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(Fox News)   Congress is letting 55 tax breaks expire at the end of this year. FIFTY FIVE. I mean, it would have been one thing if they let 40 expire, or 45, or hell, even 50. But FIFTY FIVE??? RIP America, 1776 - 2013   (foxnews.com) divider line 60
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2013-12-31 12:26:19 PM  
farkin libs
 
2013-12-31 12:28:39 PM  
That's as many as five elevens.
 
2013-12-31 12:29:22 PM  
When no one was looking, Congress let fifty-five tax breaks expire. They killed 55 tax breaks.
That's as many as five elevens.
And that's terrible.
 
2013-12-31 12:29:37 PM  
Wait. I thought Congress didn't do anything. Lets get out the champagne!!1
 
2013-12-31 12:29:42 PM  
Fifty-Five tax breaks? That's almost FIFTY SIX tax breaks!!!!!
 
2013-12-31 12:40:17 PM  
The one that really hits home is the public transit deduction.  Up until today, I could set aside up to $245 pre-tax for public transit costs (my monthly train ticket is $160 or so).  Starting tomorrow, I can only get $130 monthly benefit.  The PITA is cutting a check for the extra $30 or so I need on top of my monthly transit check.

Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.  Idiots.
 
2013-12-31 12:40:29 PM  

Wyalt Derp: That's as many as five elevens.


And that's terrible.
 
2013-12-31 12:41:30 PM  
That's almost as many tax breaks as there are states.

Way to go 0bummerbongoduchess
 
2013-12-31 12:41:50 PM  
But don't we hate tax breaks?! Because it let's the poor not pay for stuff! Right?

Fark, I can't keep my conservative talking points straights, anymore!
 
2013-12-31 12:42:28 PM  
FTFA

"As the Senate wound down its 2013 session, Democratic leaders made a late push to extend many of the tax breaks by asking Republican colleagues to pass a package on the floor of the Senate without debate or amendments. Republicans objected, saying it wasn't a serious offer, and the effort failed."

Even if you don't agree with some or all the tax breaks, passing them would eliminate the uncertainty for businesses or individuals. Then, a real effort at debate for tax reform could address these issues in the next Congress.
Of course that presupposes that these people actually want to debate and solve problems, as opposed to obstruct, undermine, and dismantle gov't for political points.
 
2013-12-31 12:44:50 PM  
RIP in Peace, America.

:(
 
2013-12-31 12:45:50 PM  
As the Senate wound down its 2013 session, Democratic leaders made a late push to extend many of the tax breaks by asking Republican colleagues to pass a package on the floor of the Senate without debate or amendments. Republicans objected, saying it wasn't a serious offer, and the effort failed.

how was it not a serious offer? seriously why not. these bills/tax breaks have been around forever so what's the need to debate or amend them?

farking obstructionist assholes.
 
2013-12-31 12:46:23 PM  

joness0154: Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.   Idiots.


So they did something sensible after all...?
 
2013-12-31 12:49:05 PM  
I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the vast majority of these tax breaks that are being allowed to expire help people that make less than $100,000 per year.
 
2013-12-31 12:49:14 PM  

sheep snorter: Wait. I thought Congress didn't do anything. Lets get out the champagne!!1


They didn't do anything, this was just letting expiration dates pass.
 
2013-12-31 12:51:32 PM  
I guess this is some of that "doing nothing" and "repealing laws" that the conservatives have been crowing about accomplishing.
 
2013-12-31 12:58:27 PM  
all for middle class Americans, no doubt
 
2013-12-31 12:58:40 PM  
Does anyone have a list of the tax breaks that are being cut?  The article (and a bunch of others like it) are thin on those rather important details.
 
2013-12-31 01:01:26 PM  

Rueened: joness0154: Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.   Idiots.

So they did something sensible after all...?


Raise the driving benefit and lower the public transit benefit? Sensible? Really?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-12-31 01:03:46 PM  
THANKS OBAMA. THIS HAPPENED ON YOUR WATCH.
 
