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(Boston.com)   Best Korea would like to wish you all a factionalist filth free new year   (boston.com) divider line 27
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2014-01-01 05:41:16 AM  
fta analysts are divided about the meaning of Jang's execution

HE DEAD!

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2014-01-01 07:24:32 AM  
I'm a little surprised they celebrate the New Year on the same date us decadent, starving, on-line-for-weak-coffee running dogs do instead of on Dear Leader's birthday or the anniversary of the first time Kim Jong Il shot a 39 on an 18-hole course.
 
2014-01-01 07:50:30 AM  
"Kim called for an improvement in strained ties with South Korea, saying it's time for each side to stop slandering the other and urging Seoul to listen to voices calling for Korean unification."

I realize North Koreans are brainwashed from birth, so I give them a pass on believing the stupidity that comes out of this guys mouth, but does he actually think the rest of the world is that stupid?
 
2014-01-01 07:53:22 AM  
I remember when Kim Jong Un took over and we all had such high hopes that a young western educated leader would do wonders for the country. Kinda sad he turned out to be such a chip of the ol' block.
 
2014-01-01 08:09:31 AM  
Best Korea declares glorious status quo!

Eyup.  Another year of "peace, love, disarm!"  from all sides.  Another year of no change.

Wake me up when any member of the six party talks really wants to see reunification.
 
2014-01-01 08:20:21 AM  

Gunther: I remember when Kim Jong Un took over and we all had such high hopes that a young western educated leader would do wonders for the country. Kinda sad he turned out to be such a chip of the ol' block.


Folks who had been watching closely were not surprised.   One of his brothers is a hooligan, and the other one a little too kind and (by their expectations) effeminate.   The powers that be in DPRK were betting everything on KJU.

ReapTheChaos: "Kim called for an improvement in strained ties with South Korea, saying it's time for each side to stop slandering the other and urging Seoul to listen to voices calling for Korean unification."

I realize North Koreans are brainwashed from birth, so I give them a pass on believing the stupidity that comes out of this guys mouth, but does he actually think the rest of the world is that stupid?


Well, given that your life is at stake for not clapping with enough enthusiasm at everything this evil dwarf says, who is going to tell him he's wrong?  I believe he does not care who believes him, as long as he retains power.  He's got a pretty good lifestyle, is surrounded by terrified sycophants, and and would rather stay in power than get treated like Saddam Hussein, Qaddaffi, or Cocescu (former dictator of Romania, I probably humped the spelling).
 
2014-01-01 08:44:59 AM  
North Korean Hallmark cards are the best!

I am so glad the Kim Jong-un invented them. Well, the edible variety, anyway.

After all, paper is made from delicious bark and twigs...

I'll stop now.
 
2014-01-01 09:09:50 AM  

Laobaojun: Gunther: I remember when Kim Jong Un took over and we all had such high hopes that a young western educated leader would do wonders for the country. Kinda sad he turned out to be such a chip of the ol' block.

Folks who had been watching closely were not surprised.   One of his brothers is a hooligan, and the other one a little too kind and (by their expectations) effeminate.   The powers that be in DPRK were betting everything on KJU.

ReapTheChaos: "Kim called for an improvement in strained ties with South Korea, saying it's time for each side to stop slandering the other and urging Seoul to listen to voices calling for Korean unification."

I realize North Koreans are brainwashed from birth, so I give them a pass on believing the stupidity that comes out of this guys mouth, but does he actually think the rest of the world is that stupid?

Well, given that your life is at stake for not clapping with enough enthusiasm at everything this evil dwarf says, who is going to tell him he's wrong?  I believe he does not care who believes him, as long as he retains power.  He's got a pretty good lifestyle, is surrounded by terrified sycophants, and and would rather stay in power than get treated like Saddam Hussein, Qaddaffi, or Cocescu (former dictator of Romania, I probably humped the spelling).


I bet he's told what to think just like everyone else there. If some little wormtongue whispers "that man is a traitor. a traaaaaaitor. you should smite him" then Kim's all like "(gasp) Smite That Man".
 
