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(CBS News)   Not to drone on about it, but some states will be able to legally spy on other states soon   (cbsnews.com) divider line 56
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2013-12-30 08:09:05 PM
Fine reporting:  New Jersey hosts the facility that will be the lead data collection site, and CBS doesn't even mention it.
 
2013-12-30 08:31:02 PM
Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.
 
2013-12-30 08:44:30 PM
♫  The eyes of Texas are upon you... ♫
 
2013-12-30 09:34:22 PM

brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.


Media isn't pushing this one, subs is.

BTW I really want one of those autonomous cars
 
2013-12-30 09:53:21 PM

cman: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

Media isn't pushing this one, subs is.

BTW I really want one of those autonomous cars


Why? The NSA will just use the dashcam to watch you masturbate on the interstates.
 
2013-12-30 10:06:47 PM
I'd be okay with this if I could trust the government and big business. Of course, I can't. All it takes is a bomb here or there in the US, and all of a sudden, every branch of the federal government is fine with drones spying on every damn American (if they aren't already).
 
2013-12-30 11:06:24 PM
This is good news for me in some way... just haven't figured out what yet.
 
2013-12-30 11:57:37 PM

cman: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

Media isn't pushing this one, subs is.

BTW I really want one of those autonomous cars


Me: okay, Autonomous Car, take me to work.

Autonomous Car: fark you buddy, we're going to the monster truck rally.
 
2013-12-31 12:07:16 AM
Giving drones greater access to U.S. skies moves the nation closer to "a surveillance society in which our every move is monitored, tracked, recorded and scrutinized by the authorities," the American Civil Liberties Union declared in a report last December.

because if an aircraft has a pilot physically in the machine, it's a-ok. but if the pilot is on the ground piloting the machine by remote, it's different. for, you know, "reasons".
 
2013-12-31 12:11:21 AM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: cman: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

Media isn't pushing this one, subs is.

BTW I really want one of those autonomous cars

Me: okay, Autonomous Car, take me to work.

Autonomous Car: fark you buddy, we're going to the monster truck rally.


don't sit there and act like you wouldn't want one, too

Think about it; you could be drinking while the car is in operation and you won't get charged with DUI
 
2013-12-31 01:32:43 AM
I don't see why this is a big deal. I understand the privacy big brother military state concerns. But if my state wanted to spy on New Mexico we could just drive over there too. Hell, I could climb up a hill and spy on Sonora with a telescope if I wanted to. We have a lot of drones here doing training while assisting the Portable Trolls. Somewhere in the depths of my gmail inbox I have photos my drone pilot friend took of my childhood home from at least 10 miles away. I don't really like drones in our skies but I'll be concerned when they put missiles on them.
 
2013-12-31 02:09:11 AM

violentsalvation: I don't see why this is a big deal.


because we're at a point in this country where everyone distrusts the government and big business, yet they swallow the hype and fear mongering from the media without a second thought.
 
2013-12-31 02:30:47 AM

brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.


Pssst. it's your government.... media is like 5 years behind reporting it. Yes just to scare you. BOO
 
2013-12-31 05:46:10 AM
Why would they want to use a drone to spy on other states? Just drive there. It's not like Wisconsin is Soviet Russia and you'd have to do it secretly.
 
2013-12-31 05:53:02 AM
I will confess that I have shown an interest in checking out certain areas of other states...

Like Texas...
bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com

and Florida...
cdn.coolkeywest.com

and South Carolina...
3.bp.blogspot.com

... just to name a few, but I maintain that this is vitally important information that I gather for the public to use.
 
2013-12-31 05:54:50 AM
Just keep your nose clean and it wont matter what the drones see anyway.

www.spiritualityandpractice.com
 
2013-12-31 06:02:09 AM

brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.


It's the intent that matters.  Driverless cars are targeted at people who need to get somewhere, but wouldn't mind passing control to a computerized system so they could sleep, work, or whatever.

Airplane drones are meant for spying.
 
2013-12-31 06:02:24 AM

LonMead: I will confess that I have shown an interest in checking out certain areas of other states...

Like Texas...
[bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 620x413]

and Florida...
[cdn.coolkeywest.com image 633x406]

and South Carolina...
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 720x540]

... just to name a few, but I maintain that this is vitally important information that I gather for the public to use.


As you've just proven, you already can. The pics are probably better and your taxes don't go up to pay for it. Besides, if politicians are in charge, don't be surprised when all you see are aerial pictures of Boy Scout camps
 
2013-12-31 06:04:38 AM
So much for the drones, there's no provision in my mortgage to allow it, nor my efforts to 'disable' or severely hamper productivity of said "drones' whether it be directly or indirectly. Been an RCer for coming up on 40 years, from the days ofbig futababs, to Nano servos and indoor flight. Upgrading my 2.4 Ghz fleet now, running brushless. Do not even presuppose to impinge on my rights,threatening action.
 
