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2013-12-30 08:35:40 PM  
A lot of people in this thread not familiar with Stanhope I see. I've always wondered what the average Farker would think of his comedy (not this story, this isn't really comedy). He's a staunch Athiest, pro abortion (not choice, I mean abortion), anti-government Libertarian. He's pretty far out there on the shock side. A funny farker if you can get past the shock.
 
2013-12-30 08:37:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.


No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.
 
2013-12-30 08:39:26 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: NEDM: You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.

Is charity raised through spite less meaningful than charity raised through sincere compassion?

It's still over a hundred grand that was donated to a person in need.


It's still spite.  You can help someone out of spite for other victims, but you can't pretend to be spreading "love for your fellow man" while you're doing it.  Would you say the same thing if the KKK donated a massive pile of money to a white victim of a tornado to spite their black neighbors?

/apologies for the quasi-Godwin
 
2013-12-30 08:39:43 PM  
I have no problem with Christians. It's the biblical literalism idiots. Pretty much refuted for almost half a thousand years.

Seriously, how can you NOT see that it's allegorical. It's written a very long time after the fact and cobbled together from tribal stories. Translated and re-translated and edited.

A classical education and a bit of knowledge of ancient histories and religions throws a grain of salt into things.

Just count who was saved from water sometime.

Juno? Zeus?
 
2013-12-30 08:40:01 PM  

part of the problem: This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.


Yes. He is a dick. He admits it. He is proud of it. He is a professional comedian after all.

But I am glad he did it so we could have this thread. Because reading through this thread I was able to clearly see what real christian morals are.

Hate and bitterness. Rushing to paint an entire unrelated group with a poison brush because of the actions of one person.

It is funny. Normally I am commenting on all the lies and misrepresentation from christians but this thread is full of honesty in this thread. Bravo!

I love it. Who needs to bash christians? Just read the words of christians if you want to see what they are really like.
 
2013-12-30 08:41:32 PM  

mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".


Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group
 
2013-12-30 08:43:15 PM  

steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.


And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.
 
2013-12-30 08:43:16 PM  

truthseeker2083: steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.

You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'

No I get the point and its to try and say how religion is so horrible therefore it must be abolished to save humanity.

An old persons opinion of how it used to be is not representative of the entire faith.

No his point was one person speaking about "being a prick" as an athiest no more represents athiests all around like one douche christian saying "thank god for 9/11" represents christians all around. Context matters. Read the post he was responding to and maybe you'll see that... or maybe not.


I get that too, the problem is almost every single atheist I have ever met acts like a prick at the slightest little perceived wrong. And most of the time they are just being the person looking like an ass.
 
2013-12-30 08:44:42 PM  

steamingpile: Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown.


See ... here is some of the dishonesty I have come to expect from christians.

You know that the vast majority of people who call themselves atheist to not make positive claims of the non-existence of gods. That we "accept that there is an unknown". We just ask that any claims to know things are supported by evidence.

But you post this dishonest crap anyway. Typical religious person who can't argue the truth so you have to lie.
 
2013-12-30 08:44:47 PM  

part of the problem: I didn't know that about the book of Dawkins... but it explains a lot. I'm simply holding up a mirror to crazy... if some people see themselves in it, maybe it will, eventually, cause them to stop and think about their preconceived notions. I don't like fundamentalists of any persuasion. People who believe that they are superior to others because God is on their side and people who believe they are superior to others because they were clever enough to figure out there isn't a God are both exactly as dangerous to everyone else.


It's good to see that you think you are superior to those people who think they are superior.

A got a hearty laugh out of your lack of self-awareness.
 
2013-12-30 08:47:02 PM  

steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.

You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'

No I get the point and its to try and say how religion is so horrible therefore it must be abolished to save humanity.

An old persons opinion of how it used to be is not representative of the entire faith.

No his point was one person speaking about "being a prick" as an athiest no more represents athiests all around like one douche christian saying "thank god for 9/11" represents christians all around. Context matters. Read the post he was responding to and maybe you'll see that... or maybe not.

I get that too, the problem is almost every single atheist I have ever met acts like a prick at the slightest little perceived wrong. And most of the time they are just being the person looking like an ass.


And I could say the same about most christians I've met. You don't grow up gay in the south and not run into people being assholes in the name of christ. At least the atheists haven't put their prickishness into law... I still can't get married because christians think two men together is "wrong". Which group is more prickish again?
 
2013-12-30 08:47:55 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


Well thank God you are here to be spiteful!

Praise the Lord I lived! Too bad he killed off all those other people. That's sad. But YAY! Thank you Jesus for sparing me!

