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(USA Today)   If your six-year-old plays cops & robbers, draws pictures of ninjas or plays with imaginary friends, then according to zero tolerance in schools, he's a danger and must be dealt with   (usatoday.com) divider line 158
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2013-12-31 03:41:52 PM
People that complain about this stuff would do well to start examining some of the factors that lead to asinine auto-suspension/expulsion policies, such as how school boards are elected and how much influence screaming, irrational parents wield at all levels of the educational system from the classroom on up.

But then that would take away from the "let's privatize all the schools because someone has to make money, right?" narrative that the waterheads at Instapundit like to push.
 
2013-12-31 04:08:17 PM
nation of pussies
 
2013-12-31 04:22:23 PM
Nation of Fear, etc...
 
2013-12-31 04:23:58 PM
Nation of imaginary friends.
 
2013-12-31 04:24:43 PM
See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?

www.aaronniequist.com
 
2013-12-31 04:24:55 PM
Nation of Islam
 
2013-12-31 04:25:55 PM

Cagey B: People that complain about this stuff would do well to start examining some of the factors that lead to asinine auto-suspension/expulsion policies, such as how school boards are elected and how much influence screaming, irrational parents wield at all levels of the educational system from the classroom on up.

But then that would take away from the "let's privatize all the schools because someone has to make money, right?" narrative that the waterheads at Instapundit like to push.


No kidding. It's the parents that push this crap. School boards are deathly afraid of parents, especially the stupid ones.
 
2013-12-31 04:27:08 PM

hardinparamedic: See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?


Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness
 
2013-12-31 04:27:20 PM
He's not necessarily wrong, but he is an a-hole. Besides, he's a professor in TENNESSEE. He's pointing fingers about educational rigor?
 
2013-12-31 04:27:55 PM

cardex: Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness


Look. Only if we round up all the weaboos
 
2013-12-31 04:28:42 PM
The airsoft groups roaming the creeks on many neighborhoods would send some of these folks over the edge.  Looks like Sandanistas have taken over on my street.  I have taught many of them the difference between cover and concealment, and yes I will shoot you where you are not wearing protection

www.mrconservative.com

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-31 04:29:09 PM

vudukungfu: nation of pussies


Well put, considering that Zero Tolerance is the name of a pr0n studio...
 
2013-12-31 04:30:12 PM
When I was in 2nd grade I used to draw pictures of nazis and darth vader and the Red Baron and the RAF and Chicago Bears all battling it out with machine guns. I'm glad I'm not in school nowadays.
 
2013-12-31 04:30:37 PM
We no longer cater to the majority, but are fearful of the outspoken minority. Sadly, it is all about CYA when it comes to most things now due to our litigious society. IMO, people that bring outlandish suits against schools, companies, or individuals - should not only have to pay the other party's legal fees, but also any loss of revenue or wages AND have to do Community Service. This is the reason kids can't do anything fun at recess, this is a major reason why healthcare procedures cost what they do, and this is why we can't have nice things. Just today, we had a delivery guy bring us a package and for no freaking reason what-so-ever decided to jump over our railing of our delivery ramp (which is a good 3' drop off) I guess because he was feeling athletic. Of course, he totally misjudged things and almost face-planted. That is absolutely no fault of ours as a business that this individual was a dipshiat and decided to attempt parkour. We have safety rails that had to pass 3 different inspections, a ramp grade that had to be redone for new code purposes etc. Sadly, NONE of this protects us. We put our best effort forward, and yet we allow stupid individuals a free-pass to sue anyone or thing they want to, no matter how stupid or off-base it may be.
 
2013-12-31 04:30:40 PM
Classic goalpost movement from liberals.  Any conservative would agree that a children's time is best spent doing productive things, like doing chores, sweeping chimneys, or working in my factories.  And yet, here we are: "Children under 15 can't work."  "Locking children in cages is cruel."  "I can't harvest organs from kids who fail a grade."  Lol.  This country is a joke.
 
2013-12-31 04:33:28 PM
You mean dealt with..
www.carrollcounseling.com
Or "dealt with"?
aytiws.com
 
2013-12-31 04:34:14 PM

Girl Sailor: When I was in 2nd grade I used to draw pictures of nazis and darth vader and the Red Baron and the RAF and Chicago Bears all battling it out with machine guns. I'm glad I'm not in school nowadays.


Yeah. Drawing the Chicago Bears would be embarrassing nowadays.
 
