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(Dayton Daily News)   Tourist stabbed to death in Puerto Rico. The really scary part? Puerto Rico is on track to have 900 homicides this year, out of a population of less than 4 million. The really, really scary part? That's down 10% from last year   (daytondailynews.com) divider line 118
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2013-12-30 07:51:27 PM  
Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day
 
2013-12-30 09:12:18 PM  
Indian reservation level poverty.
 
2013-12-30 09:13:13 PM  
imagecache6.allposters.com

Wanted for questioning.
 
2013-12-30 09:28:41 PM  
Isn't the fact that it's down 10% a good thing?
 
2013-12-30 09:36:25 PM  
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2013-12-30 09:39:49 PM  
Puerto Ricans have no sense of humor.
tell one he is illiterate, he tells you he knows damn well who his parents are.
/Happened to me.

Tell one he's short, he introduces you to his shorter wife, then beats the crap out of you.

Tell him a joke, and he stabs you because he's...
* put on sunglasses*
Puerto Rican.

Not to be confused with porto ricin, the san fransisco instant death.
 
2013-12-30 10:04:47 PM  
So, it's like Atlanta with better food.
 
2013-12-30 10:13:30 PM  
They're killing gringos down there!  Let them kidnap one good-looking blond and Obama'll declare martial law and we go round up the usual suspects.
 
2013-12-30 10:35:50 PM  
Smoke on your pipe and put that in!
 
2013-12-30 10:36:01 PM  
I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.
 
2013-12-30 10:36:48 PM  

jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day


Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.
 
2013-12-30 10:38:06 PM  
Still better than Detroit.
 
2013-12-30 10:42:58 PM  

assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.


Like West Virginia?
 
2013-12-30 10:47:00 PM  
The Purge-A-Rico
 
2013-12-30 10:47:17 PM  

TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?


Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?
 
2013-12-30 10:49:16 PM  
I've been out and about with the locals at night in SJ. It's good to have an English speaking native to keep you out of the bad areas. Otherwise, had a blast. Great people.
 
2013-12-30 10:49:45 PM  

jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?


Why? Not like they could read it anyways.
 
2013-12-30 10:50:42 PM  
900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.
 
2013-12-30 10:51:20 PM  
Is that all?  That's one per 4444 people.  Baltimore had one per 2653, getting close to twice as much.  And they're going UP.

/glad I moved out of that hellhole
 
2013-12-30 10:53:42 PM  
Puerto Muerta Rico!
 
2013-12-30 10:54:58 PM  

Prey4reign: They're killing gringos down there!  Let them kidnap one good-looking blond and Obama'll declare martial law and we go round up the usual suspects.


[snarky] Why should they get martial law, like now in America?

/Next they'll want to become a state and get a decent minimum wage instead of shiat wages and 'ugly tourist' dollars
 
2013-12-30 10:55:48 PM  

vudukungfu: Puerto Ricans have no sense of humor.
tell one he is illiterate, he tells you he knows damn well who his parents are.
/Happened to me.

Tell one he's short, he introduces you to his shorter wife, then beats the crap out of you.

Tell him a joke, and he stabs you because he's...
* put on sunglasses*
Puerto Rican.

Not to be confused with porto ricin, the san fransisco instant death.


Hey..hey..hey.I am Puerto Rican/Sicilian.
Which makes me to lazy to kill you.
 
2013-12-30 10:56:27 PM  
I JUST returned from San Juan, PR, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

No, really, I am.  I ventured into the barrios.
 
2013-12-30 10:59:53 PM  
Damn. I'm guessing this place votes Democrat a lot.
 
2013-12-30 11:00:38 PM  
That's an amazing statistic given their gun control laws. What's more, it's not like Chicago where they can try to blame all of the surrounding regions for their violence problems, being an island and all.
 
2013-12-30 11:00:44 PM  

CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.


True, but PR is an island, not just a city. Better comparison is San Juan, where most of murders are taking place. Figures I'm seeing put Detroit at 48, and San Juan at 53. So, pretty comparable.
 
2013-12-30 11:01:14 PM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


What a shame.  It would be nice to have them added to the list of states we ridicule and debate about a Puerto Rico tag.
 
2013-12-30 11:02:37 PM  

wxboy: Still better than Detroit.


Its funny you say that. In April or May I'm moving to Puerto Rico from Detroit.
 
2013-12-30 11:03:57 PM  

lack of warmth: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

What a shame.  It would be nice to have them added to the list of states we ridicule and debate about a Puerto Rico tag.


Leaving PR a territory as opposed to including them as a state means that Detroit doesn't have any real competition in the murder rate stats.
 
2013-12-30 11:04:23 PM  

CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.


Think about what you're saying.
 
2013-12-30 11:06:39 PM  

baconbeard: CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.

Think about what you're saying.


Especially when you consider that the population of Detroit goes up by 50% during the day with commuters.  Detroit's statistic is exaggerated.
 
2013-12-30 11:08:24 PM  
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Be careful Yenny!
 
