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2013-12-30 06:17:26 PM
Police said no citations were issued and it's unlikely that charges will be filed.

Being that big of a dumbass should at least involve a citation.
 
2013-12-30 06:52:54 PM
Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

i.imgur.com

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.
 
2013-12-30 06:53:21 PM
His big dumb ass is probably a little smaller now...
 
2013-12-30 06:53:47 PM
Everyone is thinking it so I'll just say it...

Frickin white people!
 
2013-12-30 06:55:34 PM
At least it wasn't his step daughter.
 
2013-12-30 06:57:11 PM
img.fark.net
 
2013-12-30 06:58:23 PM
"Thought it was his wallet", yeah, sure. Dumbass was bored and playing with his toy.
 
2013-12-30 06:58:24 PM

fusillade762: Police said no citations were issued and it's unlikely that charges will be filed.

Being that big of a dumbass should at least involve a citation.


plaxico burress would like a word...
 
2013-12-30 06:59:08 PM
"Accidently"? There's typos, and then there's just being an illiterate dumbass.
 
2013-12-30 06:59:27 PM
Did he have guns for hands?

/DNRTFA
 
2013-12-30 06:59:31 PM
Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.
 
2013-12-30 07:02:03 PM
Too bad he didn't shoot his testicles off. We need less gun-owners in the USA breeding and spreading their madness to a new generation.

So brave, going to HOME DEPOT in that warzone known as Brighton, MI. Why would a 32-year-old white male who is not a criminal nor police officer need to carry a sidearm?

Need a blankie too for when you go the scawy big-box store? Want mummy to go into the restroom with you to go potty, honey? It's OK...I am here.
 
2013-12-30 07:02:06 PM

dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:


The Glock 42 is going to be part of an amazing number of negligent discharges.  A pocket pistol of the sort most commonly carried by inexperienced shooters, combined with the "safe-action" trigger is a sure formula for incidents.
 
2013-12-30 07:08:52 PM
It only his butt had a gun, this would not have happened.
 
2013-12-30 07:11:26 PM
Glock?  Yup, case closed

Wouldn't have happened if he was actually carrying the CZ-75B from the picture.
 
2013-12-30 07:12:23 PM
"Police said no citations were issued and it's unlikely that charges will be filed. " So, I'm guessing that means his permit is still valid? That is farked. A negligent discharge should force an immediate suspension of his license until he can get before a judge and prove why he should be allowed to keep it. Wouldn't be opposed to a one and done rule on negligent discharges, either. Idiot.
 
2013-12-30 07:12:53 PM

dahmers love zombie: If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


FTFY
 
2013-12-30 07:13:39 PM

dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


Buy a gun with a safety?
 
2013-12-30 07:14:22 PM

Primum: Too bad he didn't shoot his testicles off. We need less gun-owners in the USA breeding and spreading their madness to a new generation.

So brave, going to HOME DEPOT in that warzone known as Brighton, MI. Why would a 32-year-old white male who is not a criminal nor police officer need to carry a sidearm?

Need a blankie too for when you go the scawy big-box store? Want mummy to go into the restroom with you to go potty, honey? It's OK...I am here.


Why are you in the potty at the big box store? Is your name Sea Bass?
 
2013-12-30 07:21:53 PM
I'll take "Things that happen to Mark Sanchez on his off days" for $500, Alex!
 
2013-12-30 07:23:23 PM

bud jones: fusillade762: Police said no citations were issued and it's unlikely that charges will be filed.

Being that big of a dumbass should at least involve a citation.

plaxico burress would like a word...


Burress didn't have a license for the gun he shot himself with, iirc.
 
2013-12-30 07:24:06 PM
Or don't put one in the chamber.  How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?
 
2013-12-30 07:25:34 PM

Rozinante: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?



This. Glocks are nice weapons, but no matter what they say I find the lack of a manual safety to be extremely disconcerting.
 
2013-12-30 07:26:26 PM

dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:



It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one
 
2013-12-30 07:26:35 PM

Speef: Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.


I always carry mine in my front pocket. Barrel facing out though.
 
2013-12-30 07:30:31 PM

iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one


I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference (you have to pull the gun out and shoot it instantly, as opposed to 0.8 seconds later?  WTF?  Surprise car jacking in Tijuana for a living?) and if you live in such a place, you need to examine your life choices rather than carry a round in the chamber.
 
2013-12-30 07:31:42 PM

NightOwl2255: It only his butt had a gun, this would not have happened.


More guns is surely the answer.
 
2013-12-30 07:32:45 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Rozinante: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?


This. Glocks are nice weapons, but no matter what they say I find the lack of a manual safety to be extremely disconcerting.


Oh, they make a bunch of noise about how safe they are, and that it's virtually impossible to discharge one without pulling the trigger, but a lotta damn things can pull that trigger.  My first purchase after I got my 26 was  a trigger block.  It's almost instantly removable if you WANT to fire the weapon, and virtually perfect at preventing the weapon from being fired if you don't want it fired.  You can even hook a lock on the side of it for complete safety in a household with children.  With the key, it takes about four seconds to go from completely, utterly unfireable, to a defensive weapon.  If you've waited until you have less than four seconds to make that choice, I'd submit you're not really paying attention.
 
2013-12-30 07:33:26 PM
If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.
 
2013-12-30 07:33:59 PM

DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber.  How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?


Not very long, if you have both hands free. That's the key word, IF!
 
2013-12-30 07:36:20 PM

Flashlight: Speef: Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.

I always carry mine in my front pocket. Barrel facing out though.


I thought you were just happy to see me.
 
2013-12-30 07:37:37 PM

rwfan: NightOwl2255: It only his butt had a gun, this would not have happened.

More guns is surely the answer.


More guns is always the answer.
 
2013-12-30 07:38:14 PM

iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one


Are you going to ask an attacker to stop so you can free up both hands to rack the slide? A gun without a round chambered is no better than a rock.
 
2013-12-30 07:38:24 PM

DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?


No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference


- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.
 
2013-12-30 07:39:30 PM
right in the but-tocks. They said it was a million dollar wound, but the army must keep that money 'cause I still haven't seen a nickel of that million dollars.
 
2013-12-30 07:40:15 PM

Primum: Too bad he didn't shoot his testicles off. We need less gun-owners in the USA breeding and spreading their madness to a new generation.

So brave, going to HOME DEPOT in that warzone known as Brighton, MI. Why would a 32-year-old white male who is not a criminal nor police officer need to carry a sidearm?

Need a blankie too for when you go the scawy big-box store? Want mummy to go into the restroom with you to go potty, honey? It's OK...I am here.


You could have simplified your posting by merely stating that you are incapable of rationally discussing the subject of firearms.
 
2013-12-30 07:40:40 PM

scotty425: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber.  How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

Not very long, if you have both hands free. That's the key word, IF!


If you are shooting so fast that racking the slide is too long, and with one hand to boot, I'm willing to wager you aren't going to hit what your aiming at unless it's lying on top of you.
 
2013-12-30 07:42:01 PM
I have managed, after carrying a firearm regularly for more than seven years, not to suffer a single negligent discharge. In fact, I have managed never to make unintentional physical contact with my carry firearm. I do not understand how those who have caused such negligent discharges have managed to do so.
 
2013-12-30 07:43:43 PM

Rozinante: Buy a gun with a safety?


And don't have a round in the chamber?

No, fark it:
Buy one of those Eurotrash firearms without manual safeties.
Carry it with a round in the chamber.
Don't use a proper holster - just stick it in the front of your pants.
Play with it in big box stores.
Please. Please. Please.

/Just stay the fark away from me and mine.
 
2013-12-30 07:48:24 PM
Did he simultaneously butt-dial 911?

\DRTFA
 
2013-12-30 07:50:27 PM

Flashlight: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one

Are you going to ask an attacker to stop so you can free up both hands to rack the slide? A gun without a round chambered is no better than a rock.


They don't know that you don't have a round in the chamber. Plus, situational awareness is pretty important when you're talking about a potentially violent situation.
 
