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2013-12-30 11:49:05 PM
UPDATE: The Motley Fool have retracted their story
 
2013-12-31 12:01:01 AM
Well, Fox already destroyed the Simpsons all to hell.
 
2013-12-31 01:14:25 AM
Oh I think the FF and XMen movies have done enough to destroy their own franchises before this movie came out.

Well in all fairness, X1, X2, and First Class were all pretty good. I'd like to pretend X3 never happened.

FF was never good, and yes, I blame Jessica Alba.
 
2013-12-31 04:29:50 AM
Racing Warner Brothers as they progress to destroy their comic franchises; no doubt.
 
Skr
2013-12-31 04:36:28 AM
Evans was a decent enough Human Torch in those piss poor movies, though he makes a much better Captain America.
 
2013-12-31 04:48:59 AM

bdub77: Oh I think the FF and XMen movies have done enough to destroy their own franchises before this movie came out.

Well in all fairness, X1, X2, and First Class were all pretty good. I'd like to pretend X3 never happened.


I'm not feeling the hate for X3. Quality-wise, it's about on par with X1, and while it has more than its share of groaner dialogue, there's still nothing in it as risible as the infamous "You know what happens to a frog..?" line. Maybe it's because I never read X-Men as a kid and had no expectations for the "Dark Phoenix" storyline, but I don't think it's the dramatic dump on the series that the Netgeist is determined to paint it as.

My personal take on it is that it's watchable enough I could sit through it again, which is a lot more than I can say for that other superhero project Bryan Singer chose to do instead.
 
2013-12-31 05:09:36 AM
original FF movies were still in the camp camp.  they didn't take the characters serious like the newest genre of comic movies are.  when you play real life playing cartoon, it sucks cartoon (ie speed racer - total piece o crap), but now they've figured how to take cartoons and turn them as close to real life as possible (with cgi holding their winkies).  if they don't go back to camp, it might be worth a watch.  If they do go back to camp, then it'll be like Burton's batmans....unless you are high on something, they aren't worth viewing more than once.
 
2013-12-31 06:23:22 AM

EdgeRunner: bdub77: Oh I think the FF and XMen movies have done enough to destroy their own franchises before this movie came out.

Well in all fairness, X1, X2, and First Class were all pretty good. I'd like to pretend X3 never happened.

I'm not feeling the hate for X3. Quality-wise, it's about on par with X1, and while it has more than its share of groaner dialogue, there's still nothing in it as risible as the infamous "You know what happens to a frog..?" line. Maybe it's because I never read X-Men as a kid and had no expectations for the "Dark Phoenix" storyline, but I don't think it's the dramatic dump on the series that the Netgeist is determined to paint it as.

My personal take on it is that it's watchable enough I could sit through it again, which is a lot more than I can say for that other superhero project Bryan Singer chose to do instead.


The death of Cyclops being almost an afterthought bothered me. The romantic subplot between Wolvy and Jean was terrible. But I think the big problem with X3 is that it was an ending. Realistically, the story had to end because there was no way a studio would fund another movie with all of the increasingly expensive characters. But the whole of X-Men is supposed to be a parable about the struggle for civil rights (originally for minorities, the first movie made it more about LGBT rights). To say that there's ever a conclusive end for the story feels wrong because we know it to be wrong and overly simplistic.

But a lot of things happened in that movie solely because the studio demanded that they happen. Cyclops was killed because the actor was in a DC movie. Jean Grey was killed because the actress wanted out. The story ended because they didn't want to continue paying Halle Berry and the rest of the cast. The Juggernaut screamed "I'm the Juggernaut, biatch" because the internet demanded it be (actually, I don't hate that part, but it is a tad forced).

One of the few moments that happens in the film that felt somewhat authentic was Rogue deciding to cure herself. Because that made sense for the character, and it was a tough reality to argue for the rest of the characters. Her life will be so much better off without being a mutant. Other than that, it seemed like an avalanche of bad decisions capped off with terrible CGI and overwrought ending sequences.
 
