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(Huffington Post)   Billionaire upset with the Pope's comments about capitalism says he may withhold donation, will instead spend the money on an attempt to get a camel through the eye of a needle   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 211
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2013-12-31 11:22:28 AM
I, for one, am really enjoying seeing all the super-conservative Catholics look like deer in headlights, not really knowing what to do with the Pope's comments on issues like this.  I can almost hear the record scratch noise.

Hey guys, Papal infallibility is your idea, not mine.
 
2013-12-31 11:24:28 AM
Oh noes. However shall the Mother Church carry on?

It's his money, go ahead and give or don't give, but don't pretend that it's ever been about the Pope or the Church...
 
2013-12-31 11:26:14 AM
Ugh... the quotes in that article make me wish someone would flip over the tables and drive Dolan out of St. Patrick's cathedral with a whip.
 
2013-12-31 11:31:44 AM
Years ago, I remember watching a skit on SNL (I think?) about a billionaire finding Jesus, and then pledged to use half of his vast fortune...to genetically engineer a camel small enough to fit through the eye of a needle.
 
2013-12-31 11:32:38 AM

Trivia Jockey: I, for one, am really enjoying seeing all the super-conservative Catholics look like deer in headlights, not really knowing what to do with the Pope's comments on issues like this.  I can almost hear the record scratch noise.

Hey guys, Papal infallibility is your idea, not mine.


Hey, the Pope hasn't actually said anything technically infallible yet. Just using those pesky Gospels.
 
2013-12-31 11:35:06 AM

simplicimus: Hey, the Pope hasn't actually said anything technically infallible yet.


?

I thought anything he says about Catholic doctrine is infallible.  When he's telling people that Catholicism is about helping the poor and not amassing wealth, isn't he speaking on doctrine?
 
2013-12-31 11:35:10 AM
+1 Subby.
 
2013-12-31 11:38:20 AM
Religion is all well and good until it starts to hurt the bottom line.
 
2013-12-31 11:42:31 AM
"In places like Argentina, what they call free enterprise is a combination of socialism and crony capitalism,"

Good Lord.
 
2013-12-31 11:47:18 AM
Oh that poor sensitive rich person...I really feel for him. He should go buy a tropical island and take a month off to ponder his predicament.
 
2013-12-31 11:47:31 AM

Trivia Jockey: simplicimus: Hey, the Pope hasn't actually said anything technically infallible yet.

?

I thought anything he says about Catholic doctrine is infallible.  When he's telling people that Catholicism is about helping the poor and not amassing wealth, isn't he speaking on doctrine?


Existing Catholic doctrine. Not anything new. The Pope is just emphasizing one part of doctrine over another. If he adds anything to existing doctrine, there's a formal process to go through before he speaks ex cathedra and is considered infallible.
 
2013-12-31 11:50:15 AM

simplicimus: If he adds anything to existing doctrine, there's a formal process to go through before he speaks ex cathedra and is considered infallible.


Does he have to go through the Cardinals?  That's a lot of 'red tape'.
nyuk nyuk
 
2013-12-31 11:55:46 AM
At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.
 
2013-12-31 11:56:40 AM
That reads like The Onion.

You can almost picture Jon Stewart doing his asshole rich New Yorker voice will reading some of those quotes. "Hey, Pope, I get whatcha sayin', but you didn't mean me, right?"
 
2013-12-31 11:56:58 AM

Pavia_Resistance: Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


Duh, trickle down.  Haven't you been paying attention?
 
2013-12-31 12:04:03 PM
Villa con Dios, pendejo
 
2013-12-31 12:05:19 PM
Bravo Subby.
 
2013-12-31 12:07:53 PM

Trivia Jockey: simplicimus: Hey, the Pope hasn't actually said anything technically infallible yet.

?

I thought anything he says about Catholic doctrine is infallible.  When he's telling people that Catholicism is about helping the poor and not amassing wealth, isn't he speaking on doctrine?


That's what I thought.  In addition the Sermon is one of the relatively few times Jesus speaks in the Bible and if all of Christianity holds a handful of pages from it as the most sacred to the point of being a centerpiece of their religion, the Sermon is certainly included.  It's amazing how few Christians can adhere to its simple doctrines for even a fraction of their day.
 
2013-12-31 12:12:58 PM

UberDave: Trivia Jockey: simplicimus: Hey, the Pope hasn't actually said anything technically infallible yet.

?

