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(Dayton Daily News)   Tourist stabbed to death in Puerto Rico. The really scary part? Puerto Rico is on track to have 900 homicides this year, out of a population of less than 4 million. The really, really scary part? That's down 10% from last year   (daytondailynews.com) divider line 118
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2013-12-30 11:53:36 PM  

LawrencePerson: So, about twice as bad as Chicago.

Did they declare Puerto Rico a Gun free Zone?



Considering the murder rate, it's probably a free gun zone.
 
2013-12-30 11:56:52 PM  
dupontplaza.files.wordpress.com
Interestingly, this happened nearly 27 years to the day of the Dupont Plaza Hotel arson, which also targeted tourists in Puerto Rico...
 
2013-12-31 12:03:37 AM  

Marine1: Bumblefark: CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.

True, but PR is an island, not just a city. Better comparison is San Juan, where most of murders are taking place. Figures I'm seeing put Detroit at 48, and San Juan at 53. So, pretty comparable.

How big of an island?


Roughly the size of Puerto Rico.

/approximately
 
2013-12-31 12:06:04 AM  
Wife and I spent a few weeks in Rincon about 10 years ago.  It was really like no other place I'd ever been.  Some weird NY/ NJ expats (terminology?) ran the town until about 10.  The other half were natives who operated overnight.  I drank some really weird apple moonshine and watched a cockfight.  People were friendly, but definitely 3rd-world poor.
 
2013-12-31 12:06:30 AM  
That's why we need to keep them damn foreigners out of the USA!!
 
2013-12-31 12:10:00 AM  
i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.
 
2013-12-31 12:13:45 AM  

SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.


Someone could just draw a sad face in dirt with a stick. That should make sense to them
 
2013-12-31 12:13:47 AM  

johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.


An asterisk *
 
2013-12-31 12:18:32 AM  

W.C.fields forever: johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.

An asterisk *


upload.wikimedia.org

Courtesy of Wikipedia
 
2013-12-31 12:20:08 AM  

El Morro: Puerto Rico CAN be dangerous, if you choose to ignore a few basic rules:

1) Unless you're with someone from the island or in a group, don't just go wandering around like some lost puppy.  Especially if you don't speak Spanish.  That's just stupid.
2) If someone tries to pull the old, "Pardon me, sir?  Can you please help me with [insert XYZ sad story here]?" and you can't immediately tell if it's legit (gunshot wound, carrying an unconcious person, holding their own bloody limbs and seeing the still dripping machinery that took them off), just say, "lo siento, no puedo ayudarle" and get the f*ck out of there.
3) Don't buy drugs from anyone down there.  Just don't do it.  They'll try and make the transaction happen in some dark little area, where "coincidentally" there may be a few unseemly looking fellows who will respectfully ask for your money.  And if you say no, they'll ask again... considerably less respectfully.
4) Lock everything up tight at night.  DUH.
5) If it's late at night and you want to stroll around, stick to the main road on Isla Verde, or the busy, touristy areas of Viejo San Juan.  If you must "explore", do so in the daytime.
6) Apparently, red lights serve only as a suggestion when it gets really late.  At least that's how it seems when I drive there.

Aside from the above, PR is an awesome island and a great vacation.  Cool people, beautiful people, delicious food, and just a very nice vibe overall.  Its super cheap to fly there now, and you can easily spend a few days just lounging on the beach during the day and gambling/dancing in the casinos at night.  I love it.


#3 is pretty much the key. Even in the worst areas of San Juan, you're probably going to be OK as long as you give wide berth to anything even remotely associated with the drug scene, which is where the gangs are. Those kids don't fark around, and the cops are so laughably inept, don't expect any assistance if you get yourself in trouble.

/married a girl from SJ; I've lived there off and on over the years...
 
2013-12-31 12:21:15 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?
 
2013-12-31 12:24:40 AM  

cepson: W.C.fields forever: johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.

An asterisk *

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x168]

Courtesy of Wikipedia


I knew what I was doing.

/to a good year.
 
2013-12-31 12:27:04 AM  
Had a chance two years ago to transfer down there for work. I remember making a stop there on the way back from a deployment when I was in the Marines and loved it.  Once I started reading the intel reports and what have you about what has been going on down there my excitement about it all changed. Was still excited but more so about my line of work aspect and not the yummy pork and crystal waters to dive in since it was being recommended at the time not to travel about too much if you looked like an outsider. Sadly the slot was taken by someone more senior then I and who was from there and connected with the higher ups that promoted there and never left.
 
2013-12-31 12:43:04 AM  
Crime so high even the Puercos don't go there on a dare.
 
