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2013-12-30 08:06:38 PM  

scotty425: Nutsac_Jim:

Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?
I suppose you think that every cop in the country carries their service weapon with an empty chamber.


I would be ok with it as long as people are walking open carry, holstered and buttoned down.

That would help to prevent all the cops that accidentally fire their gun when trying to pay for donuts.

Cops also get training.   I am not a fan of requiring expensive training on the citizen.  I see nothing wrong with requiring an empty chamber unless you have a permit.
 
2013-12-30 08:10:14 PM  

Rozinante: scotty425: Nutsac_Jim:

Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?
I suppose you think that every cop in the country carries their service weapon with an empty chamber.

They also Glock themselves regularly.


Yes, they do and it is a source of much hilarity here on FARK. Really, it's just a training issue and basic gun safety. Keep your damn finger off the trigger!
 
2013-12-30 08:10:29 PM  

DoctorOfLove: If you are shooting so fast that racking the slide is too long, and with one hand to boot, I'm willing to wager you aren't going to hit what your aiming at unless it's lying on top of you.


There are a large number of competitive and trained shooters in the US who can do just that.

Think of it this way:  If you are responsibly employing a weapon, you will keep it in the holster or concealed unless there is a lethal threat (anything short of that and you are not necessarily justified in drawing the weapon).  There is often very little time between identifying a threat, and having to act on it.  Gunfights are most frequently over in a matter of seconds.  Many times, justifiable use of deadly force is accompanied by serious injuries to the person who is now in a defensive situation.  Do you think that it is wise to add additional manipulations that are best carried out with two hands?

The other way to look at it is the way I look at many other gun related issues:  What do the local law enforcement folks have as regulations?  If they carry one in the chamber, you probably should be able to as well.
 
2013-12-30 08:17:30 PM  

dryknife: Did he simultaneously butt-dial 911?

\DRTFA


Would actually be a good thing for a Guy who just shot himself by mistake
 
2013-12-30 08:19:00 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: Rozinante: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

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It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?


This. Glocks are nice weapons, but no matter what they say I find the lack of a manual safety to be extremely disconcerting.


Go with an S&W M&P Shield. Has a safety and is available in 9mm and .40. Got the 9 because I have its bigger brother that I target shoot with, and 9 is cheaper than .40 for that...
 
2013-12-30 08:19:47 PM  

Speef: Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.


It's almost impossible for a reasonable competent adult to shoot themselves.

This guy either meant to do it, or not only should not be allowed to own a firearm, someone should put a cork on his fork before he puts an eye out.

www.logictimes.com

Sincerely,

Gun Owners Whose Family Tree has More Than One Branch
 
2013-12-30 08:21:36 PM  

LittleSmitty: If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.


A cop in Bridgeport just shot himself in the leg. There is a huge uproar going on about how he should be severely punished or fired over a negligent discharge in a deli, since anyone else in CT would be.
 
2013-12-30 08:25:31 PM  

iheartscotch: Flashlight: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one

Are you going to ask an attacker to stop so you can free up both hands to rack the slide? A gun without a round chambered is no better than a rock.

They don't know that you don't have a round in the chamber. Plus, situational awareness is pretty important when you're talking about a potentially violent situation.


It's irrelevant unless you are advocating pointing a gun at someone to intimidate them, which is farking retarded and is, in most cases, brandishing. The ONLY TIME you EVER point a gun at something is if it needs a hole in it.
 
2013-12-30 08:27:48 PM  
Ah, another "one in the pipe" accident. Glad he was able to get off a round so quickly-his ass was coming straight at him. He had choice but to stand his ground in a tactical situation. And who the fark needs a .40 to go shopping for home supplies? Did he think he was going to run into anyone other than suburban home owners and undocumented construction workers?
 
2013-12-30 08:32:36 PM  

capn' fun: Ah, another "one in the pipe" accident. Glad he was able to get off a round so quickly-his ass was coming straight at him. He had choice but to stand his ground in a tactical situation. And who the fark needs a .40 to go shopping for home supplies? Did he think he was going to run into anyone other than suburban home owners and undocumented construction workers?


Yeah, I hear that. I mean why would anyone think they should carry a gun at a movie theater, right? I mean after all, what could ever happen? It's just a batman movie! Right??!!?
Think before you speak, mkay?
 
2013-12-30 08:35:50 PM  
If his butt had its own gun this never would have happened.
 
2013-12-30 08:37:01 PM  

DoctorOfLove: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one

I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference (you have to pull the gun out and shoot it instantly, as opposed to 0.8 seconds later?  WTF?  Surprise car jacking in Tijuana for a living?) and if you live in such a place, you need to examine your life choices rather than carry a round in the chamber.