2013-12-30 11:11:06 PM  
The Carribean as a whole has a really high crime rate.  Dirty little secret.
 
2013-12-30 11:12:24 PM  
How much of this is drug-related?
 
2013-12-30 11:13:15 PM  
Want to have fun? Call a Peurto Rican a filthy Mexican.

/Make sure you got your running shoes on.
 
2013-12-30 11:16:56 PM  
Juarez/El Paso laugh!!! born and raised in the EPT....

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2013-12-30 11:17:01 PM  

wxboy: Still better than Detroit.


San Juan has a murder rate worse than Detroit's, better than New Orlean's.
 
2013-12-30 11:25:29 PM  
I spent a few weeks in SJ and Caguas this year. The people I met were friendly and hard-working. Lots of poor people though. Crumbling infrastructure too. It's a sad situation.
 
2013-12-30 11:25:31 PM  

SithLord: lack of warmth: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

What a shame.  It would be nice to have them added to the list of states we ridicule and debate about a Puerto Rico tag.

Leaving PR a territory as opposed to including them as a state means that Detroit doesn't have any real competition in the murder rate stats.


Right, and Detroit could use a break.
 
2013-12-30 11:26:21 PM  
Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red pasteThe Carribean as a whole has a really high crime rate.  Dirty little secret.
www.emphatic.com
"You best start believin' in Dateline NBC Real Crime Mysteries, Miss Holloway... you're in one!"
photos1.blogger.com
 
2013-12-30 11:26:45 PM  

vudukungfu: Not to be confused with porto ricin, the san fransisco instant death.


You're thinking of Rice-a-roni.
 
2013-12-30 11:27:36 PM  
What I don't get is how all the Mexicans got over to that island in the first place.
 
2013-12-30 11:31:50 PM  

Bumblefark: CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.

True, but PR is an island, not just a city. Better comparison is San Juan, where most of murders are taking place. Figures I'm seeing put Detroit at 48, and San Juan at 53. So, pretty comparable.


How big of an island?
 
2013-12-30 11:34:40 PM  
So, about twice as bad as Chicago.

Did they declare Puerto Rico a Gun free Zone?
 
2013-12-30 11:35:05 PM  
Considering the number of Puerto Ricans in New York, im shocked there is still 4 million left on the island.
 
2013-12-30 11:35:06 PM  

assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole US Territory is a shiatty place to live.


FTFY
 
2013-12-30 11:36:28 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What I don't get is how all the Mexicans got over to that island in the first place.


Well in 'merca they are all mexican..

/that and they all swim vast expanses of water easily

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2013-12-30 11:39:08 PM  
Puerto Rico CAN be dangerous, if you choose to ignore a few basic rules:

1) Unless you're with someone from the island or in a group, don't just go wandering around like some lost puppy.  Especially if you don't speak Spanish.  That's just stupid.
2) If someone tries to pull the old, "Pardon me, sir?  Can you please help me with [insert XYZ sad story here]?" and you can't immediately tell if it's legit (gunshot wound, carrying an unconcious person, holding their own bloody limbs and seeing the still dripping machinery that took them off), just say, "lo siento, no puedo ayudarle" and get the f*ck out of there.
3) Don't buy drugs from anyone down there.  Just don't do it.  They'll try and make the transaction happen in some dark little area, where "coincidentally" there may be a few unseemly looking fellows who will respectfully ask for your money.  And if you say no, they'll ask again... considerably less respectfully.
4) Lock everything up tight at night.  DUH.
5) If it's late at night and you want to stroll around, stick to the main road on Isla Verde, or the busy, touristy areas of Viejo San Juan.  If you must "explore", do so in the daytime.
6) Apparently, red lights serve only as a suggestion when it gets really late.  At least that's how it seems when I drive there.

Aside from the above, PR is an awesome island and a great vacation.  Cool people, beautiful people, delicious food, and just a very nice vibe overall.  Its super cheap to fly there now, and you can easily spend a few days just lounging on the beach during the day and gambling/dancing in the casinos at night.  I love it.
 
2013-12-30 11:49:31 PM  

El Morro: Puerto Rico CAN be Juarez is dangerous, if you choose to ignore a few basic rules:

1) Unless you're with someone from the island or in a group, don't just go wandering around like some lost puppy.  Especially if you don't speak Spanish.  That's just stupid.
2) If someone tries to pull the old, "Pardon me, sir?  Can you please help me with [insert XYZ sad story here]?" and you can't immediately tell if it's legit (gunshot wound, carrying an unconcious person, holding their own bloody limbs and seeing the still dripping machinery that took them off), just say, "lo siento, no puedo ayudarle" and get the f*ck out of there.
3) Don't buy drugs from anyone down there.  Just don't do it.  They'll try and make the transaction happen in some dark little area, where "coincidentally" there may be a few unseemly looking fellows who will respectfully ask for your money.  And if you say no, they'll ask again... considerably less respectfully.
4) Lock everything up tight at night.  DUH.
5) If it's late at night and you want to stroll around, stick to the main road on Isla Verde, or the busy, touristy areas of Viejo San Juan.  If you must "explore", do so in the daytime.
6) Apparently, red lights serve only as a suggestion when it gets really late.  At least that's how it seems when I drive there.