2013-12-31 12:46:44 AM  
Another funny tidbit was that while I was in the Marines I served with this little Puerto Rican guy who up until he joined the Marines had never been off the island. I was with him during most of my first enlistment and it was non stop talk about how everything was better on his island and would point out everything wrong with America and our meddling ways on his island. I went to another unit but ran into that little guy a few years later at a reunion someone from my first unit put together on their farm in Pennsylvania and lo and behold who was there, the little Puerto Rican dude. He said after he got out he went back down there for a year and realized he liked it better in America over his island that as he put it, starting to crumble.
 
2013-12-31 12:47:06 AM  

wxboy: Still better than Detroit.


Sadly, yuuuuup!
 
2013-12-31 12:50:24 AM  

cepson: W.C.fields forever: johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.

An asterisk *

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x168]

Courtesy of Wikipedia


*sigh*

You know what, that's just not gonna work. 50 is a good number. Nice and round, like the buttocks of a thong-clad 23-year-old bikini model on the beaches of Puerto Rico. We're gonna have to drop a state to make it work. 

I nominate Kansas.
 
2013-12-31 12:56:06 AM  
I've lived all my life in the New York City area.  There over a million Puerto Ricans in the NYC area....to my great misfortune.  Hands down the they are the most despicable group of people I've ever come into contact with.
 
2013-12-31 12:58:14 AM  
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2013-12-31 01:02:22 AM  
My Puerto Rican friend, a girl, has said she will withhold judgement on this case until it becomes clear whether the tourist victim "had it coming or not". I guess I can agree with that.

Flint, MI had 27 violent (as opposed to property) crimes per 1000 residents in 2012, I see.
 
2013-12-31 01:02:26 AM  
At 1000 a year being murdered it will take 4000 years for them to kill off eachother.
 
2013-12-31 01:05:58 AM  
So apparently there's more Puerto Ricans in my town than in Puerto Rico.

Seems like it anyhow.
 
2013-12-31 01:17:58 AM  

vinniethepoo: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?


For about 10 weeks in 2009 - 3.5 years before the referendum.

I do agree with the White House's current position that a new election with a straight up-or-down Statehood vote would be a better determiner of the political will of Puerto Ricans - the election as it was worded leaves a lot of room for ambiguity.
 
2013-12-31 01:22:16 AM  

vinniethepoo: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?


You seem to forget 2008-2010 where Democrats controlled all 3 branches.  Not that long ago.
 
2013-12-31 01:22:58 AM  

Daedalus27: vinniethepoo: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?

You seem to forget 2008-2010 where Democrats controlled all 3 branches.  Not that long ago.



By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.
 
2013-12-31 01:27:55 AM  

Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.


You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.
 
2013-12-31 02:03:25 AM  
In before someone compares Puerto Rico to Chi....

LawrencePerson: So, about twice as bad as Chicago.


Adolf Oliver Nipples: it's not like Chicago where they can try to blame all of the surrounding regions for their violence problems


Damn.
 
2013-12-31 02:06:16 AM  
Every exterior window and door on the island is behind bars - even the ones in the backyards.

The food and women are tremendous.
 
2013-12-31 02:09:11 AM  
I got stabbed to death once. It sucked.
 
2013-12-31 02:30:10 AM  

SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.


As a native West Virginian, thank-you! (don't live there anymore, obviously.)
 
2013-12-31 02:31:37 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Actually, they voted to become a state last time around. The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states. (Territories get special minimum wage laws) An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate. Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


Actually, what happened was that there was a dual plebiscite.  The first asked whether voters supported or rejected continued commonwealth status.  54% of voters rejected commonwealth status.  The second plebiscite asked whether they supported statehood.  24% of ballots were left blank in protest, and 61% of the remaining votes supported statehood.  Neither plebiscite was binding and the official position of the Democratic Party is:

As President Obama said when he became the first President to visit Puerto Rico and address its people in 50 years, Boricuas every day help write the American story. Puerto Ricans have been proud American citizens for almost 100 years. During that time, the people of Puerto Rico have developed strong political, economic, social, and cultural ties to the United States. The political status of Puerto Rico remains an issue of overwhelming importance, but lack of resolution about status has held the island back. It is time for Puerto Rico to take the next step in the history of its status and its relationship to the rest of the United States.
The White House Task Force Report on Puerto Rico has taken important and historic steps regarding status. We commit to moving resolution of the status issue forward with the goal of resolving it expeditiously. If local efforts in Puerto Rico to resolve the status issue do not provide a clear result in the short term, the President should support, and Congress should enact, self-executing legislation that specifies in advance for the people of Puerto Rico a set of clear status options, such as those recommended in the White House Task Force Report on Puerto Rico, which the United States is politically committed to fulfilling.
The economic success of Puerto Rico is intimately linked to a swift resolution of the status question, as well as consistent, focused efforts on improving the lives of the people of Puerto Rico. We have made great progress for Puerto Rico over the past four years, including a sharp, historic increase in Medicaid funding for the people of Puerto Rico and fair and equitable inclusion in the Recovery Act and the Affordable Care Act. Going forward, we will continue working toward fair and equitable participation for Puerto Rico in federal programs. We support increased efforts by the federal government to improve public safety in Puerto Rico and the United States Virgin Islands, with a particular emphasis on efforts to combat drug trafficking and crime throughout our Caribbean border. In addition, consistent with the task force report, we will continue to work on improving Puerto Rico's economic status by promoting job creation, education, health care, clean energy, and economic development on the Island.


