01 12:47:44 PM
We test drove the Taurus, Fusion, Accord, Azera, Legacy, and Mazda6 looking for the car that was the quietest for long trips.  The Taurus and Azera tied for first, Fusion and Accord tied for second, the Mazda6 was really nice, but noisy, and the Legacy was noisy and thin-skinned.  It was our least-favorite.  My wife, a lifelong Honda fan/owner, was ready to buy the Taurus to replace her 2009 civic hybrid, but I talked her into waiting a few months.

I guess my point here is that Ford actually made a car nice enough to sway my wife's opinion.  Not bad, considering we only stopped at the Ford dealership because they were right next to the Honda dealership.

Also, WTF Subaru?  Your flagship car should not be so damn noisy.
 
2014-01-01 01:17:14 PM

shizbgby_v2: The only issue I have with my 2012 Ford Focus is that I have the trim that has just the basic stereo and no cruise control. Other then that the car is fabulous.


I think the only time I have ever used cruise control was the first time I had it in a car, just to try it out. It's a worthless feature.
 
2014-01-01 02:13:11 PM

HotWingAgenda: shizbgby_v2: The only issue I have with my 2012 Ford Focus is that I have the trim that has just the basic stereo and no cruise control. Other then that the car is fabulous.

I think the only time I have ever used cruise control was the first time I had it in a car, just to try it out. It's a worthless feature.


It depends. It is useful on long drives with low traffic. When there is other traffic around, you can use the those cars to hep you maintain a consistent rate of speed. If there is little to no traffic I find myself drifting up and down in speed by 20 mph, the cruise control helps eliminate that.

It can be annoying to set if there is enough traffic that you need change speeds frequently. The only time I use mine is if I am at a point where I probably would not need to adjust my speed for 10-15 minutes or more.
 
2014-01-01 02:57:18 PM

shizbgby_v2: Ford has come a LONG way, and I applaud them for getting it together. I am seriously eyeing a Explorer to upgrade to in the coming months.


I'd wait a bit if you're looking at the explorer.  The architecture is pretty dated, and will be up for a re-design soonish.  On the other hand, that might mean you could get a good deal on the outgoing model.
 
2014-01-01 03:57:24 PM

HotWingAgenda: I think the only time I have ever used cruise control was the first time I had it in a car, just to try it out. It's a worthless feature.


I've used it since 1972, when you had to install your own. It's great for revenue-hungry cities with radar traps and illegal speed limits. Trying to maintain 30 mph on a six-lane, limited access road is tough.

It also decreases fatigue on long highways trips. Less fatigue means a safer trip and more energy to enjoy the destination.
 
2014-01-01 05:29:07 PM
Im probably picking up a 2014 focus se hatch or fiesta titanium hatch at the end of the year. Any advice from owners?
 
2014-01-01 05:52:52 PM
As a Ford freak, and a Toyota driver, I am very happy to read this.  My 5.0 Mustang gave me less trouble than I deserved, seeing the beating it received, and the Fusion I rented a couple years ago was well, well, well, beyond previous products they've made.  It only took 20+ years, but it looks like the Americans are finally getting on par with the Japanese counterparts.  More success to the domestic brands in the future, indeed!
 
2014-01-01 06:42:20 PM
I needed to downsize, so I traded my '10 F150 (awesome, but I only used it for "trucky" stuff maybe half a dozen times) for a '14 Escape.  I was really surprised by it; I thought being built on the Focus platform would make it too small, but it's really just right. The 2L turbo isn't the one that catches fire, which is a nice bonus :)  Drives halfway decently for what it is, and seems to be reasonably well put-together.  But it's loaded with gizmos and gadgets that I'm a little anxious about becoming a repair headache.

Also, their smartphone-app-link thing that normally comes with Sync *doesn't* work with the "MyFord" interactive doohickey option, so I don't get the handy Pandora linkup I'd like.  The Sirius stuff is mostly lame and sounds like it's in a bathroom most of the time.  But their "services" has weather radar which is kind of handy when not able to peek at the smartphone.  The traffic feature is mostly useless though; wish it worked like Google Maps.

