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2013-12-30 07:58:23 PM
if you were using pot during working hours, then sure - fire someone for it.  But if it was off shift on their own time AND they were sober while on the clock then...hells no.
 
2013-12-30 08:07:33 PM
No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!
 
2013-12-30 08:10:08 PM

hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!


Golly.
 
2013-12-30 08:20:14 PM

Weaver95: if you were using pot during working hours, then sure - fire someone for it. But if it was off shift on their own time AND they were sober while on the clock then...hells no.


Tough shiat. If I can be fired from or turned down for a job because I smoke cigarettes, Colorado marijuana users can deal with it.

/though I think both scenarios are ridiculous
 
2013-12-30 08:27:28 PM
I am foreseeing a sudden deficit in employment in CO.  Then the employers will bemoan that they cannot find anyone to hire...

Idiots.
 
2013-12-30 08:29:10 PM

Weaver95: if you were using pot during working hours, then sure - fire someone for it.  But if it was off shift on their own time AND they were sober while on the clock then...hells no.


THIS.
 
2013-12-30 08:31:36 PM
If Colorado is an "at will" work state, then any employee can be fired anytime.
Unemployment benefits will then be paid by employer.
 
2013-12-30 08:31:46 PM
FTFA "I do think that will soon change," said Tvert. "I think private businesses are already becoming less and less interested in drug testing for marijuana. They don't want to fire qualified employees, and have to recruit, and rehire and retrain."

God I hope so, even in states where it isn't legal.
 
2013-12-30 08:34:07 PM
Sure. I can get up at dawn, go to a job I hate, that does not inspire me creatively whatsoever, for the rest of my farking life. Or I can wake up at noon and learn how to play the sitar!
 
2013-12-30 08:41:01 PM
I am from Colorado and my family still lives there.  My sister is a nurse, if she test positive she will get fired and could lose her licence, and will have to go before the state nursing board.  The big issue seems to be testing.   Most drugs (including alcohol) are only detectable in your system for a short time, THC is detectable for up to months later, with the hair tests.   This is even a big issues as cops have no way of knowing if you are driving high or not (most cops will assume you are).
 
2013-12-30 08:45:13 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: FTFA "I do think that will soon change," said Tvert. "I think private businesses are already becoming less and less interested in drug testing for marijuana. They don't want to fire qualified employees, and have to recruit, and rehire and retrain."

God I hope so, even in states where it isn't legal.


I have been with my new company since mid-September.  I am in Sales.  I have a pipeline, and am set to start closing within the next 1-2 months, we've got a 4-6 month sales cycle, longer for the new folks.  Add to that I went through 6 weeks of training.  At this point, my employment has cost my company at least $50,000, if not more.

My situation is not necessarily unique or special...yet I've seen it time and time again where some high horse riding Sr. manager has a giant "moral" stick up his ass and demands that someone be drug tested and an otherwise good, productive, and well trained employee (not a problematic employee) gets canned because Jesus or "drugs are bad, ummkayyy."

I have often wondered how much drug testing possible hires has been insisted upon by insurance policies that the employer holds.
 
2013-12-30 08:51:07 PM

Endive Wombat: I have often wondered how much drug testing possible hires has been insisted upon by insurance policies that the employer holds.


I think it is a big influence. The company I work for didn't have a post accident drug testing policy until I had been there for a few years. Every major manufacturing company in the area did and I assumed we did as well. When I was in production I cut my finger pretty bad while on the job and used super glue and bandages to fix it myself because I was afraid of going to the nurse to have it repaired properly and getting drug tested.
 
2013-12-30 08:55:53 PM

hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!


i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-12-30 08:58:07 PM
Thank goodness I work at a place where if they piss-tested us, there would be no staff.
 
2013-12-30 09:00:16 PM

fusillade762: hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 394x495]


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-30 09:07:32 PM
The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss
 
2013-12-30 09:08:36 PM

hardinparamedic: fusillade762: hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 394x495]

[img.fark.net image 500x703]


cdn.cannabisclubber.com
 
2013-12-30 09:10:59 PM

SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss


I am all for drug policy enforcement when it comes to working with any kind of machinery...shiat's dangerous yo!  But drug testing a waiter, a computer programmer, sales person, project manager, etc. seems unnecessary to me.
 
2013-12-30 09:11:24 PM

SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss


The CO statues regulate weed as if it were alcohol.  I have a suspicion that eventually this will result in the legal argument being made that if off-hours drinking isn't causing a problem on the job, neither should off-hours weed smoking.

/someone *should* get sued for smoking pot on the job that led to an accident, just like drinking
 
2013-12-30 09:16:09 PM

violentsalvation: hardinparamedic: fusillade762: hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!

[i2.kym-cdn.com image 394x495]

[img.fark.net image 500x703]

[cdn.cannabisclubber.com image 500x516]


i4.ytimg.com
 
2013-12-30 09:18:11 PM
I'm think we're 3 good lawsuitings away from common sense breaking out.
 
