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2013-12-31 12:13:34 PM  

Snarfangel: Sounds like the perfect drug for hipsters.


Well, we could always put some MPTP on the street and call it the hot new thing.

The world would be much better with less hipsters.

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2013-12-31 12:14:05 PM  
FYI

local business "discovered" K2 due to employee behavior on job
(it was new to them) and (appears to have more effects than pot  (not in a good way )

1. new drug testing kits now on hand (old kits did not detect)
2. employees caught thought it was still legal (year or two out of date)
 
2013-12-31 12:14:18 PM  

VegasVinnie: Father of teenager who died of a K2 overdose says the synthetic drug is "worse than cocaine"

WTF?  Why would the father even try that synthetic drug stuff?  I would think that after seeing what happened to his son he would have left it alone.


Was thinking the same thing.

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2013-12-31 12:14:45 PM  

SmackLT: Of course it's worse than cocaine. Everything's worse than cocaine.

speaking from experience, I would say crank is worse than coke. if for no other reason then the socio-economic stand point.

 
2013-12-31 12:15:10 PM  
 
2013-12-31 12:16:27 PM  

ElwoodCuse: Gentlemen, I give you: Swank. Ten TIMES more addictive than marijuana!


Dood, you simply cannot multiply times 0.

Yes, say I, marijuana has 0 physically addictive traits.
 
2013-12-31 12:17:18 PM  
They're synthesized cannabanoids which is the cancer stopping, pain relieving "body high" but lack the thc which is the actual fun part of cannabis so often other hallucinogens are added.  Lacking thc is part of the appeal so people on probation or regular job drug screens can still pass drug tests.  But more sophisticated tests can identify raised levels of cannabanoids.  Check and see what "panels" they test for before you try to beat the system.  And don't just buy anything at head shops or off the internet which is akin to buying meth in a midwestern trailer park who the fark knows what chemicals are in it or what quality it is.  Get the German made Bonzai brand Winter Blend aromatic potpourri.
 
2013-12-31 12:20:06 PM  
If K2 is the same as the crap the Russians call "krokodil", that stuff evil.  Yes, you get a high, until you start falling apart like a leper in time lapse photography.

I am not quite evil enough to say legalize and freely distribute that and meth.  The program could be called "Darwin".  If only I were a little more pragmatic.

/you raise your kid to use drugs, then he uses drugs, so you blame the drugs.  Great police work there, Lou.
 
2013-12-31 12:20:34 PM  

snocone: ElwoodCuse: Gentlemen, I give you: Swank. Ten TIMES more addictive than marijuana!

Dood, you simply cannot multiply times 0.

Yes, say I, marijuana has 0 physically addictive traits.


Not a McBane fan I presume?

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-31 12:22:33 PM  

elguerodiablo: They're synthesized cannabanoids which is the cancer stopping, pain relieving "body high" but lack the thc which is the actual fun part of cannabis so often other hallucinogens are added.  Lacking thc is part of the appeal so people on probation or regular job drug screens can still pass drug tests.  But more sophisticated tests can identify raised levels of cannabanoids.  Check and see what "panels" they test for before you try to beat the system.  And don't just buy anything at head shops or off the internet which is akin to buying meth in a midwestern trailer park who the fark knows what chemicals are in it or what quality it is.  Get the German made Bonzai brand Winter Blend aromatic potpourri.


There is no such thing as "synthesized cannabanoids".
It is bullzhit marketing of doublespeak.

Remember, H20 and H2S04 are both clear, colorless, odorless liquids.
 
2013-12-31 12:23:30 PM  
I was hooked on that shiat for about 3 years.     Its been around longer than just the past couple.     

Never, ever, ever, would I touch that stuff again.  I had serious withdrawls when I was quitting, there were times when I couldn't sleep because I was too nervious or shaking too much.  I thought about checking myself into a rehab for it.  I was stealing from my family to buy it daily, etc.  Hate it, hate what it made me do.  When Pot becomes legal or medically available, i'll smoke up again.  Until then, i'll just stick to alcohol.
 
2013-12-31 12:23:36 PM  

Laobaojun: If K2 is the same as the crap the Russians call "krokodil", that stuff evil.  Yes, you get a high, until you start falling apart like a leper in time lapse photography.