I miss the V8 rumble and power a bit, though.
 
2014-01-01 08:58:09 PM
Own a Fusion because I wanted an American car.

I'm on a first name basis with my mechanic.
 
2014-01-01 10:40:41 PM

TelemonianAjax: Own a Fusion because I wanted an American car.

I'm on a first name basis with my mechanic.


Be glad you don't own a BMW.
 
2014-01-01 10:57:23 PM
We're an all-Ford family now - I have a 2013 C-MAX Hybrid as my daily driver, and a 2007 Shelby GT500 as my fun car.  My wife has a 2010 Focus (manual) as her daily driver, and a 2011 F-150 EcoBoost to tow her horse trailer.  I have been very impressed with Ford's vehicles from 2007 until now, and they keep getting better.  Mother-in-law just got a fully loaded 2014 Escape Titanium, and that little 2.0L EcoBoost engine is a torque monster!
 
2014-01-01 11:58:18 PM

HMS_Blinkin: shizbgby_v2: Ford has come a LONG way, and I applaud them for getting it together. I am seriously eyeing a Explorer to upgrade to in the coming months.

I'd wait a bit if you're looking at the explorer.  The architecture is pretty dated, and will be up for a re-design soonish.  On the other hand, that might mean you could get a good deal on the outgoing model.


The explorer was new for 2013. . .

Otherwise I came to quote this:
" "The great news is that we are not overly reliant on any one segment - we're seeing double-digit sales growth in cars, trucks and utilities," said John Felice, Ford vice president, U.S. marketing, sales and service."

THIS is what Ford did right. When GM and Chrysler were riding along pre bailouts, Ford was restructuring, internationalizing it's platforms, and trimming fat. When the US downturn came, they had the power of a world wide unified (but diverse) market to carry them.

Ford management 06 to present needs a major round of applause.
 
2014-01-02 12:10:24 AM

chasd00: Im probably picking up a 2014 focus se hatch or fiesta titanium hatch at the end of the year. Any advice from owners?


In the aggregate, it looks like owners of both cars would say, "don't buy it."


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2014-01-02 12:40:44 AM

Fellini8.5: I miss the V8 rumble and power a bit, though.


Chrysler can help in that department and GM if you're very careful.   Ford's gone from being an American car company to a Eurotrash one - where they kill off performance to please hippies and throw in a ton of electronics to distract from that shortcoming.


Dr Jack Badofsky: As a Ford freak, and a Toyota driver, I am very happy to read this.  My 5.0 Mustang gave me less trouble than I deserved, seeing the beating it received, and the Fusion I rented a couple years ago was well, well, well, beyond previous products they've made.  It only took 20+ years, but it looks like the Americans are finally getting on par with the Japanese counterparts.  More success to the domestic brands in the future, indeed!


When Ford goes back to being an American car company, it'll be even better news.  Forced air does not make for a cylinder substitute and an I-4 does not belong in half their lineup, much less the 2014 Mustang II.  Until then, I'll go with GM or Chrysler for American cars - unless Ford has something in their lineup >4 cyl, <25k, no EcoBoost, and in car form.


/all but sworn off Ford since they've dropped the Panther and conventional van platforms in exchange for European ones
//If I wanted Eurotrash, I'd have gone to the EU and shipped a LHD version home.
 
2014-01-02 12:43:08 AM

DrPainMD: chasd00: Im probably picking up a 2014 focus se hatch or fiesta titanium hatch at the end of the year. Any advice from owners?

In the aggregate, it looks like owners of both cars would say, "don't buy it."
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 850x512]


Please don't take Consumer Reports' biased trash as true reliability statistics.  They have predicted poor reliability solely on the "troublesome" interface of the MyFord Touch infotainment system.  That's it. There have been no major mechanical problems with either the 2012+ Focus or the 2011+ Fiesta.  Both are great choices.  There were some early issues with the software on the 2012-2013 Focus with automatic transmission, but the reprogramming completely fixes the problem.
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For really accurate and informative reliability data, check out  http://www.truedelta.com. Full access is free as long as you sign up and add your own vehicles' reliability data.
 
