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(McClatchy DC)   Some of the more boring parts of California have announced their intention to secede from the state   (mcclatchydc.com) divider line 88
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2013-12-31 12:09:24 PM
News from 1941 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO exciting!
 
2013-12-31 12:09:24 PM
This is not(?) a repeat from a couple of months ago?
 
2013-12-31 12:10:30 PM
Definitely more boring for those that dislike the outdoors.  Northern Cali has some pretty cool spots if you like the outdoors.
 
2013-12-31 12:10:43 PM
The complaint is valid but the money isn't there. The State of Jefferson would require Federal subsides for 10-20 years prior to becoming self-sufficient.

Good luck getting the rest of the country to approve that.
 
2013-12-31 12:11:16 PM
Old men yell at clouds, news at 11.
 
2013-12-31 12:12:23 PM

netweavr: The complaint is valid but the money isn't there. The State of Jefferson would require Federal subsides for 10-20 years prior to becoming self-sufficient.

Good luck getting the rest of the country to approve that.


Not unless they kicked things off by legalizing weed and doing the whole marijuana tourism bit.
 
2013-12-31 12:12:42 PM

Jonnadiah: This is not(?) a repeat from a couple of months ago?


And every couple of months before it going back 100 years.

Wake me up when the states really wants to break up:

images14.fotki.com
 
2013-12-31 12:13:29 PM

netweavr: he State of Jefferson would require Federal subsides for 10-20 years prior to becoming self-sufficient.


citation for that?
 
2013-12-31 12:13:41 PM
Again?
 
2013-12-31 12:13:43 PM
Amen to what netweavr said. The money in CA is generated in silicon valley and the big urban centers. After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?
 
2013-12-31 12:14:45 PM
As a recent transplant to California - I'm appalled on how this state is run.  Break it up.

/will never happen
 
2013-12-31 12:15:46 PM

mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?


Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.
 
2013-12-31 12:17:23 PM
The debate over the State of Jefferson often boils down to a balance sheet. Laufer's tally from the state Department of Finance concluded that California's four northernmost counties take in $20 million or so more per year from Sacramento than they provide

Ooops.
 
2013-12-31 12:17:52 PM
Just what America would need right now, another deep red welfare state.
 
2013-12-31 12:18:18 PM

mr intrepid: The money in CA is generated in silicon valley and the big urban centers.


Is that why California is buried in debt?  Maybe they could just make more silicon valleys and bigger urban centers.
 
2013-12-31 12:19:24 PM

HeadLever: mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?

Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.


Exactly!  An independent Northern California would be as prosperous and wealthy as similar regenerative timber areas like Southern Alabama.

In your face, big city libs!
 
2013-12-31 12:20:03 PM

HeadLever: mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?

Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.


The ability of trees to grow back is limited. They can be renewable, as long as consumption is kept within levels that those limits can handle. But it is possible to overwhelm the trees' ability to replace themselves, making them de facto nonrenewable.
 
2013-12-31 12:20:08 PM

Dinjiin: Jonnadiah: This is not(?) a repeat from a couple of months ago?

And every couple of months before it going back 100 years.

Wake me up when the states really wants to break up:


Not to mention the rural portions of just about every state with a major city like Pennsylvania and Illinois.
 
2013-12-31 12:20:24 PM

HeadLever: netweavr: he State of Jefferson would require Federal subsides for 10-20 years prior to becoming self-sufficient.

citation for that?


It is known Khaleesi. These aren't the money-producing areas. They have very little aside from pot and eco-tourism.

Also the article notes the California regions takes in $20 million more than they give on a State Level alone. I don't have the Oregon figures on hand and am not of a mind to go search them out.
 
2013-12-31 12:20:27 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Just what America would need right now, another deep red welfare state.


As opposed to a deep blue welfare state?  California takes in $1.09 for every buck it gives.
 
