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(BBC)   Proof that Broadway is out of ideas: The Lion King, which has been running continuously since 1997, is this year's top grossing show   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 53
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2013-12-31 08:55:31 AM  
It's the circle of life.
 
2013-12-31 08:59:28 AM  
I saw it in 2002, and it was absolutely farking increadible. Its a great, great show.
 
2013-12-31 09:18:46 AM  
 
2013-12-31 09:18:47 AM  
Wow. I'm shocked that the other hit Broadway musical, ADAPTATION OF COMIC BOOK/SITCOM/MOTION PICTURE, starring FORMER CELEBRITY/SINGING GAME SHOW CONTESTANT, didn't amaze audiences with its dazzling storyline and songs penned by none other than HAS-BEEN SINGER FROM A PAST DECADE.
 
2013-12-31 09:19:15 AM  
Got robbed:

www.worldsgreatestcritic.com

But really, going to a show is expensive - especially if you want to introduce your kids to the leg-it-a-mit the-a-ter. You want to make sure you're money is going to be well spent so I can see the Lion King still being the top show.
 
2013-12-31 09:20:14 AM  
hmm, wrong image.  let's try this one

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2013-12-31 09:20:30 AM  
Disney has much better audience data than other producers and so they can set dynamic pricing much more effectively than other shows can. This applies to Newsies (and will apply to Aladdin) as well, but Newsies doesn't have nearly as much demand as The Lion King.

What's actually interesting here is that Wicked broke the Christmas week (and thus all-time) ticket sales record rather than Lion King, even though Lion King beats it on a regular basis.

Warner Brothers has previously announced that Wicked is its most profitable property of all time - more than any movie it's ever produced.
 
2013-12-31 09:22:32 AM  
Yeah, people don't shell out a few hundred bucks per ticket for experimental theater.
 
2013-12-31 09:22:51 AM  
To be honest, I've been out of ideas for years
 
2013-12-31 09:23:17 AM  

MugzyBrown: To be honest, I've been out of ideas for years


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2013-12-31 09:32:35 AM  

peterquince: Warner Brothers has previously announced that Wicked is its most profitable property of all time - more than any movie it's ever produced.


I just don't know if I can buy that.

Harry.  farking.  Potter.

I mean...  it MIGHT be true, and god knows Hollywood accounting probably shows the HP movies grossing zero dollars (or are all in the red) but come on.  There is no way a Broadway musical grossed more money than 8 of the most popular movies ever filmed.
 
2013-12-31 09:35:46 AM  
Watched Frozen recently. Seems like the music and movie were written specifically for a future musical. Seems like a smart play. Make a couple hundred million at the box office and then turn it into a musical that can run for 20 years.
 
2013-12-31 09:39:12 AM  

EyeballKid: Wow. I'm shocked that the other hit Broadway musical, ADAPTATION OF COMIC BOOK/SITCOM/MOTION PICTURE, starring FORMER CELEBRITY/SINGING GAME SHOW CONTESTANT, didn't amaze audiences with its dazzling storyline and songs penned by none other than HAS-BEEN SINGER FROM A PAST DECADE.


I'm shocked that the Scrubs musical with Ruben Studdard didn't do better. Especially with music by 4 Non-Blondes.
 
2013-12-31 09:45:28 AM  
Hmmm... Harry Potter is actually 8 different properties for the purposes of film revenue, and IINM, WB doesn't own the underlying material (HP is at Universal Studios, for instance) but is only distributing the films. The films have grossed a combined $7.7 billion worldwide. How much of that goes to production company, the distribution company, the author etc.? Does the distribution company get half? I legitimately don't know.

Wicked has already grossed over 3 billion dollars (around the world, not just on b'way), and its weekly grosses keep increasing. (Are the HP movies kind of done making major money?) I will also say that I may have mis-remembered what I read. This article from last August says Wicked is "on track" to become the most profitable.

Of course it also just occured to me that "most profitable" could be in terms of percentage return on investment, rather than sheer dollars made.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/movies/hollywoods-big-bet-on-broadw a y-adaptations.html?_r=0">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/04/movies/hol lywoods-big-bet-on-broadwa y-adaptations.html?_r=0
 
2013-12-31 09:46:50 AM  

frepnog: peterquince: Warner Brothers has previously announced that Wicked is its most profitable property of all time - more than any movie it's ever produced.

I just don't know if I can buy that.

Harry.  farking.  Potter.

I mean...  it MIGHT be true, and god knows Hollywood accounting probably shows the HP movies grossing zero dollars (or are all in the red) but come on.  There is no way a Broadway musical grossed more money than 8 of the most popular movies ever filmed.


WB also owns the Dark Knight trilogy. I understand that they were popular and made big money.
 