I am not quite evil enough to say legalize and freely distribute that and meth.  The program could be called "Darwin".  If only I were a little more pragmatic.

/you raise your kid to use drugs, then he uses drugs, so you blame the drugs.  Great police work there, Lou.


Krokodil is desomorphine with a shiatload of impurities. It's not the desomorphine that does those grotesque wounds, it's the shiat they cook codeine with to convert it into the drug.

K2 is a synthetic cannabanoid that was developed to research the effects of cannabanoid receptors on schizophrenic disorders as part of a PH.d thesis, and sat in a file cabinet at a university for decades until some young, enterprising man found it and decided he could trip balls on it. Unfortunately for us, it also has qualities similar to Methamphetamine and LSD.
 
2013-12-31 12:25:00 PM  

midwestatheist: mike_d85: thurstonxhowell: If weed were legal, K2 wouldn't be a thing.

Yes it would.  People are idiots.  They will find a high to match their personalities/tastes and run with it.  Most people like pot because it can cause euphoria with either a slight upper sensation or slight downer sensation depending on the strain.  The problem is some people just plain want to feel something other than euphoria.

I was not a fan of cocaine.  Makes the back of your throat taste like crap.  It's like snotty acid reflux with a hint of kersine.

No it wouldn't..  The only people that smoke this stuff are the people that are on probation or parole.. Everyone that uses this stuff wishes they could smoke pot..  Its only a substitute

/was on probation
//smoked k2 until i could get the real shiat
///never touched the fake stuff again


Theres plenty of doctors that will prescribe whatever you want so you can have drugs and a note from your doctor for your P.O.  Just look up chiropractors or pain clinics in your area.  Then you can mess with synthetic heroin and ecstacy to go with your synthetic pot and still finish your probation.  But you can't have pot or booze.  They'll throw you're ass in jail for that.  Our drug laws are made by tards and fundies.
 
2013-12-31 12:25:03 PM  
"I don't know what it's going to take," a tearful Brandt said Monday. "It's killing our family."

I'll tell you what it's going to take. It's going to take an executive order and or an act of Congress to legalize marijuana so junior there can get high safely without fear of reprisal from fascist arse holes like Eric Holder. But seeing that that's not what's going to happen anytime soon I'm reasonably certain that your kid will continue to be in and out of rehab for a long time.

/alcoholic and druggie
//took awhile
///clean for almost 3 years now
 
2013-12-31 12:28:03 PM  

hardinparamedic: Laobaojun: If K2 is the same as the crap the Russians call "krokodil", that stuff evil.  Yes, you get a high, until you start falling apart like a leper in time lapse photography.

I am not quite evil enough to say legalize and freely distribute that and meth.  The program could be called "Darwin".  If only I were a little more pragmatic.

/you raise your kid to use drugs, then he uses drugs, so you blame the drugs.  Great police work there, Lou.

Krokodil is desomorphine with a shiatload of impurities. It's not the desomorphine that does those grotesque wounds, it's the shiat they cook codeine with to convert it into the drug.

K2 is a synthetic cannabanoid that was developed to research the effects of cannabanoid receptors on schizophrenic disorders as part of a PH.d thesis, and sat in a file cabinet at a university for decades until some young, enterprising man found it and decided he could trip balls on it. Unfortunately for us, it also has qualities similar to Methamphetamine and LSD.


I learn something everyday.  Or at least everyday worth remembering.  Thank you, HP.
 
2013-12-31 12:30:08 PM  
Latinwolf:
I had never heard of anyone overdosing on marijuana, nature is best.

Well, everything has an LD50, one could overdose on table salt or even water.  But to get there on cannabis would be for all intents and purposes impossible.  MAYBE if you ate an heroic amount of edibles made from highly concentrated hash, MAYBE that could be lethal.  Smoking it, no way in hell, you'd die of CO poisoning first.
 
2013-12-31 12:31:23 PM  

GBB: If you can't persuade your kid from doing something he knows is dangerous, then you've already failed as a parent.  Cut your loses, take out a life insurance policy on him, and let him go.