2013-12-31 12:21:21 PM

Soup4Bonnie: The debate over the State of Jefferson often boils down to a balance sheet. Laufer's tally from the state Department of Finance concluded that California's four northernmost counties take in $20 million or so more per year from Sacramento than they provide

Ooops.


In the grand scheme of things, that isn't much.  And those counties would probably drop many laws that contribute to those costs.  If the flyover states can keep their books in check, there is no reason not to think that these guys can't do it either.

Of course, the question is, what services will they end up cutting?
 
2013-12-31 12:21:52 PM

gingerjet: As a recent transplant to California - I'm appalled on how this state is run.  Break it up.

/will never happen


Why?

The state is currently running a budget surplus, and the political gridlock of the previous decade has finally been reduced to a manageable level (thanks to prop 25 passing in 2010 ending the 2/3 requirement for passing budgets, effectively killing republican obstructionism). I think things are getting better. Here is a recent article about the budget surplus.
 
2013-12-31 12:22:06 PM

HeadLever: fuhfuhfuh: Just what America would need right now, another deep red welfare state.

As opposed to a deep blue welfare state?  California takes in $1.09 for every buck it gives.


[Citation Needed]
 
2013-12-31 12:22:24 PM

Soup4Bonnie: The debate over the State of Jefferson often boils down to a balance sheet. Laufer's tally from the state Department of Finance concluded that California's four northernmost counties take in $20 million or so more per year from Sacramento than they provide

Ooops.


Yup, if it weren't for the handout from California's civilized regions those farkers would be driving on dirt roads and using outdoor plumbing.
 
2013-12-31 12:23:54 PM

HeadLever: mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?

Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.


Ask the Polynesians on Easter Island.
 
2013-12-31 12:24:15 PM

HeadLever: mr intrepid: The money in CA is generated in silicon valley and the big urban centers.

Is that why California is buried in debt?  Maybe they could just make more silicon valleys and bigger urban centers.


California made money this year and is rapidly climbing out of the debt caused by the housing/tech crisis. The common misconception is that California spends itself into oblivion, in reality the state has had a balanced budget for 30+ years. The debt that occurred was due to expected receipts not materializing due to said housing crisis.
 
2013-12-31 12:24:41 PM

netweavr: They have very little aside from pot and eco-tourism.


Except for ag and timber and minerals.  You know, nothing big.....
 
2013-12-31 12:26:37 PM

HeadLever: fuhfuhfuh: Just what America would need right now, another deep red welfare state.

As opposed to a deep blue welfare state?  California takes in $1.09 for every buck it gives.


California received $0.89 for every dollar it gave in 2012....
 
2013-12-31 12:26:42 PM
"The debate over the State of Jefferson often boils down to a balance sheet. Laufer's tally from the state Department of Finance concluded that California's four northernmost counties take in $20 million or so more per year from Sacramento than they provide."

"We feel we can do better sucking directly from the Federal teat as a state rather than having to depend on Sacramento to send us other people's money. Plus, we want a Representative and two Senators in Washington to make sure that sweet Federal cash keeps flowing our way."

Honest to God, I think there should be a constitutional amendment to require a population of at least a million to qualify as a state. Sure, we'd lose Vermont and Delaware but we wouldn't have to deal with the self-righteous pussies of Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota and Alaska anymore. I like the "break California up into six states" idea, too. California deserves 12 senators. But there should be a law, no new state shall receive more in Federal tax revenue than its people pay in for a period of ten years after separation.
 
2013-12-31 12:26:55 PM

fuhfuhfuh: [Citation Needed]


www.ritholtz.com
 
2013-12-31 12:27:11 PM

fuhfuhfuh: HeadLever: fuhfuhfuh: Just what America would need right now, another deep red welfare state.

As opposed to a deep blue welfare state?  California takes in $1.09 for every buck it gives.

[Citation Needed]


Here you go...