2014-01-02 12:45:10 AM

Thingster: THIS is what Ford did right. When GM and Chrysler were riding along pre bailouts, Ford was restructuring, internationalizing it's platforms, and trimming fat. When the US downturn came, they had the power of a world wide unified (but diverse) market to carry them.

 Ford did the corporate version of the Faustian deal.  In exchange for surviving, they had to put all their American qualities on the chopping block.


Ford management 06 to present needs to be replaced with people that put the US first in their car designs.
 
2014-01-02 12:45:13 AM

sethstorm: When Ford goes back to being an American car company, it'll be even better news.  Forced air does not make for a cylinder substitute and an I-4 does not belong in half their lineup, much less the 2014 Mustang II.  Until then, I'll go with GM or Chrysler for American cars - unless Ford has something in their lineup >4 cyl, <25k, no EcoBoost, and in car form.


/all but sworn off Ford since they've dropped the Panther and conventional van platforms in exchange for European ones
//If I wanted Eurotrash, I'd have gone to the EU and shipped a LHD version home.


And this is why I have you favorited as "HATES EcoBoost."  You say the same thing in EVERY SINGLE thread that mentions Ford.  Sales, reliability, and owner satisfaction statistics prove that the combination of turbocharging and direct injection (i.e., EcoBoost) has paid huge dividends for Ford across its entire model lineup.  "There's no replacement for displacement" just isn't true anymore.  And if you want a V8, in the Mustang, you can still have a V8!
 
2014-01-02 02:36:33 AM

MadManMoon: DrPainMD: chasd00: Im probably picking up a 2014 focus se hatch or fiesta titanium hatch at the end of the year. Any advice from owners?

In the aggregate, it looks like owners of both cars would say, "don't buy it."
[farm3.staticflickr.com image 850x512]

Please don't take Consumer Reports' biased trash as true reliability statistics.  They have predicted poor reliability solely on the "troublesome" interface of the MyFord Touch infotainment system.  That's it. There have been no major mechanical problems with either the 2012+ Focus or the 2011+ Fiesta.  Both are great choices.  There were some early issues with the software on the 2012-2013 Focus with automatic transmission, but the reprogramming completely fixes the problem.
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For really accurate and informative reliability data, check out  http://www.truedelta.com. Full access is free as long as you sign up and add your own vehicles' reliability data.


CR polls over 6 million car owners every year asking them what THEY think of their cars. CR's reviews are just compilation of those stats. Unless you're claiming that CR is committing fraud, there's no bias possible.
 
2014-01-02 03:35:07 AM

chasd00: Im probably picking up a 2014 focus se hatch or fiesta titanium hatch at the end of the year. Any advice from owners?


I have a 2013 SE HB.

I would really recommend getting equipment package 201-A. It adds a lot of features and is probably the best deal on options without having to go Titanium. Also, if you get snow more than a few months of the year, get the winter package. Totally worth it.

I have a 5 SPD manual, and I like the car for the most part. The only thing I don't like is the front seat can be somewhat uncomfortable at times. If you push into the seat with your fingers you will find they have this U shaped half-bucket thing under the foam of the seats that can dig into the bottom of your left leg. Like, there is this wall of metal or plastic or something that comes right up into the foam. I have no idea why they designed this structure into the seat. This is the only thing I really don't like about the car. If you're not very heavy it might be better, but who knows.
 
2014-01-02 04:02:52 AM
2013 Ford Fiesta SE Hatchback driver here....Love it. No complaints. However, I may go for the Focus when my lease is up. The build seems better, and I like the look. $0.02
 
2014-01-02 07:06:15 AM

HotWingAgenda: shizbgby_v2: The only issue I have with my 2012 Ford Focus is that I have the trim that has just the basic stereo and no cruise control. Other then that the car is fabulous.