Carrying w/o one in the chamber assumes that: a) you will have the use of both hands/arms to rack the slide when the time comes; b) that you have practice enough to be able to rack the slide with one hand, and your offhand at that.

I carry because I am a prosecutor and I have had legitimate threats made against my person.  If it were just me I had to be worried about, I probably wouldn't carry.  But I feel that I have a duty to at least attempt to protect my staff when I am at the office, and my family when I am at home.  I have no allusions of grandeur and fully recognize that if the situations ever arises, I will likely not survive the incident. My only hope is that I can take the perp with me so that they won't be free to hurt anyone else.

I base this assumption on data showing that perp generally like their intended target (D.A./Defense Attorney) to know it is them doing the killing, which gives me a small window to fight back.  Fortunately, most of them aren't bright enough to just nail their target with a deer rifle from across the street.

That being said, 1911 style pocket pistol condition 1, or XDm (glock clone) in manpurse condition 3.  I have known too many cops who "accidentally" (negligently) discharge when carrying, holstering, otherwise handling their service weapon (usually glock). I reckon if the so-called professionals can't get it right, why should I think I am any more special?
 
2013-12-30 08:44:05 PM  

DoctorOfLove: scotty425: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber.  How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

Not very long, if you have both hands free. That's the key word, IF!

If you are shooting so fast that racking the slide is too long, and with one hand to boot, I'm willing to wager you aren't going to hit what your aiming at unless it's lying on top of you.


Well, exactly.

If the perp is in close enough contact with you to be holding onto one of your arms, you won't be racking and slide and you ARE shooting at contact distances.
 
2013-12-30 08:46:01 PM  

dahmers love zombie: If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


You sound like the kind of person I do not mind carrying a gun.

worried about you

Why do you feel the need to carry a gun ?
 
2013-12-30 08:48:02 PM  
I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".
 
2013-12-30 08:56:15 PM  

capn' fun:  I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.

 A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.

 A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

That CCW certainly endows them with the wisdom and judgment of Solomon.
/Feh.
//Farking pants-pissers.
///Stop driving up the price of ammo, asshats.
 
2013-12-30 08:57:13 PM  

capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".


"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?
 
2013-12-30 08:59:56 PM  
The kind of moron who thinks he's going to out-draw some criminal like the sheriff in an old western is exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be carrying a gun.
 
2013-12-30 09:00:53 PM  
If you read about most civilian (i.e. non-cop) shooting situations that have actually occurred (school shootings being an example, but rare, being present at a store robbery or the victim of a workplace shooting or a home invasion being slightly more common) almost without exception there is plenty of time (i.e. many seconds) to figure out what the hell is  going on, to rack the slide, and aim with both hands.  And if you don't take a few seconds to gauge the situation, you stand a fair chance of blowing the head off your kid who's sneaking in the house at 2 am.  Sorry Timmy, I was operating under the incorrect assumption that we lived in Baghdad, so I killed you.  Sucks to be you.

If you need to fire with one hand with a round in the chamber you have made very bad life choices and are probably already dead.  Car jacking for example.  The dude already has a gun shoved in your ear.  Either put your hands up and get out of the car, or punch it (punch the gas pedal, not the dude with the gun in your ear).  Don't try and shoot him, you will lose.

If you run an all night  liquor store in Detroit, a buzz them in door with a Remington 870 plainly visible under your arm, or well, hmm. move.  Life choices, people.

If you live in a place where you are likely to be already shot in one arm and desperately fumbling for your gun with your remaining good arm and your dying breaths, you need luggage, not guns, because you need to move.

There are two civilian shooting situations for the average american: (a) bang you're dead or (b) bang, someone else is dead, and you have what will seem to be eons of time to figure out what to do.

****

People buy guns for self defense and then, never actually think about the practical realities of self defense.

(a) Your in a liquor store and a dude sticks up the clerk with a gun.  Do you intervene?  (correct answer: absolutely not, for a host of reasons including the cops will shoot you when they get there, since they don't know who held up the store and who the dead guy in front of the clerk is, but you, dumbass, are standing there waving around a gun and everyone else in the store is jibber jabbering hysterically and pointing at you and the dead guy - this scenario has happened).  If you have half a brain in your head you quietly hide, get your gun out in case the bad guy comes after you, and if he doesn't, you quietly put your gun back once the bad guy has left (hopefully concealed) and quietly leave so none of the witnesses point at you and the cops don't kill your dumbass.

