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2013-12-31 01:38:33 AM  

Dimensio: I have managed, after carrying a firearm regularly for more than seven years, not to suffer a single negligent discharge. In fact, I have managed never to make unintentional physical contact with my carry firearm. I do not understand how those who have caused such negligent discharges have managed to do so.


It's easy, they were fooling around, playing with a springy trigger and pressed a little too hard. Put your gun in a holster that covers the trigger and don't play with it, you will never have to pretend it was an accident.
 
2013-12-31 01:50:58 AM  

ex-nuke: The poorly posed photo for the story was bad but the whole story was bogus. The idiot was playing with the trigger and shot himself in the ass. A Glock has a trigger like a damn staple gun, you can't "bump" it reaching for your wallet and make it fire. He's either related to somebody or otherwise connected for them to let him off without at least a fine. Either that or the cops figure that having his name in the news for being a dumbass was punishment enough (along with the bullet in the butt).



I also suspect that ~80% of "accidental discharges" are dumbshiats fooling around with guns, and then lying about it.  Not so sure about this case, though.  Doesn't seem like he'd be playing Quickdraw McGraw in the Home Depot?
 
2013-12-31 04:31:55 AM  

capn' fun: undocumented construction workers?


They aren't "undocumented."  That's an idiot term invented by people who want to pretend that illegal immigrants have just failed to fill out paperwork.  In reality, they aren't eligible for citizenship, so they jumped the border, committed a crime while doing so, and are, in every sense of the word, illegal.

Only in the US do citizens worry about other people who snuck into the country.  Everywhere else, even Australia, those people are recognized for who they are:  persons who belong somewhere else.
 
2013-12-31 06:19:02 AM  
Yet another example of a gun owner being their own worst enemy...
 
2013-12-31 06:37:51 AM  
If you carry do not do it with a round already chambered. Gun safety 101.
 
2013-12-31 07:57:04 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.


Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...
 
2013-12-31 08:06:51 AM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Rozinante: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?


This. Glocks are nice weapons, but no matter what they say I find the lack of a manual safety to be extremely disconcerting.


I carried a Glock 19 for years with a round in the chamber (until I switched to a Steyr M9, which has a similar trigger system) and managed to never have a negligent discharge. Of course I kept mine holstered and my finger off the damn trigger.

I don't see a need for a manual safety on a double action weapon if you follow the basic safety rules.

Now on a single action cocked and loaded 1911....yeah, I'd carry with the safety on.
 
2013-12-31 08:34:58 AM  

Farkage: LittleSmitty: If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.

A cop in Bridgeport just shot himself in the leg. There is a huge uproar going on about how he should be severely punished or fired over a negligent discharge in a deli, since anyone else in CT would be.


Cops should be held to higher standard.

/Almost managed to post that with a straight face
 
2013-12-31 08:42:28 AM  

LittleSmitty: Farkage: LittleSmitty: If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.

A cop in Bridgeport just shot himself in the leg. There is a huge uproar going on about how he should be severely punished or fired over a negligent discharge in a deli, since anyone else in CT would be.

Cops should be held to higher standard.

/Almost managed to post that with a straight face



It takes practice not to laugh :)
 
2013-12-31 08:50:10 AM  
Link to the story of the poor officer that shot himself.  Don't worry though, Bridgeport police are "investigating" the incident.
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Bridgeport-cop-shoots-self-in-the -l eg-5071216.php
 
2013-12-31 09:39:48 AM  

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...


In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.
 
2013-12-31 09:47:49 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: *checks notes*
You're that guy who makes his living giving CCW classes.
Something something "when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

/You fan the fires of fear because it feeds you/your family.
//Just farking own it.
///And your Depends.


How am I fear mongering and how does what I say on Fark in any way effect my income from teaching classes?  Has anyone on Fark ever seen me encourage people to run out and get guns?  Has anyone on Fark ever seen me encourage people to carry a gun?  No, you haven't.  What you will see me encourage is that if you choose to buy or carry a gun, get proper training, from me or any other competent instructor, so that you know what you are doing and aren't a danger to yourself and those around you.

