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(Some Guy)   Conservative blogger still against Obamacare even after being hospitalized without insurance. Bonus: his boss set up a fund to pay medical bills, which most bosses call a "group plan"   (readingisforsnobs.com) divider line 29
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2013-12-31 12:53:26 PM
7 votes:

SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.


I'm not sure what your point is.

Before ACA:
--He had no insurance.
--His employer had crap "group coverage" that wasn't really insurance.
--He had to go to charity to pay his medical expenses.

If ACA had been in place:
--His employer would have actually had to provide real insurance (better for him) or tell him to find insurance on his own (effectively the same as now).
--If he didn't have employer provided insurance, he would have had to buy his own insurance (better for him), or have willingly refused to purchase insurance (same as now, with small penalty)
--When he got sick, he would have his expenses paid for by insurance (much better for him), or if he had refused coverage would have to rely on charity to pay his medical expenses (same as now).

So if the ACA had been fully in effect he'd either be in exactly the same boat as he's in now, or he'd be much better off. So where's the downside of the ACA?
2013-12-31 01:30:27 PM
3 votes:
This is not a health care plan.

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2013-12-31 01:26:20 PM
3 votes:

Serious Black: make me some tea: Serious Black: make me some tea: He should just make himself rich so he doesn't have to rely on the handouts from liberals.

Difficulty: Daily Kos set up a fund and a bunch of their readers donated money towards his health care.

That's the delicious part.

I've been wondering something. Does it seem odd to you (or anyone else really) that cases like this and Jim Inhofe show the libbiest of the liberals are more empathetic to people outside of their tribe than conservatives are to people inside their tribe?



Level of empathy for those in situations you've never personally experienced is one of the foundations of why people are on the left or right.
2013-12-31 01:19:01 PM
3 votes:

MrSplifferton: Why is insurance rates with coveredca twice that of utahs fed exchange?

They also have a lot less options...

To be honest I prefer half price with crappy website...


The insurance company's answer is that it's cheaper to insure someone in Utah compared to California.

The real answer?  Because Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats refused to allow a vote on either a national exchange system or a public option.  Both of these things would have placed further downward pressure on costs.
2013-12-31 01:18:20 PM
3 votes:
I was in hospital visiting a relative last week, and though it was outrageous that the coffee for non-patients was £1.20.

/British people's problems.
2013-12-31 12:57:02 PM
3 votes:
My brother-in-law is one of these idiots... Lives in MA, never got insurance and has been paying the fine every year. He had a heart attack a few months back, and the hospital enrolled him in MAHealth as he was unemployed and had no income...

Dumbass fills his prescriptions without using the insurance he now has and still pisses and moans how he can't afford his medication.
2013-12-31 12:53:12 PM
3 votes:
I've come to the conclusion that most conservative opposition to Obamacare is rooted in basic inexperience and ignorance of the costs of medical care.

Case in point: the guy from TFA thinks the equation "no insurance" + "in a hospital bed with a failing liver" can be solved for less than or equal to $25,000.
2013-12-31 11:52:09 AM
3 votes:

SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.


You're assuming his failing liver wasn't a pre-existing condition which it most likely was as it is detected from a very standard blood test.
2013-12-31 05:12:40 PM
2 votes:

SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.


Trolls did not exist before Fark
There were no places for trolls before Fark
Because of Fark, you have a place to troll.

You are a dumbass.
2013-12-31 03:44:02 PM
2 votes:

jjorsett: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.

You're assuming his failing liver wasn't a pre-existing condition which it most likely was as it is detected from a very standard blood test.

Even if that were true, I still don't see the problem. Whether he acted foolishly or just stood on his principles, he dealt with the consequences. He's not obligated to change his opinion on the worth of Obamacare because of what happened.


He dealt with it by deliberately leeching off of other people, including a bunch of the libbiest liberals that have ever liberaled a day in their liberal lives. That's a pretty piss-poor way of being personally responsible for his own decisions, especially given that he rants about a lack of personal responsibility like it's going out of style.
2013-12-31 03:40:57 PM
2 votes:

jjorsett: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.

