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2014-01-01 08:24:16 AM  
Dick sucking double check.
 
2014-01-01 08:25:17 AM  
That was just horrible.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger Packers homer than I, and even *I* facepalmed at the chosen quote.
 
2014-01-01 08:31:40 AM  
Well, that's a dead giveaway.

Straight men don't "like" women.  They want women.  They want to boink them.  The gay men actually like them.

I really don't give a shiat either way, but although "is X gay" is the most inconsequential non-scandal scandal I couldn't care less about, the denials are getting amusing.  At least we found out his dad is a homophobic piece of trash.
 
2014-01-01 08:33:37 AM  
The more you deny it, the more evidence there is to support it.

There's an old legend about LBJ.  Before he even became governor of Texas and before he became president he was running for some smaller office.  He told his campaign manager to start a rumor that his opponent was farking sheep.  The legend has it that his campaign manager told him that was crazy, nobody would believe that.  LBJ replied that he knew that, but he wanted to make his political opponent deny it.

From another angle though, our whole country is farked up.  Most of us say we accept gays and are in favor of at least civil unions if not marriage for homosexuals.  And yet it still seems to be an issue that a professional athlete is gay - so much so that he feels he has to deny it.

Who the hell cares?
 
2014-01-01 08:44:58 AM  

xaks: That was just horrible.

You'd be hard-pressed to find a bigger Packers homer than I, and even *I* facepalmed at the chosen quote.


Everyone has their weakness, even Rodgers. That quote makes me think he actually is gay AND a horrible a liar. Not that there's anything wrong with being a horrible liar. But what heterosexual male says they merely "Like" women when trying to deny such accusations? Assuming he's lying, I get it. He's trying to maximize his opportunity in life. And assuming he's choosing to be infected with teh ghey, coming out risks his dreams in life. I don't know I'd be any braver in the same position.
 
2014-01-01 08:47:26 AM  
What difference does it make one way or the other?
 
2014-01-01 08:51:02 AM  

Kiribub: What difference does it make one way or the other?


Why don't you ask Rodgers.
 
2014-01-01 08:52:38 AM  

digistil: Kiribub: What difference does it make one way or the other?

Why don't you ask Rodgers.


No need - either way, the man is a hell of a qb and fun to watch.
 
2014-01-01 08:53:02 AM  

Kiribub: What difference does it make one way or the other?


Less than zero difference, except to idiots, retards, and conservatives.
 
2014-01-01 08:55:19 AM  

Kiribub: digistil: Kiribub: What difference does it make one way or the other?

Why don't you ask Rodgers.

No need - either way, the man is a hell of a qb and fun to watch.


Only if you're a Packer fan or not a fan of any team in the NFC North.
 
2014-01-01 09:21:23 AM  
my guess is that most packer fans would still support him and the team.

/might cut back on the term "viqueens", as well
 
2014-01-01 09:27:50 AM  
If he's not gay than I can still watch grown sweaty men in tight pants grope on each other without getting uncomfortable
 
2014-01-01 09:41:24 AM  
the first major gay NFL player can't be a Packer. It would make the jokes too easy.
 
2014-01-01 09:41:28 AM  
FARRRRRR from it.
 
2014-01-01 09:43:16 AM  

xaks: Less than zero difference, except to idiots, retards, and conservatives.


oh c'mon, tons of gay men didn't come out because their careers benefited from throngs of adoring females that thought they had a chance. granted, that was more historically..
 
2014-01-01 09:52:42 AM  
I woulda answered the question the same way.
Uh oh, maybe im a gay.
NTTAWWT.
 
2014-01-01 09:54:57 AM  
It's too bad he won't just come out.  He is a bonafide superstar, and people across the country would be more or less forced to accept it.

The climate has changed enough that he wouldn't really suffer any losses in terms of endorsements/salary/playing time (the backlash against any fallout would be too severe), so there must be something on a deeply personal level that's holding him back, which is a bummer.
 