The funny thing is you don't even GET how stupid that is. More important to call other people miserable for pointing how suck ass that philosophy on life is. Good for me! Sucks to be them! Thanks Jesus!
 
2013-12-30 08:48:50 PM  

Farking Canuck: steamingpile: Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown.

See ... here is some of the dishonesty I have come to expect from christians.

You know that the vast majority of people who call themselves atheist to not make positive claims of the non-existence of gods. That we "accept that there is an unknown". We just ask that any claims to know things are supported by evidence.

But you post this dishonest crap anyway. Typical religious person who can't argue the truth so you have to lie.


You say you want evidence, but you don't want evidence.  You want irrefutable proof.  How are you being truthful again?
 
2013-12-30 08:49:39 PM  

omeganuepsilon: steamingpile: Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

You don't read much news do you?  Hell, abortion laws are religious in nature.  So are many marriage laws.

Not to forget things like Dominionism in Polk County Florida, where atheists actuall get jailed, and the religious publicly pray that non believers will get turned away or imprisoned rather than enter their towns.  Parties pushing for things like Sharia Law(I believe this is an issue in the UK, so it's not only a US problem, or whatever the native american equivalent would be(obviously, that one is specifically an american problem).  Atheists, the world over, are persecuted, if not on the scale that the Jews were, it does still happen.

You sound extremely ignorant or deluded, not sure which.

Google "persecution of atheists" and visit reality once in a while.  A lot more shiat goes on than you are pretending.


You're full of shiat, because you pulled one county out of Florida that I know more about this than you. Atheists are not jailed for their beliefs, they were jailed for blocking public access and roads, they wanted a story so they got it.

The people down there are religious but have a to each their own mental state which is why people are nuts in Florida.
 
2013-12-30 08:49:42 PM  

Lee451: Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel?


Thanking god for saving yourself implicitly says that if god chose to save you he also chose not to save all the people who died.

No the people are not thanking god for the deaths of their neighbors but they are saying something about their neighbors ... they were not chosen after all.
 
gja
2013-12-30 08:50:34 PM  

Farking Canuck: part of the problem: This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Yes. He is a dick. He admits it. He is proud of it. He is a professional comedian after all.

But I am glad he did it so we could have this thread. Because reading through this thread I was able to clearly see what real christian morals are.

Hate and bitterness. Rushing to paint an entire unrelated group with a poison brush because of the actions of one person.

It is funny. Normally I am commenting on all the lies and misrepresentation from christians but this thread is full of honesty in this thread. Bravo!

I love it. Who needs to bash christians? Just read the words of christians if you want to see what they are really like.


See highlighted section. Pot.....kettle. Kettle.....pot.
/you just cluter-farked your own argument
 
2013-12-30 08:50:37 PM  

NEDM: TV's Vinnie: Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.

While that mindset is totally wrong, this situation doesn't "debunk" it at all.  Stanhope literally only raised the money as a massive "fark you" to the woman's Christian neighbors.  In his own words:  "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.


This. What's worse is that he set up that woman to be hated by her neighbors/community (or if she already would be, then even more so). In addition to any bias and jealousy, she's now associated with a massive prick.

/not mine
//but for $126K...
 
2013-12-30 08:51:05 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


As a former evangelical christian (in full recovery) yes, that is EXACTLY how you think. Well THEY died, probably because of something they DID. I lived because I'm right with God!

It's about as petty and spiteful as one can get. Congratulations on being a miserable human being. Don't look too hard in that mirror...
 
2013-12-30 08:51:11 PM  
TV's Vinnie:

Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.


Except it was done to spite religious people and not out of compassion for a fellow human being. So, yeah...
 
2013-12-30 08:51:37 PM  

NEDM: It's still spite. You can help someone out of spite for other victims, but you can't pretend to be spreading "love for your fellow man" while you're doing it. Would you say the same thing if the KKK donated a massive pile of money to a white victim of a tornado to spite their black neighbors?

/apologies for the quasi-Godwin


It's still a net positive increase of charity in the world, so maybe we need a new word that signifies both doing some good for your fellow man and giving the finger to somebody else at the same time. That said, I probably wouldn't accept any money from the KKK just because the implication would be that I agree with their ideology. I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.
 
2013-12-30 08:52:29 PM  

budrojr: You say you want evidence, but you don't want evidence. You want irrefutable proof. How are you being truthful again?


Another lie.

I want evidence. The kind of evidence that has some value. Not anecdotes about feelings ... not bible fan-fiction ... and not claims of absolute certainty any time some real evidence could point in a direction you like.
 