2013-12-30 07:51:55 PM

Primum: Too bad he didn't shoot his testicles off. We need less gun-owners in the USA breeding and spreading their madness to a new generation.

So brave, going to HOME DEPOT in that warzone known as Brighton, MI. Why would a 32-year-old white male who is not a criminal nor police officer need to carry a sidearm?


Thanks for telling everyone how to live Captain Lib.
Next up, outlaw women with big titties because why does anyone need anything that big?

I hope you walk to work, hypocrite.
 
2013-12-30 07:54:06 PM
This cock needs a $10,000 citation for negligent public discharge.
 
2013-12-30 07:54:54 PM

Nutsac_Jim: This cock needs a $10,000 citation for negligent public discharge.


I do not understand why so few such citations are issued.
 
2013-12-30 07:57:30 PM

Rozinante: If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?


Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?    What if aliens show up?
 
2013-12-30 07:57:36 PM

iheartscotch: Flashlight: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one

Are you going to ask an attacker to stop so you can free up both hands to rack the slide? A gun without a round chambered is no better than a rock.

They don't know that you don't have a round in the chamber. Plus, situational awareness is pretty important when you're talking about a potentially violent situation.


That person not knowing that you don't have a round in the chamber doesn't help you shoot him.
 
2013-12-30 07:59:57 PM
I go to that Home Depot all the time. I was not aware I needed a gun.
 
2013-12-30 08:01:43 PM
Nutsac_Jim:

Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?
I suppose you think that every cop in the country carries their service weapon with an empty chamber.
 
2013-12-30 08:03:25 PM
Nutsac_Jim: Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?    What if aliens show up?

You don't need to argue with me. I know guys that carried with an empty chamber in Afghanistan, and they actually had a daily likelyhood of using the things.
 
2013-12-30 08:04:22 PM

scotty425: Nutsac_Jim:

Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?
I suppose you think that every cop in the country carries their service weapon with an empty chamber.


They also Glock themselves regularly.
 
2013-12-30 08:06:38 PM

scotty425: Nutsac_Jim:

Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?
I suppose you think that every cop in the country carries their service weapon with an empty chamber.


I would be ok with it as long as people are walking open carry, holstered and buttoned down.

That would help to prevent all the cops that accidentally fire their gun when trying to pay for donuts.

Cops also get training.   I am not a fan of requiring expensive training on the citizen.  I see nothing wrong with requiring an empty chamber unless you have a permit.
 
2013-12-30 08:10:14 PM

Rozinante: scotty425: Nutsac_Jim:

Does a round really need to be in the chamber?  Really?  You expect to be ambushed so quickly that you cant rack a round as you point it to aim?
I suppose you think that every cop in the country carries their service weapon with an empty chamber.

They also Glock themselves regularly.


Yes, they do and it is a source of much hilarity here on FARK. Really, it's just a training issue and basic gun safety. Keep your damn finger off the trigger!
 
2013-12-30 08:10:29 PM

DoctorOfLove: If you are shooting so fast that racking the slide is too long, and with one hand to boot, I'm willing to wager you aren't going to hit what your aiming at unless it's lying on top of you.


There are a large number of competitive and trained shooters in the US who can do just that.

Think of it this way:  If you are responsibly employing a weapon, you will keep it in the holster or concealed unless there is a lethal threat (anything short of that and you are not necessarily justified in drawing the weapon).  There is often very little time between identifying a threat, and having to act on it.  Gunfights are most frequently over in a matter of seconds.  Many times, justifiable use of deadly force is accompanied by serious injuries to the person who is now in a defensive situation.  Do you think that it is wise to add additional manipulations that are best carried out with two hands?

The other way to look at it is the way I look at many other gun related issues:  What do the local law enforcement folks have as regulations?  If they carry one in the chamber, you probably should be able to as well.
 
2013-12-30 08:17:30 PM

dryknife: Did he simultaneously butt-dial 911?

\DRTFA


Would actually be a good thing for a Guy who just shot himself by mistake
 
2013-12-30 08:19:00 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: Rozinante: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?


This. Glocks are nice weapons, but no matter what they say I find the lack of a manual safety to be extremely disconcerting.


Go with an S&W M&P Shield. Has a safety and is available in 9mm and .40. Got the 9 because I have its bigger brother that I target shoot with, and 9 is cheaper than .40 for that...
 
2013-12-30 08:19:47 PM

Speef: Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.


It's almost impossible for a reasonable competent adult to shoot themselves.

This guy either meant to do it, or not only should not be allowed to own a firearm, someone should put a cork on his fork before he puts an eye out.

www.logictimes.com

Sincerely,

Gun Owners Whose Family Tree has More Than One Branch
 
2013-12-30 08:21:36 PM

LittleSmitty: If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.


A cop in Bridgeport just shot himself in the leg. There is a huge uproar going on about how he should be severely punished or fired over a negligent discharge in a deli, since anyone else in CT would be.
 
2013-12-30 08:25:31 PM

iheartscotch: Flashlight: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one

Are you going to ask an attacker to stop so you can free up both hands to rack the slide? A gun without a round chambered is no better than a rock.

They don't know that you don't have a round in the chamber. Plus, situational awareness is pretty important when you're talking about a potentially violent situation.


It's irrelevant unless you are advocating pointing a gun at someone to intimidate them, which is farking retarded and is, in most cases, brandishing. The ONLY TIME you EVER point a gun at something is if it needs a hole in it.
 
2013-12-30 08:27:48 PM
Ah, another "one in the pipe" accident. Glad he was able to get off a round so quickly-his ass was coming straight at him. He had choice but to stand his ground in a tactical situation. And who the fark needs a .40 to go shopping for home supplies? Did he think he was going to run into anyone other than suburban home owners and undocumented construction workers?
 
2013-12-30 08:32:36 PM

capn' fun: Ah, another "one in the pipe" accident. Glad he was able to get off a round so quickly-his ass was coming straight at him. He had choice but to stand his ground in a tactical situation. And who the fark needs a .40 to go shopping for home supplies? Did he think he was going to run into anyone other than suburban home owners and undocumented construction workers?


Yeah, I hear that. I mean why would anyone think they should carry a gun at a movie theater, right? I mean after all, what could ever happen? It's just a batman movie! Right??!!?
Think before you speak, mkay?
 
2013-12-30 08:35:50 PM
If his butt had its own gun this never would have happened.
 
2013-12-30 08:37:01 PM

DoctorOfLove: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

I'm not a huge fan of the glock anyway. I prefer my 1911 100% over a glock. Plus, I never run around with one in the chamber; I will do a full mag, but walking around with one in the chamber is just asking for trouble.

/ a lot of people disagree with me on this one

I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference (you have to pull the gun out and shoot it instantly, as opposed to 0.8 seconds later?  WTF?  Surprise car jacking in Tijuana for a living?) and if you live in such a place, you need to examine your life choices rather than carry a round in the chamber.


Carrying w/o one in the chamber assumes that: a) you will have the use of both hands/arms to rack the slide when the time comes; b) that you have practice enough to be able to rack the slide with one hand, and your offhand at that.

I carry because I am a prosecutor and I have had legitimate threats made against my person.  If it were just me I had to be worried about, I probably wouldn't carry.  But I feel that I have a duty to at least attempt to protect my staff when I am at the office, and my family when I am at home.  I have no allusions of grandeur and fully recognize that if the situations ever arises, I will likely not survive the incident. My only hope is that I can take the perp with me so that they won't be free to hurt anyone else.

I base this assumption on data showing that perp generally like their intended target (D.A./Defense Attorney) to know it is them doing the killing, which gives me a small window to fight back.  Fortunately, most of them aren't bright enough to just nail their target with a deer rifle from across the street.

That being said, 1911 style pocket pistol condition 1, or XDm (glock clone) in manpurse condition 3.  I have known too many cops who "accidentally" (negligently) discharge when carrying, holstering, otherwise handling their service weapon (usually glock). I reckon if the so-called professionals can't get it right, why should I think I am any more special?
 
2013-12-30 08:44:05 PM

DoctorOfLove: scotty425: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber.  How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

Not very long, if you have both hands free. That's the key word, IF!