2013-12-31 06:36:54 AM

lacydog: But I think the big problem with X3 is that it was an ending. Realistically, the story had to end because there was no way a studio would fund another movie with all of the increasingly expensive characters. But the whole of X-Men is supposed to be a parable about the struggle for civil rights (originally for minorities, the first movie made it more about LGBT rights). To say that there's ever a conclusive end for the story feels wrong because we know it to be wrong and overly simplistic.


While I realise they were going to wrap it all up eventually, I think my biggest problem with X3 is that they decided that because it's movie #3, it is therefore a trilogy and that the series should be closed out, even if the story-arch didn't really dictate that. Because it didn't feel like a natural ending, it felt like a whole bunch of stuff was thrown together at the last minute (including Cyclops' death) to try to force the conclusion.


I don't think X3 was nearly as bad as some have made it out to be, but it wasn't really all that satisfying.
 
2013-12-31 06:36:58 AM
Oh, cool. Another comic book movie to suck bleeding donkey ass.
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2013-12-31 07:33:56 AM

fusillade762: UPDATE: The Motley Fool have retracted their story


Good. The comic crossover wouldn't have made a good movie. 90% of it was characters standing around wangsting.
 
2013-12-31 07:48:46 AM

Skr: Evans was a decent enough Human Torch in those piss poor movies, though he makes a much better Captain America.


See, I don't like him as Captain America.  Channing Tatum would have been perfect.
 
2013-12-31 07:53:08 AM
Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?
 
2013-12-31 07:58:19 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?


Oh look, it's that guy.
 
2013-12-31 08:04:52 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?


And do you think adults never went to see any of the X-men or FF movies?  Do you think they were coerced at gunpoint to see this films?  Or do you think those high grosses were all kids and teenagers?  HURRRR DERRRRR!

Would you like to retract your comment in shame or just end your own life in shame?

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2013-12-31 08:24:06 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?




Anyone who says comics are for kids has not read one in decades.
 
2013-12-31 08:57:16 AM
I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.
 
2013-12-31 09:00:26 AM

therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.


This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.
 
2013-12-31 09:42:35 AM

texdent: therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.

This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.


I believe it is on record that in the new X Men movie universe... X3 just never happened. And I for one, am happy that it is considered non cannon. Being that my only exposure to the Dark Phoenix saga was from the 90s X-Men cartoon. I was very upset about the how they made her. And with how they added the real phoenix at the end of the second movie. That was what I was wanting. Also, I am sick of The X-Men becoming Wolverine and a bunch of other mutants.
 
2013-12-31 09:59:59 AM
Those Fantastic 4 movies were the worst attempts at comic book movies I've ever seen.  Even Daredevil was better.  I'm pretty sure the second movie wasn't even a real movie - I think it was just a collection of scenes that were shot to round out a trilogy that were hastily stitched together at the last second when funding was pulled.  Dr. Doom reappears with no explanation or reason, they immediately start trusting him (???), the main villain has about four seconds of screen-time in which he (1) does nothing, and (2) is immediately destroyed, and the movie is book-ended with zany antics and wedding schmoozery.  It all comes off as 20% of two movies that was glued together with packing-peanuts to make one movie-length piece of garbage.
 
2013-12-31 10:05:07 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Those Fantastic 4 movies were the worst attempts at comic book movies I've ever seen.  Even Daredevil was better.  I'm pretty sure the second movie wasn't even a real movie - I think it was just a collection of scenes that were shot to round out a trilogy that were hastily stitched together at the last second when funding was pulled.  Dr. Doom reappears with no explanation or reason, they immediately start trusting him (???), the main villain has about four seconds of screen-time in which he (1) does nothing, and (2) is immediately destroyed, and the movie is book-ended with zany antics and wedding schmoozery.  It all comes off as 20% of two movies that was glued together with packing-peanuts to make one movie-length piece of garbage.