2013-12-31 01:14:56 PM  

joness0154: Rueened: joness0154: Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.   Idiots.

So they did something sensible after all...?

Raise the driving benefit and lower the public transit benefit? Sensible? Really?


It's partial compensation for all the taxes I pay to keep my car on the road.

Protip: punishing people who work and create wealth deters them from working and creating wealth.
 
2013-12-31 01:19:07 PM  
I bet they all are targeted at the middle class.
 
2013-12-31 01:28:08 PM  

Rueened: joness0154: Rueened: joness0154: Of course, Congress  raised the tax benefit for DRIVERS to spend on parking to $250/month.   Idiots.

So they did something sensible after all...?

Raise the driving benefit and lower the public transit benefit? Sensible? Really?

It's partial compensation for all the taxes I pay to keep my car on the road.

Protip: punishing people who work and create wealth deters them from working and creating wealth.


That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth (nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving. Congress has failed to do that.
 
2013-12-31 01:32:08 PM  

Pick13: I bet they all are targeted at the middle class.


Actually no. At least one is a huge incentive to spend money for businesses.

It's an adjustment for depreciation allowance for capital purchases up to $600,000 (reverting back to the pre 2009 stimulus level). There are a couple of local farming co-ops that bought some heavy duty pickup trucks with full service plans with the explicit instructions to date and title all documents for 12-31-2013.

I've been busting my balls trying to process close to a dozen vehicles with special DOT exemption for state sales tax. But business has been great because of it.

I don't know about the other 54, however.

/Accountant at a car dealership
 
2013-12-31 01:41:12 PM  

joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth


Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.
 
2013-12-31 01:43:36 PM  
So the Republicans are raising taxes.

Because that's how they'd be spinning it if the Dems controlled the House.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-31 01:54:11 PM  

Rueened: And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.


You must be in Houston.

Curious: how was it not a serious offer? seriously why not. these bills/tax breaks have been around forever so what's the need to debate or amend them?


Depends on what ELSE was in the bill.
 
2013-12-31 01:55:11 PM  

Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.


This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Or maybe he/she just lives in a suburban sprawl wasteland?

If I had to live in suburban sprawl, I would be bitter too I guess.
 
2013-12-31 02:03:51 PM  

zeroman987: Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.

This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Or maybe he/she just lives in a suburban sprawl wasteland?

If I had to live in suburban sprawl, I would be bitter too I guess.


So buses don't cause pollution? Is that what you're saying?
 
2013-12-31 02:10:30 PM  

zeroman987: This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.


Do you think that a bus moving two people is LESS pollution than the average car?
Or are you saying that buses never run empty or with too few passengers?
Or are you saying that buses are always better maintained than automobiles?

I'm trying to determine what exactly so offends your sensibilities.
 
2013-12-31 02:15:05 PM  

Rueened: zeroman987: Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.

This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Or maybe he/she just lives in a suburban sprawl wasteland?

If I had to live in suburban sprawl, I would be bitter too I guess.

So buses don't cause pollution? Is that what you're saying?


No.  He said you had the most idiotic post of all time and possibly (likely) a troll.
 
2013-12-31 02:16:45 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zeroman987: This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Do you think that a bus moving two people is LESS pollution than the average car?
Or are you saying that buses never run empty or with too few passengers?
Or are you saying that buses are always better maintained than automobiles?

I'm trying to determine what exactly so offends your sensibilities.


He might have a point if busses were the only form of public transportation available.
 
2013-12-31 02:20:06 PM  

Rueened: zeroman987: Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.

This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Or maybe he/she just lives in a suburban sprawl wasteland?

If I had to live in suburban sprawl, I would be bitter too I guess.

So buses don't cause pollution? Is that what you're saying?


Nice strawman!