I thought anything he says about Catholic doctrine is infallible.  When he's telling people that Catholicism is about helping the poor and not amassing wealth, isn't he speaking on doctrine?

That's what I thought.  In addition the Sermon is one of the relatively few times Jesus speaks in the Bible and if all of Christianity holds a handful of pages from it as the most sacred to the point of being a centerpiece of their religion, the Sermon is certainly included.  It's amazing how few Christians can adhere to its simple doctrines for even a fraction of their day.


The doctrine is already infallible, having been made so by previous Popes. I guess I'm just splitting hairs here.
 
2013-12-31 12:16:31 PM
For sale:

dumc.my

Price is 10 million dollars
 
2013-12-31 12:21:46 PM
Arthur Brooks, head of the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank that promotes free markets, said he agrees that the pope's beliefs are likely informed by his Argentine heritage.
 "In places like Argentina, what they call free enterprise is a combination of socialism and crony capitalism," he said.

"For American Catholics and Americans in general, we have a moral responsibility to the poor to spread the word of true free enterprise around the world,"


You can tell at which alter this hypocrite really worships. fark what the Pope says, the free market is the True Word of God.
 
2013-12-31 12:26:25 PM
Yeah, that Jesus - he said a lot of crazy things.
 
2013-12-31 12:26:38 PM

Trivia Jockey: I, for one, am really enjoying seeing all the super-conservative Catholics look like deer in headlights, not really knowing what to do with the Pope's comments on issues like this.  I can almost hear the record scratch noise.

Hey guys, Papal infallibility is your idea, not mine.


Heh I read that as "PayPal infallibility"
 
2013-12-31 12:28:19 PM
It is going to take a bit more than upsetting those 1%'s to correct the direction of this world.
But, you go!

/this is turning out better than putting the black guy in the white house
 
2013-12-31 12:28:22 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


We should totally tear down shiat like the Sacre Couer Basilica of Montmartre because poor people.

/if the church only did what I wanted, then I'd be totally in agreement with the church!
 
2013-12-31 12:28:41 PM
Seriously commenting against the pope?

Not really going to fly accross the Midwest

Oh well save more money at menards
 
2013-12-31 12:29:53 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


They get to revel in the grandeur of the church.

/Or at least hear about it from the tourists, who are actually allowed inside.
//The Pope is only infallible when he says something you agree with.
 
2013-12-31 12:30:17 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


$180M would buy a lot of tents, eh?
 
2013-12-31 12:30:58 PM
The mob is strong with this one.
 
2013-12-31 12:32:31 PM
I'm guessing that most people don't know that the eye of needle was not referring to a literal eye of a needle.
Even a poor person's not getting through an eye of a needle.

So, your all going to hell.

Smoke em if you got em.
 
2013-12-31 12:32:56 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.



The $180 million should be used to build roads, vaccinate children, or provide clean water in poor countries.
 
2013-12-31 12:32:58 PM
Was The Pope sitting on that giant golden Pope Throne when he said Capitalism was bad? Because that would be nice.
 
2013-12-31 12:33:23 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


It gives the homeless a nicer place to get in out of the cold, until a Priest makes them leave.
 
2013-12-31 12:33:23 PM

legion_of_doo: Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.

We should totally tear down shiat like the Sacre Couer Basilica of Montmartre because poor people.

/if the church only did what I wanted, then I'd be totally in agreement with the church!


Hey, you can have your Sacre Couer, just don't pretend it has anything to do with Jesus.

/Haven't you ever seen the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?
 
2013-12-31 12:34:32 PM
The Pope convinced a hoarder to share his hoard? That's nice.

How's his priest child abuse committee doing?
 
2013-12-31 12:34:50 PM

Starshines: //The Pope is only infallible when he says something you agree with.


Um, no. There is official dogma about when the pope is or is not infallible. The thingy he released does not qualify for a number of reasons, chief of which is he is talking about things that are already existing beliefs that are straight from the Bible.
 
2013-12-31 12:35:13 PM
Spend $180 million to renovate an old building that is only there for tourists or . . .
 
2013-12-31 12:35:15 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


Langone is a colossal asshole. My wife has met him. He had NYU Medical Center renamed after him after he gave them a boat of cash, which cost millions for signs, letterheads, cards, etc to be renamed.
 
2013-12-31 12:35:20 PM

Pavia_Resistance: At issue is an effort to raise $180 million for the restoration of St. Patrick's Cathedralin New York being spearheaded by billionaire Ken Langone, the investor known for founding Home Depot, among other things.