If encouraging people to get proper training so they aren't a danger to themselves and others is fear mongering to you, then guilty as charged.  Of course, that would be the stupidest accusation someone could ever try to level.

...and since no one on Fark knows the name of my training company or where I operate, trying to fill my classes by posting on Fark would be about the stupidest advertising attempt ever conceived.
 
2013-12-31 09:52:27 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.


I'm sorry to hear about your incredible fear of the unlikely.  I've never had one friend or their extended family, or ANY of my relatives in my rather large extended family EVER have their house catch fire,...EVER.  That includes parents, grandparents, cousins and their parents.  I guess you're getting your statistics from the NFA (National Fire Extinguisher Association, the ZOMG!!! equivalent of the NRA).   Besides, going by the "Only police should have guns because they are trained and it's wnat they do!!!  You are more likely to hurt yourself!", there is the equivalent "You should NEVER try fighting a fire yourself!  Call the fire department!  It's what they do and you are risking your life!!!"
Please stay on your anxiety meds.  I hate hearing about people that are up all night from the irrational nightmares.

By the way, your own statistics don't back up what you said.  Reading is Fundamental.
 
2013-12-31 09:59:15 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.


There's a flaw in your logic.  That flaw is the supposition that self defense with a firearm is valid only in response to being shot at by another firearm.  Depending on whose study you want to believe, firearms are used in self defense between 150k and 2.5M times per year.  Greatly increasing the usage rates.
 
2013-12-31 10:48:34 AM  
Really, though, carrying a gun just makes me feel like a badass.  Are you asking me to give that up, for the sake of public safety?  Well, screw you man.  You may as well ask me to give up my Tanto knife or my TACTICAL FLASHLIGHT.
 
2013-12-31 10:58:55 AM  

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.

I'm sorry to hear about your incredible fear of the unlikely.  I've never had one friend or their extended family, o ...


Unlikely? An average of five fires in your home during your lifetime puts it right up there with being involved in an automobile accident. Anecdotes != data. (And your family and friends are, statistically speaking, liars.) A fire extinguisher in the home, or in your car, or by your barbecue, can keep an accident from becoming a fire that the professionals tell you you shouldn't fight. And your neighbors at the local volunteer fire department will be more than happy to teach you that difference.

Hmm. Overall annual rate of firearm injury or death: 33.1/100,000, so 0.003 annual. Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms. You're right, I was off by an order of magnitude.

I've never said that only police should have firearms. As a matter of fact, I've espoused a return to the Founders' Militia - every sane, noncriminal, non-conscientious objector legal resident 16 and older regularly trains with firearms under penalty of law for not participating. I have said that walking around armed in public is, on its face, evidence of fear (and a sign of mental illness) absent a direct threat to your person, or a job requirement, or your presence in a combat zone - oh, and for hunting -, and I stand by that.
 
2013-12-31 11:12:21 AM  

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.

There's a flaw in your logic.  That flaw is the supposition that self defense with a firearm is valid only in response to being shot at by another firearm.  Depending on whose study you want to believe, firearms are used in self defense between 150k and 2.5M times per year.  Greatly increasing the usage rates.


You know that that one is utter and total bullshiat.
Let's double your brandishing-saved-my-racist-butt low end and ask: How many of those 300,000 situations would have been avoided by an unarmed person? Would you concede more than half? And, since we're asking, how many of the 100,000 plus Americans who sprout bullet holes every year would be whole and unholed if there weren't any fearful idiots walking around armed in public?

I don't begrudge you earning an honest living.

I do have a question for you, though. Having been a firearms instructor I know for a fact that I have had people in my classed who should never, ever be anywhere near a firearm. Of the people you have seen who have no business being in the same zip code as a firearm, how many of those have you dissuaded or actively prevented from having a permit to walk around armed in public?

One follow-up: How many have you persuaded to give up their firearms or had the civil authorities disarm for cause?
 