2014-01-01 09:10:39 AM  
I wish he would deliver that message to my family. Talk about factionalism filth. Yeah, Mom, I mean you.
 
2014-01-01 09:56:28 AM  
FTFA:  Attacks blamed on North Korea killed 50 South Koreans in 2010, and tension on the Korean Peninsula still lingers, although Pyongyang has backed away from war rhetoric from early last year that included threats of nuclear attacks against Washington and Seoul.

What's with this bullshiat passive language?  NK absolutely committed both of those attacks---the shelling of Yeonpyeong island in particular was obviously done by NK, in broad daylight.
 
2014-01-01 10:00:18 AM  
And no, they haven't backed away from such threats, they made more of them just last week.
 
2014-01-01 10:26:31 AM  

Wolf892: I love Best Korea's new National slogan "Citizens, do not be afraid, be UN afraid!"


Triple entendre.
 
2014-01-01 11:05:53 AM  
Un murdered China's inside guy Jang. Thus China has been moving a massive amount of troops within striking distance of the North Korea border. Honestly North Korea's nuke program is basically a red herring in terms of the North actual offensive capabilities. The biggest threat in terms of human lives is their chemical and biological weapons programs. Which just one guy with an aerosol can filled with nightmare brew of engineered germs could kill potentially billions.
 
2014-01-01 01:16:44 PM  
I'm just surprised that NK uses the same calendar as the rest of us. I'd have thought that Kim Il Sung would have declared the start of the year to be the day he got that thing that was stuck in his teeth or something.
 
2014-01-01 02:36:03 PM  

ImpendingCynic: I'm just surprised that NK uses the same calendar as the rest of us. I'd have thought that Kim Il Sung would have declared the start of the year to be the day he got that thing that was stuck in his teeth or something.


Not surprisingly, they do have their own calendar using the "Juche Year" which is apparently counted from Sung's alleged birth date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_calendar
 
2014-01-01 02:45:26 PM  
"Factions" have always been a big no-no with the Communist Party.  It was the raison d'etre for Stalin's purges of the Party in the 30's.
 
2014-01-01 03:43:32 PM  
Best Korea claims strength after Kim Jong Fattie makes a bowel movement.  So what?

If they knew how much the entire world laughs at these pathetic attempts for attention, they'd probably launch those nukes on their rubber-band launch pads.
 
2014-01-01 04:08:56 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm a little surprised they celebrate the New Year on the same date us decadent, starving, on-line-for-weak-coffee running dogs do instead of on Dear Leader's birthday or the anniversary of the first time Kim Jong Il shot a 39 34 on an 18-hole course.


FTFY

link:  http://www.thestar.com/sports/golf/2011/12/19/kim_jongil_once_carded_ 3 8under_par_at_pyongyang_golf_course.html
 
2014-01-01 04:20:51 PM  

zimbomba63: "Factions" have always been a big no-no with the Communist Party.  It was the raison d'etre for Stalin's purges of the Party in the 30's.


Any totalitarian.  Fascists did the same stuff and there is an excellent example of a dictator cleaning house in 31 CE.  Tiberius did bad things to a military leader named Sejanus.  Sejanus was building a following and getting ideas above his station.

/Pet peeve - people get so hung up over party names, they stop scrutinizing the actions by those leaders.  Because Cuban socialism is exactly the same as Swedish socialism...
 
2014-01-01 07:01:21 PM  

Laobaojun: zimbomba63: "Factions" have always been a big no-no with the Communist Party.  It was the raison d'etre for Stalin's purges of the Party in the 30's.

Any totalitarian.  Fascists did the same stuff and there is an excellent example of a dictator cleaning house in 31 CE.  Tiberius did bad things to a military leader named Sejanus.  Sejanus was building a following and getting ideas above his station.

/Pet peeve - people get so hung up over party names, they stop scrutinizing the actions by those leaders.  Because Cuban socialism is exactly the same as Swedish socialism...