While the GOP officially endorses statehood, there is no way they will ever allow statehood for Puerto Rico, Washington DC or any other entity that might have the audacity to elect Democrats.
 
2013-12-31 02:40:39 AM  

pushcart: I spent a few weeks in SJ and Caguas this year. The people I met were friendly and hard-working. Lots of poor people though. Crumbling infrastructure too. It's a sad situation.


But were they singing the blues?

/Caribbean
//1964-1968
///1975
 
2013-12-31 03:24:28 AM  

12349876: Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.

You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.



I thought Harry Reid could wave his magic wand and do away with that.... In any case you could get the Senate to 60 by buying off enough moderate and weak Republicans.   How? Go like the old free/slave state entry of old by admitting 4 states, two primarily democratic controlled, and two primarily republican controlled. That way neither party is disadvantaged by extra Senate seats so they are more likely to go along with the changes.

Here is how.  You admit Washington DC and Puerto Rico which would lean fairly Democratic and remove this absurd subsidies and lack of representation for millions of US citizens. Next,you break up California (and steal some of southern Oregon) into 3 states.  The top 1/3rd of California and some of southern Oregon become the State of Jefferson.  Then you divide California into Coastal California with the Bay Area, maybe the Sacramento area and then the coastal counties down to LA county into one state.  Inland from the San Joaquin  valley and Sierra Nevada mountains down through San Bernardino, Riverside, with Orange and San Diego counties form Eastern California.  California population is cut into more equal parts better reflecting their nature and the Jefferson and Eastern California would tend to lean Republican balancing out the additions of DC and PR.

This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance.  The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world.  New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state.   Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.
 
2013-12-31 04:39:31 AM  
I really wanted to make the MST3K reference but I appear to be about 79 posts too late.

Poopie.
 
2013-12-31 05:49:41 AM  

Daedalus27: 12349876: Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.

You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.


I thought Harry Reid could wave his magic wand and do away with that.... In any case you could get the Senate to 60 by buying off enough moderate and weak Republicans.   How? Go like the old free/slave state entry of old by admitting 4 states, two primarily democratic controlled, and two primarily republican controlled. That way neither party is disadvantaged by extra Senate seats so they are more likely to go along with the changes.



He could have.  Four times in the last 12 months.  He chose not to because...

November 28, 2012 -  Harry Reid Called Filibuster Reform He Now Supports 'Illegal' and 'Un-American'
January 24, 2013 -  'I'm not personally, at this stage, ready to get rid of the 60-vote threshold'
July 16, 2013 -Filibuster Reform Fizzles Again
November 21, 2013 -  Reid Goes "Not Nuclear Enough" on Filibuster, say Progressives

Reid is an idiot and the Democrats are just as big of hypocrites as the Republicans are.  Both sides are just as bad and this whole argument will be reversed when the balance of power shifts again.
 
DB
2013-12-31 06:16:55 AM  

gnadfly: Every exterior window and door on the island is behind bars - even the ones in the backyards.



That's to protect widows from storm damage. It is a tropical island after all.
 
DB
2013-12-31 06:18:02 AM  
uh, windows.
 
2013-12-31 06:43:18 AM  
Even the NAVY was smart enough to cut ties with Puerto Rico..
 
2013-12-31 07:27:11 AM  

jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day


Over in 1.   Buh-bye.   I doubt very much the Commies are going to take over anymore, we don't need it.  Of course, it just means that the Chinese will step in and buy the place, but we've already sold the rest of the country to them, what's 1 insignificant shiatty island?
 
2013-12-31 07:42:13 AM  
Have you heard them speak Spanish? If I sounded like that I would get pretty stabby.

Using the word "Coqui" to describe anything other that a frog, or"Boriqua" in ANY unironic capacity should get you sent to gitmo.
 
2013-12-31 07:49:02 AM  

BetterMetalSnake: Have you heard them speak Spanish? If I sounded like that I would get pretty stabby.

Using the word "Coqui" to describe anything other that a frog, or"Boriqua" in ANY unironic capacity should get you sent to gitmo.


They don't speak Spanish.
They call it EEEEE-Spanish.
 
2013-12-31 08:03:12 AM  

AbiNormal: Want to have fun? Call a Peurto Rican a filthy Mexican.