You're assuming his failing liver wasn't a pre-existing condition which it most likely was as it is detected from a very standard blood test.

Even if that were true, I still don't see the problem. Whether he acted foolishly or just stood on his principles, he dealt with the consequences. He's not obligated to change his opinion on the worth of Obamacare because of what happened.


He didn't deal with the consequences, he begged for other people to pay for his stupidity
2013-12-31 11:53:27 AM
2 votes:
So, he's a filthy moocher begging for scraps from his betters rather than curing himself with bootstrappery and a healthy draught of Vitamin Jesus?
2014-01-01 12:44:48 AM
1 votes:

Sim Tree: keylock71: sdd2000: keylock71: My brother-in-law is one of these idiots... Lives in MA, never got insurance and has been paying the fine every year. He had a heart attack a few months back, and the hospital enrolled him in MAHealth as he was unemployed and had no income...

Dumbass fills his prescriptions without using the insurance he now has and still pisses and moans how he can't afford his medication.

Maybe he should have the hospital check him out for brain damage as well?

Seriously... I've been of the opinion he has some mental issues for a long time.

And yes, he's a total hard-core, right-wing, GOP voting stooge. Listens to Limbaugh, hates Obama, hates Liz Warren, still has a Scott Brown sticker on his car, complains about the lazy "moochers", etc. etc.

I just make sure I don't talk politics when he's over for the holidays.

He's unemployed on the public dole and complains about lazy moochers? Dafuq?


If he's anything like a certain embarrassing branch of my family tree, he's getting a hand up to get back on his feet.

But Those People(tm)? They're just getting a handout.
2013-12-31 08:58:33 PM
1 votes:

Nasty Celt: All Canadians have full health care coverage at a lower per capita cost than Americans pay. I think it's the "I got mine, screw you" attitude of Americans that will be your undoing.


Far be it from me to white-knight the one-percent, but I think you're reading the situation incorrectly. It's not so much the "I got mine, screw you" as it is the puritan streak that has run through the American psyche since 1630: "you don't work, you don't eat."

The idea of public welfare and all its manifestations are pure anathema to American fundies, rich and poor, and it doesn't take much to get them fired up about it.
2013-12-31 07:59:50 PM
1 votes:
All Canadians have full health care coverage at a lower per capita cost than Americans pay. I think it's the "I got mine, screw you" attitude of Americans that will be your undoing.
2013-12-31 07:42:21 PM
1 votes:
Do they still call themselves the Party of Personal Responsibility or have they figured out how dumb that sounds now?
2013-12-31 06:46:23 PM
1 votes:

jjorsett: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.

You're assuming his failing liver wasn't a pre-existing condition which it most likely was as it is detected from a very standard blood test.

Even if that were true, I still don't see the problem. Whether he acted foolishly or just stood on his principles, he dealt with the consequences. He's not obligated to change his opinion on the worth of Obamacare because of what happened.


Yes, but now, the only way he can ever have insurance is due to Obamacare, so he either has to be thankful for that fact or admit that he is full of shiat.
2013-12-31 05:32:23 PM
1 votes:

seniorgato: Eh?  Before Obamacare it was illegal for a hospital to turn away someone in need.  Nothing has really changed.


Where did you get this idea? Hospitals were always free to stabilize a patient and then kick him to the curb, even if he remained terribly ill. Still can, for that matter.
2013-12-31 05:15:21 PM
1 votes:

nmrsnr: So where's the downside of the ACA?


It was put into law by a black Democrat instead of the rich white Republican male who created it in the first place. Therefore, it sucks and will give you butt cancer.
2013-12-31 03:49:32 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: jjorsett: mrshowrules: SlothB77: Health insurance did not exist before Obamacare.
He had no health insurance options before Obamacare.
Because of Obamacare, he would automatically have health insurance now.

none of these statements are true.

You're assuming his failing liver wasn't a pre-existing condition which it most likely was as it is detected from a very standard blood test.