But since you asked, the CTA averages about 20-25 million rides per month on their buses. For argument's sake, let's cut that number in half, to account for return trips. So, you are saying that the CTA's fleet of buses, which are relatively clean burning, creates more pollution than 10-15 million drivers per month? Even if we cut that in half to account for couples/car pools, you are saying that the CTA buses create more pollution than 5-10 million cars in a month?

You haven't even gotten to the ridership numbers for the trains.

In your city, because of the decisions you, and the rest of the citizens in your city, have made, driving is a "better" option. That doesn't mean public transit sucks and that doesn't mean it is less efficient than driving a car to work. The more people that take public transit, the more efficient it becomes. If you, and for fellow voters, had properly planned your city so that public transit was more accessible, you would be on the other side of this argument.
 
2013-12-31 02:24:04 PM  

Demetrius: So the Republicans are raising taxes.

Because that's how they'd be spinning it if the Dems controlled the House.

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Well when Obama let tax cuts expire they did call it "Raising taxes". But of course things like this always have a different standard for the GOP.
 
2013-12-31 02:30:21 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zeroman987: This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Do you think that a bus moving two people is LESS pollution than the average car?
Or are you saying that buses never run empty or with too few passengers?
Or are you saying that buses are always better maintained than automobiles?

I'm trying to determine what exactly so offends your sensibilities.


You are smarter than this.

He said that driving was the ONLY method of effective transportation and public transit is NEVER the answer. I know you have the mental capacity to think beyond absolutes.
 
2013-12-31 02:31:26 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Depends on what ELSE was in the bill.


we don't know that anything else was in it. the article implies the bill was an extension of existing tax law/breaks.

but you may well be right and it included a provision for the fbi and marshall's service to enter your house and take any gun newer that 1910.* without knowing or any expectation of whether you did or didn't have a gun. and the courageous republicans stood up to that and we should be forever grateful. or not YMMV

*1910 because that allows grabbing all those 1911 45s.
 
2013-12-31 02:33:53 PM  

zeroman987: But since you asked, the CTA averages about 20-25 million rides per month on their buses. For argument's sake, let's cut that number in half, to account for return trips. So, you are saying that the CTA's fleet of buses, which are relatively clean burning, creates more pollution than 10-15 million drivers per month? Even if we cut that in half to account for couples/car pools, you are saying that the CTA buses create more pollution than 5-10 million cars in a month?


What and where is the CTA and why is it relevant to me? Where I work, bus engines are not subject to any pollution controls whatsoever. I can see the clouds of smoke from them as they pass. By comparison, car engine emissions are very strictly controlled.

You haven't even gotten to the ridership numbers for the trains.

What trains? There aren't any where I live, or where I work.

In your city, because of the decisions you, and the rest of the citizens in your city, have made, driving is a "better" option. That doesn't mean public transit sucks and that doesn't mean it is less efficient than driving a car to w ...

Are you for real? Seriously...?

OK, I give up. I'm off to the Hogmanay party... in my car.
 
2013-12-31 02:40:49 PM  

zeroman987: The more people that take public transit, the more efficient it becomes. If you, and for fellow voters, had properly planned your city so that public transit was more accessible, you would be on the other side of this argument.


But that is exactly the problem. In most places, taking the bus is a MUCH less efficient transport. Even living inside the metro center, going the 8 miles from my house to my work takes well over an hour on the bus, and about 20 minutes in a car, and about 45 minutes on a bicycle. The buses are usually mostly empty, even during rush hour because most people can't afford to spend an hour and a half to travel less than 10 miles. And then you still have to walk a number of blocks in weather to get to either your house or your work.

And it's a bit facile to say "should have planned better". Houston was built before I was born. Same with Los Angeles and others. Any city that became a metropolis after the civil war (Certainly after the advent of the automobile) is more likely to be an amalgamation of smaller towns that expanded into each other than anything else. Public transportation works best (and maybe only) in older cities with very high population densities.