/Make sure you got your running shoes on.


Yeah they do enjoy believing that they are superior to Mexicans ,
 
2013-12-31 08:17:46 AM  

Daedalus27: 12349876: Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.

You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.


I thought Harry Reid could wave his magic wand and do away with that.... In any case you could get the Senate to 60 by buying off enough moderate and weak Republicans.   How? Go like the old free/slave state entry of old by admitting 4 states, two primarily democratic controlled, and two primarily republican controlled. That way neither party is disadvantaged by extra Senate seats so they are more likely to go along with the changes.

Here is how.  You admit Washington DC and Puerto Rico which would lean fairly Democratic and remove this absurd subsidies and lack of representation for millions of US citizens. Next,you break up California (and steal some of southern Oregon) into 3 states.  The top 1/3rd of California and some of southern Oregon become the State of Jefferson.  Then you divide California into Coastal California with the Bay Area, maybe the Sacramento area and then the coastal counties down to LA county into one state.  Inland from the San Joaquin  valley and Sierra Nevada mountains down through San Bernardino, Riverside, with Orange and San Diego counties form Eastern California.  California population is cut into more equal parts better reflecting their nature and the Jefferson and Eastern California would tend to lean Republican balancing out the additions of DC and PR.

This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance.  The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world.  New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state.   Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.


Not sure how serious your are being, but it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution (article 4) to create new States out of territory within a current state.
 
2013-12-31 08:36:27 AM  

BSABSVR: SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.

Someone could just draw a sad face in dirt with a stick. That should make sense to them


I live about 15 minutes from WV.... I volunteer!
 
2013-12-31 08:38:04 AM  

RottenEggs: AbiNormal: Want to have fun? Call a Peurto Rican a filthy Mexican.

/Make sure you got your running shoes on.

Yeah they do enjoy believing that they are superior to Mexicans ,


===============

They are very chauvinistic in how they view themselves compared to other Hispanics.   Funny thing is that most of the Mexicans I know work their asses off, and most PRs don't.
 
2013-12-31 08:39:02 AM  
im gettting a kick
 
2013-12-31 08:55:33 AM  

lack of warmth: SithLord: lack of warmth: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

What a shame.  It would be nice to have them added to the list of states we ridicule and debate about a Puerto Rico tag.

Leaving PR a territory as opposed to including them as a state means that Detroit doesn't have any real competition in the murder rate stats.

Right, and Detroit could use a break.


Detroit is union.  They get plenty of breaks whether they work or not.
 
2013-12-31 09:15:57 AM  

El Morro: Puerto Rico CAN be dangerous, if you choose to ignore a few basic rules:

1) Unless you're with someone from the island or in a group, don't just go wandering around like some lost puppy.  Especially if you don't speak Spanish.  That's just stupid.
2) If someone tries to pull the old, "Pardon me, sir?  Can you please help me with [insert XYZ sad story here]?" and you can't immediately tell if it's legit (gunshot wound, carrying an unconcious person, holding their own bloody limbs and seeing the still dripping machinery that took them off), just say, "lo siento, no puedo ayudarle" and get the f*ck out of there.
3) Don't buy drugs from anyone down there.  Just don't do it.  They'll try and make the transaction happen in some dark little area, where "coincidentally" there may be a few unseemly looking fellows who will respectfully ask for your money.  And if you say no, they'll ask again... considerably less respectfully.
4) Lock everything up tight at night.  DUH.
5) If it's late at night and you want to stroll around, stick to the main road on Isla Verde, or the busy, touristy areas of Viejo San Juan.  If you must "explore", do so in the daytime.
6) Apparently, red lights serve only as a suggestion when it gets really late.  At least that's how it seems when I drive there.

Aside from the above, PR is an awesome island and a great vacation.  Cool people, beautiful people, delicious food, and just a very nice vibe overall.  Its super cheap to fly there now, and you can easily spend a few days just lounging on the beach during the day and gambling/dancing in the casinos at night.  I love it.


Due to the number of carjackings you only have to slow down at red lights past a certain time. Was in PR in May for work with a native Spanish speaker. Lots of police in the touristy area- wouldn't go anywhere else at night.

I'd rather go to Puerto Rico than the Bahamas, Dominican Republic, or Jamaica. The cool stuff to crime ratio is bad. Any area that is all all-inclusive resorts is a sign that the actual place you are visiting sucks.
 
2013-12-31 09:16:23 AM  

the_rhino: This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance. The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world. New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state. Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.

Not sure how serious your are being, but it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution (article 4) to create new States out of territory within a current state.


Keep reading.

"Without the consent of the legislature of the states involved."

How else do you explain Maine and Vermont?
 
2013-12-31 09:19:46 AM  
"It's like this every day in Puerto Rico!"
 
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