Sejanus was Tiberius' chief executioner, just as Yagoda and Yezhov served Stalin in the same way.  Stalin disposed of Yagoda and Yezhov, stating they were responsible for the excesses of the purges.  Sejanus may have been set up the same way, since we have limited sources, as to Sejanus' wrong-doing.  I'm not trying to say Sejanus was a good guy, he wasn't,  just we have to take his "crimes" with a grain of salt.
 
2014-01-01 07:31:06 PM  

zimbomba63: Laobaojun: zimbomba63: "Factions" have always been a big no-no with the Communist Party.  It was the raison d'etre for Stalin's purges of the Party in the 30's.

Any totalitarian.  Fascists did the same stuff and there is an excellent example of a dictator cleaning house in 31 CE.  Tiberius did bad things to a military leader named Sejanus.  Sejanus was building a following and getting ideas above his station.

/Pet peeve - people get so hung up over party names, they stop scrutinizing the actions by those leaders.  Because Cuban socialism is exactly the same as Swedish socialism...

Sejanus was Tiberius' chief executioner, just as Yagoda and Yezhov served Stalin in the same way.  Stalin disposed of Yagoda and Yezhov, stating they were responsible for the excesses of the purges.  Sejanus may have been set up the same way, since we have limited sources, as to Sejanus' wrong-doing.  I'm not trying to say Sejanus was a good guy, he wasn't,  just we have to take his "crimes" with a grain of salt.


So you agree the pattern of absolute power wielder eliminating folks suspected/accused of faction building is not exclusively "communist"?  That was my point.

Re:  Sejanus - He was accused (among other things) of building a power base that was perceived as a threat to the emperor.  The accusation/justification of faction building (true or not) had to be plausible, or Tiberius and the folks behind him wouldn't have used it.  And while Sejanus became chief executioner,  he started as commander of the of the Praetorian guard.  One accusation was that he went off the reservation and started picking his own targets (in support of his own faction and power grab ) rather than waiting for orders.  If this was made up, I agree, it makes an excellent excuse for cleaning house.
 
2014-01-01 08:12:40 PM  

Laobaojun: zimbomba63: Laobaojun: zimbomba63: "Factions" have always been a big no-no with the Communist Party.  It was the raison d'etre for Stalin's purges of the Party in the 30's.

So you agree the pattern of absolute power wielder eliminating folks suspected/accused of faction building is not exclusively "communist"?  That was my point.


Agreed, but, in the various iterations of the Communist experiment, it is always there: 1) Lenin's insistence on "Bolshevik iron discipline" was aimed at the formation of factions, AKA not following Lenin's lead on various questions, even before the Bolsheviks came to power, 2) Stalin's destruction of his opponents, the Left faction - Kamenev & Zinoviev, and Right faction - Bukharin & Rykov, 3) Mao's Cultural Revolution, and finally, 4) Chubby Kim's elimination of his uncle's "filthy faction".
 
2014-01-01 09:04:25 PM  

zimbomba63: Laobaojun: zimbomba63: Laobaojun: zimbomba63: "Factions" have always been a big no-no with the Communist Party.  It was the raison d'etre for Stalin's purges of the Party in the 30's.

So you agree the pattern of absolute power wielder eliminating folks suspected/accused of faction building is not exclusively "communist"?  That was my point.

Agreed, but, in the various iterations of the Communist experiment, it is always there: 1) Lenin's insistence on "Bolshevik iron discipline" was aimed at the formation of factions, AKA not following Lenin's lead on various questions, even before the Bolsheviks came to power, 2) Stalin's destruction of his opponents, the Left faction - Kamenev & Zinoviev, and Right faction - Bukharin & Rykov, 3) Mao's Cultural Revolution, and finally, 4) Chubby Kim's elimination of his uncle's "filthy faction".


I agree the "communist" governments have followed that pattern.  But that pattern is not exclusive to communists.  The pattern is totalitarian.  This bit us on the butt during the Cold War.  We would back anyone who said they were "anti-communist" and we ended up backing some dreadful totalitarians who followed this pattern, even though they weren't "communist".  Look at all the hooligans we backed in Latin America like Noriega, look at the Shah of Iran.  I would argue that we exercised atrocious strategic judgement in both cases, and in both cases the indicators were ignored for political expediency.  Heck, even South Korea went through this in the late 1940s and 1950 before the Korean War.
 
