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(Huffington Post)   In spite of the best efforts of the Duggars, population growth in the U.S. has slowed to the lowest rate in the past several decades   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 82
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2013-12-31 11:59:24 AM
Good.
 
2013-12-31 12:00:23 PM
 
2013-12-31 12:01:43 PM
cost of children  >  wanting children
 
2013-12-31 12:03:12 PM
I bet if they measured population growth in pounds it would still be increasing.
 
2013-12-31 12:06:10 PM
If only I could help out in some way.

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2013-12-31 12:07:09 PM

Smackledorfer: Good.


Unfortunately our brilliant leaders have based everything on the fact that there will always be an increasing amount of tax payers to pay for all of this shiat they've 'purchased'.
 
2013-12-31 12:08:45 PM
I blame the increase in f2p games.
 
2013-12-31 12:08:54 PM

Babbs: Smackledorfer: Good.

 
2013-12-31 12:09:20 PM
The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.
 
2013-12-31 12:10:52 PM

MugzyBrown: Unfortunately our brilliant leaders have based everything on the fact that there will always be an increasing amount of tax payers to pay for all of this shiat they've 'purchased'.


Not really, but do tell.
 
2013-12-31 12:11:09 PM

stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.

 
2013-12-31 12:11:18 PM
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I am dissapoint
 
2013-12-31 12:11:25 PM

ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children


Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...
 
2013-12-31 12:13:20 PM
This will all change once the Republicans outlaw abortion, amirite?
 
2013-12-31 12:14:06 PM
But... but... but I thought Fox News had told me that the poorest in America are breeding like rabbits to get more welfare money, and as a result they'll outnumber us real Murkins within six months. This information is clearly biased by the usual liebrul lamestream media conspiracy bias since it doesn't fit what I want to believe and what Fox says.
 
2013-12-31 12:14:47 PM

whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...


If you have your own washing machine, you could always go with tits'n'towels :)
 
2013-12-31 12:15:09 PM
See? Conservatives were right all along! Now that everyone is getting gay married Americans are going extinct!
 
2013-12-31 12:17:37 PM

whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...


That and childcare. Almost not worth it to work.
 
2013-12-31 12:17:46 PM

stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.


I expect that when the US starts to look like Gattaca, genes that favor religious devotion will start to be screened out.  Eventually, people who refuse such tinkering for their children will become outcasts, destined for reservations and third world countries.  War, famine and poverty in those places will keep the Duggars' future descendants in check.
 
2013-12-31 12:19:30 PM

Smackledorfer: whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...

If you have your own washing machine, you could always go with tits'n'towels :)


You actually could just go with tits. Diapers aren't needed since urine is sterile and feces is perfectly safe to eat.
 
2013-12-31 12:19:35 PM

MugzyBrown: Smackledorfer: Good.

Unfortunately our brilliant leaders have based everything on the fact that there will always be an increasing amount of tax payers to pay for all of this shiat they've 'purchased'.


Like any good Ponzi scheme.
 
2013-12-31 12:21:13 PM

MugzyBrown: Smackledorfer: Good.

Unfortunately our brilliant leaders have based everything on the fact that there will always be an increasing amount of tax payers to pay for all of this shiat they've 'purchased'.


Plop!
 
2013-12-31 12:21:32 PM

GodComplex: whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...

That and childcare. Almost not worth it to work.


Universal childcare should have been part of the ACA.
 
2013-12-31 12:22:54 PM

Cymbal: Smackledorfer: whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...

If you have your own washing machine, you could always go with tits'n'towels :)

You actually could just go with tits. Diapers aren't needed since urine is sterile and feces is perfectly safe to eat.


My ex couldn't breastfeed for shiat, so formula was what we had to use. And, well, I don't know what to say about the second statement, but, ew?
 
2013-12-31 12:23:41 PM

Dinjiin: stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.

I expect that when the US starts to look like Gattaca, genes that favor religious devotion will start to be screened out.  Eventually, people who refuse such tinkering for their children will become outcasts, destined for reservations and third world countries.  War, famine and poverty in those places will keep the Duggars' future descendants in check.


Aldous Huxley would like to have a word with you.
 
2013-12-31 12:25:06 PM

whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...


That's the least of the issue.