2014-01-01 10:25:00 AM  

FraggleStickCar: It's too bad he won't just come out.  He is a bonafide superstar, and people across the country would be more or less forced to accept it.

The climate has changed enough that he wouldn't really suffer any losses in terms of endorsements/salary/playing time (the backlash against any fallout would be too severe), so there must be something on a deeply personal level that's holding him back, which is a bummer.


Maybe he doesn't want to be Rodgers the Discount Double Fudge Packer for the rest of his career.

/also: "From c.1650 to c.1870, Roger was slang for the word "penis", probably due to the origin of the name involving fame with a spear.[3][4][5] Subsequently, "to roger" became a slang verb form meaning "to have sex with/ to penetrate", often particularly referring to anal sex. "
 
2014-01-01 10:30:09 AM  
Rodgers has been solid in the media since the spotlight started shining on him. Why do I say this? Look at the whole Favre (Brent?) incident.  He handled that well, he didn't do anything that caused more media attention on him or the situation, he rode it out, and became a great quarterback that lead his team to a Super Bowl victory.

So how does that matter here?  Well he said "he really likes women" and now people are saying "well that's what Gay person would say" or that was an awkward quote. Actually no, it's the least offense thing you can say if you just want the discussion to go away (except for the few and mindless).

A. He's denying being gay. If someone says something about you that's untrue, you just deny it. You need to go into details, you just state it's untrue.

B. He didn't say something offensive and chauvinistic about women. Ya he could have said "Ya, I really prefer cooch cause I love smelling my finger when we are done" but he'd come off as a non-gay, typical asshole.  He's not looking to replace one stupid controversy with another.

The reason is this: he's in the spotlight and he doesn't want to be, he's got a game to focus on, and a team to lead. What he said lets his team focus on the upcoming game the best way they can. He made a leadership decision, he handled the media well (yet again), and he did what's best for his career and his team.  That's why we love him in Wisconsin.  He's smart, he's team focused, and he's driven to win.  If that comes off as arrogant to you Bear fans out there, sorry, maybe someday you'll get a real quarterback too!
 
2014-01-01 10:33:19 AM  

mandoskippy: Rodgers has been solid in the media since the spotlight started shining on him. Why do I say this? Look at the whole Favre (Brent?) incident.  He handled that well, he didn't do anything that caused more media attention on him or the situation, he rode it out, and became a great quarterback that lead his team to a Super Bowl victory.

So how does that matter here?  Well he said "he really likes women" and now people are saying "well that's what Gay person would say" or that was an awkward quote. Actually no, it's the least offense thing you can say if you just want the discussion to go away (except for the few and mindless).

A. He's denying being gay. If someone says something about you that's untrue, you just deny it. You need to go into details, you just state it's untrue.

B. He didn't say something offensive and chauvinistic about women. Ya he could have said "Ya, I really prefer cooch cause I love smelling my finger when we are done" but he'd come off as a non-gay, typical asshole.  He's not looking to replace one stupid controversy with another.

The reason is this: he's in the spotlight and he doesn't want to be, he's got a game to focus on, and a team to lead. What he said lets his team focus on the upcoming game the best way they can. He made a leadership decision, he handled the media well (yet again), and he did what's best for his career and his team.  That's why we love him in Wisconsin.  He's smart, he's team focused, and he's driven to win.  If that comes off as arrogant to you Bear fans out there, sorry, maybe someday you'll get a real quarterback too!


/Homer

/FTFY
//not a Bears fan
 
2014-01-01 10:34:36 AM  

mandoskippy: Rodgers has been solid in the media since the spotlight started shining on him. Why do I say this? Look at the whole Favre (Brent?) incident.  He handled that well, he didn't do anything that caused more media attention on him or the situation, he rode it out, and became a great quarterback that lead his team to a Super Bowl victory.

So how does that matter here?  Well he said "he really likes women" and now people are saying "well that's what Gay person would say" or that was an awkward quote. Actually no, it's the least offense thing you can say if you just want the discussion to go away (except for the few and mindless).

