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2013-12-31 11:20:00 AM  
Because they can't see him?
 
2013-12-31 12:14:16 PM  
He does an insane amount of charity work for kids, so I don't care if he's a cliche' in the ring
 
2013-12-31 12:26:33 PM  
Because he belongs on the Entertainment tab, not the Sports tab?
 
2013-12-31 12:28:42 PM  

Klippoklondike: He does an insane amount of charity work for kids, so I don't care if he's a cliche' in the ring


that's why I can't shiat on him too much.  He's all about the fans, mostly kids and service men and women.  His in ring ability is surely shiat, but he's good on the mic and I'll bet he has a good mind for story telling.  when he retires, the WWE need to keep him on a write.  I'll bet he could book a hell of a show.
 
2013-12-31 12:46:18 PM  
Because everyone hates nepotism?
 
2013-12-31 12:53:09 PM  
Fans get sick of seeing the same thing week after week, month after month, year after year.

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2013-12-31 01:00:38 PM  
Cena gets a bad rap because he is the cornerstone of the current WWE, which sucks. It's a neutered, sanitized, sterile version of what pro wrestling is supposed to be.

But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.
 
2013-12-31 01:01:25 PM  
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That said, you know what would be a great, completely out of left field entry and winner of the 2014 Rumble? Kurt Angle.
 
2013-12-31 01:02:32 PM  

Orgasmatron138: But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.


Or, just watch ROH. It's like WWE, but the cameras aren't as nice, and there's good wrestling rather than absolute shiat.
 
2013-12-31 01:03:27 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Cena gets a bad rap because he is the cornerstone of the current WWE, which sucks. It's a neutered, sanitized, sterile version of what pro wrestling is supposed to be.

But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.


As much as we love to over-romanticize the Attitude and Ruthless Agression eras, there's still some good to great matches to be had in the current style they're in. And have to credit them, they're at least a step ahead of the concussion game than the NFL is.
 
2013-12-31 01:05:07 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Cena gets a bad rap because he is the cornerstone of the current WWE, which sucks. It's a neutered, sanitized, sterile version of what pro wrestling is supposed to be.

But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.


Cena's also starting to get endorsement deals.  I saw him on at least Caprisun and Fruity Pebbles boxes.  and they are doing a Scooby-Doo movie that he's going to "star."   Vince is going to milk the cash cow dry.
 
2013-12-31 01:16:17 PM  

ManateeGag: Orgasmatron138: Cena gets a bad rap because he is the cornerstone of the current WWE, which sucks. It's a neutered, sanitized, sterile version of what pro wrestling is supposed to be.

But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.

Cena's also starting to get endorsement deals.  I saw him on at least Caprisun and Fruity Pebbles boxes.  and they are doing a Scooby-Doo movie that he's going to "star."   Vince is going to milk the cash cow dry.


I've already seen Cena's acting abilities in The Marine. Pass.

/watched it on a recommendation from a work buddy, who claimed it to be a great example of a pure action movie
//never took any recommendations from him after that
///how the hell do you make Robert Patrick look dull and Kelly Carlson unappealing?
 
2013-12-31 01:24:07 PM  
And here I thought it was because his original gimmick (that has only been modified slightly) was that of a Pro-Wrestling version of Vanilla Ice.
 
2013-12-31 01:26:16 PM  
I'm so angry at fictional characters! GRRR!
 
2013-12-31 01:28:30 PM  

Clutch2013: I've already seen Cena's acting abilities in The Marine. Pass.

/watched it on a recommendation from a work buddy, who claimed it to be a great example of a pure action movie
//never took any recommendations from him after that
///how the hell do you make Robert Patrick look dull and Kelly Carlson unappealing?


Goddamn that movie was boring! Same with that Stone Cold movie, what was it called, "The Condemned"?

Is The Rock the only one to actually make a successful transition into acting? I mean Hulk Hogan has done a few movies, but everything he's in is "It's Hulk Hogan trying to act".

But I will admit I have a personal bias toward The Rock. I'll watch anything he's in as "The Rundown" is one of my all-time favorite action movies. I can't even fault him for "The Tooth Fairy" as the only reason he did that was because his daughter wanted him to be in a movie they could both watch together.
 