Not trying to say this guy is Father of the Year, but this comment is just dumb.  Kids are inherently stupid and will definitely try things that they know are dangerous. In my day it was huffing aerosol, playing the 'passout game', skateboarding, and yes, even some questionable drugs.  Calling the kid stupid is redundant... he's a kid.  Calling the father a failure is a little harsh.  He just lost his son, man.
 
2013-12-31 12:43:58 PM  
PSA, don't ever use synthetic workarounds of drugs.  While marijuana may be relatively safe, stuff made to be "like Marijuana" are still significantly different on a chemical level.
 
2013-12-31 12:44:25 PM  

Laobaojun: If K2 is the same as the crap the Russians call "krokodil", that stuff evil.  Yes, you get a high, until you start falling apart like a leper in time lapse photography.

I am not quite evil enough to say legalize and freely distribute that and meth.  The program could be called "Darwin".  If only I were a little more pragmatic.

/you raise your kid to use drugs, then he uses drugs, so you blame the drugs.  Great police work there, Lou.


Krokodil is a cheap heroin substitute.  K2 is a cheap marijuana substitute. K2 is nasty shiat, but not anywhere near as terrible as krokodil.
 
2013-12-31 12:44:43 PM  
After tomorrow, if I want to, I can just walk down to my local weed dispensary and buy an ounce, totally legal. Happy new year!
 
2013-12-31 12:49:06 PM  

elguerodiablo: But you can't have pot or booze. They'll throw you're ass in jail for that.


We can't have booze? Uh oh. You'd better tell the 90% of the country that's going to get wasted tonight.
 
2013-12-31 12:53:46 PM  

thurstonxhowell: elguerodiablo: But you can't have pot or booze. They'll throw you're ass in jail for that.

We can't have booze? Uh oh. You'd better tell the 90% of the country that's going to get wasted tonight.


I see now that you meant while on probation, which is still a shock to me. I was drunker than hell for most of the time I was on probation and no one seemed to care.
 
2013-12-31 12:58:35 PM  

SmokinTrees: GBB: If you can't persuade your kid from doing something he knows is dangerous, then you've already failed as a parent.  Cut your loses, take out a life insurance policy on him, and let him go.

Not trying to say this guy is Father of the Year, but this comment is just dumb.  Kids are inherently stupid and will definitely try things that they know are dangerous. In my day it was huffing aerosol, playing the 'passout game', skateboarding, and yes, even some questionable drugs.  Calling the kid stupid is redundant... he's a kid.  Calling the father a failure is a little harsh.  He just lost his son, man.


Just because you spent your teen years being stupid doesn't mean everyone else did.
 
2013-12-31 01:12:57 PM  

SmokinTrees: GBB: If you can't persuade your kid from doing something he knows is dangerous, then you've already failed as a parent.  Cut your loses, take out a life insurance policy on him, and let him go.

Not trying to say this guy is Father of the Year, but this comment is just dumb.  Kids are inherently stupid and will definitely try things that they know are dangerous. In my day it was huffing aerosol, playing the 'passout game', skateboarding, and yes, even some questionable drugs.  Calling the kid stupid is redundant... he's a kid.  Calling the father a failure is a little harsh.  He just lost his son, man.


Well that and you can't blame everything a kid does on the parents. I have seen many kids with great parents do really idiotic shiat, get pregnant as teenagers, fall in addiction, etc.

Some kids are good at hiding their outside sphere at home and show zero signs of any problems. I'm nowhere near being a parent, but I know damn sure that if at a certain age I was able to distinguish right from wrong and any fark up is on me now. My parents did their job already.
 
2013-12-31 01:16:02 PM  
Slackers will slack.
 
2013-12-31 01:21:58 PM  

Headso: K2D2 the junkie droid


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2013-12-31 01:26:20 PM  
Some of these THC analogues like K2 are a lot more aggressive antagonists while having none of the sedating chemicals of natural marijuana. It is playing biochemical Russian roulette.
 
2013-12-31 01:30:19 PM  

Snarfangel: SauronWasFramed: Mr. Everest said to be walking the other way....


If you are looking for a high, try Olympus Mons.


Into the mountain i will fall.