2013-12-31 04:37:30 PM

cardex: hardinparamedic: See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?

Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness


Psalm 14:1. The fool[a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good
 
2013-12-31 04:38:12 PM
every response but the right one

/go USA
//nation of the clueless
 
2013-12-31 04:40:20 PM
Dear America,

www.ironydesign.com
 
2013-12-31 04:41:37 PM
0.tqn.com
 
2013-12-31 04:42:54 PM

Lee451: cardex: hardinparamedic: See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?

Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness

Psalm 14:1. The fool[a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good


I'm convinced.
 
2013-12-31 04:45:51 PM

Girl Sailor: When I was in 2nd grade I used to draw pictures of nazis and darth vader and the Red Baron and the RAF and Chicago Bears all battling it out with machine guns. I'm glad I'm not in school nowadays.


I think you and I would have communicated in solitary confinement via a series of taps. I sure used the heck out of the red colored pencil for my drawings.
 
2013-12-31 04:47:38 PM

Girl Sailor: When I was in 2nd grade I used to draw pictures of nazis and darth vader and the Red Baron and the RAF and Chicago Bears all battling it out with machine guns. I'm glad I'm not in school nowadays.


Considering you were in 2nd grade in 1944 that's not surprising.

\Your lawn I'm getting off it since Ford was President.
 
2013-12-31 04:48:03 PM
An America where.....


www.deonandan.com

........constitutes a criminal offense is one I don't wish to reside in.

/*sigh* Too late.
 
2013-12-31 04:50:54 PM
Some year I was in high school, about 1977, I was reading "The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" in the school cafeteria.  The next day my parents got call warning them of my strange 'behavior'.  My mom thought it was some sort of joke and laughed it off.  This type of crazy has been around a long time
 
2013-12-31 04:55:05 PM

Mike_LowELL: Classic goalpost movement from liberals.  Any conservative would agree that a children's time is best spent doing productive things, like doing chores, sweeping chimneys, or working in my factories.  And yet, here we are: "Children under 15 can't work."  "Locking children in cages is cruel."  "I can't harvest organs from kids who fail a grade."  Lol.  This country is a joke.


Man, I love you.
 
2013-12-31 04:55:42 PM

duke3522: Some year I was in high school, about 1977, I was reading "The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" in the school cafeteria.  The next day my parents got call warning them of my strange 'behavior'.  My mom thought it was some sort of joke and laughed it off.  This type of crazy has been around a long time


Did your copy have a big swastika on it? I bought one that doesn't because when I borrowed the library copy that did people gave me crap when they saw it.
 
2013-12-31 04:55:59 PM

gnosis301: Lee451: cardex: hardinparamedic: See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?

Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness

Psalm 14:1. The fool[a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good

I'm convinced.


John 12:40. The Lord has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts--so that their eyes cannot see, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and have me heal them."

It makes little difference to me if you are convinced or not. Only God knows what is in your heart.
 
2013-12-31 04:56:38 PM

Danger Avoid Death: [0.tqn.com image 492x488]


Came to post this, with outrage when the president clearly is invisible as well.

www.vibe.com
 
2013-12-31 05:01:11 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mike_LowELL: Classic goalpost movement from liberals.  Any conservative would agree that a children's time is best spent doing productive things, like doing chores, sweeping chimneys, or working in my factories.  And yet, here we are: "Children under 15 can't work."  "Locking children in cages is cruel."  "I can't harvest organs from kids who fail a grade."  Lol.  This country is a joke.

Man, I love you.


It's always hilarious to see people who don't know what he does take the bait.
 
2013-12-31 05:02:01 PM
School's are just afraid to get sued, and so they give in to stupidity. That's all.
 
2013-12-31 05:02:27 PM

the money is in the banana stand: We no longer cater to the majority, but are fearful of the outspoken minority. Sadly, it is all about CYA when it comes to most things now due to our litigious society. IMO, people that bring outlandish suits against schools, companies, or individuals - should not only have to pay the other party's legal fees, but also any loss of revenue or wages AND have to do Community Service. This is the reason kids can't do anything fun at recess, this is a major reason why healthcare procedures cost what they do, and this is why we can't have nice things. Just today, we had a delivery guy bring us a package and for no freaking reason what-so-ever decided to jump over our railing of our delivery ramp (which is a good 3' drop off) I guess because he was feeling athletic. Of course, he totally misjudged things and almost face-planted. That is absolutely no fault of ours as a business that this individual was a dipshiat and decided to attempt parkour. We have safety rails that had to pass 3 different inspections, a ramp grade that had to be redone for new code purposes etc. Sadly, NONE of this protects us. We put our best effort forward, and yet we allow stupid individuals a free-pass to sue anyone or thing they want to, no matter how stupid or off-base it may be.