$200+/week for daycare is the killer.

I actually pay $180/wk for 3 days per week.
 
2013-12-31 12:25:09 PM
Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.
 
2013-12-31 12:25:31 PM

edmo: Like any good Ponzi scheme.


Did you just call capitalism a Ponzi scheme?
 
2013-12-31 12:27:47 PM

Smackledorfer: edmo: Like any good Ponzi scheme.

Did you just call capitalism a Ponzi scheme?


What part of 'capitalism' is unfunded government liabilities?
 
2013-12-31 12:28:31 PM
I really don't want to have a child in this political and economic dump.

/not even joking
 
2013-12-31 12:29:27 PM

Smackledorfer: Did you just call capitalism a Ponzi scheme?


I wouldn't call federal pension systems a capitalistic idea...
 
2013-12-31 12:30:12 PM
Ask Japan what the consequences are.
 
2013-12-31 12:30:14 PM

AsparagusFTW: I really don't want to have a child in this political and economic dump.

/not even joking


Canada?

/I keed, I keed
 
2013-12-31 12:30:43 PM

Cymbal: Smackledorfer: whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...

If you have your own washing machine, you could always go with tits'n'towels :)

You actually could just go with tits. Diapers aren't needed since urine is sterile and feces is perfectly safe to eat.


my dogs seem to agree with you on this point.
 
2013-12-31 12:31:18 PM

stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.


Yup.  It's the people who have kids who... have kids.

/I'm an idiot (false)
//With so many babies (true)
///Idiocracy (prediction)
 
2013-12-31 12:32:08 PM

Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.


If only there were no people, then the society would work just great!

MugzyBrown: Smackledorfer: edmo: Like any good Ponzi scheme.

Did you just call capitalism a Ponzi scheme?

What part of 'capitalism' is unfunded government liabilities?


Socialize the losses, privatize the profits, just like the scumbags do in DC. Isn't that how capitalism actually works?
 
2013-12-31 12:32:16 PM
More like the Duggaros
 
2013-12-31 12:32:35 PM

MugzyBrown: whosits_112: ltdanman44: cost of children  >  wanting children

Seriously. Formula and diapers are ridiculously expensive...

That's the least of the issue.

$200+/week for daycare is the killer.

I actually pay $180/wk for 3 days per week.


Thankfully my ex was a stay at home mom until my son was well off formula, but you are right, childcare is no joke.
 
2013-12-31 12:33:46 PM

Dinjiin: stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.

I expect that when the US starts to look like Gattaca, genes that favor religious devotion will start to be screened out.  Eventually, people who refuse such tinkering for their children will become outcasts, destined for reservations and third world countries.  War, famine and poverty in those places will keep the Duggars' future descendants in check.


Some jealous communist country with a billion soldiers will conquer, though, with tech they bought from defectors.

/We laik choo bee schmartch.
 
2013-12-31 12:39:05 PM

Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.


That's weird.  What was the root of just about all of society's problems before we were overpopulated?
 
2013-12-31 12:49:34 PM

Wangiss: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

That's weird.  What was the root of just about all of society's problems before we were overpopulated?


Lactose intolerance.  It's started more wars than the Pope.  STUDY IT OUT!
 
2013-12-31 12:56:57 PM

Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.


Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.
 
2013-12-31 12:58:46 PM
No shiat, having a kid is a gigantic liability in America, there's 0 paid mat leave and daycare is approaching college-level prices it's insane for anyone to have one unless you're well-off or have parental support.

Even my spoiled cousin couldn't get free daycare from her indulgent mother for more than 2 years, so that's doubtful that they'll get it for their other kid.

In contrast, in Ontario I get a year off paid at 70% (I believe) of my income and my Hubby can take 3 months off. However, instead of it being a cost to the business it comes out of our Unemployment Insurance.

I think it's funny that in America we claim to be "pro-business" but we leave a lot of benefits on the employer's dime, like healthcare and mat leave.
 
2013-12-31 01:02:49 PM
 
2013-12-31 01:05:20 PM

Wangiss: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

That's weird.  What was the root of just about all of society's problems before we were overpopulated?


Just population, there are just more of them now so the problems are bigger
 
2013-12-31 01:08:14 PM
The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.
 
2013-12-31 01:09:03 PM

traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.