I think the only time I have ever used cruise control was the first time I had it in a car, just to try it out. It's a worthless feature.


Ok now try that on I-80 through Nebraska, or just about any interstate run between cities.

/put nearly 100k miles on this Ford E350 this last year
 
2014-01-02 10:03:30 AM

sethstorm: Thingster: THIS is what Ford did right. When GM and Chrysler were riding along pre bailouts, Ford was restructuring, internationalizing it's platforms, and trimming fat. When the US downturn came, they had the power of a world wide unified (but diverse) market to carry them.
 Ford did the corporate version of the Faustian deal.  In exchange for surviving, they had to put all their American qualities on the chopping block.


Ford management 06 to present needs to be replaced with people that put the US first in their car designs.


Do you have any recollection of how shiatty Ford cars were before the platforms were internationalized?

Ford does trucks right, Ford does the mustang right. Pre-06, you had European Ford making awesome small cars, while the US model with the same nameplate was an underpowered, underbraked, poor handling rattle trap.

The mustang and the FSeries gets you American Ford done right. The small cars are finally something for US Ford to be proud to sell.

I was sad to see the explorer balloon out and go minivan, but that's my only gripe in the restructuring.
 
2014-01-02 10:31:43 AM

MadManMoon: And this is why I have you favorited as "HATES EcoBoost."  You say the same thing in EVERY SINGLE thread that mentions Ford.  Sales, reliability, and owner satisfaction statistics prove that the combination of turbocharging and direct injection (i.e., EcoBoost) has paid huge dividends for Ford across its entire model lineup.  "There's no replacement for displacement" just isn't true anymore.  And if you want a V8, in the Mustang, you can still have a V8!


Ecoboost is the tits.  I just picked up a '14 Fusion with the 2.0L turbo.  Its a goddamn rocket, and I love the mountain of torque you get.  Handling is also very sharp and precise, it's a blast for a midsize sedan.

The small engine is a bit clatter-y when it first starts up (especially now that it's farking freezing up here in Michigan), but it warms up in about 30 seconds and sounds fine after that.
 
2014-01-02 10:55:51 AM

HMS_Blinkin: MadManMoon: And this is why I have you favorited as "HATES EcoBoost."  You say the same thing in EVERY SINGLE thread that mentions Ford.  Sales, reliability, and owner satisfaction statistics prove that the combination of turbocharging and direct injection (i.e., EcoBoost) has paid huge dividends for Ford across its entire model lineup.  "There's no replacement for displacement" just isn't true anymore.  And if you want a V8, in the Mustang, you can still have a V8!

Ecoboost is the tits.  I just picked up a '14 Fusion with the 2.0L turbo.  Its a goddamn rocket, and I love the mountain of torque you get.  Handling is also very sharp and precise, it's a blast for a midsize sedan.

The small engine is a bit clatter-y when it first starts up (especially now that it's farking freezing up here in Michigan), but it warms up in about 30 seconds and sounds fine after that.


I have yet to ride in any ECoBoost powerd car, but I have only heard good things about them....except my buddy said the EB F-150 was unavailable and more expensive than the 5.0 version he got.  Speaking of which, that new 5.0 motor is something else.  I hear the next version of the Shelby Mustang is going to be a monster with possibly less displacement than the 5.4 in the current model.

/save the manuals
// hate automatics in sports cars
///flappy-paddle transmissions are not manuals.
 
2014-01-02 11:17:10 AM

sethstorm: Thingster: THIS is what Ford did right. When GM and Chrysler were riding along pre bailouts, Ford was restructuring, internationalizing it's platforms, and trimming fat. When the US downturn came, they had the power of a world wide unified (but diverse) market to carry them.
 Ford did the corporate version of the Faustian deal.  In exchange for surviving, they had to put all their American qualities on the chopping block.


Ford management 06 to present needs to be replaced with people that put the US first in their car designs.