A. He's denying being gay. If someone says something about you that's untrue, you just deny it. You need to go into details, you just state it's untrue.

B. He didn't say something offensive and chauvinistic about women. Ya he could have said "Ya, I really prefer cooch cause I love smelling my finger when we are done" but he'd come off as a non-gay, typical asshole.  He's not looking to replace one stupid controversy with another.

The reason is this: he's in the spotlight and he doesn't want to be, he's got a game to focus on, and a team to lead. What he said lets his team focus on the upcoming game the best way they can. He made a leadership decision, he handled the media well (yet again), and he did what's best for his career and his team.  That's why we love him in Wisconsin.  He's smart, he's team focused, and he's driven to win.  If that comes off as arrogant to you Bear fans out there, sorry, maybe someday you'll get a real quarterback too!


They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D
 
2014-01-01 10:38:21 AM  

Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D


Touche
 
2014-01-01 10:43:10 AM  
That quote comes off as "I really, really like women and vaginas. Yeah, I like vaginas. Not penises, especially large, thick penises attached to a muscled, rock-hard, ripped body glistening with sweat."

NTTIAWWT
 
2014-01-01 10:46:46 AM  

mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche


Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?
 
2014-01-01 10:53:19 AM  
He really should have just said "it doesn't matter whether I like men or women, all that matters is that I'm a Packer."
 
2014-01-01 10:53:38 AM  

Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?


They won't.  Cutler is the best QB the Bears have had since Sid Luckman, but since he doesn't smile enough, the people who wear Urlacher jerseys want to fire him and return to the previous 25 years of stellar QB play that the Bears endured.
 
2014-01-01 10:53:53 AM  

Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?


Roughly 0%. Ish.
 
2014-01-01 10:56:23 AM  

Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?


As a Packer fan, that's the scariest option for me.  Cutler has just been constant fail (from my perspective) McCown scares me as a QB, he's actually for the physical traits to pull it off, and the way he was running the Bear's offense was efficient.

If the Bears do as you are suggesting, they could have a contender next year, and either next draft or the draft after put a Aaron Rodgers type on as the backup to learn from the experienced  QB. Honestly, that's a process that I think is being lost, QBs are being drafted into starting positions, and rarely do teams allow a QB to sit behind someone with obvious experience and learn.  McCown could come out ahead here too, he gets a 3-5 year ish deal, front loaded (not "Peyton/Rodgers money, but decent) where he's the starter for 2/3 years, and then happily becomes the backup (if the right person is found).  The whole time, the defense can be addressed. (like doing what ever needs to be done to that safety who just let Cobb run by him on 4th and 8... "This dude... with the broken leg? Naw, he's no threat"
 
2014-01-01 10:58:01 AM  

Kiribub: What difference does it make one way or the other?


Professional sports is the biggest haven of homophobia left in society outside of the evangelical church. I keep seeing retired athletes coming out as gay, and I think "Oh, ok, that's nice." But every time someone waits until they retire to come out, it is reinforcing the rule that you aren't allowed to be openly gay while actively playing a men's professional sport (I'm not counting diving and figure skating; I'm talking about the Big Four here.) Just once it would be nice to hear someone say "fark you, assholes. I'm gay and you are going to have to take the field against me next week or share a locker room with me. Deal with it."
 
2014-01-01 10:59:49 AM  

xaks: Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?

Roughly 0%. Ish.


What just because he's a free agent they can't trade him? Whatever man, you don't know anything. Cade McNowen is going to be the best QB ever.
 
2014-01-01 11:01:52 AM  
LarryDan43:
What just because he's a free agent they can't trade him? Whatever man, you don't know anything. Cade McNowen is going to be the best QB ever.

Well that's a fair point, they won't trade him (he's a free agent)... but if they were to let him walk...
 