What were the major problems not attributable to population?
 
2013-12-31 01:12:38 PM

ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.


Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic
 
2013-12-31 01:12:38 PM

traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.


It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.
 
2013-12-31 01:15:20 PM

Cymbal: You actually could just go with tits.



In other news: water is wet.
 
2013-12-31 01:15:36 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic


People only get stuck in traffic because we insist on having business sectors to keep the traffic away from residential sectors. If our businesses were to return to the neighborhoods or telecommuting were to greatly increase, I dare say we would alleviate much of it.
 
2013-12-31 01:17:49 PM

InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.


How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.
 
2013-12-31 01:21:57 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic

People only get stuck in traffic because we insist on having business sectors to keep the traffic away from residential sectors. If our businesses were to return to the neighborhoods or telecommuting were to greatly increase, I dare say we would alleviate much of it.


Huh? There are housing developments behind every strip mall and office building here.

If everyone walked to work, the sidewalks would be just as crowded as the highways are now.
 
2013-12-31 01:23:23 PM

stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.


I would think we would want people like the Duggars having children. It's a two parent household, middle class rearing the children with a good work ethic, morals and a desire to be their best. The problem lies with the breeders who are single parents, are on the dole, no work ethic, having 8 children with different fathers, who aren't involved with their children* and spend much of their income on drugs and alcohol. Kids born to these people are starting off with a massive handicap and many never break the poverty cycle.

*As in checking school work, encouraging their kids to strive to do their nest
 
2013-12-31 01:24:12 PM

Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.

How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.


But 'Murica will be destroyed by those people.

Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.
 
2013-12-31 01:25:03 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: InterruptingQuirk: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic

People only get stuck in traffic because we insist on having business sectors to keep the traffic away from residential sectors. If our businesses were to return to the neighborhoods or telecommuting were to greatly increase, I dare say we would alleviate much of it.

Huh? There are housing developments behind every strip mall and office building here.

If everyone walked to work, the sidewalks would be just as crowded as the highways are now.


We can't have that, people might meet their neighbors.
 
2013-12-31 01:25:55 PM

InterruptingQuirk: here is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.


No man, it's free.

You also get a living wage while you go to school.. which is also free.


/free
 
2013-12-31 01:29:35 PM
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom:

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic

We'll adapt, just the infrastructure takes a few years to catch up for various reasons (mostly bureaucracy). 10-20 years ago, teleworking (working from home) was fairly rare. Now it's quite commonplace. Likewise, mega-malls of the 70's are being torn down and mixed-use town centers are being built in their place. Public transport is being expanded. Roads are being built.

Yes, it takes time, but it's happening, and young working people help provide the tax base to fund these projects.
 
2013-12-31 01:36:04 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.

How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.

But 'Murica will be destroyed by those people.

Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.


That is a huge difference, you are absolutely right. I would assume those kinds of decisions would work themselves out naturally, like they do now. As I'm sure you know, anyone can take the LSAT or the MCAT today, only the top scores actually get accepted to law school and medical school.
 
2013-12-31 01:36:15 PM

MugzyBrown: InterruptingQuirk: here is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.

No man, it's free.

You also get a living wage while you go to school.. which is also free.


/free


You're throwing that word free around like it's the Abracadabra of economics. Are you suggesting that we tell the universities/colleges and the professors that they have to collect the same fees for two different courses of study which have enormously divergent cost values for each?
 
2013-12-31 01:39:30 PM
These aren't the best of times.
 
2013-12-31 01:39:43 PM

Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.

How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.

But 'Murica will be destroyed by those people.

Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.

That is a huge difference, you are absolutely right. I would assume those kinds of decisions would work themselves out naturally, like they do now. As I'm sure you know, anyone can take the LSAT or the MCAT today, only the top scores actually get accepted to law school and medical school.


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-31 01:43:09 PM
So, does this mean more or fewer BabyquariumsTM?
 
2013-12-31 02:01:25 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic


No shiat. It shouldn't take an hour to get from Des Plaines or Glenview to downtown Chicago... on Saturday afternoon. Not even downtown-downtown, but to one of the neighborhoods on the north side. I moved away from that area over a year ago. I assume the Kennedy and the Edens are a parking lot pretty much 24/7 by now.
 