If you are shooting so fast that racking the slide is too long, and with one hand to boot, I'm willing to wager you aren't going to hit what your aiming at unless it's lying on top of you.


Well, exactly.

If the perp is in close enough contact with you to be holding onto one of your arms, you won't be racking and slide and you ARE shooting at contact distances.
 
2013-12-30 08:46:01 PM

dahmers love zombie: If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


You sound like the kind of person I do not mind carrying a gun.

worried about you

Why do you feel the need to carry a gun ?
 
2013-12-30 08:48:02 PM
I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".
 
2013-12-30 08:56:15 PM

capn' fun:  I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.

 A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.

 A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

That CCW certainly endows them with the wisdom and judgment of Solomon.
/Feh.
//Farking pants-pissers.
///Stop driving up the price of ammo, asshats.
 
2013-12-30 08:57:13 PM

capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".


"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?
 
2013-12-30 08:59:56 PM
The kind of moron who thinks he's going to out-draw some criminal like the sheriff in an old western is exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be carrying a gun.
 
2013-12-30 09:00:53 PM
If you read about most civilian (i.e. non-cop) shooting situations that have actually occurred (school shootings being an example, but rare, being present at a store robbery or the victim of a workplace shooting or a home invasion being slightly more common) almost without exception there is plenty of time (i.e. many seconds) to figure out what the hell is  going on, to rack the slide, and aim with both hands.  And if you don't take a few seconds to gauge the situation, you stand a fair chance of blowing the head off your kid who's sneaking in the house at 2 am.  Sorry Timmy, I was operating under the incorrect assumption that we lived in Baghdad, so I killed you.  Sucks to be you.

If you need to fire with one hand with a round in the chamber you have made very bad life choices and are probably already dead.  Car jacking for example.  The dude already has a gun shoved in your ear.  Either put your hands up and get out of the car, or punch it (punch the gas pedal, not the dude with the gun in your ear).  Don't try and shoot him, you will lose.

If you run an all night  liquor store in Detroit, a buzz them in door with a Remington 870 plainly visible under your arm, or well, hmm. move.  Life choices, people.

If you live in a place where you are likely to be already shot in one arm and desperately fumbling for your gun with your remaining good arm and your dying breaths, you need luggage, not guns, because you need to move.

There are two civilian shooting situations for the average american: (a) bang you're dead or (b) bang, someone else is dead, and you have what will seem to be eons of time to figure out what to do.

****

People buy guns for self defense and then, never actually think about the practical realities of self defense.

(a) Your in a liquor store and a dude sticks up the clerk with a gun.  Do you intervene?  (correct answer: absolutely not, for a host of reasons including the cops will shoot you when they get there, since they don't know who held up the store and who the dead guy in front of the clerk is, but you, dumbass, are standing there waving around a gun and everyone else in the store is jibber jabbering hysterically and pointing at you and the dead guy - this scenario has happened).  If you have half a brain in your head you quietly hide, get your gun out in case the bad guy comes after you, and if he doesn't, you quietly put your gun back once the bad guy has left (hopefully concealed) and quietly leave so none of the witnesses point at you and the cops don't kill your dumbass.

(b)  You shoot an actual home invader at 2 am and call 911.  Cops pull up in front of your house.  You run out of the house with your gun in your hand jumping for joy that the cops have arrived.  They of  course misunderstand your tears of joy and blow you away.  Wow, never thought about how difficult it would be to lower the temperature on a home invasion shooting when the police show up.   Maybe I shouldn't run out of the house with a gun, and maybe I shouldn't tell the cops I shot the dude, but I probably should approach the cops with my hands visible and empty, and then, before saying anything stupid to the cops, call my buddy the lawyer, who of course will tell me to completely shut the hell up until he gets there.

Oh, and it turns out the invader was your new drunk neighbor who got the wrong house (true story-cookie cutter condos, easy mistake to make).   Cops and prosecutor are actually kinda pissed you killed your drunk, but entirely harmless neighbor.

But officer, I had a round in the chamber, and he was only 3 feet away, so I was able to kill my drunk harmless neighbor 0.8 seconds faster than I would have been able to otherwise.  In fact, officer, had I taken 0.8 seconds longer and aimed with both hands, I might have had time to recognize my drunk  dumbass neighbor and not killed him.  But we live in Kabul, so you can't be too uncareful.  Oh wait, we live in a condo in Connecticut.  Oh, my bad.

****

Oh, and 99% of the cops in the US never fire their guns in anger in their entire careers either, so the whole round in the chamber is irrelevant to 99% of them as well.
 
2013-12-30 09:01:11 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: capn' fun:  I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber.A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

capn' fun: I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

That CCW certainly endows them with the wisdom and judgment of Solomon.
/Feh.
//Farking pants-pissers.
///Stop driving up the price of ammo, asshats.


THIS! I bought .22 conversion kits for my rifles and 1911, but now I can't even buy .22! Hit 3 stores on my way to the range last week-not a single round available. At the range they wanted almost $.20/round, limit to 2 boxes. The hoarders, peppers, and militia types have done more to curtail shooting as a hobby by driving up prices and screwing with the supply/demand curve than anything the ATF or Obama ever dreamed of.
 
2013-12-30 09:03:10 PM

mcmnky: Speef: Attention people who have guns but shouldn't: If you're going to carry a handgun with a round in the chamber, please do us all a favor and stick it in the FRONT of your jeans, not the back.

We don't want you reproducing.

Love, Gun Owners Everywhere.

It's almost impossible for a reasonable competent adult to shoot themselves.

This guy either meant to do it, or not only should not be allowed to own a firearm, someone should put a cork on his fork before he puts an eye out.



Sincerely,

Gun Owners Whose Family Tree has More Than One Branch


While I do not consider myself to be irresponsible when handling firearms, I did shoot my hand on one occasion.

/I was grazed by a ricochet off of a piece of metal downrange.
 
2013-12-30 09:08:47 PM

Farkage: capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?


I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.
 
2013-12-30 09:13:13 PM
If only there had been a good guy with a gunbrain in his farking head
 
2013-12-30 09:16:42 PM

capn' fun: Farkage: capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?

I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.


Understood. I guess my only point is you probably walk around people way more often than you would ever imagine that are carrying and never know, because nothing happens. I don't worry about getting hit by lightning either.

In the meantime, regarding ammo, check out ammoseek.com. Every now and then something normal price shows up.
 
2013-12-30 09:26:56 PM

Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.


I'm so glad I don't live in fear.
 
2013-12-30 09:38:39 PM

Farkage: capn' fun: Farkage: capn' fun: I did think, Tackleberry. Which is why I leave my 1911, Glock, and other guns where they belong-at home. Locked up. Because I'm a grown-ass man who can go to a movie or buy some drywall mud without worrying about being shot at. Is it possible something could happen? Yes. Is it probable? Not even close. I'd be more likely to get hit by a car than a bullet, yet I still muster the courage to walk across the street without my mom holding my hand. And after many, many hours of range time to observe them, I'd be more worried about being hit accidentally by your average CC permit holder than a nut job or a robber. A day in class, the ability to shoot a softball sized group at 9-20 feet under controlled conditions, and they are suddenly transformed into "good guys with guns".

"Did he think he was going to run into..." was the part of your statement I was responding to, and was exactly what you were getting at. Nobody thinks anything is going to happen, yet it sometimes does, doesn't it? You know, like when you're watching a farking movie.
I have a ccw myself and almost never carry. As in, once in the past year. Nice to see you are capable of telling others what they should do in circumstances completely unknown to you. How is the view from your soapbox anyway?

I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.

Understood. I guess my only point is you probably walk around people way more often than you would ever imagine that are carrying and never know, because nothing happens. I don't worry about getting hit by lightning either.

In the meantime, regarding ammo, check out ammoseek.com. Every now and then something normal price shows up.


You know what-you're right. And I apologize-I was too harsh. Thanks for the tip on ammo.
 
2013-12-30 09:39:31 PM

mrspeacock: I go to that Home Depot all the time. I was not aware I needed a gun.