~www.ritholtz.com
 
2013-12-31 12:28:08 PM
Shakes tiny fist... ;^)
 
2013-12-31 12:28:10 PM

netweavr: California received $0.89 for every dollar it gave in 2012....


Do you have an update on that?  that would be great.  Please send over link.
 
2013-12-31 12:28:59 PM
FTA: "We need a whole different set of things than the city people."

This from a 14 year old kid. "Them durn city folk!!!"

Last I checked there weren't that many tech innovations sprouting from the hinterlands... remember that next time you fire up your XBone, kid.
 
2013-12-31 12:29:11 PM

manbart: The state is currently running a budget surplus, and the political gridlock of the previous decade has finally been reduced to a manageable level (thanks to prop 25 passing in 2010 ending the 2/3 requirement for passing budgets, effectively killing republican obstructionism). I think things are getting better. Here is a recent article about the budget surplus.


How is anything you said an indication that the state is well run?  When the governor can personally decide if a carpool lane in LA can accept non-carpool drivers after hours - you have a problem.
 
2013-12-31 12:29:11 PM
I used to live in Redding, Ca. I always felt it seemed more West Alabama than Northern California. I think the logging and dams and waterworks done in the area in the 30s pulled a population westward that was more akin to a red state and it shows. It's a very conservative, god fearing type area for the most part. And the further outside of Redding in any direction one goes it becomes more so. I hadn't heard much about two Californias growing up in Southern California but heard it often after moving north. Especially when it came to water. I liked living in Northern California a lot, but they'll never outvote San Diego, Los Angeles or San Francisco individually, let alone all three together generally liberal and democrat. There will always be a buzz in Northern California about separate California but I doubt it will ever come to pass.
 
2013-12-31 12:29:34 PM

HeadLever: netweavr: California received $0.89 for every dollar it gave in 2012....

Do you have an update on that?  that would be great.  Please send over link.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state
 
2013-12-31 12:30:32 PM

netweavr: California made money this year and is rapidly climbing out of the debt caused by the housing/tech crisis.


But they still have a long way to go.  Their state debt to GDP Ratio is about 19.8% which is very high compared to most states.
 
2013-12-31 12:31:05 PM

gnosis301: HeadLever: mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?

Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.

Ask the Polynesians on Easter Island.


I'm reading Jared Diamond's "Collapse" right now. Pretty scary. Let's just say you might want to think twice about your plans to emigrate to Australia.
 
2013-12-31 12:32:11 PM

HeadLever: netweavr: California made money this year and is rapidly climbing out of the debt caused by the housing/tech crisis.

But they still have a long way to go.  Their state debt to GDP Ratio is about 19.8% which is very high compared to most states.


The current trends indicate the state will be debt free by 2020. I'm not sure why you're linking a random web-site.
 
2013-12-31 12:33:22 PM
Considering the state they're succeeding from has to approve it, then the US Government has to approve it... Going to go with.. NOT HAPPENING.

Good luck, r-tards
 
2013-12-31 12:34:06 PM

rewind2846: FTA: "We need a whole different set of things than the city people."

This from a 14 year old kid. "Them durn city folk!!!"

Last I checked there weren't that many tech innovations sprouting from the hinterlands... remember that next time you fire up your XBone, kid.


I stopped at a restaurant in Monteagle, TN, and I heard people having a discussion about "city-folk", and they used that term.  I thought it was a cliche', but there are people in the countryside who sit around kvetching about "city-folk".  Apparently, we steal all of their money to give to welfare queens.

I'm guessing that they don't use the term "kvetching" though.
 
2013-12-31 12:35:01 PM

clambam: gnosis301: HeadLever: mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?

Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.

Ask the Polynesians on Easter Island.

I'm reading Jared Diamond's "Collapse" right now. Pretty scary. Let's just say you might want to think twice about your plans to emigrate to Australia.