2013-12-31 01:30:18 PM  

Klippoklondike: He does an insane amount of charity work for kids, so I don't care if he's a cliche' in the ring


Well, somewhat this.  His "thuganomics" gimmick killed and then he devolved into Hogan sans charisma (and he has a better move set than Hogan mind you).
 
2013-12-31 01:32:46 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Clutch2013: I've already seen Cena's acting abilities in The Marine. Pass.

/watched it on a recommendation from a work buddy, who claimed it to be a great example of a pure action movie
//never took any recommendations from him after that
///how the hell do you make Robert Patrick look dull and Kelly Carlson unappealing?

Goddamn that movie was boring! Same with that Stone Cold movie, what was it called, "The Condemned"?

Is The Rock the only one to actually make a successful transition into acting? I mean Hulk Hogan has done a few movies, but everything he's in is "It's Hulk Hogan trying to act".

But I will admit I have a personal bias toward The Rock. I'll watch anything he's in as "The Rundown" is one of my all-time favorite action movies. I can't even fault him for "The Tooth Fairy" as the only reason he did that was because his daughter wanted him to be in a movie they could both watch together.


And I will amend my question to include Andre the Giant as a successful actor, if only for The Princess Bride.
 
2013-12-31 01:35:12 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Cena gets a bad rap because he is the cornerstone of the current WWE, which sucks. It's a neutered, sanitized, sterile version of what pro wrestling is supposed to be.

But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.


The funny/sad part of this is:  if you watched the Southern promotions in the 70s and 80s, their material ranged from decent to fantastic...and they had to effectively have a "G" rated product to sell.  Case in point was the feud between Flair and Valentine for the US Title in Mid-Atlantic at the turn of the 80s.

This is more Vince's fault than anything else: He wants it done his way instead of the right way.
 
2013-12-31 01:57:58 PM  
For as much crap as his stale gimmick gets, he does things the right way. Good with kids, stays out of trouble, stays off the Jeff Hardy juice, advocates for the talent backstage, does a TON with charity. Gotta give him that.
 
2013-12-31 02:31:10 PM  
People hate John Cena?
 
2013-12-31 02:33:43 PM  
I still think Cena is the sh*t for being the only wrestler decent enough to come sign some autographs for the fans in front of the hotel the day after Wrestlemania in Seattle.  Also got a picture and autograph with Hulk Hogan when he was at Niketown with his family.

Cena's gimmick and wrestling skills are stale, but he's a good guy, which ranks high in my books.
 
2013-12-31 02:36:56 PM  
Because fark him, that's why.
 
2013-12-31 02:38:21 PM  
I don't think anyone hates John Cena the person, the hate is directed at the John Cena character.
 
2013-12-31 02:50:12 PM  

ShawnDoc: I don't think anyone hates John Cena the person, the hate is directed at the John Cena character.


Yep. He seems like a nice guy, but his character is infuriating. He's been almost the same guy since day one. And while he personally didn't design it... that horrible spinner belt was a travesty. His matches are boring, he has very limited moves and can almost sort of be carried to a passable match... maybe... once in a while.

The best thing I can say about him is "at least he seems to have stopped rapping".

Then again, even when I was a little kid, I hated Hogan for pretty much the same reasons (minus the rapping).

Cena does seem like a nice guy.  Honestly, most wrestlers are. I've met quite a few and the only one who was thoroughly unpleasant was Billy Gunn.  Shane McMahon was questionable. Steve Austin? Hilarious, and sweet and playfully pulled my ponytails.  Goldust, Road Dogg, Val Venis, Blue Meanie, AJ Styles, Abyss, Kane, Sandman, Balls Mahoney, Homicide, Ric Flair, Chris Sabin, Jay Lethal, Chyna, Triple H, Lou Albano, Lita, Jeff Hardy, Owen Hart, Big Show (who heard me say to my friend "oh my GOD I could literally blow him standing up.... sooo embarrassing but the guy is truly huge), Terry Funk, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho... all of them were total sweethearts.