(b)  You shoot an actual home invader at 2 am and call 911.  Cops pull up in front of your house.  You run out of the house with your gun in your hand jumping for joy that the cops have arrived.  They of  course misunderstand your tears of joy and blow you away.  Wow, never thought about how difficult it would be to lower the temperature on a home invasion shooting when the police show up.   Maybe I shouldn't run out of the house with a gun, and maybe I shouldn't tell the cops I shot the dude, but I probably should approach the cops with my hands visible and empty, and then, before saying anything stupid to the cops, call my buddy the lawyer, who of course will tell me to completely shut the hell up until he gets there.

Oh, and it turns out the invader was your new drunk neighbor who got the wrong house (true story-cookie cutter condos, easy mistake to make).   Cops and prosecutor are actually kinda pissed you killed your drunk, but entirely harmless neighbor.

But officer, I had a round in the chamber, and he was only 3 feet away, so I was able to kill my drunk harmless neighbor 0.8 seconds faster than I would have been able to otherwise.  In fact, officer, had I taken 0.8 seconds longer and aimed with both hands, I might have had time to recognize my drunk  dumbass neighbor and not killed him.  But we live in Kabul, so you can't be too uncareful.  Oh wait, we live in a condo in Connecticut.  Oh, my bad.

****

Oh, and 99% of the cops in the US never fire their guns in anger in their entire careers either, so the whole round in the chamber is irrelevant to 99% of them as well.
 
2013-12-30 09:01:11 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: capn' fun:  I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

That CCW certainly endows them with the wisdom and judgment of Solomon.
/Feh.
//Farking pants-pissers.
///Stop driving up the price of ammo, asshats.


THIS! I bought .22 conversion kits for my rifles and 1911, but now I can't even buy .22! Hit 3 stores on my way to the range last week-not a single round available. At the range they wanted almost $.20/round, limit to 2 boxes. The hoarders, peppers, and militia types have done more to curtail shooting as a hobby by driving up prices and screwing with the supply/demand curve than anything the ATF or Obama ever dreamed of.
 
2013-12-30 09:03:10 PM  

mcmnky: Speef: Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.

It's almost impossible for a reasonable competent adult to shoot themselves.

This guy either meant to do it, or not only should not be allowed to own a firearm, someone should put a cork on his fork before he puts an eye out.



Sincerely,

Gun Owners Whose Family Tree has More Than One Branch


While I do not consider myself to be irresponsible when handling firearms, I did shoot my hand on one occasion.

/I was grazed by a ricochet off of a piece of metal downrange.
 
2013-12-30 09:08:47 PM  

Farkage: capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?


I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.
 
2013-12-30 09:13:13 PM  
If only there had been a good guy with a gunbrain in his farking head
 
2013-12-30 09:16:42 PM  

capn' fun: Farkage: capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?

I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.


Understood. I guess my only point is you probably walk around people way more often than you would ever imagine that are carrying and never know, because nothing happens. I don't worry about getting hit by lightning either.

In the meantime, regarding ammo, check out ammoseek.com. Every now and then something normal price shows up.
 
2013-12-30 09:26:56 PM  

Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.


I'm so glad I don't live in fear.
 
2013-12-30 09:38:39 PM  

Farkage: capn' fun: Farkage: capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?

I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.

Understood. I guess my only point is you probably walk around people way more often than you would ever imagine that are carrying and never know, because nothing happens. I don't worry about getting hit by lightning either.

In the meantime, regarding ammo, check out ammoseek.com. Every now and then something normal price shows up.


You know what-you're right. And I apologize-I was too harsh. Thanks for the tip on ammo.
 
2013-12-30 09:39:31 PM  

mrspeacock: I go to that Home Depot all the time. I was not aware I needed a gun.


Well, that is because you weren't going to attack yourself.  He was in danger of attacking himself and is why he needed the gun to defend himself.  Which he proved to everyone that he was in fact in danger of being attacked by himself.
 
2013-12-30 09:42:27 PM  

bud jones: fusillade762: Police said no citations were issued and it's unlikely that charges will be filed.

Being that big of a dumbass should at least involve a citation.

plaxico burress would like a word...


Burress wasn't legally carrying.
 
2013-12-30 09:43:01 PM  
There is no excuse for having a cocked weapon at any time unless you have it positioned to fire.
I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.

He created a dangerous environment and should have been charged for it.
 
2013-12-30 09:44:33 PM  
Clean up at checkout 4.
 
2013-12-30 09:47:34 PM  

Dwindle: I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.


A week ago this guy was counted as a Responsible Gun Owner.
 
2013-12-30 09:49:51 PM  

capn' fun: I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.