Loser pays is an excellent soundbite but horrible in reality. It punishes people who bring a case in good faith but lose for whatever reason
 
2013-12-31 05:04:22 PM

Lee451: cardex: hardinparamedic: See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?

Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness

Psalm 14:1. The fool[a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good


Someone early on realized that "Oh, yeah!" and " 'cuz I say so!" wouldn't be enough for even the simplest argument.

Ezekiel 23:20 "For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. "

There. Take that!
 
2013-12-31 05:05:00 PM
When liberals set the rules this is the insanity that results.
 
2013-12-31 05:10:16 PM

Warlordtrooper: the money is in the banana stand: We no longer cater to the majority, but are fearful of the outspoken minority. Sadly, it is all about CYA when it comes to most things now due to our litigious society. IMO, people that bring outlandish suits against schools, companies, or individuals - should not only have to pay the other party's legal fees, but also any loss of revenue or wages AND have to do Community Service. This is the reason kids can't do anything fun at recess, this is a major reason why healthcare procedures cost what they do, and this is why we can't have nice things. Just today, we had a delivery guy bring us a package and for no freaking reason what-so-ever decided to jump over our railing of our delivery ramp (which is a good 3' drop off) I guess because he was feeling athletic. Of course, he totally misjudged things and almost face-planted. That is absolutely no fault of ours as a business that this individual was a dipshiat and decided to attempt parkour. We have safety rails that had to pass 3 different inspections, a ramp grade that had to be redone for new code purposes etc. Sadly, NONE of this protects us. We put our best effort forward, and yet we allow stupid individuals a free-pass to sue anyone or thing they want to, no matter how stupid or off-base it may be.

Loser pays is an excellent soundbite but horrible in reality. It punishes people who bring a case in good faith but lose for whatever reason


His dream isn't "Loser pays"; it's when the judge should strike the case from the courts for being too ridiculous that the person who brought the case forward should have to pay.

Loser pays would cause all sorts of problems, but
Family who tries to sue a hair dryer company for not putting a label on the hairdryer about how hairdryers don't mix with showers/running water? Yeah, they should pay for wasting the courts' time. I'd settle for having to pay a fine for doing so. $500 sound good?
 
2013-12-31 05:12:31 PM

Warlordtrooper: Loser pays is an excellent soundbite but horrible in reality. It punishes people who bring a case in good faith but lose for whatever reason


I'm not saying the loser pays, but a frivolous or outrageous suit would result in this. The only problem, is I haven't quite determined how legally we would define this, since "common-sense" is subjective to the group or person. On one hand, I would want this to be a judge that would make this determination with the ability to appeal to a higher court. On the other hand, I would want this to be a determination of a jury which is more in line with our system of justice.

For example: If a kid is injured while playing freeze tag  and parents of all of the kids involved are brought into a suit, I would qualify this as frivolous. If a kid is seriously injured by a group of kids who were being bullies without any sort of provocation and the parents of all of the kids involved are brought into a suit, that is legitimate.
 
2013-12-31 05:12:43 PM

OnlyM3: When liberals set the rules this is the insanity that results.


I see nothing liberal in this zero tolerance policy. As a matter of fact, it strikes me as though the whole setup is socially  conservative in nature.
 
2013-12-31 05:13:34 PM

Girl Sailor: When I was in 2nd grade I used to draw pictures of nazis and darth vader and the Red Baron and the RAF and Chicago Bears all battling it out with machine guns. I'm glad I'm not in school nowadays.


Awesome!
 
2013-12-31 05:14:12 PM

JohnCarter: The airsoft groups roaming the creeks on many neighborhoods would send some of these folks over the edge.  Looks like Sandanistas have taken over on my street.  I have taught many of them the difference between cover and concealment, and yes I will shoot you where you are not wearing protection

[www.mrconservative.com image 500x375]

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x566]


The worst is having a paintball hit the mouth area of your mask, burst, and slingshot in like the tip of a whip and smack you on the lip.

Worse than through a bandana over a bald head.  Though, I've never been shot directly in the nuts....