I thought the second movie was slightly better, mostly because the Silver Surfer was kind of neat.


but yeah, both movies blew.
 
2013-12-31 10:10:10 AM

FeedTheCollapse: I thought the second movie was slightly better, mostly because the Silver Surfer was kind of neat.


but yeah, both movies blew.


I like when Dr. Stretch Armstrong starts rubber-dancing at the nightclub, and his dress-pants/sweater-vest outfit stretches right along with him.  Even the CGI guys were throwing in the towel on that movie.  And The Amazing Flamer gets to trade powers with anyone he touches, except at the end, where he absorbs everyone's powers and gets to keep his own?  I think the first movie wins over the second one if only because the first movie has, at least, a story-line that makes the slightest bit of sense.  I don't think it's possible to explain the plot to the second movie to someone and get them to understand it.  It's less of a story and more a series of scenes implied to be in chronological order.
 
2013-12-31 10:19:16 AM

EdgeRunner: bdub77: Oh I think the FF and XMen movies have done enough to destroy their own franchises before this movie came out.

Well in all fairness, X1, X2, and First Class were all pretty good. I'd like to pretend X3 never happened.

I'm not feeling the hate for X3. Quality-wise, it's about on par with X1, and while it has more than its share of groaner dialogue, there's still nothing in it as risible as the infamous "You know what happens to a frog..?" line. Maybe it's because I never read X-Men as a kid and had no expectations for the "Dark Phoenix" storyline, but I don't think it's the dramatic dump on the series that the Netgeist is determined to paint it as.

My personal take on it is that it's watchable enough I could sit through it again, which is a lot more than I can say for that other superhero project Bryan Singer chose to do instead.


No, X3 was bad from start to finish with plot holes the size of Texas and no redeeming qualities.
 
2013-12-31 10:21:03 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?


Ok, you heard our lord and master.  We are not allowed to enjoy anything except what he deems appropriate.  He is the ultimate arbiter of what constitutes acceptable entertainment.  The rest of you will cease to enjoy comic book movies immediately.
 
2013-12-31 10:33:17 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?


Pr0n?

/Pr0n.
//Definitely pr0n.
 
2013-12-31 10:33:56 AM

yves0010: texdent: therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.

This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.

I believe it is on record that in the new X Men movie universe... X3 just never happened. And I for one, am happy that it is considered non cannon. Being that my only exposure to the Dark Phoenix saga was from the 90s X-Men cartoon. I was very upset about the how they made her. And with how they added the real phoenix at the end of the second movie. That was what I was wanting. Also, I am sick of The X-Men becoming Wolverine and a bunch of other mutants.


considering professor x was killed in X3, at least physically, and you can see his body in the trailers for Days of Future Past, I think that is a fair assumption
 
2013-12-31 11:00:12 AM

moistD: yves0010: texdent: therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.

This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.

I believe it is on record that in the new X Men movie universe... X3 just never happened. And I for one, am happy that it is considered non cannon. Being that my only exposure to the Dark Phoenix saga was from the 90s X-Men cartoon. I was very upset about the how they made her. And with how they added the real phoenix at the end of the second movie. That was what I was wanting. Also, I am sick of The X-Men becoming Wolverine and a bunch of other mutants.

considering professor x was killed in X3, at least physically, and you can see his body in the trailers for Days of Future Past, I think that is a fair assumption


The little scene at the end of X3 eludes to him transferring his mind into his comatose twin brother... but I am not sure if that is considered cannon still.
 
2013-12-31 11:02:52 AM
We don't need a Xmen/FF movie. We need a FF movie with The Hulk and Namor as the villains. Also why can't they make a good Punisher movie? The always fark up his back story. Just change it to Afghanistan instead of Nam and that's all you need.
 