2013-12-31 11:26:29 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


That's one of the reasons I chose a Heckler & Koch USP over a Glock.  I just like having a manual safety,
 
2013-12-31 11:37:23 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: You know that that one is utter and total bullshiat.


Which is why I included the total range instead of hand picking any individual study.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Let's double your brandishing-saved-my-racist-butt low end and ask:


Dude, are you off your meds?  How did racism get involved in this?

demaL-demaL-yeH: How many of those 300,000 situations would have been avoided by an unarmed person? Would you concede more than half?


It's Impossible to even to begin to accurately speculate on the possibility of avoiding a crime without even knowing the nature of the crimes that were stopped by the defensive use of a firearm, much less the mindset of the person involved in the DGU.

You're just randomly throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.

demaL-demaL-yeH: And, since we're asking, how many of the 100,000 plus Americans who sprout bullet holes every year would be whole and unholed if there weren't any fearful idiots walking around armed in public?


So, are you now claiming that a significant portion of 100K American injured with a firearm every year are injured because a person legally carrying a firearm illegally shot them?  That should be rather easy for you to prove if it were so.

demaL-demaL-yeH: how many of those have you dissuaded or actively prevented from having a permit to walk around armed in public?


I will not pass anyone who has an unsafe attitude in class, displays unsafe gun handling or fails the practical shooting test.

I will however suggest they take my Taser class. :) (except the unsafe attitude folks who can bugger off.  The unsafe handling people can take the class again and again until I'm certain they know which way the barrel goes.)


demaL-demaL-yeH: One follow-up: How many have you persuaded to give up their firearms or had the civil authorities disarm for cause?


You're kidding right?
 
2013-12-31 11:39:23 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.

I'm sorry to hear about your incredible fear of the unlikely.  I've never had one friend or their extended family, o ...

Unlikely? An average of five fires in your home during your lifetime puts it right up there with being involved in an automobile accident. Anecdotes != data. (And your family and friends are, statistically speaking, liars.) A fire extinguisher in the home, or in your car, or by your barbecue, can keep an accident from becoming a fire that the professionals tell you you shouldn't fight. And your neighbors at the local volunteer fire department will be more than happy to teach you that difference.

Hmm. Overall annual rate of firearm injury or death: 33.1/100,000, so 0.003 annual. Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms. You're right, I was off by an order of magnitude.

I've never said that only police should have firearms. As a matter of fact, I've espoused a return to the Founders' Militia - every sane, noncriminal, non-conscientious objector legal resident 16 and older regularly trains with firearms under penalty of law for not participating. I have said that walking around armed in public is, on its face, evidence of fear (and a sign of mental illness) absent a direct threat to your person, or a job requirement, or your presence in a combat zone - oh, and for hunting -, and I stand by that.


So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they? Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?
Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.
And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!
 
2013-12-31 01:43:06 PM  

Farkage: So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they? Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?
Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.
And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA



The vast majority of concealed weapons carriers are drug dealers and gang members.  True story!
 
2013-12-31 01:48:42 PM  

Farkage: So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they?


*clicks TFA*
I have a sudden shooting pain in my wallet area. Yeah, people with CCWs never, ever negligently discharge their firearms. They're farking paragons, like their instructors.
(And half of suicides aren't accomplished with firearms, either.)
But I like how you choose a tiny subset of the problem to claim that there isn't a problem. Here's another jerk who should have never had a concealed carry license.  And  another. And another pair.

Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?

*looks at links above*
What you imagine I wrote is far more interesting that what I really wrote. You might have a future in speculative fiction - apply to the editorial board of the Wall Street Urinal, or FoxNews, or some other Murdoch media property. You might even have a shot a breaking into the mass-production market for straw men.
Gang members and drug dealers? I don't hang out with them.
(Ooh, look: Another potential straw man for you! You can call me racist for not hanging out with those people. That's why you walk around armed - you're justifiably afraid of those gang members and drug dealers in lily-white wherever the fark you're living.)
Gun hate? Just how farking selectively blind are you?

Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.

Personally speaking, I'm less than amused with the way you reject my actual arguments and substitute your own, mainly because you claim that I made them.