Aside from the above, PR is an awesome island and a great vacation.  Cool people, beautiful people, delicious food, and just a very nice vibe overall.  Its super cheap to fly there now, and you can easily spend a few days just lounging on the beach during the day and gambling/dancing in the casinos at night.  I love it.


/FTFM
 
2013-12-30 11:50:24 PM  
I had a conversation that spiraled around to why didn't we get Cuba and Puerto Rico onto a path towards statehood in the beginning, after the Spanish-American war. Islands full of brown Catholics and black people, the last thing WASP Americans wanted to make part of the country.
 
2013-12-30 11:53:36 PM  

LawrencePerson: So, about twice as bad as Chicago.

Did they declare Puerto Rico a Gun free Zone?



Considering the murder rate, it's probably a free gun zone.
 
2013-12-30 11:56:52 PM  
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Interestingly, this happened nearly 27 years to the day of the Dupont Plaza Hotel arson, which also targeted tourists in Puerto Rico...
 
2013-12-31 12:03:37 AM  

Marine1: Bumblefark: CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.

True, but PR is an island, not just a city. Better comparison is San Juan, where most of murders are taking place. Figures I'm seeing put Detroit at 48, and San Juan at 53. So, pretty comparable.

How big of an island?


Roughly the size of Puerto Rico.

/approximately
 
2013-12-31 12:06:04 AM  
Wife and I spent a few weeks in Rincon about 10 years ago.  It was really like no other place I'd ever been.  Some weird NY/ NJ expats (terminology?) ran the town until about 10.  The other half were natives who operated overnight.  I drank some really weird apple moonshine and watched a cockfight.  People were friendly, but definitely 3rd-world poor.
 
2013-12-31 12:06:30 AM  
That's why we need to keep them damn foreigners out of the USA!!
 
2013-12-31 12:10:00 AM  
i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.
 
2013-12-31 12:13:45 AM  

SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.


Someone could just draw a sad face in dirt with a stick. That should make sense to them
 
2013-12-31 12:13:47 AM  

johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.


An asterisk *
 
2013-12-31 12:18:32 AM  

W.C.fields forever: johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.

An asterisk *


upload.wikimedia.org

Courtesy of Wikipedia
 
2013-12-31 12:20:08 AM  

El Morro: Puerto Rico CAN be dangerous, if you choose to ignore a few basic rules:

1) Unless you're with someone from the island or in a group, don't just go wandering around like some lost puppy.  Especially if you don't speak Spanish.  That's just stupid.
2) If someone tries to pull the old, "Pardon me, sir?  Can you please help me with [insert XYZ sad story here]?" and you can't immediately tell if it's legit (gunshot wound, carrying an unconcious person, holding their own bloody limbs and seeing the still dripping machinery that took them off), just say, "lo siento, no puedo ayudarle" and get the f*ck out of there.
3) Don't buy drugs from anyone down there.  Just don't do it.  They'll try and make the transaction happen in some dark little area, where "coincidentally" there may be a few unseemly looking fellows who will respectfully ask for your money.  And if you say no, they'll ask again... considerably less respectfully.
4) Lock everything up tight at night.  DUH.
5) If it's late at night and you want to stroll around, stick to the main road on Isla Verde, or the busy, touristy areas of Viejo San Juan.  If you must "explore", do so in the daytime.
6) Apparently, red lights serve only as a suggestion when it gets really late.  At least that's how it seems when I drive there.

Aside from the above, PR is an awesome island and a great vacation.  Cool people, beautiful people, delicious food, and just a very nice vibe overall.  Its super cheap to fly there now, and you can easily spend a few days just lounging on the beach during the day and gambling/dancing in the casinos at night.  I love it.


#3 is pretty much the key. Even in the worst areas of San Juan, you're probably going to be OK as long as you give wide berth to anything even remotely associated with the drug scene, which is where the gangs are. Those kids don't fark around, and the cops are so laughably inept, don't expect any assistance if you get yourself in trouble.

/married a girl from SJ; I've lived there off and on over the years...
 
2013-12-31 12:21:15 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?
 
2013-12-31 12:24:40 AM  

cepson: W.C.fields forever: johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.

An asterisk *

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x168]

Courtesy of Wikipedia


I knew what I was doing.

/to a good year.
 
2013-12-31 12:27:04 AM  
Had a chance two years ago to transfer down there for work. I remember making a stop there on the way back from a deployment when I was in the Marines and loved it.  Once I started reading the intel reports and what have you about what has been going on down there my excitement about it all changed. Was still excited but more so about my line of work aspect and not the yummy pork and crystal waters to dive in since it was being recommended at the time not to travel about too much if you looked like an outsider. Sadly the slot was taken by someone more senior then I and who was from there and connected with the higher ups that promoted there and never left.
 