2013-12-31 09:49:31 AM  
Also, Wagner's Ring Cycle still sells out opera houses. Something old remaining popular isn't "being out of ideas," subby. From your headline, I expected an announcement of a stage sequel to Lion King or something. Please learn the meaning of a running gag before trying to employ it.
 
2013-12-31 09:56:49 AM  
Maybe it is the hundreds of dollars it costs to go to any show...

Maybe it is the fact that people don't generally want to go to plays/musicals anymore when they go to NYC

Maybe it is that the Broadway musical as a genre has died an ugly death and is being kept alive on a respirator...

Maybe people can turn on Glee or any number of singing variety shows and get their fill of overacted, oversung pap that goes nowhere...

Maybe the cost to produce a bigger bolder show than Phantom/Les Miz/Lion King/Mamma Mia/etc. is so cost prohibitive that financiers won't pay for it, producers won't touch it, and people lose interest...

Maybe writers and idea people would rather put out something cheaper that can be put on TV and seen by many more people...
 
2013-12-31 09:57:33 AM  
Broadway theater: the cruise ship that never leaves dock.
 
2013-12-31 10:01:18 AM  

KirkasinCaptainKirk: Maybe it is the hundreds of dollars it costs to go to any show...

Maybe it is the fact that people don't generally want to go to plays/musicals anymore when they go to NYC

Maybe it is that the Broadway musical as a genre has died an ugly death and is being kept alive on a respirator...

Maybe people can turn on Glee or any number of singing variety shows and get their fill of overacted, oversung pap that goes nowhere...

Maybe the cost to produce a bigger bolder show than Phantom/Les Miz/Lion King/Mamma Mia/etc. is so cost prohibitive that financiers won't pay for it, producers won't touch it, and people lose interest...

Maybe writers and idea people would rather put out something cheaper that can be put on TV and seen by many more people...



Actually, broadway revenues are exploding right now, though ticket sales are down slightly. And B'way investments average a 40% annual return. B'way shows fail at approximately the same rate as restaurants nationally.
 
2013-12-31 10:01:47 AM  

KirkasinCaptainKirk: Maybe it is the hundreds of dollars it costs to go to any show...

Maybe it is the fact that people don't generally want to go to plays/musicals anymore when they go to NYC

Maybe it is that the Broadway musical as a genre has died an ugly death and is being kept alive on a respirator...

Maybe people can turn on Glee or any number of singing variety shows and get their fill of overacted, oversung pap that goes nowhere...

Maybe the cost to produce a bigger bolder show than Phantom/Les Miz/Lion King/Mamma Mia/etc. is so cost prohibitive that financiers won't pay for it, producers won't touch it, and people lose interest...

Maybe writers and idea people would rather put out something cheaper that can be put on TV and seen by many more people...


Great post on an article about a bunch of Broadway shows making tens of millions of dollars and breaking box office records.
 
2013-12-31 10:03:31 AM  

frepnog: peterquince: Warner Brothers has previously announced that Wicked is its most profitable property of all time - more than any movie it's ever produced.

I just don't know if I can buy that.

Harry.  farking.  Potter.

I mean...  it MIGHT be true, and god knows Hollywood accounting probably shows the HP movies grossing zero dollars (or are all in the red) but come on.  There is no way a Broadway musical grossed more money than 8 of the most popular movies ever filmed.


Hmmm, that's a tough call. My initial thinking would be that HP should beat it easily.

According to an article I found on the net, Wicked has made a profit of "more than $300 million from Broadway and other productions worldwide." So that doesn't include whatever ancillary music CD sales, or Lego Wicked video game sales or whatever.

I would assume that the full collection of HP movies have HAD to beat that. Heck, the first HP movie had a production budget of 125 million, and made 657 million world wide. Now, I suppose that they could've spent 400 million on total marketing worldwide.

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Now, from a pure ROI standpoint, there is a good chance that Wicked turns a much greater profit versus investment than Harry Potter (Wicked only cost 14 million to develop, and is a cash cow wherever they set up a satellite production).
 
2013-12-31 10:12:14 AM  
There's a road production of Book Of Mormon coming to town, I would love to see that
 
2013-12-31 10:14:15 AM  
The Lion King is a VERY good production, I've seen it twice now, and would definitely see it again.

This Christmas, the wife and I saw Motown at Lunt-Fontanne.  (Man, I hate that theater.)  The production was pretty good, but the story was too vague, and the ending was pretty abrupt as far as grand finales go.  I enjoyed Jersey Boys a whole lot more.

Next on the list for us is probably "Rock of Ages" - anyone have thoughts on that one?
 
2013-12-31 10:19:38 AM  

Slow To Return: Next on the list for us is probably "Rock of Ages" - anyone have thoughts on that one?


UGH. Rock of Ages is one one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Check out "After Midnight" (the orchestra is the Jazz at Lincoln Center all-stars) or "Pippin".