And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!

See that? Where did I write that?

More than half of all fatal shootings are suicides. According to WISQARS, the CDC database, there are an additional 14,000-19,000 accidental shootings, plus another 600 fatal accidental shootings annually, which gives us, picking the middle value for accidental shootings (19,000 (successful firearm suicides) + 3400 (firearm suicide attempts) + 16,500 (accidental shootings) + 600 (accidental shooting deaths) =  at least 39,400 absolutely, positively unnecessary shootings, not counting homicides, out of ~108,000 every year. They would not have happened had there been no firearms on hand. (One could get pedantic and argue that no shootings would have happened had there be no firearms on hand, but I'll leave pedantry to you, since you like it so much.)

The on-purpose shootings are mostly by family members/roommates/significant others "settling" arguments, but go on. I'm sure you have some more straw men queued up against arguments I never made.
 
2013-12-31 02:02:52 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they?

*clicks TFA*
I have a sudden shooting pain in my wallet area. Yeah, people with CCWs never, ever negligently discharge their firearms. They're farking paragons, like their instructors.
(And half of suicides aren't accomplished with firearms, either.)
But I like how you choose a tiny subset of the problem to claim that there isn't a problem. Here's another jerk who should have never had a concealed carry license.  And  another. And another pair.

Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?

*looks at links above*
What you imagine I wrote is far more interesting that what I really wrote. You might have a future in speculative fiction - apply to the editorial board of the Wall Street Urinal, or FoxNews, or some other Murdoch media property. You might even have a shot a breaking into the mass-production market for straw men.
Gang members and drug dealers? I don't hang out with them.
(Ooh, look: Another potential straw man for you! You can call me racist for not hanging out with those people. That's why you walk around armed - you're justifiably afraid of those gang members and drug dealers in lily-white wherever the fark you're living.)
Gun hate? Just how farking selectively blind are you?

Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.

Personally speaking, I'm less than amused with the way you reject my actual arguments and substitute your own, mainly because you claim that I made them.

And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!

See that? Where did I write that?

More than half of all fatal shootings are suicide ...


Let's see...  Quoted from your previous post, "Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms."
And yeah, the suicide thing is a non-argument with me since I know people firsthand that killed themselves quite nicely without a fiream, so in less than 1 minute your numbers are cut in half.
And regarding your source of data, from the source itself, "The number of nonfatal injuries presented in WISQARS Nonfatal are national estimates...".
You are less amusing than other things I have to do today, so I'll leave it at that.
 
2013-12-31 02:21:29 PM  

Farkage: And yeah, the suicide thing is a non-argument with me since I know people firsthand that killed themselves quite nicely without a fiream, so in less than 1 minute your numbers are cut in half.


So dead isn't dead, and countries that have limited access to firearms *cough Australia cough* haven't seen declines in their suicide and homicide rates. Active imagination you have there.

Farkage: "The number of nonfatal injuries presented in WISQARS Nonfatal are national estimates...".


Goodness knows, the incompetent statisticians at the CDC (because farking epidemiologists and actuaries aren't known for their statistical abilities) can't extrapolate to the population at large from a sample that includes more than half of the country.

You are farking delusional.
 
2013-12-31 02:36:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: And yeah, the suicide thing is a non-argument with me since I know people firsthand that killed themselves quite nicely without a fiream, so in less than 1 minute your numbers are cut in half.

So dead isn't dead, and countries that have limited access to firearms *cough Australia cough* haven't seen declines in their suicide and homicide rates. Active imagination you have there.

Farkage: "The number of nonfatal injuries presented in WISQARS Nonfatal are national estimates...".

Goodness knows, the incompetent statisticians at the CDC (because farking epidemiologists and actuaries aren't known for their statistical abilities) can't extrapolate to the population at large from a sample that includes more than half of the country.

You are farking delusional.