Lot of money to spend on a church. Not sure how this helps the poor.


Maybe they can get heated steps for them to sleep on.
 
2013-12-31 12:35:22 PM
Pope Frank could raise more than "7 figures" selling off the bathroom fixtures in the Papal Villa.  And I wouldn't put it past him to do it, either.  He just kicked "Bishop Bling" out of a residence refurbished to the tune of $40M without breaking a sweat.
 
2013-12-31 12:36:11 PM

Sgt Otter: Years ago, I remember watching a skit on SNL (I think?) about a billionaire finding Jesus, and then pledged to use half of his vast fortune...to genetically engineer a camel small enough to fit through the eye of a needle.


I think the trick is not so much to shrink the camels as it is to manufacture a gigantic needle.
 
2013-12-31 12:38:46 PM
The Pope appears to only be God's representative on earth until he says something the rich disagree with. Who knew religion was really about money?
 
2013-12-31 12:39:02 PM

Trivia Jockey: simplicimus: Hey, the Pope hasn't actually said anything technically infallible yet.

?

I thought anything he says about Catholic doctrine is infallible.  When he's telling people that Catholicism is about helping the poor and not amassing wealth, isn't he speaking on doctrine?


That isn't what papal infallibility is. He has to speak as head of the College of Bishops on an issue of doctrine that is causing serious division within the Church and both/all the positions have equal or near-equal validity. Then and only then, his tie-breaker is considered infallible. It has only been used 3 whole times, with one of those establishing itself. The Church has retroactively rewritten history to include situations kinda similar from before the 1800s, and it still only counts there as being about a dozen to a score examples in all its history. By definition, even if a Pope really, really believes in some idea, he can't invoke papal infallibility unless there is some existential crisis in the Church - and I don't think hating on rich pricks can be considered a fringe idea considered Jesus His Own Damn Self beat on them like redheaded stepchildren
 
2013-12-31 12:39:14 PM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Sgt Otter: Years ago, I remember watching a skit on SNL (I think?) about a billionaire finding Jesus, and then pledged to use half of his vast fortune...to genetically engineer a camel small enough to fit through the eye of a needle.

I think the trick is not so much to shrink the camels as it is to manufacture a gigantic needle.



Not only would it be cheaper, it would be a tourist attraction. You could sell tickets, and give a portion of the proceeds to the poor.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-12-31 12:39:18 PM

autopsybeverage: Was The Pope sitting on that giant golden Pope Throne when he said Capitalism was bad? Because that would be nice.


Pope Francis sits in a plain chair.
 
2013-12-31 12:39:39 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Arthur Brooks, head of the American Enterprise Institute, a think tank that promotes free markets, said he agrees that the pope's beliefs are likely informed by his Argentine heritage.
 "In places like Argentina, what they call free enterprise is a combination of socialism and crony capitalism," he said.

"For American Catholics and Americans in general, we have a moral responsibility to the poor to spread the word of true free enterprise around the world,"

You can tell at which alter this hypocrite really worships. fark what the Pope says, the free market is the True Word of God.


When you realize that a large portion of people who say they speak for God are more men of gold than men of God, it makes total sense.
 
2013-12-31 12:39:50 PM

tallguywithglasseson: You can tell at which alter this hypocrite really worships. fark what the Pope says, the free market is the True Word of God.


*snerk*
Worships at alter altar boys?
*channels Mills Lane*
"I'll allow it."

The object of worship? Mammon.
/(That's Hebrew for money.)
 
2013-12-31 12:40:36 PM

legion_of_doo: /if the church only did what I wanted, then I'd be totally in agreement with the church!


Every fark religion thread ever. In one sentence. Well done.
 
2013-12-31 12:40:43 PM
Whoever would have thought that those people - who have spent millennia making the words of a man of peace, love, community and antimaterialism look like those of militant elitism - would eventually have to face the music?

Oh wait, Jesus did.  "You're going to find that there will be times when people will have no stomach for solid teaching, but will fill up on spiritual junk food-catchy opinions that tickle their fancy. They'll turn their backs on truth and chase mirages. But you-keep your eye on what you're doing; accept the hard times along with the good; keep the Message alive; do a thorough job as God's servant."  2 Timothy 4:3-5
 
2013-12-31 12:40:49 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: The Pope convinced a hoarder to share his hoard? That's nice.

How's his priest child abuse committee doing?


He's pushing hard but meeting a lot of resistance, hopefully with some elbow grease he'll be able to push the issue through.
 
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