2014-01-01 11:02:01 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: He really should have just said "it doesn't matter whether I like men or women, all that matters is that I'm a Packer."


THIS.

What I can't wait for is for the first one to go all 'Contender' and flat out say, "What? It's 2014. The question is so stupid it shouldn't even be asked, as noone that matters actually cares"

(Tip: The movie in question, The Contender, is brilliantly written and has really good performances by Gary Oldman, Jeff Bridges, Sam EIliott, and of all people Christian Slater. Rent it / stream it if you haven't seen it)
 
2014-01-01 11:05:47 AM  

mandoskippy: Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?

As a Packer fan, that's the scariest option for me.  Cutler has just been constant fail (from my perspective) McCown scares me as a QB, he's actually for the physical traits to pull it off, and the way he was running the Bear's offense was efficient.


McCown, the 34 year-old backup scares you?  There's a reason he's spent a couple years playing for the Hartford Colonials, and it's not because he's good.

We go through this every season.  A backup has several good games and suddenly he's the man to a certain segment of the fanbase.  Meanwhile, teams gather tape on him and quickly return him to mediocre status.  We went through this endlessly with Tebow.
 
2014-01-01 11:06:29 AM  

LarryDan43: xaks: Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?

Roughly 0%. Ish.

What just because he's a free agent they can't trade him? Whatever man, you don't know anything. Cade McNowen is going to be the best QB ever.


It isn't that "he's a free agent and they can't trade him".

Its that he is head-and-shoulders above any past quarterback they've had in the last 20 years, and he's given them just enough success to make the front office rightly fear the PR backlash from doing the smart football thing and getting rid of him. The idiot Bear fans would go completely batshiat.

The smart Bear fans (the very quiet, very tiny minority) that would refrain from saying anything much out loud but are quietly nodding affirm this.
 
2014-01-01 11:07:36 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: He really should have just said "it doesn't matter whether I like men or women, all that matters is that I'm a Packer."


No, what he really should have said is "What business is it of yours or anybody else's?"
 
2014-01-01 11:08:01 AM  

Rapmaster2000: mandoskippy: Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?

As a Packer fan, that's the scariest option for me.  Cutler has just been constant fail (from my perspective) McCown scares me as a QB, he's actually for the physical traits to pull it off, and the way he was running the Bear's offense was efficient.

McCown, the 34 year-old backup scares you?  There's a reason he's spent a couple years playing for the Hartford Colonials, and it's not because he's good.

We go through this every season.  A backup has several good games and suddenly he's the man to a certain segment of the fanbase.  Meanwhile, teams gather tape on him and quickly return him to mediocre status.  We went through this endlesslyrecently with TebowFlynn.


FTFY
 
2014-01-01 11:08:11 AM  

xaks: FirstNationalBastard: He really should have just said "it doesn't matter whether I like men or women, all that matters is that I'm a Packer."

THIS.

What I can't wait for is for the first one to go all 'Contender' and flat out say, "What? It's 2014. The question is so stupid it shouldn't even be asked, as noone that matters actually cares"

(Tip: The movie in question, The Contender, is brilliantly written and has really good performances by Gary Oldman, Jeff Bridges, Sam EIliott, and of all people Christian Slater. Rent it / stream it if you haven't seen it)


Here's the problem I have with that.  While yes, that would be the smart thing to say, the "right" thing to say; it doesn't kill the controversy.  It would actually spin things up, and in the week before a big playoff game, that's a terrible thing to do to his team.

It' a timing thing, you don't want media attention, you don't want reporters asking questions to your team mates about your comments, you want focus on a game, What Rodgers says gets that, it may not make everyone happy, but it makes the controversy go away, and lets Rodgers and his team to focus on their jobs.  Perhaps in the offseason I'd agree, but not now.
 
2014-01-01 11:09:07 AM  

mandoskippy: LarryDan43:
What just because he's a free agent they can't trade him? Whatever man, you don't know anything. Cade McNowen is going to be the best QB ever.


Not sure is serious...