Their 95% confidence interval (on a quick check) went from 35ish thousand to 117ish thousand.  It was based on a sample size of 1700 people.  Now, when Kleck came out with More Guns = Less Crime he was in basically the same boat and got torn a new one over extrapolating.  This is entry level stuff here, and I have a 6 Sigma black belt so I'm guessing I know a metric shiat ton more about statistics that you do there captain pathetic.  And Australia is battling rising gun crime in case you are too farking stupid to look into it yourself.  So are many of the other "Look!  We passed these laws because EMOTIONS!!!" type countries.
 
2013-12-31 02:38:27 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.


Your statistics do not cover all defensive gun uses.  Not all defensive gun uses involve shooting.   Not all defensive gun uses are against human threats.  Dogs and wild animals very often attack people...  and many attacks by other humans have been thwarted merely by present the firearm.
 
2013-12-31 02:42:08 PM  

Mr.BobDobalita: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.

Your statistics do not cover all defensive gun uses.  Not all defensive gun uses involve shooting.   Not all defensi ...


Don't get him all worked up by presenting facts.  He has an issue with those.
 
2013-12-31 02:44:59 PM  
Farkage:
Don't get him all worked up by presenting facts.  He has an issue with those.


Most anti-gunners don't care about facts anyway, so I'm not surprised.  (not that I presented much in the way of facts and citations, but I could...  I'm just saying there are more variables to his equation)
 
2013-12-31 02:45:05 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Dude, are you off your meds?  How did racism get involved in this?


Look at the ethnic makeup of your classes and get back to me on that. (White, male, and over forty should ring a bell.)


Click Click D'oh: It's Impossible to even to begin to accurately speculate on the possibility of avoiding a crime without even knowing the nature of the crimes that were stopped by the defensive use of a firearm, much less the mindset of the person involved in the DGU.


Tell me, oh great sensei, how is it that people who go out dressed for trouble tend to find it, while people who do not do not?

Listen up, Grasshopper: It is better to avoid than to block,  It is better to block than to strike,  It is better to strike than to hurt,  It is better to hurt than to maim,  It is better to maim than to kill,  It is better to kill than to be killed,  All life is precious and none can be replaced.
Your first resort should be "Run away!"


Click Click D'oh: So, are you now claiming that a significant portion of 100K American injured with a firearm every year are injured because a person legally carrying a firearm illegally shot them?  That should be rather easy for you to prove if it were so.


You're right. It should be. But Tiahrt of Brownbackistan made that next to impossible, now didn't he?


Click Click D'oh: I will not pass anyone who has an unsafe attitude in class, displays unsafe gun handling or fails the practical shooting test.


I was actually referring to the "fug-buck nuts", but ...

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: One follow-up: How many have you persuaded to give up their firearms or had the civil authorities disarm for cause?

You're kidding right?


Ah, I see you addressed that.
 
2013-12-31 02:57:30 PM  

Click Click D'oh: ...and since no one on Fark knows the name of my training company or where I operate, trying to fill my classes by posting on Fark would be about the stupidest advertising attempt ever conceived.


PS dittybopper would advise you not to test me on this particular, tex.
 
2013-12-31 02:58:57 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Look at the ethnic makeup of your classes and get back to me on that. (White, male, and over forty should ring a bell.)


I hold spanish language classes twice a month.  That's 50% of my classes for people that can't count weekends.  One weekend a month I do a women only class. 'Splain to me again the over 40 white male composition of my classes.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Tell me, oh great sensei, how is it that people who go out dressed for trouble tend to find it, while people who do not do not?


Dispatch tells us where to go.

demaL-demaL-yeH: You're right. It should be. But Tiahrt of Brownbackistan made that next to impossible, now didn't he?


You don't even know what the Tiahrt Amendment did do you?  It's just like a boggieman for you.  To be thrown out and frighten the children with the very mention of it's name.

demaL-demaL-yeH: I was actually referring to the "fug-buck nuts", but ...


I think you missed a left turn back near Albuquerque, because I think you're off the path.
 