Even if that were true, I still don't see the problem. Whether he acted foolishly or just stood on his principles, he dealt with the consequences. He's not obligated to change his opinion on the worth of Obamacare because of what happened.

He didn't deal with the consequences, he begged for other people to pay for his stupidity


I have done quite enough reading about this Caleb Howe and I have not gotten an answer to this question:  Has Caleb Howe signed up for medical coverage, or has he decided to be a perpetual liability to his family and friends?
2013-12-31 01:31:45 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: Serious Black: make me some tea: He should just make himself rich so he doesn't have to rely on the handouts from liberals.

Difficulty: Daily Kos set up a fund and a bunch of their readers donated money towards his health care.

That's the delicious part.



....So he could get healthy and launch incrediby vicious and hateful attacks on them.

You know why people don't like liberals? Because they lose. If liberals are so farking smart, how come they lose so goddamn always? - The Newsroom

What do you think wopuld have happened if Markos Moulitsas got sick due to his own stupidity? I guarantee you someone from Powerline, Twitchy, Instapundit, Redstate and/or Gateway Pundit would have snuck into the hospital and tried to pull the plug.  Good God, liberals. Grow a pair, would you?!
2013-12-31 01:23:46 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: Serious Black: make me some tea: He should just make himself rich so he doesn't have to rely on the handouts from liberals.

Difficulty: Daily Kos set up a fund and a bunch of their readers donated money towards his health care.

That's the delicious part.


I've been wondering something. Does it seem odd to you (or anyone else really) that cases like this and Jim Inhofe show the libbiest of the liberals are more empathetic to people outside of their tribe than conservatives are to people inside their tribe?
2013-12-31 01:18:52 PM
1 votes:

Serious Black: make me some tea: He should just make himself rich so he doesn't have to rely on the handouts from liberals.

Difficulty: Daily Kos set up a fund and a bunch of their readers donated money towards his health care.


That's the delicious part.
2013-12-31 01:18:18 PM
1 votes:

sdd2000: keylock71: My brother-in-law is one of these idiots... Lives in MA, never got insurance and has been paying the fine every year. He had a heart attack a few months back, and the hospital enrolled him in MAHealth as he was unemployed and had no income...

Dumbass fills his prescriptions without using the insurance he now has and still pisses and moans how he can't afford his medication.

Maybe he should have the hospital check him out for brain damage as well?


Seriously... I've been of the opinion he has some mental issues for a long time.

And yes, he's a total hard-core, right-wing, GOP voting stooge. Listens to Limbaugh, hates Obama, hates Liz Warren, still has a Scott Brown sticker on his car, complains about the lazy "moochers", etc. etc.

I just make sure I don't talk politics when he's over for the holidays.
2013-12-31 01:14:49 PM
1 votes:

make me some tea: He should just make himself rich so he doesn't have to rely on the handouts from liberals.


Difficulty: Daily Kos set up a fund and a bunch of their readers donated money towards his health care.
2013-12-31 01:10:40 PM
1 votes:

Karac: I've come to the conclusion that most conservative opposition to Obamacare is rooted in basic inexperience and ignorance of the costs of medical care.

Case in point: the guy from TFA thinks the equation "no insurance" + "in a hospital bed with a failing liver" can be solved for less than or equal to $25,000.


Correct, but you can simplify it even further.

"Conservative opposition is rooted in basic inexperience and ignorance."

Apply to all topics. I wish I was joking, but this is factually true.
2013-12-31 12:53:48 PM
1 votes:
I bet he left owing the hospital money that he won't ever pay.
2013-12-31 12:14:14 PM
1 votes:

DamnYankees: mrshowrules: You're assuming his failing liver wasn't a pre-existing condition which it most likely was as it is detected from a very standard blood test.

It certainly would be now at least.


So he has no choice but to be a hypocrite now.
2013-12-31 12:00:10 PM
1 votes:
He should just make himself rich so he doesn't have to rely on the handouts from liberals.
 
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