2013-12-31 02:27:10 PM

traylor: Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.


InterruptingQuirk: It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-12-31 02:29:25 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.

How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.

But 'Murica will be destroyed by those people.

Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.


Pharm.D.  There's quite a difference between a professional doctorate and a research oriented PhD.
 
2013-12-31 02:32:17 PM

RaisingKane: traylor: Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

InterruptingQuirk: It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 729x520]


As much as I respect Randall Munroe, that little diatribe was lacking in everything except "because I say so"
 
2013-12-31 02:34:27 PM

Mose: InterruptingQuirk: Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.

How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.

But 'Murica will be destroyed by those people.

Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.

Pharm.D.  There's quite a difference between a professional doctorate and a research oriented PhD.


That's what I meant, you merely point out how true it is regarding the variance in the cost of schooling for different specialties.
 
2013-12-31 03:01:37 PM

InterruptingQuirk: Mose: InterruptingQuirk: Cymbal: InterruptingQuirk: traylor: Crewmannumber6: Since overpopulation is at the root of just about all society's problems, good.

Overpopulation isn't the problem, too many stupid people is.

It is a little silly how right Idiocracy is. Smart people might take note and stop being so selfish and eco-minded and Fark a couple brains into this world at a greater than replacement rate.

How about we just take education seriously in this country? Maybe instead of spending more than the next ten nations combined in military spending, we could have free education from birth to college graduation.

But 'Murica will be destroyed by those people.

Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.

Pharm.D.  There's quite a difference between a professional doctorate and a research oriented PhD.

That's what I meant, you merely point out how true it is regarding the variance in the cost of schooling for different specialties.


Why does it matter though? So what if some people receive more free education than others. Base it on merit and demand, and adjust the acceptance rates accordingly. This is pretty much how it operates now, the only difference being no more student loans.
 
2013-12-31 03:05:29 PM
What about the meskins? They're breeding like cockroaches.
 
2013-12-31 03:32:52 PM

Cymbal: Does college graduation include an Associates degree? Bachelors? In many large cities you need a Masters degree to teach in primary school. Even pharmacists need a PhD to get licensed now. Is that free for someone who goes for a degree in Sociology just as free for someone who goes into the Engineering department? There is a huge difference in the cost of all the options.

Pharm.D. There's quite a difference between a professional doctorate and a research oriented PhD.

That's what I meant, you merely point out how true it is regarding the variance in the cost of schooling for different specialties.

Why does it matter though? So what if some people receive more free education than others. Base it on merit and demand, and adjust the acceptance rates accordingly. This is pretty much how it operates now, the only difference being no more student loans.


Cuz money makes the world go round, the world go round, the world go round.

I guess merit based education is a nice idea. I imagine there will still be people who buy their way in, unless we legislate that option out, then liberty goes with it. Do we still employ affirmative action methods in this merit based educational model? Are there obligations imposed on people to serve in the public sphere for a period of time following their graduation from higher education? Does college education become mandatory at that point as well? Is this a further step to keep young people from taking jobs that adults need? Besides taking away the precious from war hawks, how do we pay for it? What kind of economy do we have to adopt to make this a reality considering there is a trillion dollars in student loan debt as of right now?
 
2013-12-31 04:02:22 PM

Needlessly Complicated: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic

No shiat. It shouldn't take an hour to get from Des Plaines or Glenview to downtown Chicago... on Saturday afternoon. Not even downtown-downtown, but to one of the neighborhoods on the north side. I moved away from that area over a year ago. I assume the Kennedy and the Edens are a parking lot pretty much 24/7 by now.


Yes, they are.

/on the Metra right now.
 
2013-12-31 04:12:07 PM

Fourstring: Needlessly Complicated: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: ameeriklane: The reason this is troubling is that the young people are needed to provide the tax base that covers costs for the old people.

The US is one of the few developed countries with strongly positive population growth, thanks to a mix of high birth rates (around 2.0 -- replacement rate is 2.1) and immigration. The US population increased by 30 million between 2000 and 2010 (census years). That's like taking the entire populations of Greece, Austria, and Portugal  combined and moving them to the US.

What the article didn't look at is the comparable rate in other developed countries, which would be the US's potential competitors for labor, production, etc. In Europe in particular, they're quite badly off in this regard.