2013-12-30 09:18:23 PM
i wish they would piss test politicians, judges, and welfare recipients
 
2013-12-30 09:19:01 PM

hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!


www.lolroflmao.com
 
2013-12-30 09:20:04 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss

The CO statues regulate weed as if it were alcohol.  I have a suspicion that eventually this will result in the legal argument being made that if off-hours drinking isn't causing a problem on the job, neither should off-hours weed smoking.

/someone *should* get sued for smoking pot on the job that led to an accident, just like drinking


People absolutely do get fired for off-hours drinking.
 
2013-12-30 09:20:09 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss

The CO statues regulate weed as if it were alcohol.  I have a suspicion that eventually this will result in the legal argument being made that if off-hours drinking isn't causing a problem on the job, neither should off-hours weed smoking.

/someone *should* get sued for smoking pot on the job that led to an accident, just like drinking


Companies like Scotts are testing for nicotine, so I don't think the courts will offer relief. I'm hopeful that the free market will
 
2013-12-30 09:22:23 PM

Thudfark: I'm think we're 3 good lawsuitings away from common sense breaking out.


...well...humor the class and expound on this statement.  What exactly do you mean by "common sense breaking out?"
 
2013-12-30 09:22:38 PM
Word yo.  There ain't no reason to get all weeded up on the pot.  Get chillin with the most natural buzz - get high on life.
 
2013-12-30 09:24:09 PM
It doesn't matter how "legal" it gets, cops are still going to harass you just on general principle of them being cops and you being a stoner.
 
2013-12-30 09:26:44 PM

Weaver95: if you were using pot during working hours, then sure - fire someone for it.  But if it was off shift on their own time AND they were sober while on the clock then...hells no.


Colorado is an "at will" state.  You can be fired because your aura clashes with the office decor.
 
2013-12-30 09:28:47 PM

hardinparamedic: No Sir. not even one.

My friends second cousin twice removed on her moms side died after a marijuana binge.

You sheeple need to go to DARE and watch the true story Reefer Madness. Wake up!!


Damn those weed needles!
/Weed needles,not even once.
 
2013-12-30 09:29:22 PM

meanmutton: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss

The CO statues regulate weed as if it were alcohol.  I have a suspicion that eventually this will result in the legal argument being made that if off-hours drinking isn't causing a problem on the job, neither should off-hours weed smoking.

/someone *should* get sued for smoking pot on the job that led to an accident, just like drinking

People absolutely do get fired for off-hours drinking.


If it degrades on-hours productivity due to chronically being late, hangovers, DUI leading to not being able to operate a company vehicle, etc.

Not for simply having a few drinks here and there and having alcohol metabolites show up in a (not for cause) piss test.
 
2013-12-30 09:31:33 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The CO statues regulate weed as if it were alcohol.  I have a suspicion that eventually this will result in the legal argument being made that if off-hours drinking isn't causing a problem on the job, neither should off-hours weed smoking.

/someone *should* get sued for smoking pot on the job that led to an accident, just like drinking


This.

Probably what will happen is someone needs to purposely set up a case and fire a guy for drinking on the weekend (not drunk on the job) and fire someone for taking prescription medication (pain meds, or anti-seizure meds, whatever) and let it go to the courts.

Thudfark: I'm think we're 3 good lawsuitings away from common sense breaking out.


Pretty much. A few well placed suits would at least bring up the discrepancy between alcohol and pot, prescription drugs and pot.  Particularly the latter, surely they'd get in trouble with the ADA or something like that? Dunno.
 
2013-12-30 09:32:08 PM

Endive Wombat: I am foreseeing a sudden deficit in employment in CO.  Then the employers will bemoan that they cannot find anyone to hire...

Idiots.


The USGS, the Air Force, the BLM, Lockheed Martin, Ball Aerospace, etc. are probably already required by the federal government to test for drugs and fire users.  Then there are the various transportation providers based in Colorado, that I can only hope are testing for THC in the bloodstream.
 
2013-12-30 09:32:14 PM

studebaker hoch: It doesn't matter how "legal" it gets, cops are still going to harass you just on general principle of them being cops and you being a stoner. little person.


You know the score, pal. You're not cop, you're little people!
 
2013-12-30 09:34:35 PM

Cytokine Storm: Word yo.  There ain't no reason to get all weeded up on the pot.  Get chillin with the most natural buzz - get high on life.


But Miller sucks
 
2013-12-30 09:35:01 PM

Cytokine Storm: Word yo.  There ain't no reason to get all weeded up on the pot.  Get chillin with the most natural buzz - get high on life.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-30 09:35:16 PM

Kristoph57: studebaker hoch: It doesn't matter how "legal" it gets, cops are still going to harass you just on general principle of them being cops and you being a stoner. little person.

You know the score, pal. You're not cop, you're little people!


And, therefore, are dirty stoner hippies. If you're not a cop, you're a dirty stoner hippie.
 
2013-12-30 09:35:55 PM

Endive Wombat: Thudfark: I'm think we're 3 good lawsuitings away from common sense breaking out.