2013-12-30 08:53:36 PM  
mediablitz:

As a former evangelical christian (in full recovery) yes, that is EXACTLY how you think.

No it is not and you damned well know it. But thanks for your support of the stereotypes.
 
2013-12-30 08:53:50 PM  
I hereby proclaim I don't believe in jesus.

/fark you, pay me.
//DRTFA
 
gja
2013-12-30 08:56:20 PM  

C18H27NO3: I hereby proclaim I don't believe in jesus.

/fark you, pay me.
//DRTFA


splinteredsunrise.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-30 08:57:07 PM  

gja: See highlighted section. Pot.....kettle. Kettle.....pot.
/you just cluter-farked your own argument


Good try.

Except one tiny problem. I wasn't talking about all christians. I was talking explicitly about all the christians who posted hateful posts in this thread.

I should have been more explicit. I'll give you that. But my post was all about looking at all the christian hate in this thread, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to the creators of these posts.

You can pretend that I was talking about all christians though. It really wouldn't surprise me.
 
2013-12-30 08:58:19 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.


Here's the thing: he was trying to piss off a particular group of Christians, not in general.  Specifically, her Christian neighbors.

The same Christian neighbors who were also victims of the same tornado she was.
 
2013-12-30 08:59:36 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

When a true Christian gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.


I don't see why this would "piss off the Christians".  is guy is definitely trying to imply that the Christans would not help her. I seriously doubt  that this is the case. Helping/tending to non-believes is one way Christians evangelize, by showing that God cares for everyone and that they are working for Him.

After all the whining that Phil Robertson is a bigot I see the atheists are certainly no better, desite their smug claims of intellectual and moral authority.

If this guy wanted to show how compassionate atheists are he could have raised money tohelp al the victims. But no, he only helped her to satisfy his own (very petty) desires. He could have acted as if he cared about the woman but he makes no mention of that
 
2013-12-30 09:00:39 PM  

Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.


I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family function. Christ it wasn't even in the home it was in the backyard and they only saw it because they had to walk through to use the bathroom then came out screaming how dare she display that!!!

Numerous interactions with them through work and no matter what you say they won't back down, fark I even got my ordained minister uncle to back down on topics but atheists are harder to argue with than a brick wall.

One time I got my cousin to finally listen when I said how can you be so sure god can't exist? When she said there's no way you can be sure since there is no proof he exists I just said she has no proof he doesn't exist. She's agnostic now and avoids other cousins like I do, I'm willing to accept there's a very, very strong probability god or a higher power doesn't exist but if there could be even a slight chance it does exist why be so biatchy about it?
 
gja
2013-12-30 09:01:38 PM  

Farking Canuck: gja: See highlighted section. Pot.....kettle. Kettle.....pot.
/you just cluter-farked your own argument

Good try.

Except one tiny problem. I wasn't talking about all christians. I was talking explicitly about all the christians who posted hateful posts in this thread.

I should have been more explicit. I'll give you that. But my post was all about looking at all the christian hate in this thread, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to the creators of these posts.

You can pretend that I was talking about all christians though. It really wouldn't surprise me.


Well you did NOT specify, and it came off just that way. So, thanks for the clarification.

If you take the retort on relation to the way you did post, it was a valid one.

I for one am glad you admit some of us christians (even if many of us only keep a select part of it) can be better than that. I know I try.

Tone and inference is damned hard in black and white type friend.
 
2013-12-30 09:04:48 PM  
Nemo's Brother: The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

What about on this site? In this thread? No hatred from christians?

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

What is odd? He clearly admitted his reasons were not altruistic. He is a professional comedian doing something dickish to be funny. Why is this surprising?

When a true Christian Scotsman gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.

FIFY
 
2013-12-30 09:06:18 PM  

steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...


So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.
 
2013-12-30 09:06:21 PM  

mediablitz: Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group

Well thank God you are here to be spiteful!

Praise the Lord I lived! Too bad he killed off all those other people. That's sad. But YAY! Thank you Jesus for sparing me!

The funny thing is you don't even GET how stupid that is. More important to call other people miserable for pointing how suck ass that philosophy on life is. Good for me! Sucks to be them! Thanks Jesus!


And how was what I said "spiteful"?
 
gja
2013-12-30 09:07:21 PM  

Farking Canuck: Nemo's Brother: The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

What about on this site? In this thread? No hatred from christians?

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

What is odd? He clearly admitted his reasons were not altruistic. He is a professional comedian doing something dickish to be funny. Why is this surprising?

When a true  good Christian Scotsman gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.

FIFY


There, that's the way it SHOULD read.
 
2013-12-30 09:08:30 PM  

NEDM: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.