It's just not as simple as you are making it out to be. But what is clear is that buses are a 'band-aid' at best, and where the bus system is woefully underutilized, it may even be worse.

joness0154: He might have a point if busses were the only form of public transportation available.


Are they where he is at? They are in most places.
 
2013-12-31 02:41:15 PM  

Rueened: zeroman987: But since you asked, the CTA averages about 20-25 million rides per month on their buses. For argument's sake, let's cut that number in half, to account for return trips. So, you are saying that the CTA's fleet of buses, which are relatively clean burning, creates more pollution than 10-15 million drivers per month? Even if we cut that in half to account for couples/car pools, you are saying that the CTA buses create more pollution than 5-10 million cars in a month?

What and where is the CTA and why is it relevant to me? Where I work, bus engines are not subject to any pollution controls whatsoever. I can see the clouds of smoke from them as they pass. By comparison, car engine emissions are very strictly controlled.

You haven't even gotten to the ridership numbers for the trains.

What trains? There aren't any where I live, or where I work.

In your city, because of the decisions you, and the rest of the citizens in your city, have made, driving is a "better" option. That doesn't mean public transit sucks and that doesn't mean it is less efficient than driving a car to w ...

Are you for real? Seriously...?

OK, I give up. I'm off to the Hogmanay party... in my car.


CTA= chicago transit authority.

You said public transit was not the answer and that cars were the best mode of transit for commuting. I showed evidence that suggests your sweeping statement was incorrect with data showing that while this may be true where you live because of a lack of population or poor urban planning, it is not true for any place with a dense population.

The only absolute in life is that there are no absolutes. Your experience is not one size fits all. There are people in this world who have chosen to live in a manner different than you have, get over it and stop telling them how to live.

(Note how I consistently never told you public transit was better for your home town. I just said that it works for well planned and/or densely populated areas. See how that works?).
 
2013-12-31 02:51:39 PM  
They obviously let it expire so they can use it as a tool to get people to vote for them. They've been doing shiat like this for YEARS now and it is farking working.

Like how most red states denied federal aid for the medicaid expansion, which in turn increases the price of health insurance in that state. But they'll blame it on Obama. Or the fact that most red states had the chance to create their own exchange, but refused to just so they could stick it to Obama. In general, states that made their own exchanges see less costs for health care.

The GOP spins it as Obama/Democrat's fault when they manufactured it themselves. The fact that they don't even try to hide it, and actively spin it as the Democrat's fault is why i really loath the GOP. Truly, they are doing more damage to this country than Al Qaeda ever has.

Well almost. The government shutdown was almost as expensive has 9/11/2001. Let that sink in for a moment.
 
2013-12-31 02:59:49 PM  
Schiggity shwa?
 
2013-12-31 03:11:56 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: And it's a bit facile to say "should have planned better". Houston was built before I was born. Same with Los Angeles and others.


It's been a while since I have lived in L.A. so it may have changed. Probably for the better since they have a lot more trains. But my experience with mass transit there led me to forgo having a car at all. Most of the time I could get where I needed to go just as fast as a car or reasonably close. It runs 24/7 for the most heavily used lines and it only cost me $63/month. That included the express pass to take the freeway busses.

But please tell us more about mass transit being a miserable failure.
 
2013-12-31 03:36:10 PM  

zeroman987: BojanglesPaladin: zeroman987: This is the most idiotic post of all time and possibly a troll.

Do you think that a bus moving two people is LESS pollution than the average car?
Or are you saying that buses never run empty or with too few passengers?
Or are you saying that buses are always better maintained than automobiles?

I'm trying to determine what exactly so offends your sensibilities.

You are smarter than this.

He said that driving was the ONLY method of effective transportation and public transit is NEVER the answer. I know you have the mental capacity to think beyond absolutes.


It's like you've never met BjP before.  I generally assume he requires assistance just to find the "add comment" button each time.