2013-12-31 06:21:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_dc45WkkpU#t=156
Link to my next project, mute if music is teh ghey.
 
2013-12-31 06:29:10 AM
Residential anti drone technology...new growth industry.
 
2013-12-31 06:29:51 AM
I doubt that the drone trials in the six chosen states will allow flights outside of designated areas within the test states, much less fly into other states.

If that was not true, they would be flying New York salsa to Texas.
 
2013-12-31 06:33:36 AM
Maybe they'll be able to automate everything so that no one will have a job.
 
2013-12-31 06:34:29 AM

JohnnyBravo: Residential anti drone technology...new growth industry.


www.imfdb.org

Careful with the china!
 
2013-12-31 06:37:14 AM

dryknife: I doubt that the drone trials in the six chosen states will allow flights outside of designated areas within the test states, much less fly into other states.

If that was not true, they would be flying New York salsa to Texas.


New York city? Get a rope.
 
2013-12-31 06:41:34 AM

dr_blasto: cman: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

Media isn't pushing this one, subs is.

BTW I really want one of those autonomous cars

Why? The NSA will just use the dashcam to watch you masturbate on the interstates.


I didn't think I was speeding on I-69, but the dashcam recorded me going lickety-split.
 
2013-12-31 06:46:48 AM
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2013-12-31 06:48:49 AM

log_jammin: Giving drones greater access to U.S. skies moves the nation closer to "a surveillance society in which our every move is monitored, tracked, recorded and scrutinized by the authorities," the American Civil Liberties Union declared in a report last December.

because if an aircraft has a pilot physically in the machine, it's a-ok. but if the pilot is on the ground piloting the machine by remote, it's different. for, you know, "reasons".


Reasons being it's less expensive and more likely to encourage surveillance.
 
2013-12-31 06:49:56 AM

dr_blasto: cman: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

Media isn't pushing this one, subs is.

BTW I really want one of those autonomous cars

Why? The NSA will just use the dashcam to watch you masturbate on the interstates.


Watching I don't mind.  Now when they start holding up scorecards like I'm ice skating at Sochi, that crosses the line.

//And FARK you, East German Judge. I have carpal tunnel.
 
2013-12-31 06:59:38 AM

OgreMagi: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

It's the intent that matters.  Driverless cars are targeted at people who need to get somewhere, but wouldn't mind passing control to a computerized system so they could sleep, work, or whatever.

Airplane drones are meant for spying.


Driverless cars also be used to improve traffic flow and safety (when they become advanced enough).

UAVs can be used for search and rescue, mapping flood or fire damage, agriculture and much more.  If you're wondering about agriculture think crop spraying.  Current crop dusting planes or helicopters dumps all over a field.  A UAV could be used to target specific areas of a crop.
 
2013-12-31 07:03:52 AM

Phil Moskowitz: Maybe they'll be able to automate everything so that no one will have a job.


That's my dream.
 
2013-12-31 07:07:01 AM
Guess PETA trolled Illinois this year:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/30/politics/new-year-laws/index.html?hpt= hp _t1


Illinois: passed two laws limiting the use of drones. One prohibits them from interfering with hunters and fisherman. The measure passed after the group People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals said it would use drones to monitor hunters. PETA said it aims through its "air angels" effort to protect against "cruel" and "illegal" hunting.
 
2013-12-31 07:23:24 AM
"These test sites will give us valuable information about how best to ensure the safe introduction of this advanced technology into our nation's skies," Transportation Secretary Anthony Foxx

Two thoughts:
There is no "safe" way to deploy unmanned spy drones into our nation's skies. These are aimed at US, sheeple!

Anthony Foxx must be related to Redd Foss 'cause this has to be a joke.
 
2013-12-31 07:47:26 AM

log_jammin: Giving drones greater access to U.S. skies moves the nation closer to "a surveillance society in which our every move is monitored, tracked, recorded and scrutinized by the authorities," the American Civil Liberties Union declared in a report last December.

because if an aircraft has a pilot physically in the machine, it's a-ok. but if the pilot is on the ground piloting the machine by remote, it's different. for, you know, "reasons".


Yeah,cause Achmed on the ground would never think to fly a drone into a commercial airliner...
 
2013-12-31 08:06:48 AM

abhorrent1: Why would they want to use a drone to spy on other states? Just drive there. It's not like Wisconsin is Soviet Russia and you'd have to do it secretly.


That's what I was thinking.
 
2013-12-31 08:11:32 AM
States keep an eye on each other, when needed, today with Planes,  Helicopters and Google Earth.   Who really cares if the next tool is a whirlygyrogigster.
 
2013-12-31 08:24:25 AM
Uh-oh, now North Carolina is going to find out that that South Carolina has been cheating on them with Florida and Georgia.
 
2013-12-31 08:31:25 AM

gfid: OgreMagi: brigid_fitch: Driverless cars:  WOOHOO!  Count me in!!!