I also loved "Matilda," but it's not really in line with Jersey Boys/Motown/Rock fo Ages, so I don't know if it'd be for you.
 
2013-12-31 10:23:36 AM  

Slow To Return: The Lion King is a VERY good production, I've seen it twice now, and would definitely see it again.

This Christmas, the wife and I saw Motown at Lunt-Fontanne.  (Man, I hate that theater.)  The production was pretty good, but the story was too vague, and the ending was pretty abrupt as far as grand finales go.  I enjoyed Jersey Boys a whole lot more.

Next on the list for us is probably "Rock of Ages" - anyone have thoughts on that one?


It sounds like you could use this new handy invention called a "Greatest Hits CD."
 
2013-12-31 10:23:50 AM  

peterquince: I also loved "Matilda,"


is that based on the same story the film with Danny Devito told?
 
2013-12-31 10:31:51 AM  

frepnog: peterquince: I also loved "Matilda,"

is that based on the same story the film with Danny Devito told?


Yeah, they're both based on the Roald Dahl book. The stage show is less special-effect-y than the film, obviously. But they included an illusionist in the creative team, so some of the "magic" the little girl does is pretty amazing (first time in a long time I haven't been able to figure out how they did a stage trick). And the writing is ridiculously smart/funny.

Downsides: children singing; british accents.
 
2013-12-31 10:31:52 AM  

peterquince: UGH. Rock of Ages is one one of the worst shows I've ever seen. Check out "After Midnight" (the orchestra is the Jazz at Lincoln Center all-stars) or "Pippin".


We've seen "After Midnight," and I'm not really a Chicago Bulls fan.

Thanks for the feedback on "Rock of Ages" - I grew up in the 80's (mostly), so I had a vague interest in it.

/just kidding about "Pippen".  We'll look into it - definitely heard good things about it.  We live in Dallas and only get to NYC to visit family two or three times a year.
 
2013-12-31 10:32:59 AM  

EyeballKid: It sounds like you could use this new handy invention called a "Greatest Hits CD."


Yea, Musicals tend to be based around music.

Thanks,  I'll look into these "CD" things.
 
2013-12-31 10:35:08 AM  

peterquince: Yeah, they're both based on the Roald Dahl book. The stage show is less special-effect-y than the film, obviously. But they included an illusionist in the creative team, so some of the "magic" the little girl does is pretty amazing (first time in a long time I haven't been able to figure out how they did a stage trick). And the writing is ridiculously smart/funny.

Downsides: children singing; british accents.



I enjoyed the book, didn't care for the movie, but it sounds like the stage show might be enjoyable.
 
2013-12-31 10:37:11 AM  

Slow To Return: Thanks, I'll look into these "CD" things.


Watch the Tom Cruise movie. It's pretty similar to the b/way (as opposed to a lot of movies that change things a lot in the adaptaion). If you love it, it'll be worth seeing the show too.

Just looked at Broadway Dallas. That production of Godspell that's coming to you is like watching a Carrot Top performance, but less interesting and funny. Don't waste your money.
 
2013-12-31 10:54:44 AM  

Slow To Return: The Lion King is a VERY good production, I've seen it twice now, and would definitely see it again.

This Christmas, the wife and I saw Motown at Lunt-Fontanne.  (Man, I hate that theater.)  The production was pretty good, but the story was too vague, and the ending was pretty abrupt as far as grand finales go.  I enjoyed Jersey Boys a whole lot more.

Next on the list for us is probably "Rock of Ages" - anyone have thoughts on that one?


IDK I prefer original songs made for the musical, musicals.  To me it just feels like cheating when you do something like that.
 
2013-12-31 11:04:12 AM  

vernonFL: I saw it in 2002, and it was absolutely farking increadible. Its a great, great show.


this!

saw it last year with my fiance. we loved it. it was really good.
 
2013-12-31 11:06:05 AM  

Slow To Return: Next on the list for us is probably "Rock of Ages" - anyone have thoughts on that one?


Saw this in its original run with Constantine Maroulis in the lead role, and loved every minute of it.  The crowd (in Seattle) was really into it, singing and clapping along with all the songs.  Saw it again last year in Las Vegas, and it was still good, though not quite the same experience.

That being said, do NOT try to watch the abomination that was the Tom Cruise movie.
 
2013-12-31 11:09:14 AM  

KJUW89: That being said, do NOT try to watch the abomination that was the Tom Cruise movie.


Russell Brand is pretty much all you need to know....
 
2013-12-31 11:22:26 AM  

Slow To Return: KJUW89: That being said, do NOT try to watch the abomination that was the Tom Cruise movie.

Russell Brand is pretty much all you need to know....


Yeah, that's the level the Broadway show is on now.
 