2013-12-31 11:03:22 AM

yves0010: moistD: yves0010: texdent: therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.

This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.

I believe it is on record that in the new X Men movie universe... X3 just never happened. And I for one, am happy that it is considered non cannon. Being that my only exposure to the Dark Phoenix saga was from the 90s X-Men cartoon. I was very upset about the how they made her. And with how they added the real phoenix at the end of the second movie. That was what I was wanting. Also, I am sick of The X-Men becoming Wolverine and a bunch of other mutants.

considering professor x was killed in X3, at least physically, and you can see his body in the trailers for Days of Future Past, I think that is a fair assumption

The little scene at the end of X3 eludes to him transferring his mind into his comatose twin brother... but I am not sure if that is considered cannon still.


sorry in my mind that translated to, yes he transferred his mind possibly whatever the fark that means.  I should have been clearer.

/but mystique is definitely de-powered....
 
2013-12-31 11:08:52 AM

moistD: yves0010: moistD: yves0010: texdent: therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.

This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.

I believe it is on record that in the new X Men movie universe... X3 just never happened. And I for one, am happy that it is considered non cannon. Being that my only exposure to the Dark Phoenix saga was from the 90s X-Men cartoon. I was very upset about the how they made her. And with how they added the real phoenix at the end of the second movie. That was what I was wanting. Also, I am sick of The X-Men becoming Wolverine and a bunch of other mutants.

considering professor x was killed in X3, at least physically, and you can see his body in the trailers for Days of Future Past, I think that is a fair assumption

The little scene at the end of X3 eludes to him transferring his mind into his comatose twin brother... but I am not sure if that is considered cannon still.

sorry in my mind that translated to, yes he transferred his mind possibly whatever the fark that means.  I should have been clearer.

/but mystique is definitely de-powered....


I knew what you meant. But they have a work around ready and set for use as a just in case they really want to force X3 into the cannon of Days of Future Past. And I am not really happy with the new movie. Its going to be another Wolverine and some other mutants movie. Wish they just sent Kitty back in time like they did in the comics.
 
2013-12-31 11:20:31 AM

yves0010: texdent: therecksays: I'm sorry defenders of X-3 it was a terrible movie. From deciding to hire Brett Farking Ratner to bungling the Dark Pheonix story to bungling "The Cure" story it was terrible from top to bottom. You casually kill major characters while introducing Collosus and Shadowcat and then do nothing with them. I could easily wall of text everything that was wrong with that movie.

This

However with X-Men Days of Future Past involving time travel and potentially undoing Last Stand, Jean and Scott could be alive by the end of the movie.

I believe it is on record that in the new X Men movie universe... X3 just never happened. And I for one, am happy that it is considered non cannon. Being that my only exposure to the Dark Phoenix saga was from the 90s X-Men cartoon. I was very upset about the how they made her. And with how they added the real phoenix at the end of the second movie. That was what I was wanting. Also, I am sick of The X-Men becoming Wolverine and a bunch of other mutants.


What you believe and reality are two different things.

The Wolverine acknowledges Last Stand and leads into Days of Future Past.

So, believe in one hand and shiat in the other.  See if they look that much different.

Hint: They don't.
 
2013-12-31 11:24:37 AM

bdub77: I'd like to pretend X3 never happened.


Only thing good about that movie was Kelsey Grammer as Beast.

bdub77: FF was never good, and yes, I blame Jessica Alba.


Only thing good about that movie was Jessica Alba's ass.
 
2013-12-31 11:30:09 AM

Skr: Evans was a decent enough Human Torch in those piss poor movies, though he makes a much better Captain America.


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2013-12-31 11:30:25 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?

Anyone who says comics are for kids has not read one in decades.


If you say so. The movies are decent enough action flicks; saying they are for children is ridiculous, the comics are for kids. I still grab one on occasion when one of my friends' kids are around, and they are universally ... ridiculous (hate to use the word twice, but there ya go).