Pilotless planes:  ZOMGBBQ, Privacy!  Drone bombings!  It's the end of the world!!

Freakin' media found a new way to scare people and now they're bludgeoning the hell out of all of us.

It's the intent that matters.  Driverless cars are targeted at people who need to get somewhere, but wouldn't mind passing control to a computerized system so they could sleep, work, or whatever.

Airplane drones are meant for spying.

Driverless cars also be used to improve traffic flow and safety (when they become advanced enough).

UAVs can be used for search and rescue, mapping flood or fire damage, agriculture and much more.  If you're wondering about agriculture think crop spraying.  Current crop dusting planes or helicopters dumps all over a field.  A UAV could be used to target specific areas of a crop.


Both good points.
I would imagine though, that the tech is not necessarily the problem. Those that control the tech are. Right now our country is run by a bunch of folks that have limited idea of what technology can do and what information they are getting is coming from CEO's who control the major companies. If we could get more tech and science minded folks into Government, and do away with lobbying, then we could start to move in the right direction.
 
2013-12-31 08:36:09 AM

pueblonative: Reasons being it's less expensive and more likely to encourage surveillance.


so "cheaper" = "encourage surveillance"

ok...
 
2013-12-31 08:43:19 AM
Really not looking forward to my driverless sedan going all BSOD on the freeway.
 
2013-12-31 08:46:47 AM

log_jammin: pueblonative: Reasons being it's less expensive and more likely to encourage surveillance.

so "cheaper" = "encourage surveillance"

ok...


Yeah, if it's cheaper, law enforcement doesn't have to consider costs as much when running surveillance operations, especially if one man can control multiple drones at once.  That kinda encourages them to run those operations because they don't have to worry about the costs of hiring a pilot for each operation.
 
2013-12-31 08:47:08 AM

EngineerBob: Yeah,cause Achmed on the ground would never think to fly a drone into a commercial airliner...


what does this even mean?
 
2013-12-31 08:47:15 AM
I don't care, as long as I get my stuff from amazon faster. Bring on the drones.
 
2013-12-31 08:53:31 AM

pueblonative: law enforcement doesn't have to consider costs as much when running surveillance operations


compared to what exactly? what kind of " surveillance operations" are you talking about? what about paying the personal who will have to go through the hours and hours of recordings? areyou just talking about the costs of flying a drone, or are you including the costs to train personal, maintenance, equipment, etc..? are you saying we need to halt allresearch that might make technology cheaper, and wouldtherefore make it  "more likely to encourage surveillance"? where are you getting your numbers from?
 
2013-12-31 08:57:19 AM
Sigh.  Once again: small ones are loud and prone to failure.  Big ones have to file a flight plan with the FAA.  None of them are armed.  Stop worrying.
 
2013-12-31 09:06:00 AM

log_jammin: pueblonative: law enforcement doesn't have to consider costs as much when running surveillance operations

compared to what exactly? what kind of " surveillance operations" are you talking about? what about paying the personal who will have to go through the hours and hours of recordings? areyou just talking about the costs of flying a drone, or are you including the costs to train personal, maintenance, equipment, etc..? are you saying we need to halt allresearch that might make technology cheaper, and wouldtherefore make it  "more likely to encourage surveillance"? where are you getting your numbers from?


I"m talking about the costs of flying the drone itself, not the background work.  That's why the ACLU is concerned about it now, and that's why they're concerned about the NSA data mining.  The cost has fark all to do with it's constitutionality, but as the price of this technology drops, it's going to look more and more attractive to law enforcement (like data mining as the cost of storage goes down).  Yes, somebody still has to go through that surveillance, but you can't tell me that a cop or sheriff looking at the cost of a pilot vs a drone operator won't consider it a reason to perhaps expand surveilance.
 
2013-12-31 09:39:35 AM

pueblonative: I"m talking about the costs of flying the drone itself, not the background work.


making your entire point meaningless

pueblonative: but you can't tell me that a cop or sheriff looking at the cost of a pilot vs a drone operator won't consider it a reason to perhaps expand surveilance.


that of course assumes that the local county mounty is conducting surveillance ops to begin with.
 
2013-12-31 09:44:06 AM

PanicMan: Sigh.  Once again: small ones are loud and prone to failure.  Big ones have to file a flight plan with the FAA.  None of them are armed.  Stop worrying.


All I know is that my ~$1k UAV can easily fly at 1,500 feet, be modified for ~30 minute flight times, has a 12 megapixel live video/photo feed and is almost entirely imperceptible by sight or sound at that height.
 
2013-12-31 09:44:45 AM
Everything I do is under the pretense that someone is spying on me. Why else would I be juggling this canister of whip cream, three eggs, a child, and my phonendbfhhcmzmmzls..z.zm shiat.
 
2013-12-31 09:45:33 AM

log_jammin: that of course assumes that the local county mounty is conducting surveillance ops to begin with.


www.targetofopportunity.com

Like this guy?
 
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