2013-12-31 12:43:04 AM  
Crime so high even the Puercos don't go there on a dare.
 
2013-12-31 12:46:44 AM  
Another funny tidbit was that while I was in the Marines I served with this little Puerto Rican guy who up until he joined the Marines had never been off the island. I was with him during most of my first enlistment and it was non stop talk about how everything was better on his island and would point out everything wrong with America and our meddling ways on his island. I went to another unit but ran into that little guy a few years later at a reunion someone from my first unit put together on their farm in Pennsylvania and lo and behold who was there, the little Puerto Rican dude. He said after he got out he went back down there for a year and realized he liked it better in America over his island that as he put it, starting to crumble.
 
2013-12-31 12:47:06 AM  

wxboy: Still better than Detroit.


Sadly, yuuuuup!
 
2013-12-31 12:50:24 AM  

cepson: W.C.fields forever: johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flag.  it works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.

An asterisk *

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x168]

Courtesy of Wikipedia


*sigh*

You know what, that's just not gonna work. 50 is a good number. Nice and round, like the buttocks of a thong-clad 23-year-old bikini model on the beaches of Puerto Rico. We're gonna have to drop a state to make it work. 

I nominate Kansas.
 
2013-12-31 12:56:06 AM  
I've lived all my life in the New York City area.  There over a million Puerto Ricans in the NYC area....to my great misfortune.  Hands down the they are the most despicable group of people I've ever come into contact with.
 
2013-12-31 12:58:14 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-31 01:02:22 AM  
My Puerto Rican friend, a girl, has said she will withhold judgement on this case until it becomes clear whether the tourist victim "had it coming or not". I guess I can agree with that.

Flint, MI had 27 violent (as opposed to property) crimes per 1000 residents in 2012, I see.
 
2013-12-31 01:02:26 AM  
At 1000 a year being murdered it will take 4000 years for them to kill off eachother.
 
2013-12-31 01:05:58 AM  
So apparently there's more Puerto Ricans in my town than in Puerto Rico.

Seems like it anyhow.
 
2013-12-31 01:17:58 AM  

vinniethepoo: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?


For about 10 weeks in 2009 - 3.5 years before the referendum.

I do agree with the White House's current position that a new election with a straight up-or-down Statehood vote would be a better determiner of the political will of Puerto Ricans - the election as it was worded leaves a lot of room for ambiguity.
 
2013-12-31 01:22:16 AM  

vinniethepoo: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?


You seem to forget 2008-2010 where Democrats controlled all 3 branches.  Not that long ago.
 
2013-12-31 01:22:58 AM  

Daedalus27: vinniethepoo: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

"Democrat controlled congress"? Really? When did the Dems take over the House and get a supermajority in the Senate? Was there a Night of the Long Knives scenario that I missed?

You seem to forget 2008-2010 where Democrats controlled all 3 branches.  Not that long ago.



By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.
 
2013-12-31 01:27:55 AM  

Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.


You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.
 
2013-12-31 02:03:25 AM  
In before someone compares Puerto Rico to Chi....

LawrencePerson: So, about twice as bad as Chicago.


Adolf Oliver Nipples: it's not like Chicago where they can try to blame all of the surrounding regions for their violence problems


Damn.
 
2013-12-31 02:06:16 AM  
Every exterior window and door on the island is behind bars - even the ones in the backyards.

The food and women are tremendous.
 
2013-12-31 02:09:11 AM  
I got stabbed to death once. It sucked.
 
2013-12-31 02:30:10 AM  

SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.


As a native West Virginian, thank-you! (don't live there anymore, obviously.)
 
2013-12-31 02:31:37 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: Actually, they voted to become a state last time around. The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states. (Territories get special minimum wage laws) An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate. Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


Actually, what happened was that there was a dual plebiscite.  The first asked whether voters supported or rejected continued commonwealth status.  54% of voters rejected commonwealth status.  The second plebiscite asked whether they supported statehood.  24% of ballots were left blank in protest, and 61% of the remaining votes supported statehood.  Neither plebiscite was binding and the official position of the Democratic Party is:

As President Obama said when he became the first President to visit Puerto Rico and address its people in 50 years, Boricuas every day help write the American story. Puerto Ricans have been proud American citizens for almost 100 years. During that time, the people of Puerto Rico have developed strong political, economic, social, and cultural ties to the United States. The political status of Puerto Rico remains an issue of overwhelming importance, but lack of resolution about status has held the island back. It is time for Puerto Rico to take the next step in the history of its status and its relationship to the rest of the United States.
The White House Task Force Report on Puerto Rico has taken important and historic steps regarding status. We commit to moving resolution of the status issue forward with the goal of resolving it expeditiously. If local efforts in Puerto Rico to resolve the status issue do not provide a clear result in the short term, the President should support, and Congress should enact, self-executing legislation that specifies in advance for the people of Puerto Rico a set of clear status options, such as those recommended in the White House Task Force Report on Puerto Rico, which the United States is politically committed to fulfilling.
The economic success of Puerto Rico is intimately linked to a swift resolution of the status question, as well as consistent, focused efforts on improving the lives of the people of Puerto Rico. We have made great progress for Puerto Rico over the past four years, including a sharp, historic increase in Medicaid funding for the people of Puerto Rico and fair and equitable inclusion in the Recovery Act and the Affordable Care Act. Going forward, we will continue working toward fair and equitable participation for Puerto Rico in federal programs. We support increased efforts by the federal government to improve public safety in Puerto Rico and the United States Virgin Islands, with a particular emphasis on efforts to combat drug trafficking and crime throughout our Caribbean border. In addition, consistent with the task force report, we will continue to work on improving Puerto Rico's economic status by promoting job creation, education, health care, clean energy, and economic development on the Island.


While the GOP officially endorses statehood, there is no way they will ever allow statehood for Puerto Rico, Washington DC or any other entity that might have the audacity to elect Democrats.
 
2013-12-31 02:40:39 AM  

pushcart: I spent a few weeks in SJ and Caguas this year. The people I met were friendly and hard-working. Lots of poor people though. Crumbling infrastructure too. It's a sad situation.


But were they singing the blues?

/Caribbean
//1964-1968
///1975
 
2013-12-31 03:24:28 AM  

12349876: Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.

You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.



I thought Harry Reid could wave his magic wand and do away with that.... In any case you could get the Senate to 60 by buying off enough moderate and weak Republicans.   How? Go like the old free/slave state entry of old by admitting 4 states, two primarily democratic controlled, and two primarily republican controlled. That way neither party is disadvantaged by extra Senate seats so they are more likely to go along with the changes.

Here is how.  You admit Washington DC and Puerto Rico which would lean fairly Democratic and remove this absurd subsidies and lack of representation for millions of US citizens. Next,you break up California (and steal some of southern Oregon) into 3 states.  The top 1/3rd of California and some of southern Oregon become the State of Jefferson.  Then you divide California into Coastal California with the Bay Area, maybe the Sacramento area and then the coastal counties down to LA county into one state.  Inland from the San Joaquin  valley and Sierra Nevada mountains down through San Bernardino, Riverside, with Orange and San Diego counties form Eastern California.  California population is cut into more equal parts better reflecting their nature and the Jefferson and Eastern California would tend to lean Republican balancing out the additions of DC and PR.

This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance.  The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world.  New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state.   Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.
 
2013-12-31 04:39:31 AM  
I really wanted to make the MST3K reference but I appear to be about 79 posts too late.

Poopie.
 
2013-12-31 05:49:41 AM  

Daedalus27: 12349876: Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.

You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.


I thought Harry Reid could wave his magic wand and do away with that.... In any case you could get the Senate to 60 by buying off enough moderate and weak Republicans.   How? Go like the old free/slave state entry of old by admitting 4 states, two primarily democratic controlled, and two primarily republican controlled. That way neither party is disadvantaged by extra Senate seats so they are more likely to go along with the changes.



He could have.  Four times in the last 12 months.  He chose not to because...

November 28, 2012 -  Harry Reid Called Filibuster Reform He Now Supports 'Illegal' and 'Un-American'
January 24, 2013 -  'I'm not personally, at this stage, ready to get rid of the 60-vote threshold'
July 16, 2013 -Filibuster Reform Fizzles Again
November 21, 2013 -  Reid Goes "Not Nuclear Enough" on Filibuster, say Progressives

Reid is an idiot and the Democrats are just as big of hypocrites as the Republicans are.  Both sides are just as bad and this whole argument will be reversed when the balance of power shifts again.
 
DB
2013-12-31 06:16:55 AM  

gnadfly: Every exterior window and door on the island is behind bars - even the ones in the backyards.



That's to protect widows from storm damage. It is a tropical island after all.
 
DB
2013-12-31 06:18:02 AM  
uh, windows.
 
2013-12-31 06:43:18 AM  
Even the NAVY was smart enough to cut ties with Puerto Rico..
 
2013-12-31 07:27:11 AM  

jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day


Over in 1.   Buh-bye.   I doubt very much the Commies are going to take over anymore, we don't need it.  Of course, it just means that the Chinese will step in and buy the place, but we've already sold the rest of the country to them, what's 1 insignificant shiatty island?
 
2013-12-31 07:42:13 AM  
Have you heard them speak Spanish? If I sounded like that I would get pretty stabby.

Using the word "Coqui" to describe anything other that a frog, or"Boriqua" in ANY unironic capacity should get you sent to gitmo.
 
2013-12-31 07:49:02 AM  

BetterMetalSnake: Have you heard them speak Spanish? If I sounded like that I would get pretty stabby.

Using the word "Coqui" to describe anything other that a frog, or"Boriqua" in ANY unironic capacity should get you sent to gitmo.