2013-12-31 03:00:12 PM  

Farkage: Their 95% confidence interval (on a quick check) went from 35ish thousand to 117ish thousand.  It was based on a sample size of 1700 people.  Now, when Kleck came out with More Guns = Less Crime he was in basically the same boat and got torn a new one over extrapolating.  This is entry level stuff here, and I have a 6 Sigma black belt so I'm guessing I know a metric shiat ton more about statistics that you do there captain pathetic.  And Australia is battling rising gun crime in case you are too farking stupid to look into it yourself.  So are many of the other "Look!  We passed these laws because EMOTIONS!!!" type countries.


What distresses me is that I may have taught you or one of your instructors.
 
2013-12-31 03:01:18 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: PS dittybopper would advise you not to test me on this particular, tex.


Like I care if some random person on the internet with too much time on his hands finds out the name of my training company.  I give out business cards with it on them all day long.

Oh noes, someone might find out the name of an advertised and publicly registered corporation!!!
 
2013-12-31 03:05:40 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Their 95% confidence interval (on a quick check) went from 35ish thousand to 117ish thousand.  It was based on a sample size of 1700 people.  Now, when Kleck came out with More Guns = Less Crime he was in basically the same boat and got torn a new one over extrapolating.  This is entry level stuff here, and I have a 6 Sigma black belt so I'm guessing I know a metric shiat ton more about statistics that you do there captain pathetic.  And Australia is battling rising gun crime in case you are too farking stupid to look into it yourself.  So are many of the other "Look!  We passed these laws because EMOTIONS!!!" type countries.

What distresses me is that I may have taught you or one of your instructors.


What I find more distressing is your willingness to lean on false logic.  Oh well, like the saying goes, you can't change a persons mind with logic and reason if they made up their mind by consciously avoiding logic and reason.
 
2013-12-31 03:13:08 PM  

Click Click D'oh: You don't even know what the Tiahrt Amendment did do you?  It's just like a boggieman for you.  To be thrown out and frighten the children with the very mention of it's name.


Dickey of Arkansas - CDC research.

Tiahrt - trace.

/Must work on my mnemonics.
 
2013-12-31 03:17:15 PM  

Click Click D'oh: ...and since no one on Fark knows the name of my training company or where I operate, trying to fill my classes by posting on Fark would be about the stupidest advertising attempt ever conceived.



Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: PS dittybopper would advise you not to test me on this particular, tex.

Like I care if some random person on the internet with too much time on his hands finds out the name of my training company.  I give out business cards with it on them all day long.

Oh noes, someone might find out the name of an advertised and publicly registered corporation!!!


Don't throw down the gantlet, and nobody will pick it up.
/cf. Going out dressed for trouble.
 
2013-12-31 03:18:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dickey of Arkansas - CDC research.

Tiahrt - trace.


How does the Tiahrt Amendments blocking of non-law enforcement agencies access to ATF trace information impede the ability to determine if legal CHL holders are shooting people illegally?   That information is already reported.
 
2013-12-31 03:22:21 PM  

Farkage: What I find more distressing is your willingness to lean on false logic.  Oh well, like the saying goes, you can't change a persons mind with logic and reason if they made up their mind by consciously avoiding logic and reason.


So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.

Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)
 
2013-12-31 03:32:10 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.


Why do I carry a zippo (don't smoke), pocket knife and small flashlight every where I go?  Does that make me mentally Ill too for carrying around items that only fill an exceptionally narrow role which is unlikely to occur during a normal day?

Or is it actually rational and entirely sane to be prepared to deal with unlikely scenarios as long as you don't unduly go out of your way or otherwise burden yourself to do so?

A few discrete and easy to carry items in my pockets that will otherwise go completely unnoticed in day to day life, but may make an important difference in the unlikely event that they are needed.  Just the same with a handgun isn't it?
 
2013-12-31 03:35:36 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: What I find more distressing is your willingness to lean on false logic.  Oh well, like the saying goes, you can't change a persons mind with logic and reason if they made up their mind by consciously avoiding logic and reason.

So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.

Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)



Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right?  Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.
 
2013-12-31 03:39:04 PM  

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.

