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(Fox News)   Congress is letting 55 tax breaks expire at the end of this year. FIFTY FIVE. I mean, it would have been one thing if they let 40 expire, or 45, or hell, even 50. But FIFTY FIVE??? RIP America, 1776 - 2013   (foxnews.com) divider line 20
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2013-12-31 12:42:28 PM
3 votes:
FTFA

"As the Senate wound down its 2013 session, Democratic leaders made a late push to extend many of the tax breaks by asking Republican colleagues to pass a package on the floor of the Senate without debate or amendments. Republicans objected, saying it wasn't a serious offer, and the effort failed."

Even if you don't agree with some or all the tax breaks, passing them would eliminate the uncertainty for businesses or individuals. Then, a real effort at debate for tax reform could address these issues in the next Congress.
Of course that presupposes that these people actually want to debate and solve problems, as opposed to obstruct, undermine, and dismantle gov't for political points.
2013-12-31 01:55:11 PM
2 votes:

Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.


This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Or maybe he/she just lives in a suburban sprawl wasteland?

If I had to live in suburban sprawl, I would be bitter too I guess.
2013-12-31 01:43:36 PM
2 votes:
So the Republicans are raising taxes.

Because that's how they'd be spinning it if the Dems controlled the House.

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2013-12-31 01:28:08 PM
2 votes:

Rueened: joness0154: Rueened: joness0154: Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.   Idiots.

So they did something sensible after all...?

Raise the driving benefit and lower the public transit benefit? Sensible? Really?

It's partial compensation for all the taxes I pay to keep my car on the road.

Protip: punishing people who work and create wealth deters them from working and creating wealth.


That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth (nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving. Congress has failed to do that.
2013-12-31 12:40:17 PM
2 votes:
The one that really hits home is the public transit deduction.  Up until today, I could set aside up to $245 pre-tax for public transit costs (my monthly train ticket is $160 or so).  Starting tomorrow, I can only get $130 monthly benefit.  The PITA is cutting a check for the extra $30 or so I need on top of my monthly transit check.

Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.  Idiots.
2013-12-31 12:29:22 PM
2 votes:
When no one was looking, Congress let fifty-five tax breaks expire. They killed 55 tax breaks.
That's as many as five elevens.
And that's terrible.
2013-12-31 04:22:47 PM
1 votes:
Now all we need is to return to pre-Reagan levels of taxes on the wealthy and we might actually solve our debt crisis. Debt= revenue - spending, republicans seem to have forgotten that you can get out of debt ways other than eliminating food stamps and programs to help the poor.
2013-12-31 03:36:10 PM
1 votes:

zeroman987: BojanglesPaladin: zeroman987: This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Do you think that a bus moving two people is LESS pollution than the average car?
Or are you saying that buses never run empty or with too few passengers?
Or are you saying that buses are always better maintained than automobiles?

I'm trying to determine what exactly so offends your sensibilities.

You are smarter than this.

He said that driving was the ONLY method of effective transportation and public transit is NEVER the answer. I know you have the mental capacity to think beyond absolutes.


It's like you've never met BjP before.  I generally assume he requires assistance just to find the "add comment" button each time.

As for the other idiots, I can only assume they've never had to live an a major city like NY or DC.  Speaking as someone who commutes to work in DC every day, it's blatantly clear that not only is mass transit the answer, it should be DRASTICALLY increased in both funding and scope.
2013-12-31 03:11:56 PM
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: And it's a bit facile to say "should have planned better". Houston was built before I was born. Same with Los Angeles and others.


It's been a while since I have lived in L.A. so it may have changed. Probably for the better since they have a lot more trains. But my experience with mass transit there led me to forgo having a car at all. Most of the time I could get where I needed to go just as fast as a car or reasonably close. It runs 24/7 for the most heavily used lines and it only cost me $63/month. That included the express pass to take the freeway busses.

But please tell us more about mass transit being a miserable failure.
2013-12-31 02:41:15 PM
1 votes:

Rueened: zeroman987: But since you asked, the CTA averages about 20-25 million rides per month on their buses. For argument's sake, let's cut that number in half, to account for return trips. So, you are saying that the CTA's fleet of buses, which are relatively clean burning, creates more pollution than 10-15 million drivers per month? Even if we cut that in half to account for couples/car pools, you are saying that the CTA buses create more pollution than 5-10 million cars in a month?