They don't speak Spanish.
They call it EEEEE-Spanish.
 
2013-12-31 08:03:12 AM  

AbiNormal: Want to have fun? Call a Peurto Rican a filthy Mexican.

/Make sure you got your running shoes on.


Yeah they do enjoy believing that they are superior to Mexicans ,
 
2013-12-31 08:17:46 AM  

Daedalus27: 12349876: Daedalus27: By 3 branches, I mean House, Senate, and Presidency which matters in these things.

You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.


I thought Harry Reid could wave his magic wand and do away with that.... In any case you could get the Senate to 60 by buying off enough moderate and weak Republicans.   How? Go like the old free/slave state entry of old by admitting 4 states, two primarily democratic controlled, and two primarily republican controlled. That way neither party is disadvantaged by extra Senate seats so they are more likely to go along with the changes.

Here is how.  You admit Washington DC and Puerto Rico which would lean fairly Democratic and remove this absurd subsidies and lack of representation for millions of US citizens. Next,you break up California (and steal some of southern Oregon) into 3 states.  The top 1/3rd of California and some of southern Oregon become the State of Jefferson.  Then you divide California into Coastal California with the Bay Area, maybe the Sacramento area and then the coastal counties down to LA county into one state.  Inland from the San Joaquin  valley and Sierra Nevada mountains down through San Bernardino, Riverside, with Orange and San Diego counties form Eastern California.  California population is cut into more equal parts better reflecting their nature and the Jefferson and Eastern California would tend to lean Republican balancing out the additions of DC and PR.

This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance.  The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world.  New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state.   Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.


Not sure how serious your are being, but it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution (article 4) to create new States out of territory within a current state.
 
2013-12-31 08:36:27 AM  

BSABSVR: SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.

Someone could just draw a sad face in dirt with a stick. That should make sense to them


I live about 15 minutes from WV.... I volunteer!
 
2013-12-31 08:38:04 AM  

RottenEggs: AbiNormal: Want to have fun? Call a Peurto Rican a filthy Mexican.

/Make sure you got your running shoes on.

Yeah they do enjoy believing that they are superior to Mexicans ,


===============

They are very chauvinistic in how they view themselves compared to other Hispanics.   Funny thing is that most of the Mexicans I know work their asses off, and most PRs don't.
 
2013-12-31 08:39:02 AM  
im gettting a kick
 
2013-12-31 08:55:33 AM  

lack of warmth: SithLord: lack of warmth: Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.

What a shame.  It would be nice to have them added to the list of states we ridicule and debate about a Puerto Rico tag.

Leaving PR a territory as opposed to including them as a state means that Detroit doesn't have any real competition in the murder rate stats.

Right, and Detroit could use a break.


Detroit is union.  They get plenty of breaks whether they work or not.
 
2013-12-31 09:15:57 AM  

El Morro: Puerto Rico CAN be dangerous, if you choose to ignore a few basic rules:

1) Unless you're with someone from the island or in a group, don't just go wandering around like some lost puppy.  Especially if you don't speak Spanish.  That's just stupid.
2) If someone tries to pull the old, "Pardon me, sir?  Can you please help me with [insert XYZ sad story here]?" and you can't immediately tell if it's legit (gunshot wound, carrying an unconcious person, holding their own bloody limbs and seeing the still dripping machinery that took them off), just say, "lo siento, no puedo ayudarle" and get the f*ck out of there.
3) Don't buy drugs from anyone down there.  Just don't do it.  They'll try and make the transaction happen in some dark little area, where "coincidentally" there may be a few unseemly looking fellows who will respectfully ask for your money.  And if you say no, they'll ask again... considerably less respectfully.
4) Lock everything up tight at night.  DUH.
5) If it's late at night and you want to stroll around, stick to the main road on Isla Verde, or the busy, touristy areas of Viejo San Juan.  If you must "explore", do so in the daytime.
6) Apparently, red lights serve only as a suggestion when it gets really late.  At least that's how it seems when I drive there.

Aside from the above, PR is an awesome island and a great vacation.  Cool people, beautiful people, delicious food, and just a very nice vibe overall.  Its super cheap to fly there now, and you can easily spend a few days just lounging on the beach during the day and gambling/dancing in the casinos at night.  I love it.


Due to the number of carjackings you only have to slow down at red lights past a certain time. Was in PR in May for work with a native Spanish speaker. Lots of police in the touristy area- wouldn't go anywhere else at night.

I'd rather go to Puerto Rico than the Bahamas, Dominican Republic, or Jamaica. The cool stuff to crime ratio is bad. Any area that is all all-inclusive resorts is a sign that the actual place you are visiting sucks.
 
2013-12-31 09:16:23 AM  

the_rhino: This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance. The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world. New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state. Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.

Not sure how serious your are being, but it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution (article 4) to create new States out of territory within a current state.


Keep reading.

"Without the consent of the legislature of the states involved."