Here's the thing: he was trying to piss off a particular group of Christians, not in general.  Specifically, her Christian neighbors.

The same Christian neighbors who were also victims of the same tornado she was.


Was there any real harm caused to them by somebody else receiving money in addition to the money everybody was already getting from the Red Cross and such? If someone raised some extra money for one of my neighbors after a catastrophe to spite me, I'd be like "Uh, you just helped someone in a difficult situation. You sure showed me." It's not like Stanhope set up a reverse charity to steal donations already given to the neighbors.
 
2013-12-30 09:10:03 PM  

Farking Canuck: steamingpile: Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown.

See ... here is some of the dishonesty I have come to expect from christians.

You know that the vast majority of people who call themselves atheist to not make positive claims of the non-existence of gods. That we "accept that there is an unknown". We just ask that any claims to know things are supported by evidence.


Uh, no. "Accepting there is an unknown" is agnostic. I am an atheist, and I and the other atheists I know think religion is all fairy tales and superstition, and there is no God. I'm just not a prick who shoves it in other people's faces.

Of course, I can't speak for all atheists. Regarding the "vast majority" you speak of: [citation needed]. (Seriously, I'd be interested in survey results on the subject.)
 
2013-12-30 09:15:44 PM  

gerbilpox: Uh, no. "Accepting there is an unknown" is agnostic. I am an atheist, and I and the other atheists I know think religion is all fairy tales and superstition, and there is no God. I'm just not a prick who shoves it in other people's faces.

Of course, I can't speak for all atheists. Regarding the "vast majority" you speak of: [citation needed]. (Seriously, I'd be interested in survey results on the subject.)


Here we go again. A religious person either insisting that we use his definition of the word that we choose to call ourselves or simply building a strawman.

So which is it? Are you a semantics dick or do you just like to use dishonesty in your arguments??

For the record. I (and every atheist I know and have ever met) use the original definition of the word from the Greek atheos ... which directly translates to 'without god'. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without god. I am an atheist.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like what word I choose to call myself. But you do not get to tell me what I believe. Not if you are honest anyway.
 
2013-12-30 09:15:56 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: NEDM: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.

Here's the thing: he was trying to piss off a particular group of Christians, not in general.  Specifically, her Christian neighbors.

The same Christian neighbors who were also victims of the same tornado she was.

Was there any real harm caused to them by somebody else receiving money in addition to the money everybody was already getting from the Red Cross and such? If someone raised some extra money for one of my neighbors after a catastrophe to spite me, I'd be like "Uh, you just helped someone in a difficult situation. You sure showed me." It's not like Stanhope set up a reverse charity to steal donations already given to the neighbors.


It's the motivation behind it.  It's not a case of "I'm helping someone in a difficult situation", it's a case of "I'm making sure this person is better off than you simply because *fark you.*  I hope you're still eating off of FEMA food trucks when she's getting a giant check."  And I ask again, if you've got no problem with it in this instance, would you have a problem with the KKK doing it?
 
2013-12-30 09:16:52 PM  

Paintbox: wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

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I am a Christian, and no Stanhope isn't hurting you guys. At least not in my eyes.
I think Stanhope is a brilliant comedian who makes people think. I agree with a majority of his views, and understand his disdain (and I imagine your disdain as well) for religion.
I share that disdain in some ways, so I practice my religion as I understand it, "live and let live."*
As far as the views I disagree with, I don't sweat it.

*Tempered by alcohol


Bravo!  You could have gone with "do unto to others as you would done unto you" (pretty much the same thing) and I'd have agreed as wholeheartedly.  That's the tenet I think many Christians fail to comprehend although you obviously do.  I was raised Catholic but the best I can define my beliefs is as being agnostic although I'm not sure that completely fits either.

*Also tempered by alcohol
**Alcohol tends to temper
***Favorited
 
2013-12-30 09:19:02 PM  

mediablitz: Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group

As a former evangelical christian (in full recovery) yes, that is EXACTLY how you think. Well THEY died, probably because of something they DID. I lived because I'm right with God!

It's about as petty and spiteful as one can get. Congratulations on being a miserable human being. Don't look too hard in that mirror...


No, that is how YOU think. They weren't thanking God for the dead; it is more likely that they prayed for the families of the deceased to be comforted.
My church sent a cleaning/building crew to Katrina and they still have a crew up in Long Island helping rebuild. How many atheists groups have bothered to help out in times of disaster?
 