As for the other idiots, I can only assume they've never had to live an a major city like NY or DC.  Speaking as someone who commutes to work in DC every day, it's blatantly clear that not only is mass transit the answer, it should be DRASTICALLY increased in both funding and scope.
 
2013-12-31 03:37:05 PM  

sammyk: But please tell us more about mass transit being a miserable failure.


You should have noticed that I did not say that. Trains, light rail, subways, car pooling systems, etc. All good things.

I DID say, that of the mass transit systems, Buses, when provisioned poorly and ineffectively, and when under-utilized as a result, are a miserable failure.

But please, show us more of your inability to process details.
 
2013-12-31 03:40:57 PM  

zeroman987: He said that driving was the ONLY method of effective transportation and public transit is NEVER the answer.


If that is the portion that offended you, then we agree. (That is why I asked). Regarding Buses being wasteful and ineffective, I'm inclined to agree with him.

Emposter: I generally assume he requires assistance just to find the "add comment" button each time.


As always, if my posts offend you, use the ignore function.

Or you can continue, as you just did, demonstrating an inability to distinguish what someone says from what you think they must have meant.
 
2013-12-31 03:57:04 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: zeroman987: He said that driving was the ONLY method of effective transportation and public transit is NEVER the answer.

If that is the portion that offended you, then we agree. (That is why I asked). Regarding Buses being wasteful and ineffective, I'm inclined to agree with him.

Emposter: I generally assume he requires assistance just to find the "add comment" button each time.

As always, if my posts offend you, use the ignore function.

Or you can continue, as you just did, demonstrating an inability to distinguish what someone says from what you think they must have meant.


Dude, I responded to the mass transit opinions of the OTHER idiots in this thread.  You can tell this because I prefaced my comment on their opinions with the words "As for the other idiots."  Subtle, I know.  In regards to you, I merely commented on your general posting...quality.  Nowhere in my post did I ever actually mention or respond to anything you said in this thread.   You can tell which part applies to you because it is specifically labeled with "BjP."  Again, subtle...but Zeroman seems to think you can handle it, so that makes one person.  Try and keep up.
 
2013-12-31 04:22:47 PM  
Now all we need is to return to pre-Reagan levels of taxes on the wealthy and we might actually solve our debt crisis. Debt= revenue - spending, republicans seem to have forgotten that you can get out of debt ways other than eliminating food stamps and programs to help the poor.
 
2013-12-31 05:09:41 PM  
As a decently paid Chicago resident that willingly and happily chooses to take a bus and train to/from work for the last 5+ years (even in the weather THE HORROR!) I am getting a kick.
 
2013-12-31 05:14:07 PM  

falcon176: farkin libs


blame bohner and his do nothing congress.
duh

bohner: "SEE we got rid of tax loopholes! arent we awesome?!!!"
 
2013-12-31 05:44:58 PM  

Rueened: joness0154: That makes sense, because people who utilize public transit don't work and create wealth

Public transit where I live is nothing more than a rolling homeless shelter.

(nor do they reduce traffic, fuel consumption, pollution, etc.)

Pollution? I work on the 4th floor of an office building on a busy bus route. Even through closed windows, I can hear them as they go past. The pollution from them can be tasted in the air. But it's OK I guess, because I don't smoke. And the street is usually jammed with buses the entire day, each with about 2 people on them.

Encouraging the use of public transportation, where available, is much more sensible than encouraging driving.

Really? That's the most idiotic thing I've read in the last... 5 minutes. Public transit is not, and never will be, the answer. The only mode of travel that has been shown to be effective and efficient for working people is the private car.


A bus is much more efficient in terms of fuel usage per person per mile if it is full. Unfortunately they aren't always full, because they run all day, not just during rush hour. I tried to estimate the mpg per person once, and calculated that riding the bus is on average equivalent to driving a 25 mpg car by yourself. So the most environmental thing for people to do in general would probably be to carpool in Priuses. Someday if we have self-driving hybrid taxis, they would be preferable to buses.
 
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