How else do you explain Maine and Vermont?
 
2013-12-31 09:19:46 AM  
"It's like this every day in Puerto Rico!"
 
2013-12-31 09:36:23 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


Puerto Rico has the same minimum wage as required by federal law ($7.25 per hour). So your argument is shot. Consult with better sources next time.

Guam and the Virgin Islands also follow federal minimum wage law.
 
2013-12-31 09:40:36 AM  

QueenMamaBee: BSABSVR: SearchN: jtown: TheJoe03: assjuice: I am shocked that a 3rd world hellhole is a shiatty place to live.

Like West Virginia?

Can someone please print this and mail it to West Virginia so they know they've been insulted?

Why? Not like they could read it anyways.

Someone could just draw a sad face in dirt with a stick. That should make sense to them

I live about 15 minutes from WV.... I volunteer!


I had family there. In tha winter, it's tha issue of not bein able to git up them thar hills to git to tha postal offices, y'see.
 
2013-12-31 09:40:36 AM  

Some Coke Drinking Guy: jim32rr: Cut the cord, time for their Independence Day

Actually, they voted to become a state last time around.  The Democrat president, and the democrat controlled congress, with some help from Spanish hating republicans, were able to crush the peoples wishes, because corporations in Puerto Rico don't want to have to start paying the same wages and benefits to to Puerto Ricans, that they do in the states.  (Territories get special minimum wage laws)  An increase in wages, and federal money, that statehood would have brought would have probably gone a long way towards stabilizing Puerto Ricos economy, and bringing down their crime rate.  Too bad for them, that Obama and Harry Reid are perfectly willing to sell out their political ideology, when it comes between making lobbyist happy, and having to deal with the welfare of Latin people.


Puerto Ricans are more "Afro" than "Latin".  (might explain the murder rate)
 
2013-12-31 09:40:49 AM  
Love PR.  There twice on business and then took the family on vacation.  Stick to the touristy spots and you are cool.  San Juan Candado has a great vibe.   Also checked out Camuy Caves, Areceibo, El Yunque and did a trail ride.

Our tour guide told us there are 3 languages in Puerto Rico:
1) English
2) Spanish
3) The Spanish pasted onto English that the young people / those who lived away then come back, speak

For a great restaurant, check out the 'Under the Tree' (beside the DoubleTree, across from a SuperMax).  The Pina Colada clun at the Caribe Hilton was nice too.
 
2013-12-31 09:53:53 AM  
I went there on a vacation with my then-girlfriend. It was an awesome place. Great food, great weather, although the architecture was pretty poor, the roads aside from the main highway were bad, and the people drove crazy.

The best restaurant I've ever eaten at is there, too. This hole in the wall place in Dorado called El Ladrillo. Their paellawas to die for and their plantains were awesome.
 
2013-12-31 10:06:17 AM  

2wolves: Indian reservation level poverty.


It is a Section 8 country...
 
2013-12-31 10:27:22 AM  

Fissile: RottenEggs: AbiNormal: Want to have fun? Call a Peurto Rican a filthy Mexican.

/Make sure you got your running shoes on.

Yeah they do enjoy believing that they are superior to Mexicans ,

===============

They are very chauvinistic in how they view themselves compared to other Hispanics.   Funny thing is that most of the Mexicans I know work their asses off, and most PRs don't.


This is like pretty much every immigrant story. If you swam, ran or got in the cargo hold of a boat, you already know the value of hard work. Once you're born here, it's pretty much hit or miss.
 
2013-12-31 10:35:07 AM  

FrancoFile: the_rhino: This way you buy both parties and make it acceptable without disrupting the balance. The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world. New York is also a possibility cutting off New York city from much of the rest of the state. Either way there are divisions to be had which would be economically sustainable as well as better reflecting the nature of the populations so that lawmaking can take into account the needs of the governed.

Not sure how serious your are being, but it is expressly forbidden in the Constitution (article 4) to create new States out of territory within a current state.

Keep reading.

"Without the consent of the legislature of the states involved."

How else do you explain Maine and Vermont?


There are lots of proposals to break up California so it would certainly be with the consent of the populations complying with the constitution. Recently on Fark it was posted someone is funding an idea to break up California into 6 states.  Six to me is too many in order to give the areas in question a sufficient tax base and population to matter.  Two northern counties (who have no population) approved the idea of reforming the State of Jefferson which almost became a state until World War 2 scuttled the idea.  I don't know how viable Jefferson would be unless it took much of Northern California as there simply are not enough population there and I doubt there is much interest in forming a state with fewer people than Wyoming has.  However because of the few people there and massive difference in lifestyle and needs, I don't know if anyone else in California really cares about those areas so long as there is an agreement to allow the south to steal their water.

