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(ESPN)   Peyton Manning's passing yardage record will stand after Elias Sports Bureau does some forward thinking   (espn.go.com) divider line 36
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2014-01-01 09:04:36 AM  
This has been Goodell MO from day one: "Never let facts get in the way of the story I'm trying to sell."
 
2014-01-01 09:06:04 AM  
Cooler heads finally prevail.  They came to the same conclusion sane people did:  if you have review one pass play, then you have to review them all.  Are you going to look at all that game film and re-examine every single spot of the football?  Just go with the on the field call and leave it at that.
 
2014-01-01 09:38:02 AM  
Go Broncos.
 
2014-01-01 09:41:56 AM  
Winning the Superbowl is the only stat that matters.
 
2014-01-01 10:22:35 AM  

JJRRutgers: Cooler heads finally prevail.  They came to the same conclusion sane people did:  if you have review one pass play, then you have to review them all.  Are you going to look at all that game film and re-examine every single spot of the football?  Just go with the on the field call and leave it at that.


FWIW, the NFL does normally correct for errors during the year. The "sane" thing to do would be to continue that process in a timely manner (e.g. within the next two days of the event). But now it's been farked all to hell as Brees is still the legitimate owner of the record, but incompetence (of the league; ultimately Goodell) is assured to be an asterisk if he were to keep it.
 
2014-01-01 10:28:39 AM  

JJRRutgers: Cooler heads finally prevail.  They came to the same conclusion sane people did:  if you have review one pass play, then you have to review them all.  Are you going to look at all that game film and re-examine every single spot of the football?  Just go with the on the field call and leave it at that.


You know they do go over every single play right?  That's part of their job.
 
2014-01-01 10:47:39 AM  
What a bunch of malarkey. I'll bet nobody has looked at his first four quarters of the season nearly as carefully.
 
2014-01-01 10:55:15 AM  
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2014-01-01 11:07:35 AM  
They'd have to look at each of Brees's passes and no one wanted to do that.
 
2014-01-01 11:15:32 AM  

JJRRutgers: Cooler heads finally prevail.  They came to the same conclusion sane people did:  if you have review one pass play, then you have to review them all.  Are you going to look at all that game film and re-examine every single spot of the football?  Just go with the on the field call and leave it at that.


HAHAHAHA_!!!!

So the entire replay system is unnecessary?
 
2014-01-01 11:17:30 AM  

Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 440x260]


FWIW, your boy ain't comin' out of this much better than Brees could have. The robot now owns a clearly illegitimate record.
 
2014-01-01 11:23:40 AM  

digistil: FWIW, the NFL does normally correct for errors during the year. The "sane" thing to do would be to continue that process in a timely manner (e.g. within the next two days of the event). But now it's been farked all to hell as Brees is still the legitimate owner of the record, but incompetence (of the league; ultimately Goodell) is assured to be an asterisk if he were to keep it.



I don't have a problem with Peyton keeping the record. If it had been the last play of the game, maybe I would feel differently. He broke the record in the first half and then didn't play the rest of the game. If he had not broken it, I'm sure he would have went out there for one series in the second half and broke it anyway.
 
2014-01-01 11:35:32 AM  

digistil: Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 440x260]

FWIW, your boy ain't comin' out of this much better than Brees could have. The robot now owns a clearly illegitimate record.


Oh FFS, they rested him thinking he had the record. If it had been scored as a running play they would have left him in long enough to break the record, which would have occurred on his first play in the third quarter. And then maybe they'd have left him in for the rest of the game to rack up another 200 yards against the friggin' Raiders just to prove a point.
 
2014-01-01 11:42:04 AM  

Super Chronic: digistil: Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 440x260]

FWIW, your boy ain't comin' out of this much better than Brees could have. The robot now owns a clearly illegitimate record.

Oh FFS, they rested him thinking he had the record. If it had been scored as a running play they would have left him in long enough to break the record, which would have occurred on his first play in the third quarter. And then maybe they'd have left him in for the rest of the game to rack up another 200 yards against the friggin' Raiders just to prove a point.


Funny thing is, they will opine on on about how they dont care about the record and "as long as we win football games" etc, but you know good and damn well he wasnt coming out until he broke the record.  I have a hard time believing AP didnt know he was 9 yards short last year.
 
2014-01-01 11:48:03 AM  

JJRRutgers: Cooler heads finally prevail.  They came to the same conclusion sane people did:  if you have review one pass play, then you have to review them all.  Are you going to look at all that game film and re-examine every single spot of the football?  Just go with the on the field call and leave it at that.


Actually, this is the opposite of that. Elias already reviews every play. This one, though, they decided NOT to review.
 
2014-01-01 11:49:08 AM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: They'd have to look at each of Brees's passes and no one wanted to do that.


They already did that.
 
2014-01-01 11:56:14 AM  

Shoop008: I don't have a problem with Peyton keeping the record. If it had been the last play of the game, maybe I would feel differently. He broke the record in the first half and then didn't play the rest of the game. If he had not broken it, I'm sure he would have went out there for one series in the second half and broke it anyway.


But the same couldn't be said for Brees, previously?
 
2014-01-01 11:57:34 AM  
Super Chronic: Oh FFS, they rested him thinking he had the record.

And that's enough?
 
2014-01-01 12:05:57 PM  
I don't have a full argument for this, just more of a thought and would like to get your takes.
This may have been stated earlier or in another thread and missed but...
With the all the new rules neutering the defenses over the last few seasons, doesn't that take away from these records a little and give more weight to Marino's & Fouts's.
Sure players are faster, stronger, more conditioned and yadda, yadda and schemes are more complicated but the D had more freedom to their job back then, making it harder for receivers to get open.
 