2013-12-31 11:43:36 AM  

rtaylor92: Watched Frozen recently. Seems like the music and movie were written specifically for a future musical. Seems like a smart play. Make a couple hundred million at the box office and then turn it into a musical that can run for 20 years.


You're probably right, but a big part of the "Broadway" feel also comes from Frozen having the songwriters that worked on Avenue Q and The Book of Mormon, plus Idina Menzel playing Elsa. It's got the strongest musical theater roots of any Disney movie in a long time.
 
2013-12-31 12:00:56 PM  

swankywanky: Got robbed:

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But really, going to a show is expensive - especially if you want to introduce your kids to the leg-it-a-mit the-a-ter. You want to make sure you're money is going to be well spent so I can see the Lion King still being the top show.


Legitimate theater is cheap.  Musical theater is expensive.

Every decent college puts on Shakespeare, or Chekov, or Miller, or gets visited by a professional company performing same. $20 gets you in the door; $10 for your kids.
 
2013-12-31 12:03:32 PM  
Proof that Broadway is out of ideas: The Lion King, which has been running continuously since 1997, is this year's top grossing show

Proof that subby's an idiot: S/he equates a show being popular for a long period of time with other shows not existing or being created, for some stupid reason.
 
2013-12-31 12:08:51 PM  

Slow To Return: The Lion King is a VERY good production, I've seen it twice now, and would definitely see it again.

This Christmas, the wife and I saw Motown at Lunt-Fontanne.  (Man, I hate that theater.)  The production was pretty good, but the story was too vague, and the ending was pretty abrupt as far as grand finales go.  I enjoyed Jersey Boys a whole lot more.

Next on the list for us is probably "Rock of Ages" - anyone have thoughts on that one?


Wasnt a big fan of Rock of Ages, though Im jaded by listening to the same 15 songs on "The Eagle" 10 times a day.  Try Jersey boys.  Ive seen it in London and Las Vegas and was great both times.  Same sort of overplayed pop songs but it was before my generation and doesnt get played on the radio as much so I enjoyed it more.
 
2013-12-31 12:42:29 PM  
Saw a production of Beauty and the Beast in Budapest, sung in Hungarian. Beautiful set design, somehow Hungarian works in Disney songs, but the biggest thing is that Hungarian singers tend to be classically trained. Hearing Belle sung by an accomplished opera singer instead of a Kelly Clarkson wannabe is such a shock.

But if you go to Budapest, go to the state Opera House.

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2013-12-31 01:16:22 PM  
The problem with musicals is that recordings came along, and songwriters didn't need them. A few choose to work in musicals, but most of the best songwriters are writing for Miley Cyrus or Xtina now.

You can see the line at around 1970. Loads of great 1950s and 1960s musicals. Since then? I'll go for Rocky Horror, Little Shop of Horrors, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut and really, not much else.
 
2013-12-31 01:22:33 PM  

peterquince: frepnog: peterquince: I also loved "Matilda,"

is that based on the same story the film with Danny Devito told?

Yeah, they're both based on the Roald Dahl book. The stage show is less special-effect-y than the film, obviously. But they included an illusionist in the creative team, so some of the "magic" the little girl does is pretty amazing (first time in a long time I haven't been able to figure out how they did a stage trick). And the writing is ridiculously smart/funny.

Downsides: children singing; british accents.


The music and lyrics are by Tim Minchin so it's hard to go wrong.
 
2013-12-31 01:37:10 PM  
Blame torists.

Its where all the large (in quantity and body type) mid-westerner families go when they come here for vacation.

/typing this from my midtown office, looking out the window watching all the cattle get ready to moo into Times Square
 
2013-12-31 01:48:46 PM  

LemSkroob: Blame torists.

Its where all the large (in quantity and body type) mid-westerner families go when they come here for vacation.

/typing this from my midtown office, looking out the window watching all the cattle get ready to moo into Times Square


Don't go crying to hard.  All those tourist dollars pay for infrastructure and amenities that make your life more liveable.
 
2013-12-31 02:17:18 PM  
Proof that people don't like, and are scared by, new things.
 
2013-12-31 06:20:45 PM  

vernonFL: I saw it in 2002, and it was absolutely farking increadible. Its a great, great show.


Saw it in Miami in 2012 and loved it.
 
2013-12-31 06:22:33 PM  

rtaylor92: Watched Frozen recently. Seems like the music and movie were written specifically for a future musical. Seems like a smart play. Make a couple hundred million at the box office and then turn it into a musical that can run for 20 years.


Disney's been doing this since 1989 with "The Little Mermaid."  They auditioned B-way actors for the leads in "Beauty & the Beast" as well.
 
2013-12-31 06:35:59 PM  

Daraymann: Proof that people don't like, and are scared by, new things.


Not really, no.
 
2013-12-31 09:17:44 PM  
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