Now the coastal/eastern split makes some sense and would create two states that would be in the top 10-15 of states in population that better reflects their various populations. After all the populations and needs of the bay area and LA have little in common with the central valley or inland empire.  It wouldn't be easy and there are tricky issues such as dividing up the massive debt or handling the prison populations of the coastal areas (most prisoners are from the heavily populated coastal cities while most prisons are in the eastern portion).  However, I think the political will could be there to kill California as one state as neither area is satisfied with having their ideas hindered by the progressives/conservatives in much of the state.
 
2013-12-31 11:05:23 AM  

CruiserTwelve: 900 homicides out of a population of 4,000,000? If my maths are correct, that's a rate of 22.5 per 100,000. About half of Detroit's rate.


about 1/8 the rate in Juarez
(3500 murders in a population of 2M)
 
2013-12-31 11:09:32 AM  

Prey4reign: They're killing gringos down there!  Let them kidnap one good-looking blond and Obama'll declare martial law and we go round up the usual suspects.


Shush
I don't need Nancy Grace anywhere within a hundred miles of me
 
2013-12-31 11:20:15 AM  

pushcart: I spent a few weeks in SJ and Caguas this year. The people I met were friendly and hard-working. Lots of poor people though. Crumbling infrastructure too. It's a sad situation.


Crumbling infrastructure? Did the whites move out when the Puerto Ricans moved in?
 
2013-12-31 12:10:36 PM  

johndalek: i'm just trying to figure out how they would pattern the stars on the u.s. flagit works out a-ok with 50. what happens when we add one more.


Keep it at 50.

I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before i recognize Missourah.
 
2013-12-31 12:23:36 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: What's more, it's not like Chicago where they can try to blame all of the surrounding regions for their violence problems


What, like the corn fields?
 
2013-12-31 12:40:03 PM  

DB: gnadfly: Every exterior window and door on the island is behind bars - even the ones in the backyards.


That's to protect widows from storm damage. It is a tropical island after all.


Uhm, no. It is to protect the homes from break ins and looting during storms. It is a true statement that every window pretty much everywhere has bars on it. The entire island is run down, even San Juan. The "nice" areas of San Juan are like the "meh" areas here. The water, cuisine, rum, weather, and natural environment are great and most of the people there are pretty friendly. The major problem with Puerto Rico is that the only major economy there is tourism, pharmaceuticals, and to a lesser extent rum/coffee. There are a lot of people on welfare there and those Puerto Ricans who work HATE them with a passion. You will commonly see ghetto project apartments all with big screen tvs and satellite dishes in them. You have people comfortable because they are on a fricking island with basic entertainment needs getting a free-ride so of course they don't produce anything. I have gone there a few times and most recently stayed at the St. Regis, which is a laughable contrast to the rest of the island.
 
2013-12-31 12:46:33 PM  

the_chief: I got stabbed to death once. It sucked.


I got stabbed to death twice!
 
2013-12-31 01:04:33 PM  

Daedalus27: The other state you could target is Texas but I don't know if we could chop it up or if the population would accept such a division even if it made all the sense in the world.


Never happen. They're one of the few states that have kept some semblance of a unified self image over the last 100+ years of federal domination. .

Even their power grid is separate from the rest of the US.

/tho I like your Cali split/PR/DC idea

www.geni.org
 
2013-12-31 03:03:47 PM  

12349876: You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.


Then consider that half the Democrats are corrupt quislings and there is little party discipline.

Daedalus27: There are lots of proposals to break up California so it would certainly be with the consent of the populations complying with the constitution. Recently on Fark it was posted someone is funding an idea to break up California into 6 states. Six to me is too many in order to give the areas in question a sufficient tax base and population to matter.


You have the Minnie Pearl problem; I told my boyfriend we should get married and he said who would want us? None of the six regions want to be in bed with any of the others. The central coast doesn't want to be part of either northern or southern California. You have 'west Oklahoma' aka the southern central valley, which doesn't have much in common with the northern central valley.
 
2013-12-31 11:30:53 PM  

gibbon1: 12349876: You don't have the Senate unless you have 60.

Then consider that half the Democrats are corrupt quislings and there is little party discipline.

Daedalus27: There are lots of proposals to break up California so it would certainly be with the consent of the populations complying with the constitution. Recently on Fark it was posted someone is funding an idea to break up California into 6 states. Six to me is too many in order to give the areas in question a sufficient tax base and population to matter.

You have the Minnie Pearl problem; I told my boyfriend we should get married and he said who would want us? None of the six regions want to be in bed with any of the others. The central coast doesn't want to be part of either northern or southern California. You have 'west Oklahoma' aka the southern central valley, which doesn't have much in common with the northern central valley.



While that is true, don't you think both the northern and central valley would be much happier if representatives from San Francisco and LA residents were not making agriculture and pollution standards?  In some sense there is the devil you know vs the devil you don't effect, but I think most would like to do without those individuals.  At the same time I would think LA and SF residents would like to do away with those who smell like cow shiat from having any voice in the building of their utopia (not that they have much of a voice right now). There would be some issue linking the inland and very south to the central valley, but that provides a stabilizing population and tax base that means they have a voice in Washington instead of being another flyover state.
 
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