What and where is the CTA and why is it relevant to me? Where I work, bus engines are not subject to any pollution controls whatsoever. I can see the clouds of smoke from them as they pass. By comparison, car engine emissions are very strictly controlled.

You haven't even gotten to the ridership numbers for the trains.

What trains? There aren't any where I live, or where I work.

In your city, because of the decisions you, and the rest of the citizens in your city, have made, driving is a "better" option. That doesn't mean public transit sucks and that doesn't mean it is less efficient than driving a car to w ...

Are you for real? Seriously...?

OK, I give up. I'm off to the Hogmanay party... in my car.


CTA= chicago transit authority.

You said public transit was not the answer and that cars were the best mode of transit for commuting. I showed evidence that suggests your sweeping statement was incorrect with data showing that while this may be true where you live because of a lack of population or poor urban planning, it is not true for any place with a dense population.

The only absolute in life is that there are no absolutes. Your experience is not one size fits all. There are people in this world who have chosen to live in a manner different than you have, get over it and stop telling them how to live.

(Note how I consistently never told you public transit was better for your home town. I just said that it works for well planned and/or densely populated areas. See how that works?).
2013-12-31 02:30:21 PM
1 votes:

BojanglesPaladin: zeroman987: This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Do you think that a bus moving two people is LESS pollution than the average car?
Or are you saying that buses never run empty or with too few passengers?
Or are you saying that buses are always better maintained than automobiles?

I'm trying to determine what exactly so offends your sensibilities.


You are smarter than this.

He said that driving was the ONLY method of effective transportation and public transit is NEVER the answer. I know you have the mental capacity to think beyond absolutes.
2013-12-31 02:24:04 PM
1 votes:

Demetrius: So the Republicans are raising taxes.

Because that's how they'd be spinning it if the Dems controlled the House.

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Well when Obama let tax cuts expire they did call it "Raising taxes". But of course things like this always have a different standard for the GOP.
2013-12-31 02:20:06 PM
1 votes:

Rueened: zeroman987: Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.

This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Or maybe he/she just lives in a suburban sprawl wasteland?

If I had to live in suburban sprawl, I would be bitter too I guess.

So buses don't cause pollution? Is that what you're saying?


Nice strawman!

But since you asked, the CTA averages about 20-25 million rides per month on their buses. For argument's sake, let's cut that number in half, to account for return trips. So, you are saying that the CTA's fleet of buses, which are relatively clean burning, creates more pollution than 10-15 million drivers per month? Even if we cut that in half to account for couples/car pools, you are saying that the CTA buses create more pollution than 5-10 million cars in a month?

You haven't even gotten to the ridership numbers for the trains.

In your city, because of the decisions you, and the rest of the citizens in your city, have made, driving is a "better" option. That doesn't mean public transit sucks and that doesn't mean it is less efficient than driving a car to work. The more people that take public transit, the more efficient it becomes. If you, and for fellow voters, had properly planned your city so that public transit was more accessible, you would be on the other side of this argument.
2013-12-31 01:19:07 PM
1 votes:
I bet they all are targeted at the middle class.
2013-12-31 01:01:26 PM
1 votes:

Rueened: joness0154: Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.   Idiots.

So they did something sensible after all...?


Raise the driving benefit and lower the public transit benefit? Sensible? Really?
2013-12-31 12:58:27 PM
1 votes:
all for middle class Americans, no doubt
2013-12-31 12:49:14 PM
1 votes:

sheep snorter: Wait. I thought Congress didn't do anything. Lets get out the champagne!!1


They didn't do anything, this was just letting expiration dates pass.
2013-12-31 12:49:05 PM
1 votes:
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the vast majority of these tax breaks that are being allowed to expire help people that make less than $100,000 per year.
2013-12-31 12:45:50 PM
1 votes:
As the Senate wound down its 2013 session, Democratic leaders made a late push to extend many of the tax breaks by asking Republican colleagues to pass a package on the floor of the Senate without debate or amendments. Republicans objected, saying it wasn't a serious offer, and the effort failed.

how was it not a serious offer? seriously why not. these bills/tax breaks have been around forever so what's the need to debate or amend them?

farking obstructionist assholes.
2013-12-31 12:28:39 PM
1 votes:
That's as many as five elevens.
 
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