Ric Flair is such a natural flirt, he made me blush.

I almost met CM Punk, but he was keeping kayfabe after Raven beat him in RoH.  I respect that, though.
 
2013-12-31 02:58:12 PM  
Cena/Lesnar

Bork Laser spends 20+ minutes beating the holy f*ck out of Cena.
Super Cena promptly wins the match, and then no-sells the entire thing by giving a promo without even breathing heavy, much less showing any effect of the beating he had just taken.
That was such a huge f*ck you to Bork, the fans, and the business in general that I will never again have a shred of respect for him in the ring.
 
2013-12-31 03:05:01 PM  

I Said: People hate John Cena?


He needs the keys to victory to help him through this.

/SHOULDERBLOCK
 
2013-12-31 03:07:33 PM  
Because he's stale as shiat. Doesn't help that every time someone else comes along, they get their legs cut off, lol.
 
2013-12-31 03:08:15 PM  
Article written by Matt Durr. Wow....


Why is this on the sports tab, and why was that article posted in Yahoo Sports?
 
2013-12-31 03:08:16 PM  
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2013-12-31 03:25:20 PM  

LesserEvil: Article written by Matt Durr. Wow....


Why is this on the sports tab, and why was that article posted in Yahoo Sports?


You sir, are no Karate Explosion.
 
2013-12-31 03:33:58 PM  

yelmrog: LesserEvil: Article written by Matt Durr. Wow....


Why is this on the sports tab, and why was that article posted in Yahoo Sports?

You sir, are no Karate Explosion.


I am, in no way, excited by wrestling. It should be on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment.
 
2013-12-31 03:34:05 PM  

LesserEvil: Article written by Matt Durr. Wow....


Why is this on the sports tab, and why was that article posted in Yahoo Sports?


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2013-12-31 03:40:34 PM  
Setting aside the good works and charity he does, I dislike his matches/character because:
1.If you were to machine gun him to death at the beginning of a match, as soon as you tried to cover him, he would jump up, Attitude Adjust you, pin you and celebrate with the fans at ringside as if nothing happened. He's using cheat codes. His damage heals and he's just dandy at the end of every match.

2. I have no farking idea what "you can't see me" means and why it's a boast or a threat. It makes no sense to me.

3. He is ALWAYS in the title picture.
 
2013-12-31 03:41:37 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I Said: People hate John Cena?

He needs the keys to victory to help him through this.

/SHOULDERBLOCK


CeNation needs to rally behind him, let him, nay the world, know that he is anything but "hated".
 
2013-12-31 03:41:41 PM  

LesserEvil: I am, in no way, excited by wrestling. It should be on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment.


I am, in no way, excited by soccer. By that standard, should it also be placed on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment?
 
2013-12-31 03:45:58 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: LesserEvil: I am, in no way, excited by wrestling. It should be on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment.

I am, in no way, excited by soccer. By that standard, should it also be placed on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment?


Dear lord, no! Nobody has ever been entertained by soccer, merely distracted at the awfulness of their home nations. Call it soccer, call it futbol, call it footy, call it "Let's Let the Bottom of Society Riot for a Couple Hours Rather than Look for Work," but please, don't call it entertainment, and therefore remove any meaning from the very word!
 
2013-12-31 03:48:53 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: LesserEvil: I am, in no way, excited by wrestling. It should be on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment.

I am, in no way, excited by soccer. By that standard, should it also be placed on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment?


I'm not excited by soccer, either... but at least it isn't scripted entertainment in the guise of a physical contest. Even with the dives, I'd concede Soccer does indeed belong on the sports tab, when there is a news item that is Fark-worthy.

"Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.
 
2013-12-31 03:51:37 PM  

EyeballKid: Orgasmatron138: But, WWE is making several times more money in advertising revenue in the PG era than in the Attitude era, so don't look for them to change at all anytime soon, regardless of Linda's political aspirations. They are a publicly traded company that has to answer to shareholders and they can't risk losing high-dollar advertisers, so look forward to several more years of this generic same-ness.