2014-01-02 02:18:50 PM  

zimbomba63: Bukharin


Laobaojun: Bukharin


you rang?
 
2014-01-02 05:18:40 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "Kim called for an improvement in strained ties with South Korea, saying it's time for each side to stop slandering the other and urging Seoul to listen to voices calling for Korean unification."

I realize North Koreans are brainwashed from birth, so I give them a pass on believing the stupidity that comes out of this guys mouth, but does he actually think the rest of the world is that stupid?


Uhm, I believe it. Why wouldn't I?

Its always been North Koreas ambition to reunite Korea as one nation. No news there.

He wants the special economic zone working again, because North Korea needs money. No news there.

He continues his usual rethoric that it is South Korea that is preventing reunification (he didn't add USA in as well, but don't worry, he hasn't forgotten you). No news there.

---

What is it you're having a problem with specifically? I mean, what lies did he make?

You don't believe that Best Korea would love for USA to leave Worst Korea, and the country be reunited under the leadership of Kim Yong Un, and under the protection of their millitary?

Well, I believe that's their wet dream. And I don't think that makes me stupid, it just means I pay attention.
 
2014-01-02 05:25:15 PM  

ImpendingCynic: I'm just surprised that NK uses the same calendar as the rest of us. I'd have thought that Kim Il Sung would have declared the start of the year to be the day he got that thing that was stuck in his teeth or something.


I was as well. I thought they would be following the Japanese New Year, being a former Japanese colony.

Ie., like they use Japanese Kanji etc., so I looked it up.

"Since 1873, the Japanese New Year has been celebrated according to the  , on January 1 of each year,"

Welp. Learned something new today. North Korea /is/ following the Japanese New Year as I assumed they would. Just so happends that Japan changed that to be according to the Gregorian calender in 1873. Likely as a part of their modernisation program (they stopped being isolinanist, build a huge navy, started kicking Russias ass, and stuff like that.)
 
2014-01-02 06:29:23 PM  

spawn73: ReapTheChaos: "Kim called for an improvement in strained ties with South Korea, saying it's time for each side to stop slandering the other and urging Seoul to listen to voices calling for Korean unification."

I realize North Koreans are brainwashed from birth, so I give them a pass on believing the stupidity that comes out of this guys mouth, but does he actually think the rest of the world is that stupid?

Uhm, I believe it. Why wouldn't I?

Its always been North Koreas ambition to reunite Korea as one nation. No news there.

He wants the special economic zone working again, because North Korea needs money. No news there.

He continues his usual rethoric that it is South Korea that is preventing reunification (he didn't add USA in as well, but don't worry, he hasn't forgotten you). No news there.

---

What is it you're having a problem with specifically? I mean, what lies did he make?

You don't believe that Best Korea would love for USA to leave Worst Korea, and the country be reunited under the leadership of Kim Yong Un, and under the protection of their millitary?

Well, I believe that's their wet dream. And I don't think that makes me stupid, it just means I pay attention.


DPRK likes status quo.  They talk crazy, and we pay them to not do crazy.  Heck, before their economy got fully up and running, ROK did the same thing.  You know, gun to their own head saying "do it or we shoot!"  They keep playing out the script because it works.  China backs them up to save face (they can't admit it was a mistake to back them during the war), as a buffer (can't be having a prosperous democracy on their border), and as messaging to the ethnic Koreans in China ("we're doing our best for your kinfolk", and "see how bad Korea sucks? Aren't you happier here?" Key, because the Korean minority is "harmonious").

Every time substantive steps are made to improve relations, the NorKs kick it off the rails.  The wet dream of reunification under the north is just that, and they know it.  What they want is security, for the ruling clique, a steady flow of aid, and a steady flow of luxury items for the senior leadership.
 
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