Because whatever they were doing before 2006 was working so well?  I worked there for 10 years during that period and we pretty much just coasted on easy consumer credit, low gas prices, and bloated profit margins on pickup trucks and full size SUVs.  The cars sucked.  If they are making big profits on a diverse portfolio now and selling to new customers then I guess you are on the wrong side of history.
 
2014-01-02 11:37:27 AM
Still driving an 86 Ranger. Really, though, my next auto purchase will be an all EV(Leaf/ Model X are the current potential options), so unless Ford steps up to the plate with one, probably just stick w/ the old Ranger as far as that goes.
 
2014-01-02 01:29:54 PM

oldcub: We test drove the Taurus, Fusion, Accord, Azera, Legacy, and Mazda6 looking for the car that was the quietest for long trips.  The Taurus and Azera tied for first, Fusion and Accord tied for second, the Mazda6 was really nice, but noisy, and the Legacy was noisy and thin-skinned.  It was our least-favorite.  My wife, a lifelong Honda fan/owner, was ready to buy the Taurus to replace her 2009 civic hybrid, but I talked her into waiting a few months.

I guess my point here is that Ford actually made a car nice enough to sway my wife's opinion.  Not bad, considering we only stopped at the Ford dealership because they were right next to the Honda dealership.

Also, WTF Subaru?  Your flagship car should not be so damn noisy.


Easy. The Legacy is not their flagship car. Subaru flagship = Impreza/Outback/Forrester. With that being said all their cars are quite noisy. You buy a Subaru for it's AWD not for the noise level or gas mileage.
 
2014-01-02 01:47:02 PM

asquian: Still driving an 86 Ranger. Really, though, my next auto purchase will be an all EV(Leaf/ Model X are the current potential options), so unless Ford steps up to the plate with one, probably just stick w/ the old Ranger as far as that goes.




You can get the Fusion Energi, which is a plug-in hybrid. I wouldn't go all EV, unless there are plenty of charging stations around.
 
2014-01-02 01:58:54 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: oldcub: We test drove the Taurus, Fusion, Accord, Azera, Legacy, and Mazda6 looking for the car that was the quietest for long trips.  The Taurus and Azera tied for first, Fusion and Accord tied for second, the Mazda6 was really nice, but noisy, and the Legacy was noisy and thin-skinned.  It was our least-favorite.  My wife, a lifelong Honda fan/owner, was ready to buy the Taurus to replace her 2009 civic hybrid, but I talked her into waiting a few months.

I guess my point here is that Ford actually made a car nice enough to sway my wife's opinion.  Not bad, considering we only stopped at the Ford dealership because they were right next to the Honda dealership.

Also, WTF Subaru?  Your flagship car should not be so damn noisy.

Easy. The Legacy is not their flagship car. Subaru flagship = Impreza/Outback/Forrester. With that being said all their cars are quite noisy. You buy a Subaru for it's AWD not for the noise level or gas mileage.


Legacy with a lift kit = Outback
 
2014-01-02 03:16:27 PM

Night Night Cream Puff: oldcub: We test drove the Taurus, Fusion, Accord, Azera, Legacy, and Mazda6 looking for the car that was the quietest for long trips.  The Taurus and Azera tied for first, Fusion and Accord tied for second, the Mazda6 was really nice, but noisy, and the Legacy was noisy and thin-skinned.  It was our least-favorite.  My wife, a lifelong Honda fan/owner, was ready to buy the Taurus to replace her 2009 civic hybrid, but I talked her into waiting a few months.

I guess my point here is that Ford actually made a car nice enough to sway my wife's opinion.  Not bad, considering we only stopped at the Ford dealership because they were right next to the Honda dealership.

Also, WTF Subaru?  Your flagship car should not be so damn noisy.

Easy. The Legacy is not their flagship car. Subaru flagship = Impreza/Outback/Forrester. With that being said all their cars are quite noisy. You buy a Subaru for it's AWD not for the noise level or gas mileage.


She liked the AWD, which is why we stopped at the dealer, but the level of noise was deal killer before we hit the first stop light. The doors had absolutely no meat to them. We couldn't believe how bad it was for a new car. They really need to address that.
 
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