/mountain of blow
 
2013-12-31 01:42:28 PM  

DirkValentine: Snarfangel: SauronWasFramed: Mr. Everest said to be walking the other way....


If you are looking for a high, try Olympus Mons.

Into the mountain i will fall.

/mountain of blow


First there is a mountain then there is no mountain then there is.
 
2013-12-31 01:58:51 PM  
I was given prescription cesamet, also known as Nabilone. Synthetic THC. Worst stuff I ever took. Caused burning nerves, sensory overload, crashing migraines.

Always ALWAYS go for the natural herb over a synthetic one. You never know what's in that crap.
 
2013-12-31 02:05:01 PM  

Astorix: I was given prescription cesamet, also known as Nabilone. Synthetic THC. Worst stuff I ever took. Caused burning nerves, sensory overload, crashing migraines.

Always ALWAYS go for the natural herb over a synthetic one. You never know what's in that crap.


I'm not disagreeing with you, but honestly you don't really know what's in it unless you grow it yourself.  Maybe you can tell Indica from Sativa or even the various strains and hybrids thereof by looking at a mature plant, but I'd wager very few people can tell by looking at the end product alone.  Further, who's to say that unscrupulous dealers aren't augmenting their stuff with this synthetic crap?

Of course, ALL that uncertainty goes away if it's legalized, taxed and properly regulated.
 
2013-12-31 02:05:16 PM  

midwestatheist: mike_d85: thurstonxhowell: If weed were legal, K2 wouldn't be a thing.

Yes it would.  People are idiots.  They will find a high to match their personalities/tastes and run with it.  Most people like pot because it can cause euphoria with either a slight upper sensation or slight downer sensation depending on the strain.  The problem is some people just plain want to feel something other than euphoria.

I was not a fan of cocaine.  Makes the back of your throat taste like crap.  It's like snotty acid reflux with a hint of kersine.

No it wouldn't..  The only people that smoke this stuff are the people that are on probation or parole.. Everyone that uses this stuff wishes they could smoke pot..  Its only a substitute

/was on probation
//smoked k2 until i could get the real shiat
///never touched the fake stuff again


You fail if you don't know how to pass a drug test...its easier than a kindergarten spelling quiz...Cystex...seven dollars...its your friend with a gallon of water.

/was on probation late 90's
//would smoke hours before seeing my PO
///never failed until my last test but the PO said "I don't care, you are off paper next week anyways"
 
2013-12-31 02:12:18 PM  

Woot_Gawd: midwestatheist: mike_d85: thurstonxhowell: If weed were legal, K2 wouldn't be a thing.

Yes it would.  People are idiots.  They will find a high to match their personalities/tastes and run with it.  Most people like pot because it can cause euphoria with either a slight upper sensation or slight downer sensation depending on the strain.  The problem is some people just plain want to feel something other than euphoria.

I was not a fan of cocaine.  Makes the back of your throat taste like crap.  It's like snotty acid reflux with a hint of kersine.

No it wouldn't..  The only people that smoke this stuff are the people that are on probation or parole.. Everyone that uses this stuff wishes they could smoke pot..  Its only a substitute

/was on probation
//smoked k2 until i could get the real shiat
///never touched the fake stuff again

You fail if you don't know how to pass a drug test...its easier than a kindergarten spelling quiz...Cystex...seven dollars...its your friend with a gallon of water.

/was on probation late 90's
//would smoke hours before seeing my PO
///never failed until my last test but the PO said "I don't care, you are off paper next week anyways"


How does it work?  You're diluting with the water, but the Cystex adds coloration back to your piss?  I'm pretty sure most piss tests look for other chemical markers to ensure it's not diluted urine, such as creatine levels.
 
2013-12-31 02:12:47 PM  
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2013-12-31 02:18:47 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Woot_Gawd: midwestatheist: mike_d85: thurstonxhowell: If weed were legal, K2 wouldn't be a thing.

Yes it would.  People are idiots.  They will find a high to match their personalities/tastes and run with it.  Most people like pot because it can cause euphoria with either a slight upper sensation or slight downer sensation depending on the strain.  The problem is some people just plain want to feel something other than euphoria.