/honest to god I didn't mean to use the rhymes, but can't be bothered to change it
//of course pictured appears to be airsoft, but the masks and your aiming strategy made me think of it.

gopher321: Nation of Fear, etc...


And this.  The nation is dying and it's everyone's fault.  We all have something we think other people should do or live like...left to right, anyone being political is just about an asshole or, paranoid or, delusional, or entirely too lacking in intellect.
 
2013-12-31 05:15:27 PM
Growing up it was cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, and us against the nazis. We used firecrackers and cherry bombs for grenades.(still have all my fingers).
Today when I look thru the toy department it is difficult to find guns and people look at you like you're crazy if you ask about them.
But these children that aren't allowed to play with toy guns can play all those lovely first person shooter games on the computer because that's not real so it's okay/
 
2013-12-31 05:16:07 PM
Are we still ridiculing the homeschooled because of skybully derp?

Your local school administrator can't touch your homeschooled kid.
 
2013-12-31 05:16:19 PM

the money is in the banana stand: Warlordtrooper: Loser pays is an excellent soundbite but horrible in reality. It punishes people who bring a case in good faith but lose for whatever reason

I'm not saying the loser pays, but a frivolous or outrageous suit would result in this. The only problem, is I haven't quite determined how legally we would define this, since "common-sense" is subjective to the group or person. On one hand, I would want this to be a judge that would make this determination with the ability to appeal to a higher court. On the other hand, I would want this to be a determination of a jury which is more in line with our system of justice.

For example: If a kid is injured while playing freeze tag  and parents of all of the kids involved are brought into a suit, I would qualify this as frivolous. If a kid is seriously injured by a group of kids who were being bullies without any sort of provocation and the parents of all of the kids involved are brought into a suit, that is legitimate.


Personally, I feel the bully situation would be best solved by charging all the kids with battery/assault, and suing the parents of said bullies for criminal negligence because they raised little criminals.

Overall, I agree with you.

Now: What if it could be proved that the one kid assaulted by the group actually has a history of criminally terrorizing the neighborhood, and happens to have the richest parents?
Affluenza?
 
2013-12-31 05:17:42 PM

wildcardjack: Lee451: cardex: hardinparamedic: See, this is a problem. Millions of adults play with imaginary friends every Sunday, and they're not crazy. Why should the children be treated any different?

Good point the millions who believe in invisible sky wizards should be treated for mental illness

Psalm 14:1. The fool[a] says in his heart,
"There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile;
there is no one who does good

Someone early on realized that "Oh, yeah!" and " 'cuz I say so!" wouldn't be enough for even the simplest argument.

Ezekiel 23:20 "For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. "

There. Take that!


John 11:35: "Jesus wept."
 
2013-12-31 05:18:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: Man, I love you.


Everyone loves me.  I'm a lovable guy.
 
2013-12-31 05:21:30 PM
we played federation and klingons. are we ok?
 
2013-12-31 05:22:29 PM
All my six year old wants to do is be a Pirate or a Ninja, he either has a giant balloon basball bat (his sword) or is using his fingers as a gun PEW PEW PEW. I am not sure what to do. It is totaly harmless, but the more you make a fuss and tell him he can't do the more he wants to. WTF school says no making a gun with your fingers, try to tell that logic to a six year old. Thats what his friends do all day long, they see no harm in it, but if you keep restricting it I think it makes it worse.
 
2013-12-31 05:23:21 PM
liberals
 
2013-12-31 05:25:37 PM
Nation of Millions
 
2013-12-31 05:25:48 PM
It's already well-established that education majors have the lowest test scores of any college major, but nonetheless tend to graduate with high grades.

Thought this was interesting - bears out what I saw in college.  The progression of majors tended to be something like:

STEM (engineering had it's own progression - EE/Aero -> Mech -> Civil -> Industrial)
liberal arts
business
education
drop-out

I had some friends in education (who started there) who complained about the "last resort" education majors who weren't actually passionate about it, but had gravitated to the option that promised a degree with the least amount of effort.

Since then, I've got kids of my own in school and I know many teachers pretty well (family, friends, wives of coworkers) and the difference still persists.  There is an enormous range of quality in the teaching profession, and where I know the person well enough, it typically  follows the above divide - the good teachers were passionate about it and started in education, the crappy ones sunk to it.  The best teachers, in my experience, came to it as a second career after excelling in their first.

If teachers want better pay and respect, they need to raise the standards of their profession.
 
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