...well...humor the class and expound on this statement.  What exactly do you mean by "common sense breaking out?"


itazurakko pretty much summed it up. I'm sure there are plenty of groups who would pony up to defend workers who get canned. Do it a few times and companies will slowly realize it's not worth the legal hassle and cost.
 
2013-12-30 09:37:08 PM

tobcc: I am from Colorado and my family still lives there.  My sister is a nurse, if she test positive she will get fired and could lose her licence, and will have to go before the state nursing board.  The big issue seems to be testing.   Most drugs (including alcohol) are only detectable in your system for a short time, THC is detectable for up to months later, with the hair tests.   This is even a big issues as cops have no way of knowing if you are driving high or not (most cops will assume you are).


I knew a guy who would smoke crack, but not pot because of the length of time it is detectable.

As I understand it ,Colorado actually is going to test suspected stoned drivers blood for actual THC, not piss test for metabolites.  The limit is 5ng/ml, which is apparently not a whole lot and I've heard reports that it can still be that high (no pun intended) after a good 8 hours sleep if you got stoned the night before.
 
2013-12-30 09:37:59 PM

Thingster: meanmutton: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss

The CO statues regulate weed as if it were alcohol.  I have a suspicion that eventually this will result in the legal argument being made that if off-hours drinking isn't causing a problem on the job, neither should off-hours weed smoking.

/someone *should* get sued for smoking pot on the job that led to an accident, just like drinking

People absolutely do get fired for off-hours drinking.

If it degrades on-hours productivity due to chronically being late, hangovers, DUI leading to not being able to operate a company vehicle, etc.

Not for simply having a few drinks here and there and having alcohol metabolites show up in a (not for cause) piss test.


Bingo.
 
2013-12-30 09:38:45 PM

Endive Wombat: SauronWasFramed: The first time a worker is injured because somebody was stoned, you can bet employers will strictly enforce their drug policies.

/it's the lawyers fault....blame them, not your boss

I am all for drug policy enforcement when it comes to working with any kind of machinery...shiat's dangerous yo!  But drug testing a waiter, a computer programmer, sales person, project manager, etc. seems unnecessary to me.



You'll be singing another tune when a store clerk eats an entire Dorito display. NOT A VICTIMLESS CRIME NOW, IS IT?
 
2013-12-30 09:40:20 PM

Pokey.Clyde: Weaver95: if you were using pot during working hours, then sure - fire someone for it. But if it was off shift on their own time AND they were sober while on the clock then...hells no.

Tough shiat. If I can be fired from or turned down for a job because I smoke cigarettes, Colorado marijuana users can deal with it.

/though I think both scenarios are ridiculous


Why? Smokers are among the most unproductive employes I've ever worked with because of all the long breaks they take. Add to that all the work they miss because they're so susceptible to respiratory illnesses and I totally understand why they are shunned. Sorry, but that's just reality.
 
2013-12-30 09:40:51 PM

flondrix: Weaver95: if you were using pot during working hours, then sure - fire someone for it.  But if it was off shift on their own time AND they were sober while on the clock then...hells no.

Colorado is an "at will" state.  You can be fired because your aura clashes with the office decor.



Luckily, my aura smiles and never frowns.
 
2013-12-30 09:41:15 PM
About 25 years ago, the company I worked for sideways transferred, promoted, or demoted all four male IT managers in our division, and replaced them with women.  About a month later one of the new managers made a crack about how we needed to start drug testing our employees.  One who had been a manager for years said "No, because we don't want to have to fire half of our people".  That was the end of that conversation.

Unless you're working government contracts where it is required, or operating heavy machinery, you're a retard if you even think of testing your employees for marijuana.
 
2013-12-30 09:41:56 PM
Thanks for the Public Service Announcement....motherfarkers.

I just love how the pants-wetters just have to keep reminding us that "Well, it's STILL ILLEGAL (in location x)!!!"

Get over yourselves, the war is over, and you LOST.  So Sorry.
 
2013-12-30 09:42:37 PM

flondrix: The USGS, the Air Force, the BLM, Lockheed Martin, Ball Aerospace, etc. are probably already required by the federal government to test for drugs and fire users.


And they'll still run out of people. I've met engineers. You're not getting sober engineers when pot's available at the convenience store.
 
2013-12-30 09:42:53 PM
Too bad, so sad. Insurance companies make policy.
 
2013-12-30 09:43:56 PM
Well that just leaves more time for...
 
2013-12-30 09:45:52 PM
You can also be tested for and fired for tobacco use if the employer so chooses. It's only fair.
 
2013-12-30 09:47:46 PM

tobcc: I am from Colorado and my family still lives there.  My sister is a nurse, if she test positive she will get fired and could lose her licence, and will have to go before the state nursing board.  The big issue seems to be testing.   Most drugs (including alcohol) are only detectable in your system for a short time, THC is detectable for up to months later, with the hair tests.   This is even a big issues as cops have no way of knowing if you are driving high or not (most cops will assume you are).


Close, but no. THC tests positive in urine for a month, hair can go for 6 months.

/Why yes, I do live in Boulder.
 
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