I was not a fan of cocaine.  Makes the back of your throat taste like crap.  It's like snotty acid reflux with a hint of kersine.

No it wouldn't..  The only people that smoke this stuff are the people that are on probation or parole.. Everyone that uses this stuff wishes they could smoke pot..  Its only a substitute

/was on probation
//smoked k2 until i could get the real shiat
///never touched the fake stuff again

You fail if you don't know how to pass a drug test...its easier than a kindergarten spelling quiz...Cystex...seven dollars...its your friend with a gallon of water.

/was on probation late 90's
//would smoke hours before seeing my PO
///never failed until my last test but the PO said "I don't care, you are off paper next week anyways"

How does it work?  You're diluting with the water, but the Cystex adds coloration back to your piss?  I'm pretty sure most piss tests look for other chemical markers to ensure it's not diluted urine, such as creatine levels.


Cystex does not discolour your urine as original AZO will, that stuff will make your piss orange...AZO cranberry is also a good friend...I generally would take about 2 pills every half hour starting 2 hours before my appointment while drinking plenty of water...sure, will make you feel a little weezy but I was 19 and stupid and wanted to get high.

/still get high
//haven't got pinched for an ounce of pot since
 
2013-12-31 02:22:27 PM  
What the hell is K2, exactly?

/sorry I'm old
//not up on my drugs
 
2013-12-31 02:24:01 PM  
sure the piss would come out clear...but remember, most PO's are on the low end of the totem pole of law enforcement...making 40k a year, do you really think Sally gives a shiat what color the piss is? Prolly not...hell, I used to see my PO getting wasted at the bar I played pool at most nights of the week.
 
2013-12-31 02:28:26 PM  
Well, he's not wrong. Cocaine is way better than synthetic marijuana compounds such as 'k2'.
 
2013-12-31 02:30:12 PM  

abhorrent1: What the hell is K2, exactly?

/sorry I'm old
//not up on my drugs


K2 is sometimes how it's branded, but K2/Spice is often used as a catch-all phrase for "legal" or as of yet unclassified cannabinoids, generally produced in China and India, which are added to random smokable herbs and sold in many gas stations and head shops around the country.  I've never touched the stuff myself, but from what I understand it can be a real crap shoot.  Never know how much of it,what exactly it is, or how evenly it's distributed throughout the "herbs" they put it on.
 
2013-12-31 02:47:25 PM  

CrazyCracka420: How does it work? You're diluting with the water, but the Cystex adds coloration back to your piss? I'm pretty sure most piss tests look for other chemical markers to ensure it's not diluted urine, such as creatine levels.


I'm going with, the whole drug testing industry is one big scam. The people that watch you pee in a cup, the lab that does the analysis, they don't care as long as they get paid. No one appears to do any sort of outside audit either. Who would be surprised if at some labs most of the samples went right in hazmat bucket and the result determined by the magic eight ball.
 
2013-12-31 03:10:39 PM  

nekom: abhorrent1: What the hell is K2, exactly?

/sorry I'm old
//not up on my drugs

K2 is sometimes how it's branded, but K2/Spice is often used as a catch-all phrase for "legal" or as of yet unclassified cannabinoids, generally produced in China and India, which are added to random smokable herbs and sold in many gas stations and head shops around the country.  I've never touched the stuff myself, but from what I understand it can be a real crap shoot.  Never know how much of it,what exactly it is, or how evenly it's distributed throughout the "herbs" they put it on.


Okay so the fake weed I see at gas stations. How the hell do kids these days keep track of all the different drugs out there? Especially when they're frying their brains on gas station chemicals. What happened to picking up an eight ball for the weekend?
 
2013-12-31 03:22:32 PM  

abhorrent1: What happened to picking up an eight ball for the weekend?

 
2013-12-31 03:30:19 PM  
Ah, yes. The good ol' days.


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2013-12-31 03:55:52 PM  

nekom: Astorix: I was given prescription cesamet, also known as Nabilone. Synthetic THC. Worst stuff I ever took. Caused burning nerves, sensory overload, crashing migraines.