Well, that is because you weren't going to attack yourself.  He was in danger of attacking himself and is why he needed the gun to defend himself.  Which he proved to everyone that he was in fact in danger of being attacked by himself.
 
2013-12-30 09:42:27 PM

bud jones: fusillade762: Police said no citations were issued and it's unlikely that charges will be filed.

Being that big of a dumbass should at least involve a citation.

plaxico burress would like a word...


Burress wasn't legally carrying.
 
2013-12-30 09:43:01 PM
There is no excuse for having a cocked weapon at any time unless you have it positioned to fire.
I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.

He created a dangerous environment and should have been charged for it.
 
2013-12-30 09:44:33 PM
Clean up at checkout 4.
 
2013-12-30 09:47:34 PM

Dwindle: I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.


A week ago this guy was counted as a Responsible Gun Owner.
 
2013-12-30 09:49:51 PM

capn' fun: I'm not telling you what to do. Do as you please. But don't think that walking around with a gun crammed into your pants makes you somebody the rest of us want to have to mingle with let alone feel assured by, even those of us who understand and own guns, ourselves. Is it your right to do so? Absolutely. Is it my right to think it's a dumb idea and an accident/tragedy waiting to happen? Absolutely as well.

Understood. I guess my only point is you probably walk around people way more often than you would ever imagine that are carrying and never know, because nothing happens. I don't worry about getting hit by lightning either.

In the meantime, regarding ammo, check out ammoseek.com. Every now and then something normal price shows up.

You know what-you're right. And I apologize-I was too harsh. Thanks for the tip on ammo.



It's all good.  Have a good New Year!
 
2013-12-30 09:58:03 PM

Bane of Broone: Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.

I'm so glad I don't live in fear.


You're so scared that not only are you willing to give up your own rights, you're willing to take them away from others.
 
2013-12-30 10:00:43 PM

Bane of Broone: Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.

I'm so glad I don't live in fear.


Or take the Lethal Weapon movies as real life documentaries.

But seriously, it seems most of these civilian accidental discharges occur from two situations.
1) a person doesn't have their gun in a proper holster and it discharges while they are adjusting it or something hits it.
2) a person is showing it to somebody and it discharges.
It seems a lot of idiots that don't need to own guns, own guns.
 
2013-12-30 10:22:11 PM
He must have narrowly missed his head.
 
2013-12-30 10:24:03 PM

Bane of Broone: Click Click D'oh: DoctorOfLove: Or don't put one in the chamber. How the hell long does it take you folks to rack the slide?

No firearms advice out of you.  Be quite and go talk about something you know about.

DoctorOfLove: I agree with you, and I can't imagine a real world situation where having to rack the slide would make a difference

- If one of your arms has been injured by being shot or stabbed
- If an attacker has one of your arms pinned to you such as grappling.
- If you have to shoot one handed from a retention position while using your support hand to fend off and attacker or block a weapon.
- If you have to shoot through a pocket holster or holster purse using only one hand.

I'm so glad I don't live in fear.


I wonder how many gun owners don't wash their hands after they take a piss. How many floss their teeth? These things will increase your life expectancy more than owning a gun.
 
2013-12-30 10:34:20 PM

Dwindle: There is no excuse for having a cocked weapon at any time unless you have it positioned to fire.
I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.

He created a dangerous environment and should have been charged for it.


Me thinks you do not understand how a Glock operates. It's not hammer fired, it's striker fired. It's never "cocked".
 
2013-12-30 10:43:57 PM
I love a story with a happy ending.
 
2013-12-30 11:05:18 PM

Lorelle: I love a story with a happy ending.


It will probably be unhappy for some time,  especially if he sits.

Hopefully he had incendiary rounds loaded. Or rock salt.
 
2013-12-30 11:11:56 PM
Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.
 
2013-12-30 11:19:38 PM

Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.


People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.
 
2013-12-30 11:26:31 PM

Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.


It's not about knowing how to use a firearm: It's about carrying one among an unsuspecting public outside a war zone and absent a specific threat or your job requiring it.

*checks notes*
You're that guy who makes his living giving CCW classes.
Something something "when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

/You fan the fires of fear because it feeds you/your family.
//Just farking own it.
///And your Depends.
 
2013-12-30 11:28:33 PM

Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.


Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.
 
2013-12-30 11:41:33 PM

Dimensio: While I do not consider myself to be irresponsible when handling firearms, I did shoot my hand on one occasion.

/I was grazed by a ricochet off of a piece of metal downrange.


I wouldn't hold that against you.

I've been burned by hot case ejected by my wife in the next lane at the range, but I wouldn't say she shot me.

/at least, she says it was an accident.
 
2013-12-31 12:05:41 AM

NightOwl2255: Dwindle: There is no excuse for having a cocked weapon at any time unless you have it positioned to fire.
I hate responsible gun owners suffering the stupidity of people like this.

He created a dangerous environment and should have been charged for it.

Me thinks you do not understand how a Glock operates. It's not hammer fired, it's striker fired. It's never "cocked".


Eh, more like always cocked - or at least half cocked if you want to talk in hammer fired terms.

To be "uncocked", it better have a trigger stroke like a DA revolver.
 
2013-12-31 12:06:49 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.


I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.
 
2013-12-31 12:57:42 AM

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.


ohsnapglowchart.jpg

/on mobile.
 
2013-12-31 01:18:47 AM

Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.


To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Wow.

/The sky on your home planet, madame, what color is it?
//(I'm betting piss yellow when the projector's off.)
///Your stance is urine idiot, isn't it?
 
2013-12-31 01:27:35 AM

Thingster: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

ohsnapglowchart.jpg

/on mobile.


Calling an "Oh, SNAP!" when somebody who walks around armed in public due to mumble-mumble unspecifiable threat says that somebody who does not walk around armed in public is  afraid and projecting is irremediably pants-on-fire-on-head potato.
/Just how do you manage to get dressed in the morn... Oh. Right. Already covered that.
//Seriously? The guy who isn't armed is the one who's walking around afraid? Just how stup... Never mind.
 
2013-12-31 01:31:00 AM
The poorly posed photo for the story was bad but the whole story was bogus. The idiot was playing with the trigger and shot himself in the ass. A Glock has a trigger like a damn staple gun, you can't "bump" it reaching for your wallet and make it fire. He's either related to somebody or otherwise connected for them to let him off without at least a fine. Either that or the cops figure that having his name in the news for being a dumbass was punishment enough (along with the bullet in the butt).
 
2013-12-31 01:38:33 AM

Dimensio: I have managed, after carrying a firearm regularly for more than seven years, not to suffer a single negligent discharge. In fact, I have managed never to make unintentional physical contact with my carry firearm. I do not understand how those who have caused such negligent discharges have managed to do so.


It's easy, they were fooling around, playing with a springy trigger and pressed a little too hard. Put your gun in a holster that covers the trigger and don't play with it, you will never have to pretend it was an accident.
 
2013-12-31 01:50:58 AM

ex-nuke: The poorly posed photo for the story was bad but the whole story was bogus. The idiot was playing with the trigger and shot himself in the ass. A Glock has a trigger like a damn staple gun, you can't "bump" it reaching for your wallet and make it fire. He's either related to somebody or otherwise connected for them to let him off without at least a fine. Either that or the cops figure that having his name in the news for being a dumbass was punishment enough (along with the bullet in the butt).



I also suspect that ~80% of "accidental discharges" are dumbshiats fooling around with guns, and then lying about it.  Not so sure about this case, though.  Doesn't seem like he'd be playing Quickdraw McGraw in the Home Depot?
 
2013-12-31 04:31:55 AM

capn' fun: undocumented construction workers?


They aren't "undocumented."  That's an idiot term invented by people who want to pretend that illegal immigrants have just failed to fill out paperwork.  In reality, they aren't eligible for citizenship, so they jumped the border, committed a crime while doing so, and are, in every sense of the word, illegal.

Only in the US do citizens worry about other people who snuck into the country.  Everywhere else, even Australia, those people are recognized for who they are:  persons who belong somewhere else.
 