Yeah, except that first Australia would have to increase its population of ~25 million to something like 4 times* Earth's total population to approach the persons-per-square-kilometer of Easter Island's peak.

*-number totally pulled outa my ass for effect
 
2013-12-31 12:35:48 PM

netweavr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state


If you read your wiki article it says that it does not take into account all spending or all tax revenue.

You can see how these are different as the ratio in 2010 is 0.89 in the wiki article when the TPM puts it at 1.09.
 
2013-12-31 12:37:25 PM

rudemix: I used to live in Redding, Ca. I always felt it seemed more West Alabama than Northern California. I think the logging and dams and waterworks done in the area in the 30s pulled a population westward that was more akin to a red state and it shows. It's a very conservative, god fearing type area for the most part.


Maybe, but most counties in the West outside of the major metros are heavily red.  It is the same in Idaho, Oregon and Washington.  The only thing notable about Redding is that they have an unusually large number of Christian radio stations on the FM dial.
 
2013-12-31 12:42:04 PM

Dinjiin: Of course, the question is, what services will they end up cutting?


Well, from the very next paragraph in the article:

At a recent Board of Supervisors forum, Tehama County Chief Administrator Bill Goodwin estimated a loss of $5 million in public works funding annually and a 75 percent drop in education funding were the county to join in, and he hadn't begun to calculate the impact on health and social service programs.
 
2013-12-31 12:42:17 PM

netweavr: he current trends indicate the state will be debt free by 2020. I'm not sure why you're linking a random web-site.


We will see.  CA is expected to have a surplus of about 2.2 billion this year, but when you compare that to a debt of 420 Billion, that is not much.

We will see if they can continue to dig out of the hole under this slow economy.  Hopefully, they are careful on how they proceed and don't get caught up again in the rosy projections.
 
2013-12-31 12:42:34 PM

Stone Meadow: clambam: gnosis301: HeadLever: mr intrepid: After theses idiots clear - cut their area, what Wil they have to go on?

Trees don't grow back?  Hmm, that renewable resource thing must be a myth.

Ask the Polynesians on Easter Island.

I'm reading Jared Diamond's "Collapse" right now. Pretty scary. Let's just say you might want to think twice about your plans to emigrate to Australia.

Yeah, except that first Australia would have to increase its population of ~25 million to something like 4 times* Earth's total population to approach the persons-per-square-kilometer of Easter Island's peak.

*-number totally pulled outa my ass for effect


The point in the book is that Australia's soils are very fragile and slow-renewing due to its geology. Once a plot of land has been cultivated it loses virtually all its nutritive value and even leaving it fallow doesn't bring it back. Add to that the underground salt water being pumped to the surface--it will take 500 years for it to subside--the ecological damage caused by imported species, and the slow reproduction rate of local commercial fish and tree species and they are on a fast track to disaster.

I didn't explain that very well, go read the book.
 
2013-12-31 12:43:13 PM

Rapmaster2000: rewind2846: FTA: "We need a whole different set of things than the city people."

This from a 14 year old kid. "Them durn city folk!!!"

Last I checked there weren't that many tech innovations sprouting from the hinterlands... remember that next time you fire up your XBone, kid.

I stopped at a restaurant in Monteagle, TN, and I heard people having a discussion about "city-folk", and they used that term.  I thought it was a cliche', but there are people in the countryside who sit around kvetching about "city-folk".  Apparently, we steal all of their money to give to welfare queens.

I'm guessing that they don't use the term "kvetching" though.


What do you expect from a bunch of goniffs?
 
2013-12-31 12:43:36 PM

netweavr: HeadLever: netweavr: California received $0.89 for every dollar it gave in 2012....

Do you have an update on that?  that would be great.  Please send over link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state


Looks like you're using data from different years. The Wikipedia link shows data from 2012 and the TPM infographic shows data from 2010.  Which makes sense if you think about it, Southern California was one of the areas hardest hit by the real estate market crash.
 
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