Well that's a fair point, they won't trade him (he's a free agent)... but if they were to let him walk...

Again...not sure if serious...

Cade McNown, former UCLA QB and Bears mid 90s draft bus < Josh McCown, former High School coach now serviceable Bears back-up QB.
 
2014-01-01 11:09:50 AM  
The story started from "Perez Hilton", the douchbag gay guy needs to get punched in the face again so he disappears for another year.
 
2014-01-01 11:10:50 AM  

Rapmaster2000: mandoskippy: Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?

As a Packer fan, that's the scariest option for me.  Cutler has just been constant fail (from my perspective) McCown scares me as a QB, he's actually for the physical traits to pull it off, and the way he was running the Bear's offense was efficient.

McCown, the 34 year-old backup scares you?  There's a reason he's spent a couple years playing for the Hartford Colonials, and it's not because he's good.

We go through this every season.  A backup has several good games and suddenly he's the man to a certain segment of the fanbase.  Meanwhile, teams gather tape on him and quickly return him to mediocre status.  We went through this endlessly with Tebow.


Perhaps...  As a Packers fan I just don't care that much about the Bears. What I saw from McCown was better play, more poise, and better leadership. When I see Cutler play it's about trying to prove something, everytime Cutler plays the Packers it's like he's scream  "no, watch I AM REAL QUARTERBACK"
 
2014-01-01 11:11:37 AM  
I think what Rodgers would have preferred to say is 'seriously, this is the worst possible time to be even having this discussion even if it were true; I've got a goddamn playoff game to practice for against a team that kicked our ass earlier in the season, now can you just drop it so I can go practice for that?' But he couldn't get away with that, so he went with this.
 
2014-01-01 11:11:46 AM  

xaks: Rapmaster2000: mandoskippy: Kiribub: mandoskippy: Kiribub: They have a real quarterback, they just didn't play him the last two weeks. :D

Touche

Tnx. Off topic, but what's the likelihood they trade Cutler (cap space), re-sign McCown, and rebuild the defense during the offseason?

As a Packer fan, that's the scariest option for me.  Cutler has just been constant fail (from my perspective) McCown scares me as a QB, he's actually for the physical traits to pull it off, and the way he was running the Bear's offense was efficient.

McCown, the 34 year-old backup scares you?  There's a reason he's spent a couple years playing for the Hartford Colonials, and it's not because he's good.

We go through this every season.  A backup has several good games and suddenly he's the man to a certain segment of the fanbase.  Meanwhile, teams gather tape on him and quickly return him to mediocre status.  We went through this endlesslyrecently with TebowFlynn.

FTFY


This says it better than I could.  McCown put up good numbers against the worst pass defenses in the NFL.

http://www.chicagonow.com/daily-chicago-sports-tab/2013/12/chicago-b ea rs-the-josh-mccown-myth/

But since we're the Bears, we go through this constantly.  Between reminiscing about the '85 Bears and praising Ditka we return to the age-old ritual of needing a new QB.
 
2014-01-01 11:13:27 AM  

Misconduc: The story started from "Perez Hilton", the douchbag gay guy needs to get punched in the face again so he disappears for another year.


Oh, that idiot? Perez just starts shiat for the sake of starting shiat. He's like King Farkwad of Paparazzi Mountain. You can safely ignore anything that comes out of his mouth.
 
2014-01-01 11:13:42 AM  

xaks: FirstNationalBastard: He really should have just said "it doesn't matter whether I like men or women, all that matters is that I'm a Packer."

THIS.


And it's on Fark because he didn't. Funny how that works.
 
2014-01-01 11:15:57 AM  
mandoskippy:
Perhaps...  As a Packers fan I just don't care that much about the Bears. What I saw from McCown was better play, more poise, and better leadership. When I see Cutler play it's about trying to prove something, everytime Cutler plays the Packers it's like he's scream  "no, watch I AM REAL QUARTERBACK"

Poise.  Leadership.  These are Grudenisms.   People hate Cutler because he's not "we came to play" and various other platitudes in the postgame press conference.  The biggest knock on Cutler is that the fans don't find him cuddly.  Good for him.  It's pathetic how fans need to be mollycoddled by players.  He doesn't have to be likeable.  Get over it, America.
 