2013-12-31 06:19:02 AM
Yet another example of a gun owner being their own worst enemy...
 
2013-12-31 06:37:51 AM
If you carry do not do it with a round already chambered. Gun safety 101.
 
2013-12-31 07:57:04 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.


Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...
 
2013-12-31 08:06:51 AM

Wolf_Blitzer: Rozinante: dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.

Buy a gun with a safety?


This. Glocks are nice weapons, but no matter what they say I find the lack of a manual safety to be extremely disconcerting.


I carried a Glock 19 for years with a round in the chamber (until I switched to a Steyr M9, which has a similar trigger system) and managed to never have a negligent discharge. Of course I kept mine holstered and my finger off the damn trigger.

I don't see a need for a manual safety on a double action weapon if you follow the basic safety rules.

Now on a single action cocked and loaded 1911....yeah, I'd carry with the safety on.
 
2013-12-31 08:34:58 AM

Farkage: LittleSmitty: If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.

A cop in Bridgeport just shot himself in the leg. There is a huge uproar going on about how he should be severely punished or fired over a negligent discharge in a deli, since anyone else in CT would be.


Cops should be held to higher standard.

/Almost managed to post that with a straight face
 
2013-12-31 08:42:28 AM

LittleSmitty: Farkage: LittleSmitty: If you manage to shoot yourself in the ass by accident, you should not be allowed to carry a weapon as a matter of safety to others. Seriously, if you can't carry a gun without shooting yourself, you can't be trusted around other people.

A cop in Bridgeport just shot himself in the leg. There is a huge uproar going on about how he should be severely punished or fired over a negligent discharge in a deli, since anyone else in CT would be.

Cops should be held to higher standard.

/Almost managed to post that with a straight face



It takes practice not to laugh :)
 
2013-12-31 08:50:10 AM
Link to the story of the poor officer that shot himself.  Don't worry though, Bridgeport police are "investigating" the incident.
http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Bridgeport-cop-shoots-self-in-the -l eg-5071216.php
 
2013-12-31 09:39:48 AM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...


In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.
 
2013-12-31 09:47:49 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: *checks notes*
You're that guy who makes his living giving CCW classes.
Something something "when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

/You fan the fires of fear because it feeds you/your family.
//Just farking own it.
///And your Depends.


How am I fear mongering and how does what I say on Fark in any way effect my income from teaching classes?  Has anyone on Fark ever seen me encourage people to run out and get guns?  Has anyone on Fark ever seen me encourage people to carry a gun?  No, you haven't.  What you will see me encourage is that if you choose to buy or carry a gun, get proper training, from me or any other competent instructor, so that you know what you are doing and aren't a danger to yourself and those around you.

If encouraging people to get proper training so they aren't a danger to themselves and others is fear mongering to you, then guilty as charged.  Of course, that would be the stupidest accusation someone could ever try to level.

...and since no one on Fark knows the name of my training company or where I operate, trying to fill my classes by posting on Fark would be about the stupidest advertising attempt ever conceived.
 
2013-12-31 09:52:27 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.


I'm sorry to hear about your incredible fear of the unlikely.  I've never had one friend or their extended family, or ANY of my relatives in my rather large extended family EVER have their house catch fire,...EVER.  That includes parents, grandparents, cousins and their parents.  I guess you're getting your statistics from the NFA (National Fire Extinguisher Association, the ZOMG!!! equivalent of the NRA).   Besides, going by the "Only police should have guns because they are trained and it's wnat they do!!!  You are more likely to hurt yourself!", there is the equivalent "You should NEVER try fighting a fire yourself!  Call the fire department!  It's what they do and you are risking your life!!!"
Please stay on your anxiety meds.  I hate hearing about people that are up all night from the irrational nightmares.

By the way, your own statistics don't back up what you said.  Reading is Fundamental.
 
2013-12-31 09:59:15 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.


There's a flaw in your logic.  That flaw is the supposition that self defense with a firearm is valid only in response to being shot at by another firearm.  Depending on whose study you want to believe, firearms are used in self defense between 150k and 2.5M times per year.  Greatly increasing the usage rates.
 
2013-12-31 10:48:34 AM
Really, though, carrying a gun just makes me feel like a badass.  Are you asking me to give that up, for the sake of public safety?  Well, screw you man.  You may as well ask me to give up my Tanto knife or my TACTICAL FLASHLIGHT.
 
2013-12-31 10:58:55 AM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.

I'm sorry to hear about your incredible fear of the unlikely.  I've never had one friend or their extended family, o ...


Unlikely? An average of five fires in your home during your lifetime puts it right up there with being involved in an automobile accident. Anecdotes != data. (And your family and friends are, statistically speaking, liars.) A fire extinguisher in the home, or in your car, or by your barbecue, can keep an accident from becoming a fire that the professionals tell you you shouldn't fight. And your neighbors at the local volunteer fire department will be more than happy to teach you that difference.

Hmm. Overall annual rate of firearm injury or death: 33.1/100,000, so 0.003 annual. Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms. You're right, I was off by an order of magnitude.

I've never said that only police should have firearms. As a matter of fact, I've espoused a return to the Founders' Militia - every sane, noncriminal, non-conscientious objector legal resident 16 and older regularly trains with firearms under penalty of law for not participating. I have said that walking around armed in public is, on its face, evidence of fear (and a sign of mental illness) absent a direct threat to your person, or a job requirement, or your presence in a combat zone - oh, and for hunting -, and I stand by that.
 
2013-12-31 11:12:21 AM

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.

There's a flaw in your logic.  That flaw is the supposition that self defense with a firearm is valid only in response to being shot at by another firearm.  Depending on whose study you want to believe, firearms are used in self defense between 150k and 2.5M times per year.  Greatly increasing the usage rates.


You know that that one is utter and total bullshiat.
Let's double your brandishing-saved-my-racist-butt low end and ask: How many of those 300,000 situations would have been avoided by an unarmed person? Would you concede more than half? And, since we're asking, how many of the 100,000 plus Americans who sprout bullet holes every year would be whole and unholed if there weren't any fearful idiots walking around armed in public?

I don't begrudge you earning an honest living.

I do have a question for you, though. Having been a firearms instructor I know for a fact that I have had people in my classed who should never, ever be anywhere near a firearm. Of the people you have seen who have no business being in the same zip code as a firearm, how many of those have you dissuaded or actively prevented from having a permit to walk around armed in public?

One follow-up: How many have you persuaded to give up their firearms or had the civil authorities disarm for cause?
 
2013-12-31 11:26:29 AM

dahmers love zombie: Look, dipshiat.  It's called a trigger block:

[i.imgur.com image 304x200]

It wedges between the trigger and the back of the guard.  You can remove it in about .5 of a second if you feel you need to discharge your weapon.  I never, ever, EVER carried my Glock unholstered without a trigger block in place.  It's even a pro-active defense.  If someone grabs your gun, and they don't know it's there, they won't be able to farking shoot you until they figure out how to pop it out.

If you carry an unholstered Glock, with one in the chamber, you're a farking idiot not to have one of these in place.  It does NOTHING to decrease your safety, and a shiat ton to increase it.


That's one of the reasons I chose a Heckler & Koch USP over a Glock.  I just like having a manual safety,
 
2013-12-31 11:37:23 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: You know that that one is utter and total bullshiat.


Which is why I included the total range instead of hand picking any individual study.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Let's double your brandishing-saved-my-racist-butt low end and ask:


Dude, are you off your meds?  How did racism get involved in this?

demaL-demaL-yeH: How many of those 300,000 situations would have been avoided by an unarmed person? Would you concede more than half?


It's Impossible to even to begin to accurately speculate on the possibility of avoiding a crime without even knowing the nature of the crimes that were stopped by the defensive use of a firearm, much less the mindset of the person involved in the DGU.

You're just randomly throwing crap against the wall to see what sticks.

demaL-demaL-yeH: And, since we're asking, how many of the 100,000 plus Americans who sprout bullet holes every year would be whole and unholed if there weren't any fearful idiots walking around armed in public?