Now, I'm talking mainstream (involving the X-Men, Avengers, Spiderman/-man/ Man, etc) comics, not some of the others out there.

/dying for Winter Soldier
//fark you all: Godzilla, biatches
 
2013-12-31 11:57:28 AM

yves0010: I knew what you meant. But they have a work around ready and set for use as a just in case they really want to force X3 into the cannon of Days of Future Past. And I am not really happy with the new movie. Its going to be another Wolverine and some other mutants movie. Wish they just sent Kitty back in time like they did in the comics.


I would love it if somehow Days of Future Past erased X3 from the canon. It's a time travel movie, so why not change that entirely? Most of us will be perfectly happy for the official canon to match what we already feel about that movie anyway.

As for using Kitty over Wolverine, what are you nuts? This movie is not only a sequel to First Class, it's a chance for the original trilogy to redeem itself. You don't give a job like that to Kitty. You bring in the biggest gun you have, and that's Wolverine. This is one of those times when you DON'T want to stay true to the book. Next you'll probably complain that Wolverine isn't wearing yellow spandex.

coeyagi: What you believe and reality are two different things.

The Wolverine acknowledges Last Stand and leads into Days of Future Past.


And then Wolverine goes back in time to change history, meaning that in the new timeline, Last Stand never happened. You don't think a character haunted by the ghost of the woman he killed will try anything to change that event? The chance to change that history might be what finally convinces Logan to do it.
 
2013-12-31 11:57:57 AM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?


If they ever come out with an adult movie where the wife, husband, kids, and dog live to the end, then you'd have a point.  Or maybe, instead of an "overcoming all odds and wins/learns in the end", how about a non-wacky "gets crushed by overwhelming odds and gets on with a mediocre, boring life."  Until then, screw the forced-emotion tearjerking wankery of "adult" movies.
 
2013-12-31 12:09:34 PM

Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?


They have those. Porn
 
2013-12-31 12:14:29 PM

soporific: yves0010: I knew what you meant. But they have a work around ready and set for use as a just in case they really want to force X3 into the cannon of Days of Future Past. And I am not really happy with the new movie. Its going to be another Wolverine and some other mutants movie. Wish they just sent Kitty back in time like they did in the comics.

I would love it if somehow Days of Future Past erased X3 from the canon. It's a time travel movie, so why not change that entirely? Most of us will be perfectly happy for the official canon to match what we already feel about that movie anyway.

As for using Kitty over Wolverine, what are you nuts? This movie is not only a sequel to First Class, it's a chance for the original trilogy to redeem itself. You don't give a job like that to Kitty. You bring in the biggest gun you have, and that's Wolverine. This is one of those times when you DON'T want to stay true to the book. Next you'll probably complain that Wolverine isn't wearing yellow spandex.

coeyagi: What you believe and reality are two different things.

The Wolverine acknowledges Last Stand and leads into Days of Future Past.

And then Wolverine goes back in time to change history, meaning that in the new timeline, Last Stand never happened. You don't think a character haunted by the ghost of the woman he killed will try anything to change that event? The chance to change that history might be what finally convinces Logan to do it.


Dont mind the yellow spandex costume missing. But I am tired of Wolverine as much as I am sick of Batman. I feel they are way to overused. I feel X-Men should be about the group... what it became was Wolverine with some of the other X-Men as secondaries. I just want another mutant in the foreground who can do what Wolverine is doing in this movie. Give Wolverine a rest. He is over marketed already.
 
2013-12-31 12:20:06 PM

soporific: yves0010: I knew what you meant. But they have a work around ready and set for use as a just in case they really want to force X3 into the cannon of Days of Future Past. And I am not really happy with the new movie. Its going to be another Wolverine and some other mutants movie. Wish they just sent Kitty back in time like they did in the comics.

I would love it if somehow Days of Future Past erased X3 from the canon. It's a time travel movie, so why not change that entirely? Most of us will be perfectly happy for the official canon to match what we already feel about that movie anyway.