Understood. I guess my only point is you probably walk around people way more often than you would ever imagine that are carrying and never know, because nothing happens. I don't worry about getting hit by lightning either.

In the meantime, regarding ammo, check out ammoseek.com. Every now and then something normal price shows up.

You know what-you're right. And I apologize-I was too harsh. Thanks for the tip on ammo.



It's all good.  Have a good New Year!
 
2013-12-30 09:58:03 PM  

Bane of Broone: Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.

I'm so glad I don't live in fear.


You're so scared that not only are you willing to give up your own rights, you're willing to take them away from others.
 
2013-12-30 10:00:43 PM  

Bane of Broone: Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.

I'm so glad I don't live in fear.


Or take the Lethal Weapon movies as real life documentaries.

But seriously, it seems most of these civilian accidental discharges occur from two situations.
1) a person doesn't have their gun in a proper holster and it discharges while they are adjusting it or something hits it.
2) a person is showing it to somebody and it discharges.
It seems a lot of idiots that don't need to own guns, own guns.
 
2013-12-30 10:22:11 PM  
He must have narrowly missed his head.
 
2013-12-30 10:24:03 PM  

Bane of Broone: Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.

I'm so glad I don't live in fear.


I wonder how many gun owners don't wash their hands after they take a piss. How many floss their teeth? These things will increase your life expectancy more than owning a gun.
 
2013-12-30 10:34:20 PM  

Dwindle: There is no excuse for having a cocked weapon at any time unless you have it positioned to fire.
I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.

He created a dangerous environment and should have been charged for it.


Me thinks you do not understand how a Glock operates. It's not hammer fired, it's striker fired. It's never "cocked".
 
2013-12-30 10:43:57 PM  
I love a story with a happy ending.
 
2013-12-30 11:05:18 PM  

Lorelle: I love a story with a happy ending.


It will probably be unhappy for some time,  especially if he sits.

Hopefully he had incendiary rounds loaded. Or rock salt.
 
2013-12-30 11:11:56 PM  
Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.
 
2013-12-30 11:19:38 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.


People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.
 
2013-12-30 11:26:31 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.


It's not about knowing how to use a firearm: It's about carrying one among an unsuspecting public outside a war zone and absent a specific threat or your job requiring it.

*checks notes*
You're that guy who makes his living giving CCW classes.
Something something "when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

/You fan the fires of fear because it feeds you/your family.
//Just farking own it.
///And your Depends.
 
2013-12-30 11:28:33 PM  

Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.


Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.
 
2013-12-30 11:41:33 PM  

Dimensio: While I do not consider myself to be irresponsible when handling firearms, I did shoot my hand on one occasion.

/I was grazed by a ricochet off of a piece of metal downrange.


I wouldn't hold that against you.

I've been burned by hot case ejected by my wife in the next lane at the range, but I wouldn't say she shot me.

/at least, she says it was an accident.
 
2013-12-31 12:05:41 AM  

NightOwl2255: Dwindle: There is no excuse for having a cocked weapon at any time unless you have it positioned to fire.
I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.

He created a dangerous environment and should have been charged for it.

Me thinks you do not understand how a Glock operates. It's not hammer fired, it's striker fired. It's never "cocked".


Eh, more like always cocked - or at least half cocked if you want to talk in hammer fired terms.

To be "uncocked", it better have a trigger stroke like a DA revolver.
 
2013-12-31 12:06:49 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.


I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.
 
2013-12-31 12:57:42 AM  

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.


ohsnapglowchart.jpg

/on mobile.
 
2013-12-31 01:18:47 AM  

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.


To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Wow.

/The sky on your home planet, madame, what color is it?
//(I'm betting piss yellow when the projector's off.)
///Your stance is urine idiot, isn't it?
 
2013-12-31 01:27:35 AM  

Thingster: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

ohsnapglowchart.jpg

/on mobile.


Calling an "Oh, SNAP!" when somebody who walks around armed in public due to mumble-mumble unspecifiable threat says that somebody who does not walk around armed in public is  afraid and projecting is irremediably pants-on-fire-on-head potato.
/Just how do you manage to get dressed in the morn... Oh. Right. Already covered that.
//Seriously? The guy who isn't armed is the one who's walking around afraid? Just how stup... Never mind.
 
2013-12-31 01:31:00 AM  
The poorly posed photo for the story was bad but the whole story was bogus. The idiot was playing with the trigger and shot himself in the ass. A Glock has a trigger like a damn staple gun, you can't "bump" it reaching for your wallet and make it fire. He's either related to somebody or otherwise connected for them to let him off without at least a fine. Either that or the cops figure that having his name in the news for being a dumbass was punishment enough (along with the bullet in the butt).
 
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