Why do I carry a zippo (don't smoke), pocket knife and small flashlight every where I go?  Does that make me mentally Ill too for carrying around items that only fill an exceptionally narrow role which is unlikely to occur during a normal day?

Or is it actually rational and entirely sane to be prepared to deal with unlikely scenarios as long as you don't unduly go out of your way or otherwise burden yourself to do so?

A few discrete and easy to carry items in my pockets that will otherwise go completely unnoticed in day to day life, but may make an important difference in the unlikely event that they are needed.  Just the same with a handgun isn't it?


I'm sure it's a legally registered small capacity zippo, right?  Otherwise he'll think you're an arsonist waiting to happen...
 
2013-12-31 04:35:03 PM  

Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right?  Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.


I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.
 
2013-12-31 04:37:46 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Why do I carry a zippo (don't smoke), pocket knife and small flashlight every where I go?


You're a stabby pyro who attacks under cover of darkness.
/Which makes a hell of a lot more sense than walking around in public armed with a bullet launcher.
 
2013-12-31 04:40:05 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right?  Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.

I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.


How cute.  You have absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.  Aren't you prescious.
 
2013-12-31 04:54:19 PM  

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right? Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.

I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.

How cute.  You have absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.  Aren't you prescious.


Your entire logical "argument" is built of straw and fear. You haven't made a statement to refute.
Aren't you precocious?
 
2013-12-31 05:07:20 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right? Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.

I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.

How cute.  You have absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.  Aren't you prescious.

Your entire logical "argument" is built of straw and fear. You haven't made a statement to refute.
Aren't you precocious?



Well, given that I took apart your "statistics" and really got nothing but the sound of crickets from you, why bother?
Let's go back, shall we?

demaL-demaL-yeH: You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.


Farkage: And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs.


demaL-demaL-yeH: And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!

See that? Where did I write that?



Farkage: Let's see... Quoted from your previous post, "Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms."


You: Crickets...

demaL-demaL-yeH: /(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Farkage: Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.


You: Crickets

demaL-demaL-yeH: So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?


Farkage: And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.


You: DEEEERP BUT YOU'RE AFRAID!!!

You've got nothing.
 
2013-12-31 05:40:08 PM  

Farkage: Well, given that I took apart your "statistics" and really got nothing but the sound of crickets from you, why bother?
Let's go back, shall we?


OK.
19,000 (successful firearm suicides) + 3400 (firearm suicide attempts) + 17,500 (accidental shootings) + 600 (accidental shooting deaths) =  a reduction of 40,500 out of ~108,000 Americans afflicted with firearm-unlucky sudden onset bullethole syndrome in 2012.

Think the CDC is wrong?
Pony up your own statisticals, which I've repeatedly requested - just don't pull them from your fourth point of contact.
Upthread, somebody commented on the mysterious fall in firearm murder rates, given firearm sales. I find that the relation between a fall in firearm deaths and a greater number firearms owned by a much smaller percentage of the population far less mysterious than, say, tides are to Mr. O'Reilly.

Ad hominem, strawman, and fear (take a walk in Detroit with a $1K camera, for example) do not an argument make.
 
2013-12-31 06:23:34 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: 19,000 (successful firearm suicides) + 3400 (firearm suicide attempts) + 17,500 (accidental shootings) + 600 (accidental shooting deaths) = a reduction of 40,500 out of ~108,000 Americans afflicted with firearm-unlucky sudden onset bullethole syndrome in 2012.


There's at least one major problem here... nothing in your numbers indicates firearms ownership.  For all your stats indicate, every single one of those people accidentally injured by a firearm could have been bow hunting for deer and accidentally shot by predator hunters a mile away.  Also, for all your statistics indicate, the suicides could have all gone to a gun range, rented a gun and killed themselves.

Ownership not connected to shooting injury in your stats.

Ergo, your numbers can't be used to support a claim that not possessing a gun will make you less likely to be shot.
 
2013-12-31 07:35:20 PM  
 
2013-12-31 07:37:16 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Ergo, your numbers can't be used to support a claim that not possessing a gun will make you less likely to be shot.


Did I say "d'oh" already?
 
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