As for using Kitty over Wolverine, what are you nuts? This movie is not only a sequel to First Class, it's a chance for the original trilogy to redeem itself. You don't give a job like that to Kitty. You bring in the biggest gun you have, and that's Wolverine. This is one of those times when you DON'T want to stay true to the book. Next you'll probably complain that Wolverine isn't wearing yellow spandex.

coeyagi: What you believe and reality are two different things.

The Wolverine acknowledges Last Stand and leads into Days of Future Past.

And then Wolverine goes back in time to change history, meaning that in the new timeline, Last Stand never happened. You don't think a character haunted by the ghost of the woman he killed will try anything to change that event? The chance to change that history might be what finally convinces Logan to do it.



By that (lack of) logic, none of the X-Men movies (first 3) happened. Try again.
 
2013-12-31 12:34:20 PM

coeyagi: soporific: yves0010: I knew what you meant. But they have a work around ready and set for use as a just in case they really want to force X3 into the cannon of Days of Future Past. And I am not really happy with the new movie. Its going to be another Wolverine and some other mutants movie. Wish they just sent Kitty back in time like they did in the comics.

I would love it if somehow Days of Future Past erased X3 from the canon. It's a time travel movie, so why not change that entirely? Most of us will be perfectly happy for the official canon to match what we already feel about that movie anyway.

As for using Kitty over Wolverine, what are you nuts? This movie is not only a sequel to First Class, it's a chance for the original trilogy to redeem itself. You don't give a job like that to Kitty. You bring in the biggest gun you have, and that's Wolverine. This is one of those times when you DON'T want to stay true to the book. Next you'll probably complain that Wolverine isn't wearing yellow spandex.

coeyagi: What you believe and reality are two different things.

The Wolverine acknowledges Last Stand and leads into Days of Future Past.

And then Wolverine goes back in time to change history, meaning that in the new timeline, Last Stand never happened. You don't think a character haunted by the ghost of the woman he killed will try anything to change that event? The chance to change that history might be what finally convinces Logan to do it.


By that (lack of) logic, none of the X-Men movies (first 3) happened. Try again.


Actually, the events of the first 2 movies can still happen but in a different way but the events of the third can be stopped completely just by one little change. Train Jean to control the Phoenix and allow her access to her complete power.  Since the first two movies rely on outside forces and the X-Men are on the defensive. The third movie can be completely dropped just by allowing Jean to do what she did in the book version of X2, use her powers from inside the plane.
 
2013-12-31 12:45:04 PM
 
2013-12-31 12:47:49 PM
Whatever. Just so long as they keep their shiatty version of the X-Men and FF out of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, I'm fine. I do not want those shiatstain movies to be considered MCU canon.

That goes double for ANY of the Spider-Man movies. If they can't do it right, then I'd rather he simply not exist in the MCU.
 
2013-12-31 12:52:02 PM

puckrock2000: EdgeRunner:
I'm not feeling the hate for X3. Quality-wise, it's about on par with X1, and while it has more than its share of groaner dialogue, there's still nothing in it as risible as the infamous "You know what happens to a frog..?" line.

The problem wan't with the line; it was with Halle Berry's delivery of it.

Whedon: Okay, which was also mine, and that's the interesting thing. Everybody remembers that as the worst line ever written, but the thing about that is, it was supposed to be delivered as completely offhand. [Adopts casual, bored tone.] "You know what happens when a toad gets hit by lightning?" Then, after he gets electrocuted, "Ahhh, pretty much the same thing that happens to anything else." But Halle Berry said it like she was Desdemona. [Strident, ringing voice.] "The same thing that happens to everything eeelse!" That's the thing that makes you go crazy. At least "You're a dick" got delivered right.


Imagine Bruce Campbell delivering the line and suddenly it's much, much better. (Or better yet, Robert Downy Jr. as Ton Stark.)
 