The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic

No shiat. It shouldn't take an hour to get from Des Plaines or Glenview to downtown Chicago... on Saturday afternoon. Not even downtown-downtown, but to one of the neighborhoods on the north side. I moved away from that area over a year ago. I assume the Kennedy and the Edens are a parking lot pretty much 24/7 by now.

Yes, they are.

/on the Metra right now.


Enjoy this time while it lasts, don't you lose the privilege of using hand held mobile devices in Illinois soon?
 
2013-12-31 05:02:25 PM

ameeriklane: The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.


70% of the surface water in California is taken for Agriculture, Industry and Residential use. In drought years the five year supply in reservoirs becomes exhausted and then the sh*t for brains oakie farmers in the central valley start screaming the Fed's being mean to them by allowing some of the water to be diverted to keep steams and rivers nominally running.
 
2013-12-31 06:46:32 PM

stuffy: The bad thing is, one day idiots like the Duggars will outnumber us.


Thankfully, that won't be the case thanks to the internet and the majority of Americans becoming far less conservative.

It's why all the quiverfulls and neo-dominionists practice homeschooling and heavily censor their kids' entertainment and socialization. Otherwise they realize their parent's are total bullshiat. The Duggar's kids are going to be an interesting case study, but the problem might be they have so much wrapped in their image that they feel forced to keep the gravy train going.

In fact, I would love to figure out the amount of kids that leave the movement. Even if you keep them in their bubble they can still leave it when they get married like in "No Longer Quivering":  http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/

/Her journey is amazing
 
2013-12-31 07:01:46 PM

shortymac: No shiat, having a kid is a gigantic liability in America, there's 0 paid mat leave and daycare is approaching college-level prices it's insane for anyone to have one unless you're well-off or have parental support.

In contrast, in Ontario I get a year off paid at 70% (I believe) of my income and my Hubby can take 3 months off. However, instead of it being a cost to the business it comes out of our Unemployment Insurance.


All of which is entirely true, and yet the US still manages to have a stronger birth rate than Canada (or dozens of other countries that have lots of pro-natal incentives).
 
2013-12-31 08:08:39 PM
In this thread I would like to point out:

-People are getting SMARTER, not dumber, all over the world.
-People are getting LESS VIOLENT
-People are getting much more tolerant

Thanks to education, internet, removing lead from everything, and better nutrition.
 
2013-12-31 08:44:08 PM

Lawnchair: shortymac: No shiat, having a kid is a gigantic liability in America, there's 0 paid mat leave and daycare is approaching college-level prices it's insane for anyone to have one unless you're well-off or have parental support.

In contrast, in Ontario I get a year off paid at 70% (I believe) of my income and my Hubby can take 3 months off. However, instead of it being a cost to the business it comes out of our Unemployment Insurance.

All of which is entirely true, and yet the US still manages to have a stronger birth rate than Canada (or dozens of other countries that have lots of pro-natal incentives).


I believe the only reason why is because an active minority in the US trying to ban BC and any sex education, which leads to higher birth rates of "oops!" babies. All the places with "abstinance-only education" have very high teen birth rates.

In Canada, going to the gyno is covered by OHIP and you don't have to dodge protesters to get free BC pills at the Planned Parenthood.

Moreover, abortion is also free, but we have much less abortions per capita than the US, thanks to easy access of BC. (source:  http://data.un.org/Data.aspx?d=GenderStat&f=inID%3A12">http://data.un .org/Data.aspx?d=GenderStat&f=inID%3A12)
 
2013-12-31 09:44:37 PM

shortymac: In this thread I would like to point out:

-People are getting SMARTER, not dumber, all over the world.
-People are getting LESS VIOLENT
-People are getting much more tolerant

Thanks to education, internet, removing lead from everything, and better nutrition.


And how about those housing values!  They just go up and up!
 
2013-12-31 10:49:06 PM
*golf clap* great headline subby!
 
2014-01-01 12:13:51 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The US can handle population growth fine -- we have the space, and have plenty of natural resources (food, water) to feed the new population.

Keep this post in mind next time you're stuck in traffic


This has less to do with population, and more to do with city planning. Suburbs are the devil.
 
2014-01-01 05:18:47 AM
...in the legal citizens area, anyway.
 
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