So, are you now claiming that a significant portion of 100K American injured with a firearm every year are injured because a person legally carrying a firearm illegally shot them?  That should be rather easy for you to prove if it were so.

demaL-demaL-yeH: how many of those have you dissuaded or actively prevented from having a permit to walk around armed in public?


I will not pass anyone who has an unsafe attitude in class, displays unsafe gun handling or fails the practical shooting test.

I will however suggest they take my Taser class. :) (except the unsafe attitude folks who can bugger off.  The unsafe handling people can take the class again and again until I'm certain they know which way the barrel goes.)


demaL-demaL-yeH: One follow-up: How many have you persuaded to give up their firearms or had the civil authorities disarm for cause?


You're kidding right?
 
2013-12-31 11:39:23 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.

I'm sorry to hear about your incredible fear of the unlikely.  I've never had one friend or their extended family, o ...

Unlikely? An average of five fires in your home during your lifetime puts it right up there with being involved in an automobile accident. Anecdotes != data. (And your family and friends are, statistically speaking, liars.) A fire extinguisher in the home, or in your car, or by your barbecue, can keep an accident from becoming a fire that the professionals tell you you shouldn't fight. And your neighbors at the local volunteer fire department will be more than happy to teach you that difference.

Hmm. Overall annual rate of firearm injury or death: 33.1/100,000, so 0.003 annual. Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms. You're right, I was off by an order of magnitude.

I've never said that only police should have firearms. As a matter of fact, I've espoused a return to the Founders' Militia - every sane, noncriminal, non-conscientious objector legal resident 16 and older regularly trains with firearms under penalty of law for not participating. I have said that walking around armed in public is, on its face, evidence of fear (and a sign of mental illness) absent a direct threat to your person, or a job requirement, or your presence in a combat zone - oh, and for hunting -, and I stand by that.


So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they? Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?
Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.
And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!
 
2013-12-31 01:43:06 PM

Farkage: So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they? Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?
Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.
And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA



The vast majority of concealed weapons carriers are drug dealers and gang members.  True story!
 
2013-12-31 01:48:42 PM

Farkage: So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they?


*clicks TFA*
I have a sudden shooting pain in my wallet area. Yeah, people with CCWs never, ever negligently discharge their firearms. They're farking paragons, like their instructors.
(And half of suicides aren't accomplished with firearms, either.)
But I like how you choose a tiny subset of the problem to claim that there isn't a problem. Here's another jerk who should have never had a concealed carry license.  And  another. And another pair.

Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?

*looks at links above*
What you imagine I wrote is far more interesting that what I really wrote. You might have a future in speculative fiction - apply to the editorial board of the Wall Street Urinal, or FoxNews, or some other Murdoch media property. You might even have a shot a breaking into the mass-production market for straw men.
Gang members and drug dealers? I don't hang out with them.
(Ooh, look: Another potential straw man for you! You can call me racist for not hanging out with those people. That's why you walk around armed - you're justifiably afraid of those gang members and drug dealers in lily-white wherever the fark you're living.)
Gun hate? Just how farking selectively blind are you?

Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.

Personally speaking, I'm less than amused with the way you reject my actual arguments and substitute your own, mainly because you claim that I made them.

And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!

See that? Where did I write that?

More than half of all fatal shootings are suicides. According to WISQARS, the CDC database, there are an additional 14,000-19,000 accidental shootings, plus another 600 fatal accidental shootings annually, which gives us, picking the middle value for accidental shootings (19,000 (successful firearm suicides) + 3400 (firearm suicide attempts) + 16,500 (accidental shootings) + 600 (accidental shooting deaths) =  at least 39,400 absolutely, positively unnecessary shootings, not counting homicides, out of ~108,000 every year. They would not have happened had there been no firearms on hand. (One could get pedantic and argue that no shootings would have happened had there be no firearms on hand, but I'll leave pedantry to you, since you like it so much.)

The on-purpose shootings are mostly by family members/roommates/significant others "settling" arguments, but go on. I'm sure you have some more straw men queued up against arguments I never made.
 
2013-12-31 02:02:52 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: So the fires ACTUALLY NOT HAPPENING makes me a liar. Nice logic there Skippy. And by the way, the overwhelmingly vast majority of firearms 'incidents' (wounds, deaths, etc) aren't caused by ccw holders now are they?

*clicks TFA*
I have a sudden shooting pain in my wallet area. Yeah, people with CCWs never, ever negligently discharge their firearms. They're farking paragons, like their instructors.
(And half of suicides aren't accomplished with firearms, either.)
But I like how you choose a tiny subset of the problem to claim that there isn't a problem. Here's another jerk who should have never had a concealed carry license.  And  another. And another pair.

Gang members, drug dealers, etc do wonders for your gun hate though, don't they?

*looks at links above*
What you imagine I wrote is far more interesting that what I really wrote. You might have a future in speculative fiction - apply to the editorial board of the Wall Street Urinal, or FoxNews, or some other Murdoch media property. You might even have a shot a breaking into the mass-production market for straw men.
Gang members and drug dealers? I don't hang out with them.
(Ooh, look: Another potential straw man for you! You can call me racist for not hanging out with those people. That's why you walk around armed - you're justifiably afraid of those gang members and drug dealers in lily-white wherever the fark you're living.)
Gun hate? Just how farking selectively blind are you?

Again, please don't let facts get in the way of your own little sense if reality.

Personally speaking, I'm less than amused with the way you reject my actual arguments and substitute your own, mainly because you claim that I made them.

And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!

See that? Where did I write that?

More than half of all fatal shootings are suicide ...


Let's see...  Quoted from your previous post, "Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms."
And yeah, the suicide thing is a non-argument with me since I know people firsthand that killed themselves quite nicely without a fiream, so in less than 1 minute your numbers are cut in half.
And regarding your source of data, from the source itself, "The number of nonfatal injuries presented in WISQARS Nonfatal are national estimates...".
You are less amusing than other things I have to do today, so I'll leave it at that.
 
2013-12-31 02:21:29 PM

Farkage: And yeah, the suicide thing is a non-argument with me since I know people firsthand that killed themselves quite nicely without a fiream, so in less than 1 minute your numbers are cut in half.


So dead isn't dead, and countries that have limited access to firearms *cough Australia cough* haven't seen declines in their suicide and homicide rates. Active imagination you have there.

Farkage: "The number of nonfatal injuries presented in WISQARS Nonfatal are national estimates...".


Goodness knows, the incompetent statisticians at the CDC (because farking epidemiologists and actuaries aren't known for their statistical abilities) can't extrapolate to the population at large from a sample that includes more than half of the country.

You are farking delusional.
 
2013-12-31 02:36:54 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: And yeah, the suicide thing is a non-argument with me since I know people firsthand that killed themselves quite nicely without a fiream, so in less than 1 minute your numbers are cut in half.

So dead isn't dead, and countries that have limited access to firearms *cough Australia cough* haven't seen declines in their suicide and homicide rates. Active imagination you have there.

Farkage: "The number of nonfatal injuries presented in WISQARS Nonfatal are national estimates...".

Goodness knows, the incompetent statisticians at the CDC (because farking epidemiologists and actuaries aren't known for their statistical abilities) can't extrapolate to the population at large from a sample that includes more than half of the country.

You are farking delusional.



Their 95% confidence interval (on a quick check) went from 35ish thousand to 117ish thousand.  It was based on a sample size of 1700 people.  Now, when Kleck came out with More Guns = Less Crime he was in basically the same boat and got torn a new one over extrapolating.  This is entry level stuff here, and I have a 6 Sigma black belt so I'm guessing I know a metric shiat ton more about statistics that you do there captain pathetic.  And Australia is battling rising gun crime in case you are too farking stupid to look into it yourself.  So are many of the other "Look!  We passed these laws because EMOTIONS!!!" type countries.
 
2013-12-31 02:38:27 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.


Your statistics do not cover all defensive gun uses.  Not all defensive gun uses involve shooting.   Not all defensive gun uses are against human threats.  Dogs and wild animals very often attack people...  and many attacks by other humans have been thwarted merely by present the firearm.
 