2013-12-31 01:14:57 PM
I want a Tom Jane Punisher flick. No, a REAL Tom Jane Punisher flick. With blood, guts, and assholes everywhere. None of that sissy "torture a man with a freezer-pop" nonsense. And no Travolta Hair Plugs.
 
2013-12-31 01:23:37 PM

mooseyfate: I want a Tom Jane Punisher flick. No, a REAL Tom Jane Punisher flick. With blood, guts, and assholes everywhere. None of that sissy "torture a man with a freezer-pop" nonsense. And no Travolta Hair Plugs.


I so wish they had done The Russian correctly in that film.

/round two, big boy
 
2013-12-31 01:43:14 PM

puckrock2000: EdgeRunner:
I'm not feeling the hate for X3. Quality-wise, it's about on par with X1, and while it has more than its share of groaner dialogue, there's still nothing in it as risible as the infamous "You know what happens to a frog..?" line.

The problem wan't with the line; it was with Halle Berry's delivery of it.

Whedon: Okay, which was also mine, and that's the interesting thing. Everybody remembers that as the worst line ever written, but the thing about that is, it was supposed to be delivered as completely offhand. [Adopts casual, bored tone.] "You know what happens when a toad gets hit by lightning?" Then, after he gets electrocuted, "Ahhh, pretty much the same thing that happens to anything else." But Halle Berry said it like she was Desdemona. [Strident, ringing voice.] "The same thing that happens to everything eeelse!" That's the thing that makes you go crazy. At least "You're a dick" got delivered right.


So you mean giving an off-hand, sarcastic line to one of the most histiorically stoic X-Men didn't work? Sorry, I can't blame Berry for this one. Regardless of her ability, I think she was trying to play the character well, and Storm isn't usually the disaffected joker of the group. Whedon should have never written a line like that for that character.
 
2013-12-31 01:57:15 PM

Imperious Rex!: So you mean giving an off-hand, sarcastic line to one of the most histiorically stoic X-Men didn't work?


Stoics make good deadpan snarkers.
 
2013-12-31 02:08:33 PM

coeyagi: Milo Minderbinder: Wow, what a novel idea; a movie based on a comic book.

Here's an even better idea: how about movies for adults?

And do you think adults never went to see any of the X-men or FF movies?  Do you think they were coerced at gunpoint to see this films?  Or do you think those high grosses were all kids and teenagers?  HURRRR DERRRRR!

Would you like to retract your comment in shame or just end your own life in shame?

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I don't deny adults go to those movies. But adults also watch brightly colored cartoons about ponies.

Let's be honest; studios make these movies because there is a built-in base of ticket-buyers, regardless of the quality of the product. This stuff isn't Dr. Zhivago. Hell, it's not even Dr. Detroit.
 
2013-12-31 03:30:11 PM

bdub77: Well in all fairness, X1, X2, and First Class were all pretty good. I'd like to pretend X3 never happened.


I have never really understood the hate for how Fox has handled the X-men. I mean X-men basically paved the way for every other big event super hero movie.  And X-2 was as good if not better than just about anything that Marvel/Disney has done.

I will concede that the FF movies were terrible. X3 was pretty bad too. I watched part of it recently and the thing that bugs me is that it had a lot of potential. I mean the stuff with the cure and the evil mutants rising up was in interesting concept. The stuff with dark phoenix could have been interesting too. And of course the acting from people like Stewart, McKellen and even Kelsey Grammer was good. But the way everything was executed was so terrible. The dialog was really bad and it seemed like it was directed like a cheezy 80s action movie.
 
2013-12-31 03:43:27 PM
I can't think of anyone clamoring for such a movie to be made but if it does happen and bombs, I'm truly hoping this means that Marvel might finally be able to get control back of those and the Spider Man movie properties and integrate everything into one cohesive comic book movie universe.
 
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