Or, just watch ROH. It's like WWE, but the cameras aren't as nice, and there's good wrestling rather than absolute shiat.


Not sure what you've been watching lately, but on the whole, the wrestling WWE has been really really good for the last 6 months or so, probably the most consistently good wrestling they've ever had to be honest.
 
2013-12-31 03:52:43 PM  

LesserEvil: "Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.


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"What, you don't like it when I do it?"
 
2013-12-31 03:54:15 PM  

LesserEvil: "Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.


They may be acting, but first and foremost., they're athletes.

If you just ran across a wrestling ring a few times, without doing a single move, you'd grasp that.
 
2013-12-31 03:56:10 PM  

MagSeven: Setting aside the good works and charity he does, I dislike his matches/character because:
1.If you were to machine gun him to death at the beginning of a match, as soon as you tried to cover him, he would jump up, Attitude Adjust you, pin you and celebrate with the fans at ringside as if nothing happened. He's using cheat codes. His damage heals and he's just dandy at the end of every match.

2. I have no farking idea what "you can't see me" means and why it's a boast or a threat. It makes no sense to me.

3. He is ALWAYS in the title picture.


I loved when the Rock came back the first time and took a shot at "You can't see me!" When guys like him and Bork Laser come back, it just makes me sad for how stacked this talent roster used to be.

Austin, Rock, Undertaker, HHH, Foley, and Angle were all here at the same time in the main events. The second tier had Big Show, Kane, Jericho, Benoit, Guererro, Booker T, Edge, Christian, Storm, Regal, The Hardyz, the Dudleys, the Acolytes, Raven, Tazz, etc. etc. etc.

That truly was a golden age.
 
2013-12-31 03:59:11 PM  

LesserEvil: "

Olympic figure skating" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.

your argument still isn't holding a lot of water. Same can also be said about ballroom dancing, diving, gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and many other sports that are an/or have been in the Olympics over the years. There are many, many MANY legitimate sports that are less authentic than pro wrestling.
 
2013-12-31 04:00:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Clutch2013: I've already seen Cena's acting abilities in The Marine. Pass.

/watched it on a recommendation from a work buddy, who claimed it to be a great example of a pure action movie
//never took any recommendations from him after that
///how the hell do you make Robert Patrick look dull and Kelly Carlson unappealing?

Goddamn that movie was boring! Same with that Stone Cold movie, what was it called, "The Condemned"?

Is The Rock the only one to actually make a successful transition into acting? I mean Hulk Hogan has done a few movies, but everything he's in is "It's Hulk Hogan trying to act".

But I will admit I have a personal bias toward The Rock. I'll watch anything he's in as "The Rundown" is one of my all-time favorite action movies. I can't even fault him for "The Tooth Fairy" as the only reason he did that was because his daughter wanted him to be in a movie they could both watch together.


I didn't mind 12 Rounds with Cena.  Wasn't awful, but I wouldn't say it was good.

I used to have a Rundown promo t-shirt from when I worked at the theaters for a long time.  Damn that was a good movie.  That recent trucker movie was shiat though.
 
2013-12-31 04:06:30 PM  

serpent_sky: LesserEvil: "Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.

They may be acting, but first and foremost., they're athletes.

If you just ran across a wrestling ring a few times, without doing a single move, you'd grasp that.


I did say it was physical. It just isn't a "sport" - any event where the supposed opponents already know the outcome isn't a sport.

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: LesserEvil: "Olympic figure skating" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.

your argument still isn't holding a lot of water. Same can also be said about ballroom dancing, diving, gymnastics, synchronized swimming, and many other sports that are an/or have been in the Olympics over the years. There are many, many MANY legitimate sports that are less authentic than pro wrestling.


I don't know that the outcome of a figure skating event is known to the participants... but if it is, and you can demonstrate it, fine, banish them to the entertainment tab.

Professional Wrestling (unlike amateur wrestling at the high school, collegiate or olympic levels) isn't really a judged event with an outcome determined by the actions of the opponents. That's a fact. It's not a contest. They might get tired, they might get hurt... but that doesn't make it any more a sport than trapeze artists at a circus.