2013-12-31 02:42:08 PM

Mr.BobDobalita: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: demaL-demaL-yeH: Dimensio: Click Click D'oh: Bane of Broone:I'm so glad I don't live in fear.

Ah yes, that tired old tripe.  If one knows how to properly use a firearm, it's clearly because they live in fear.  Glad you could chime in with something productive.

People who carry firearms in public are paranoid sociopaths. They are paranoid because violent crime with random victims never happens anywhere, ever, and they are sociopaths because they have decided that their lives are more important than those of violent criminals.

Go change your underoos. You've already shown your true color.
/Hint: It's yellow.
//Like the piddle you're standing in.

I am already aware that you are terrified of citizens legally carrying firearms in public, and that you project your fear onto those who do not actually share it.

To recap your claim:
I don't carry a firearm in public, but you do.
On your home planet, that makes  me afraid.
And, again, on your home planet, I'm projecting my fear, because I'm the one not walking around armed in public.

Do you own a fire extinguisher?  If so, why are you so terrified of your house catching on fire?  I can't imagine living with that kind of fear.  You should get therapy...

In an average lifetime, your house will catch fire five (5) times. (This does not include car fires and yard/landscaping/other exterior fires.
In an average lifetime, your chance of being involved in a shooting or shot dead (0.003): 0.024 percent (~1/4300). You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.
You are more than 20,000 times better off carrying a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit with you everywhere you go than a firearm.
To answer your question more directly: Damned straight I have fire extinguishers and first aid kits.

Your statistics do not cover all defensive gun uses.  Not all defensive gun uses involve shooting.   Not all defensi ...


Don't get him all worked up by presenting facts.  He has an issue with those.
 
2013-12-31 02:44:59 PM
Farkage:
Don't get him all worked up by presenting facts.  He has an issue with those.


Most anti-gunners don't care about facts anyway, so I'm not surprised.  (not that I presented much in the way of facts and citations, but I could...  I'm just saying there are more variables to his equation)
 
2013-12-31 02:45:05 PM

Click Click D'oh: Dude, are you off your meds?  How did racism get involved in this?


Look at the ethnic makeup of your classes and get back to me on that. (White, male, and over forty should ring a bell.)


Click Click D'oh: It's Impossible to even to begin to accurately speculate on the possibility of avoiding a crime without even knowing the nature of the crimes that were stopped by the defensive use of a firearm, much less the mindset of the person involved in the DGU.


Tell me, oh great sensei, how is it that people who go out dressed for trouble tend to find it, while people who do not do not?

Listen up, Grasshopper: It is better to avoid than to block,  It is better to block than to strike,  It is better to strike than to hurt,  It is better to hurt than to maim,  It is better to maim than to kill,  It is better to kill than to be killed,  All life is precious and none can be replaced.
Your first resort should be "Run away!"


Click Click D'oh: So, are you now claiming that a significant portion of 100K American injured with a firearm every year are injured because a person legally carrying a firearm illegally shot them?  That should be rather easy for you to prove if it were so.


You're right. It should be. But Tiahrt of Brownbackistan made that next to impossible, now didn't he?


Click Click D'oh: I will not pass anyone who has an unsafe attitude in class, displays unsafe gun handling or fails the practical shooting test.


I was actually referring to the "fug-buck nuts", but ...

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: One follow-up: How many have you persuaded to give up their firearms or had the civil authorities disarm for cause?

You're kidding right?


Ah, I see you addressed that.
 
2013-12-31 02:57:30 PM

Click Click D'oh: ...and since no one on Fark knows the name of my training company or where I operate, trying to fill my classes by posting on Fark would be about the stupidest advertising attempt ever conceived.


PS dittybopper would advise you not to test me on this particular, tex.
 
2013-12-31 02:58:57 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Look at the ethnic makeup of your classes and get back to me on that. (White, male, and over forty should ring a bell.)


I hold spanish language classes twice a month.  That's 50% of my classes for people that can't count weekends.  One weekend a month I do a women only class. 'Splain to me again the over 40 white male composition of my classes.

demaL-demaL-yeH: Tell me, oh great sensei, how is it that people who go out dressed for trouble tend to find it, while people who do not do not?


Dispatch tells us where to go.

demaL-demaL-yeH: You're right. It should be. But Tiahrt of Brownbackistan made that next to impossible, now didn't he?


You don't even know what the Tiahrt Amendment did do you?  It's just like a boggieman for you.  To be thrown out and frighten the children with the very mention of it's name.

demaL-demaL-yeH: I was actually referring to the "fug-buck nuts", but ...


I think you missed a left turn back near Albuquerque, because I think you're off the path.
 
2013-12-31 03:00:12 PM

Farkage: Their 95% confidence interval (on a quick check) went from 35ish thousand to 117ish thousand.  It was based on a sample size of 1700 people.  Now, when Kleck came out with More Guns = Less Crime he was in basically the same boat and got torn a new one over extrapolating.  This is entry level stuff here, and I have a 6 Sigma black belt so I'm guessing I know a metric shiat ton more about statistics that you do there captain pathetic.  And Australia is battling rising gun crime in case you are too farking stupid to look into it yourself.  So are many of the other "Look!  We passed these laws because EMOTIONS!!!" type countries.


What distresses me is that I may have taught you or one of your instructors.
 
2013-12-31 03:01:18 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: PS dittybopper would advise you not to test me on this particular, tex.


Like I care if some random person on the internet with too much time on his hands finds out the name of my training company.  I give out business cards with it on them all day long.

Oh noes, someone might find out the name of an advertised and publicly registered corporation!!!
 
2013-12-31 03:05:40 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Their 95% confidence interval (on a quick check) went from 35ish thousand to 117ish thousand.  It was based on a sample size of 1700 people.  Now, when Kleck came out with More Guns = Less Crime he was in basically the same boat and got torn a new one over extrapolating.  This is entry level stuff here, and I have a 6 Sigma black belt so I'm guessing I know a metric shiat ton more about statistics that you do there captain pathetic.  And Australia is battling rising gun crime in case you are too farking stupid to look into it yourself.  So are many of the other "Look!  We passed these laws because EMOTIONS!!!" type countries.

What distresses me is that I may have taught you or one of your instructors.


What I find more distressing is your willingness to lean on false logic.  Oh well, like the saying goes, you can't change a persons mind with logic and reason if they made up their mind by consciously avoiding logic and reason.
 
2013-12-31 03:13:08 PM

Click Click D'oh: You don't even know what the Tiahrt Amendment did do you?  It's just like a boggieman for you.  To be thrown out and frighten the children with the very mention of it's name.


Dickey of Arkansas - CDC research.

Tiahrt - trace.

/Must work on my mnemonics.
 
2013-12-31 03:17:15 PM

Click Click D'oh: ...and since no one on Fark knows the name of my training company or where I operate, trying to fill my classes by posting on Fark would be about the stupidest advertising attempt ever conceived.



Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: PS dittybopper would advise you not to test me on this particular, tex.

Like I care if some random person on the internet with too much time on his hands finds out the name of my training company.  I give out business cards with it on them all day long.

Oh noes, someone might find out the name of an advertised and publicly registered corporation!!!


Don't throw down the gantlet, and nobody will pick it up.
/cf. Going out dressed for trouble.
 
2013-12-31 03:18:54 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Dickey of Arkansas - CDC research.

Tiahrt - trace.


How does the Tiahrt Amendments blocking of non-law enforcement agencies access to ATF trace information impede the ability to determine if legal CHL holders are shooting people illegally?   That information is already reported.
 
2013-12-31 03:22:21 PM

Farkage: What I find more distressing is your willingness to lean on false logic.  Oh well, like the saying goes, you can't change a persons mind with logic and reason if they made up their mind by consciously avoiding logic and reason.


So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.

Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)
 
2013-12-31 03:32:10 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.


Why do I carry a zippo (don't smoke), pocket knife and small flashlight every where I go?  Does that make me mentally Ill too for carrying around items that only fill an exceptionally narrow role which is unlikely to occur during a normal day?