Always ALWAYS go for the natural herb over a synthetic one. You never know what's in that crap.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but honestly you don't really know what's in it unless you grow it yourself.  Maybe you can tell Indica from Sativa or even the various strains and hybrids thereof by looking at a mature plant, but I'd wager very few people can tell by looking at the end product alone.  Further, who's to say that unscrupulous dealers aren't augmenting their stuff with this synthetic crap?

Of course, ALL that uncertainty goes away if it's legalized, taxed and properly regulated.


I'll admit I can't tell one strain from the next by looks. But, damn, nobody is "cutting" their weed with K2 and other crap. I guess it's probably happened on a schoolyard somewhere, but no pothead worth his patchouli would be fooled by it. In addition to the different appearance, it's probably way more expensive than regular weed (once you have a connection/crop).
 
2013-12-31 03:56:41 PM  

CrazyCracka420: Woot_Gawd: midwestatheist: mike_d85: thurstonxhowell: If weed were legal, K2 wouldn't be a thing.

Yes it would.  People are idiots.  They will find a high to match their personalities/tastes and run with it.  Most people like pot because it can cause euphoria with either a slight upper sensation or slight downer sensation depending on the strain.  The problem is some people just plain want to feel something other than euphoria.

I was not a fan of cocaine.  Makes the back of your throat taste like crap.  It's like snotty acid reflux with a hint of kersine.

No it wouldn't..  The only people that smoke this stuff are the people that are on probation or parole.. Everyone that uses this stuff wishes they could smoke pot..  Its only a substitute

/was on probation
//smoked k2 until i could get the real shiat
///never touched the fake stuff again

You fail if you don't know how to pass a drug test...its easier than a kindergarten spelling quiz...Cystex...seven dollars...its your friend with a gallon of water.

/was on probation late 90's
//would smoke hours before seeing my PO
///never failed until my last test but the PO said "I don't care, you are off paper next week anyways"

How does it work?  You're diluting with the water, but the Cystex adds coloration back to your piss?  I'm pretty sure most piss tests look for other chemical markers to ensure it's not diluted urine, such as creatine levels.


Not trying to be a dick, but I'd be cautious about taking advice on passing a piss test from someone who has admitted that his method failed him...
 
GBB
2013-12-31 04:18:19 PM  

SmokinTrees: GBB: If you can't persuade your kid from doing something he knows is dangerous, then you've already failed as a parent.  Cut your loses, take out a life insurance policy on him, and let him go.

Not trying to say this guy is Father of the Year, but this comment is just dumb.  Kids are inherently stupid and will definitely try things that they know are dangerous. In my day it was huffing aerosol, playing the 'passout game', skateboarding, and yes, even some questionable drugs.  Calling the kid stupid is redundant... he's a kid.  Calling the father a failure is a little harsh.  He just lost his son, man.


Woah, dude.  Wrong one.  I was referring to the one in the article that said their kid kept doing k2 even after seeing the seminar of the father mentioned in the headline.  that kid is still alive (at the time of writing, at least), but according to the parents, that kid was unimpressed and stated he would still do k2 despite the dangers.   aside from locking the kid in a padded room for his own protection, he is a goner.
 
2013-12-31 04:24:59 PM  
The comments on that article are written by a bunch of lazy stoners. GET A JOB, HIPPIE!


*walks away slowly*
 
2013-12-31 04:53:24 PM  
www.summitpost.org
 
2013-12-31 04:59:11 PM  
so your teenager is a farking dumbass and now the world has to change?

fark you, if you didn't suck as a parent he'd be alive.
 
2013-12-31 05:54:19 PM  

gibbon1: CrazyCracka420: How does it work? You're diluting with the water, but the Cystex adds coloration back to your piss? I'm pretty sure most piss tests look for other chemical markers to ensure it's not diluted urine, such as creatine levels.

I'm going with, the whole drug testing industry is one big scam. The people that watch you pee in a cup, the lab that does the analysis, they don't care as long as they get paid. No one appears to do any sort of outside audit either. Who would be surprised if at some labs most of the samples went right in hazmat bucket and the result determined by the magic eight ball.


It could be different now, but, back in my day...all they did was basically use a dipping stick as a prelim test, if one cleared that, it was never sent to a lab and WE LIKED IT.
 
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