... wow, lots of guys who cry in the stands here on Fark.
 
2013-12-31 04:25:37 PM  

LesserEvil: yelmrog: LesserEvil: Article written by Matt Durr. Wow....


Why is this on the sports tab, and why was that article posted in Yahoo Sports?

You sir, are no Karate Explosion.

I am, in no way, excited by wrestling. It should be on the entertainment tab in the same way Twilight or Honey Boo Boo are classified as entertainment.


But that's never going to happen.  Still not sure if you're just trolling here, as "why isn't this in the entertainment tab?" has been a recurring joke of Fark.com WWE threads for quite a while.

As for those threads, they are typically among the largest every single week.  So yeah, it's staying it sports.

FWC draws a lot of water on this site.  You don't draw shiat, Lebowski.
 
2013-12-31 04:30:15 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: Cena/Lesnar

Bork Laser spends 20+ minutes beating the holy f*ck out of Cena.
Super Cena promptly wins the match, and then no-sells the entire thing by giving a promo without even breathing heavy, much less showing any effect of the beating he had just taken.
That was such a huge f*ck you to Bork, the fans, and the business in general that I will never again have a shred of respect for him in the ring.


OK, this wins the thread.

BUT my complaint is its the same moves every night.  And then a wreslter like CM Punk will make Cena have to use more than his standard Five Moves of Doom™, and damn if it isn't actually a great match!
 
2013-12-31 04:33:53 PM  

serpent_sky: LesserEvil: "Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.

They may be acting, but first and foremost., they're athletes.


So are ballet dancers.  Different skill sets but athletes nonetheless.  And both the pro wrestling athletes and the ballet athletes appear in entertainment spectacles where the outcome is known by the participants ahead of time.

It isn't a sport and hasn't been a sport since at least the 1940's.

It never ceases to amaze me that WWE threads here on Fark  are routinely longer than most threads for real sports like football, baseball etc..  1200,1400 1600 posts discussing things that are no more a sport than Season 3 of Game of Thrones...

Get wrestling off the Sports tab.
 
2013-12-31 04:34:41 PM  

Klippoklondike: He does an insane amount of charity work for kids, so I don't care if he's a cliche' in the ring


He seems like a nice guy but I just don't like his character, kind of like if a douche from high school was famous. His character is hateable and has no personality to him, leaps and bounds from the days of stone cold, the rock, hhh, and others.
 
2013-12-31 04:38:55 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: serpent_sky: LesserEvil: "Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.

They may be acting, but first and foremost., they're athletes.

So are ballet dancers.  Different skill sets but athletes nonetheless.  And both the pro wrestling athletes and the ballet athletes appear in entertainment spectacles where the outcome is known by the participants ahead of time.

It isn't a sport and hasn't been a sport since at least the 1940's.

It never ceases to amaze me that WWE threads here on Fark  are routinely longer than most threads for real sports like football, baseball etc..  1200,1400 1600 posts discussing things that are no more a sport than Season 3 of Game of Thrones...

Get wrestling off the Sports tab.


Here's what the dictionary has to say:

sport
noun

1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature.

I would say Professional Wrestling contains all of those qualities, and thus, is a sport. Get over it.
 
2013-12-31 04:40:18 PM  

cnocnanrionnag: serpent_sky: LesserEvil: "Professional Wrestling" is no more a real contest than TruTV's so-called reality shows are actually real events taped as they happened. Sure... the actors in wrestling have to be physical, and their act can be punishing, but it is still scripted entertainment.

They may be acting, but first and foremost., they're athletes.

So are ballet dancers.  Different skill sets but athletes nonetheless.  And both the pro wrestling athletes and the ballet athletes appear in entertainment spectacles where the outcome is known by the participants ahead of time.

It isn't a sport and hasn't been a sport since at least the 1940's.

It never ceases to amaze me that WWE threads here on Fark  are routinely longer than most threads for real sports like football, baseball etc..  1200,1400 1600 posts discussing things that are no more a sport than Season 3 of Game of Thrones...

Get wrestling off the Sports tab.


Tell that to Bret Hart.
 
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