2014-01-01 12:07:10 PM  
Seems like a slippery slope. If they were to reverse that forward pass after the fact, shouldn't the Chargers and Chiefs get back out on the field so Succop can re-kick that field goal?

Good calls, bad calls... shiat happens. That's what I like about football.
 
2014-01-01 12:09:21 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: I don't have a full argument for this, just more of a thought and would like to get your takes.
This may have been stated earlier or in another thread and missed but...
With the all the new rules neutering the defenses over the last few seasons, doesn't that take away from these records a little and give more weight to Marino's & Fouts's.
Sure players are faster, stronger, more conditioned and yadda, yadda and schemes are more complicated but the D had more freedom to their job back then, making it harder for receivers to get open.


Yup.  This is a meaningless record, along with the TDs.  And it will be broken again within the next 5 years unless they ease up on the defensive rules.
 
2014-01-01 12:10:37 PM  
This is a pretty poor thing to be concerned about. Unless you're a Saints fan, I guess.
 
2014-01-01 12:13:18 PM  
LOL...stunned, totally stunned, that backwards is forwards for Peyton.
 
2014-01-01 12:42:33 PM  
I get pissed when stat corrections mess up my fantasy team so I can only imagine how mad Peyton would get if they'd "corrected" this.

/still need to put a ring on it this year, Mr. Manning
 
2014-01-01 12:48:25 PM  

jankyboy: Seems like a slippery slope. If they were to reverse that forward pass after the fact, shouldn't the Chargers and Chiefs get back out on the field so Succop can re-kick that field goal?

Good calls, bad calls... shiat happens. That's what I like about football.


Except this happens every week.  It may not be a forward pass, but it could be someone else gets credit for a sack, tipped pass, or tackle.  The point is, he shouldn't have gotten the record on that.  Of course, I'm in the camp that thinks he should have played the whole/most of the game and buried the records.  I have no problem with teams or players running up the score.
 
2014-01-01 12:55:57 PM  
The NFL showing ex post facto concern about accuracy? Not in this universe.
 
2014-01-01 01:04:12 PM  
I think Peyton is more proud of the scoring record, but still, here are the next 6 great offenses.  What do they have in common?  None of them won the Super Bowl.  The '99 Rams being the only top 10 offense to win it all.  Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

589 - New England, 2007
560 - Green Bay, 2011
556 - Minnesota, 1998
547 - New Orleans 2011
541 - Washington, 1983
540 - St. Louis, 2000
 
2014-01-01 01:20:10 PM  

NewWorldDan: I think Peyton is more proud of the scoring record, but still, here are the next 6 great offenses.  What do they have in common?  None of them won the Super Bowl.  The '99 Rams being the only top 10 offense to win it all.  Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

589 - New England, 2007
560 - Green Bay, 2011
556 - Minnesota, 1998
547 - New Orleans 2011
541 - Washington, 1983
540 - St. Louis, 2000


I think the issue is that a good defense is more reliable game in and game out than a powerful offense. However, I certainly wouldn't count someone out because they have the highest scoring offense....ever. That would be quite silly.
 
2014-01-01 03:09:50 PM  
I like heroic narratives more than pedantic nerdism in my entertainment.
 
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2014-01-01 04:41:14 PM  

DemoKnite: Funny thing is, they will opine on on about how they dont care about the record and "as long as we win football games" etc,


Who will opine? Manning? Elway? Fox?

Every says the correct thing to the media because if they don't the handwringing starts in the papers and then trickles down to dipshiats posting on forums like Fark.

But as long as you can win the football game AND get the record? Why the hell wouldn't you?
 
2014-01-01 05:20:37 PM  
I like to think that somewhere out there is a guy who is both a Saints and a Buffalo Bills fan, and he just suffered a massive aneurysm.
 
2014-01-01 05:56:25 PM  

swahnhennessy: This is a pretty poor thing to be concerned about. Unless you're a Saints fan, I guess.


robsul82: LOL...stunned, totally stunned, that backwards is forwards for Peyton.


I found this amusing.
 
2014-01-01 07:22:11 PM  

NewWorldDan: I think Peyton is more proud of the scoring record, but still, here are the next 6 great offenses.  What do they have in common?  None of them won the Super Bowl.  The '99 Rams being the only top 10 offense to win it all.  Offense wins games, defense wins championships.

589 - New England, 2007
560 - Green Bay, 2011
556 - Minnesota, 1998
547 - New Orleans 2011
541 - Washington, 1983
540 - St. Louis, 2000


Yes that was true until the NFL decided they only care about offense and people getting hit didn't play well with the new markets the NFL wants to exploit.

If they don't choke beforehand, we'll get a nice preview of the future of the league in the Super Bowl when the NFLs best offense ever plays a strong defense but mediocre offense from Seattle. I predict 10+ PI calls on Seattle.
 
2014-01-01 11:57:06 PM  

TwoBeersOneCan: swahnhennessy: This is a pretty poor thing to be concerned about. Unless you're a Saints fan, I guess.

robsul82: LOL...stunned, totally stunned, that backwards is forwards for Peyton.

I found this amusing.


Yes, I'm sure you do, lol.
 
2014-01-02 12:04:14 AM  

meanmutton: JJRRutgers: Cooler heads finally prevail.  They came to the same conclusion sane people did:  if you have review one pass play, then you have to review them all.  Are you going to look at all that game film and re-examine every single spot of the football?  Just go with the on the field call and leave it at that.

Actually, this is the opposite of that. Elias already reviews every play. This one, though, they decided NOT to review.


That's not what happened at all. RTFA, They did review it and found another angle that was overhead footage that proved Manning was behind the receiver so it stood as a pass.
 
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