2014-01-01 11:17:51 AM  

Gosling: I think what Rodgers would have preferred to say is 'seriously, this is the worst possible time to be even having this discussion even if it were true; I've got a goddamn playoff game to practice for against a team that kicked our ass earlier in the season, now can you just drop it so I can go practice for that?' But he couldn't get away with that, so he went with this.


That's the point. We are in 2014 and are still tiptoeing around with "He couldn't get away with that".

Yes he could. He would catch some hell for it because noone else has done it. But he could. I wish he would, FFS. The question shouldn't even be asked because it doesn't matter and it has been proven already not to matter.
 
2014-01-01 11:24:52 AM  
i wish that one of these celebrities faced with gay rumors would come and say, "sure, i'm gay, whatever."  and then make sure they are always photographed in public surrounded by hot babes, and making out with numerous playboy models at some nightclub.  then when people say they are bisexual, deny it.  "no way am i bisexual, that is a terrible rumor.  i totally am gay and only like having sex with men."  then go out and start banging hot chicks all the time.  i think the celebrity media would have a coronary trying to figure out how to deal with that.
 
2014-01-01 11:26:41 AM  

Gosling: Misconduc: The story started from "Perez Hilton", the douchbag gay guy needs to get punched in the face again so he disappears for another year.

Oh, that idiot? Perez just starts shiat for the sake of starting shiat. He's like King Farkwad of Paparazzi Mountain. You can safely ignore anything that comes out of his mouth.


Unless it's Aaron Rodgers's cock.

That would be newsworthy.
 
2014-01-01 11:32:50 AM  

enderthexenocide: i wish that one of these celebrities faced with gay rumors would come and say, "sure, i'm gay, whatever."  and then make sure they are always photographed in public surrounded by hot babes, and making out with numerous playboy models at some nightclub.  then when people say they are bisexual, deny it.  "no way am i bisexual, that is a terrible rumor.  i totally am gay and only like having sex with men."  then go out and start banging hot chicks all the time.  i think the celebrity media would have a coronary trying to figure out how to deal with that.


Right now I think the media can only deal with 'gay'. As soon as you come out, that's that. The whole rest of your career, it's the gay label and buttsex jokes in anything written about you. It's what Anderson Cooper was trying to avoid the whole time before he got basically press-ganged into coming out.
 
2014-01-01 11:45:56 AM  

Rapmaster2000: mandoskippy:
Perhaps...  As a Packers fan I just don't care that much about the Bears. What I saw from McCown was better play, more poise, and better leadership. When I see Cutler play it's about trying to prove something, everytime Cutler plays the Packers it's like he's scream  "no, watch I AM REAL QUARTERBACK"

Poise.  Leadership.  These are Grudenisms.   People hate Cutler because he's not "we came to play" and various other platitudes in the postgame press conference.  The biggest knock on Cutler is that the fans don't find him cuddly.  Good for him.  It's pathetic how fans need to be mollycoddled by players.  He doesn't have to be likeable.  Get over it, America.


That's just the thing... I am not talking about his likability, I am talking about the childish need to try to "prove" he's a great quarterback by taking stupid risks in games.  I think he has one win against the Packers, ( like I said, this is from my perspective, I only watch him when we are playing him).

It seems like he tries to prove he's real quarterback by taking big risks in big games... risks that don't pan out. That's not Poise, that's not Leadership. That's selfishness, that's "look at me I need more attention".

It's not about how emo he is when he's damaged his vagina on the sidelines, I don't give a crap about that, it's about the play on the field.  So I think is record starting against the Packers is now 1w vs 9l?  Awesome.  We'll take it.
 
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