2013-12-30 09:21:10 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


If your beliefs are such that you know they conflict with not just 95% of the world's population, that's pretty isolating. Not to mention, every time you decline to participate in a ritual (not praying, saying happy holidays, etc), you know that you're willfully disconnecting yourself from a large segment of society. And when you do discuss those beliefs with someone who thinks differently, you know you're not just telling them they're wrong, you're also telling them that everyone they've ever trusted and loved and that has loved them is wrong too. You'd be miserable in such a situation too.
 
2013-12-30 09:21:44 PM  

Farking Canuck: gerbilpox: Uh, no. "Accepting there is an unknown" is agnostic. I am an atheist, and I and the other atheists I know think religion is all fairy tales and superstition, and there is no God. I'm just not a prick who shoves it in other people's faces.

Of course, I can't speak for all atheists. Regarding the "vast majority" you speak of: [citation needed]. (Seriously, I'd be interested in survey results on the subject.)

Here we go again. A religious person either insisting that we use his definition of the word that we choose to call ourselves or simply building a strawman.

So which is it? Are you a semantics dick or do you just like to use dishonesty in your arguments??

For the record. I (and every atheist I know and have ever met) use the original definition of the word from the Greek atheos ... which directly translates to 'without god'. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without god. I am an atheist.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like what word I choose to call myself. But you do not get to tell me what I believe. Not if you are honest anyway.


Oops ... I usually get that argument from religious people. I read fast so I may have skimmed a bit.

I stand by my point though: You do not get to tell everyone what definition of the words they have to use.

As to your point: Do you believe unicorns are real? Do you accept that maybe they may have existed in the past? If a fossil was found would you reconsider? If many fossils were found independently and verified independently would you reconsider??

If you say yes to any of the above (especially the last one) then, according to your argument, you are agnostic about unicorns.
 
2013-12-30 09:23:56 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Not that Stanhope's actions will get through to them, but good on him anyhow. He didn't have to do anything for anyone, but he did more than anyone who reads these threads ever will, christians and atheists alike.


2/10  One for me responding and another for not capitalizing "Christians".  The extremely broad brush is often a wonderful indicator of a troll attempt.
 
2013-12-30 09:29:26 PM  

NEDM: It's the motivation behind it. It's not a case of "I'm helping someone in a difficult situation", it's a case of "I'm making sure this person is better off than you simply because *fark you.* I hope you're still eating off of FEMA food trucks when she's getting a giant check." And I ask again, if you've got no problem with it in this instance, would you have a problem with the KKK doing it?


I just don't think the motivations matter all that much when the end result is the same. And as I said earlier, I wouldn't personally take money from a group as extreme as the KKK because it would look like I agree with their ideology, but I wouldn't fault anyone else for taking it. It's not like the neighbors aren't entitled to anyone else's charity money. You'd think they'd be happy that one of their own was getting a leg up on rebuilding their life instead of moping around about how insulted they feel.

It just seems like a pointless resentment to carry around, considering the alternative to this one person being helped was no people being helped.
 
2013-12-30 09:33:38 PM  

Lee451: How many atheists groups have bothered to help out in times of disaster?


Depends on if you count the federal government. It has a fairly substantial disaster relief program for a secular institution.
 
2013-12-30 09:38:04 PM  
It's nice to see a real support structure for secular humanists.
 
2013-12-30 09:41:09 PM  

NEDM: TV's Vinnie: Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.

While that mindset is totally wrong, this situation doesn't "debunk" it at all.  Stanhope literally only raised the money as a massive "fark you" to the woman's Christian neighbors.  In his own words:  "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.


Apparently, you haven't been around fundies enough.
 
2013-12-30 09:42:49 PM  
"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it  simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

I hope atheists aren't propping this guy up as some sort of anti christian champion and  crusader because I don't think he'll be very effective.
As to Christians thanking god part, that's just intellectually dishonest to say they are also implying that they are thankful their neighbors got killed! To purposefully imply that was their intention just means you're a dishonest douche.
 
2013-12-30 09:43:00 PM  

Mr. Breeze: TV's Vinnie:

Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.


Except it was done to spite religious people and not out of compassion for a fellow human being. So, yeah...


He helped a woman who wasn't going to bow down to Republican JAY-ZUSS and provided her with the means to escape Oklahoma to a place where her womb isn't the Property of The Church. I think that's Compassion with a capitol C.
 
2013-12-30 09:46:56 PM  
Where do I sign up? I'll do it for $1.26.
 
2013-12-30 09:49:51 PM  

Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...

So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.


I have had hundreds of interactions with atheists and all save one was confrontational starting on their end and keep in mind I'm not even christian, I'm agnostic.

I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.

My point is there are a lot more religious than atheists and if its not oppressive then there is no reason to raise a stink. Most of these people biatch about shiat thats not oppressive at all.

Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.
 
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