Or is it actually rational and entirely sane to be prepared to deal with unlikely scenarios as long as you don't unduly go out of your way or otherwise burden yourself to do so?

A few discrete and easy to carry items in my pockets that will otherwise go completely unnoticed in day to day life, but may make an important difference in the unlikely event that they are needed.  Just the same with a handgun isn't it?
 
2013-12-31 03:35:36 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: What I find more distressing is your willingness to lean on false logic.  Oh well, like the saying goes, you can't change a persons mind with logic and reason if they made up their mind by consciously avoiding logic and reason.

So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.

Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)



Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right?  Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.
 
2013-12-31 03:39:04 PM

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?
You haven't mentioned crazy ex or restraining orders.
It isn't hunting season.
The entirety of the US isn't a combat zone. (I'll let you know when it becomes one.)
Since you're a black belt with statisticles, your job doesn't require you to be armed.

That leaves walking around afraid/mentally ill.

Why do I carry a zippo (don't smoke), pocket knife and small flashlight every where I go?  Does that make me mentally Ill too for carrying around items that only fill an exceptionally narrow role which is unlikely to occur during a normal day?

Or is it actually rational and entirely sane to be prepared to deal with unlikely scenarios as long as you don't unduly go out of your way or otherwise burden yourself to do so?

A few discrete and easy to carry items in my pockets that will otherwise go completely unnoticed in day to day life, but may make an important difference in the unlikely event that they are needed.  Just the same with a handgun isn't it?


I'm sure it's a legally registered small capacity zippo, right?  Otherwise he'll think you're an arsonist waiting to happen...
 
2013-12-31 04:35:03 PM

Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right?  Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.


I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.
 
2013-12-31 04:37:46 PM

Click Click D'oh: Why do I carry a zippo (don't smoke), pocket knife and small flashlight every where I go?


You're a stabby pyro who attacks under cover of darkness.
/Which makes a hell of a lot more sense than walking around in public armed with a bullet launcher.
 
2013-12-31 04:40:05 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right?  Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.

I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.


How cute.  You have absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.  Aren't you prescious.
 
2013-12-31 04:54:19 PM

Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right? Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.

I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.

How cute.  You have absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.  Aren't you prescious.


Your entire logical "argument" is built of straw and fear. You haven't made a statement to refute.
Aren't you precocious?
 
2013-12-31 05:07:20 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: demaL-demaL-yeH: Farkage: Trot out your logic. And your statisticles.
/(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.  I took the 95% confidence interval from memory off the page, so it may have been off by a little, but it was close.
And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.  I have a CCW permit and I have carried...twice.  Both times were when I thought it would be prudent, and I'm not afraid when I go out either with a firearm or without.
I'd like to see you walk through a place like Detroit, for example, carrying a thousand dollar camera and not think it just may be a good idea to carry.  After all, most times in that situation, someone probably won't just politely ask you for it, right? Or do you have your own statistics that say otherwise?  So you can continue being an all knowing douche that is morally superior enough to everyone else to dictate what they do and when based on what you know from your own living room, but that makes you no more of a tool than when Bloomberg goes on about gun control from behind his own army of provately paid and heavily armed guards.

I ask for logic and statisticles, and I get hay fever and fear instead.
Go change yourself. It's cold.

How cute.  You have absolutely nothing to refute anything I said.  Aren't you prescious.

Your entire logical "argument" is built of straw and fear. You haven't made a statement to refute.
Aren't you precocious?



Well, given that I took apart your "statistics" and really got nothing but the sound of crickets from you, why bother?
Let's go back, shall we?

demaL-demaL-yeH: You can reduce your chance of being involved in a shooting by more than a third (35%) simply by not having a firearm.


Farkage: And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs.


demaL-demaL-yeH: And again, that whole thing about being 35% more likely to get shot if you own a gun is laughable bs. Please stop supporting your claims by going to biased sources or I'll start quoting the NRA because DATA!

See that? Where did I write that?



Farkage: Let's see... Quoted from your previous post, "Pretending there are no repeat customers, 0.231 over a lifetime, which is reduced by more than 35% (suicide and shot in your own home by accident or angry relative) if you don't have firearms."


You: Crickets...

demaL-demaL-yeH: /(You lied about WISQARS, by the way.)


Farkage: Nope, I copied and pasted the quote from their website.


You: Crickets

demaL-demaL-yeH: So trot out your logic, then. What real threat requires you to walk around armed?


Farkage: And I don't walk around armed, but it's cute that in your infinite knowlege of all things firearm related that you think I do.


You: DEEEERP BUT YOU'RE AFRAID!!!

You've got nothing.
 
2013-12-31 05:40:08 PM

Farkage: Well, given that I took apart your "statistics" and really got nothing but the sound of crickets from you, why bother?
Let's go back, shall we?


OK.
19,000 (successful firearm suicides) + 3400 (firearm suicide attempts) + 17,500 (accidental shootings) + 600 (accidental shooting deaths) =  a reduction of 40,500 out of ~108,000 Americans afflicted with firearm-unlucky sudden onset bullethole syndrome in 2012.

Think the CDC is wrong?
Pony up your own statisticals, which I've repeatedly requested - just don't pull them from your fourth point of contact.
Upthread, somebody commented on the mysterious fall in firearm murder rates, given firearm sales. I find that the relation between a fall in firearm deaths and a greater number firearms owned by a much smaller percentage of the population far less mysterious than, say, tides are to Mr. O'Reilly.

Ad hominem, strawman, and fear (take a walk in Detroit with a $1K camera, for example) do not an argument make.
 
2013-12-31 06:23:34 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: 19,000 (successful firearm suicides) + 3400 (firearm suicide attempts) + 17,500 (accidental shootings) + 600 (accidental shooting deaths) = a reduction of 40,500 out of ~108,000 Americans afflicted with firearm-unlucky sudden onset bullethole syndrome in 2012.


There's at least one major problem here... nothing in your numbers indicates firearms ownership.  For all your stats indicate, every single one of those people accidentally injured by a firearm could have been bow hunting for deer and accidentally shot by predator hunters a mile away.  Also, for all your statistics indicate, the suicides could have all gone to a gun range, rented a gun and killed themselves.

Ownership not connected to shooting injury in your stats.

Ergo, your numbers can't be used to support a claim that not possessing a gun will make you less likely to be shot.
 
2013-12-31 07:35:20 PM
 
2013-12-31 07:37:16 PM

Click Click D'oh: Ergo, your numbers can't be used to support a claim that not possessing a gun will make you less likely to be shot.


Did I say "d'oh" already?
 
2013-12-31 07:47:36 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Click Click D'oh: Ownership not connected to shooting injury in your stats.

/D'oh.


Did you miss the part where you are introducing a completely different set of information than the CDC data which using?
 
2013-12-31 07:51:18 PM

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: Click Click D'oh: Ownership not connected to shooting injury in your stats.

/D'oh.

Did you miss the part where you are introducing a completely different set of information than the CDC data which using?


Read that abstract again, tex.
 
2013-12-31 07:57:36 PM

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: Click Click D'oh: Ownership not connected to shooting injury in your stats.

/D'oh.

Did you miss the part where you are introducing a completely different set of information than the CDC data which using?


FTFAbstract:
"We conducted a negative binomial regression analysis of panel data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010."

/D'ohccord?
 
2013-12-31 11:29:44 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: "We conducted a negative binomial regression analysis of panel data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010."

/D'ohccord?


CDC WISQARS doesn't have ownership data.  If your new study is based on the CDC  WISQARS data, where did the ownership information come from?
 
2013-12-31 11:40:31 PM

Click Click D'oh: demaL-demaL-yeH: "We conducted a negative binomial regression analysis of panel data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010."

/D'ohccord?

CDC WISQARS doesn't have ownership data.  If your new study is based on the CDC  WISQARS data, where did the ownership information come from?


Jebus.

RTFullFA.
And the notes.
And the biblio.
Make sure you understand the methodology and validity tests run before you attempt to critique it.
Then get back to me.

/I won't hold you hand when you take a whiz, either.
 
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