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2013-12-30 04:22:38 PM  
Charlie Brooker is awesome, that is all.

/Meh on Stanhope
 
2013-12-30 04:41:25 PM  
Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.
 
2013-12-30 04:53:35 PM  
That's how you troll
 
2013-12-30 04:58:27 PM  
awesome.
 
2013-12-30 05:37:52 PM  
Man, is this some sort of program?  Like Obamacare?  'Cause I'd be willing to SWEAR I don't believe in Baby J for 126 large.
 
2013-12-30 05:49:03 PM  
He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".
 
2013-12-30 05:56:58 PM  
You know, I do understand how a deeply upset and traumatized person can react by "thanking God" for saving them, but it's always annoyed me when athletes talk about how "God" helped them score a touchdown/goal/homerun.

Millions of people in slavery, poverty and despair, but God's gonna focus on your batting average?
 
2013-12-30 06:16:04 PM  
simpsonswiki.com

/oblig
 
2013-12-30 06:23:12 PM  

what_now: You know, I do understand how a deeply upset and traumatized person can react by "thanking God" for saving them, but it's always annoyed me when athletes talk about how "God" helped them score a touchdown/goal/homerun.

Millions of people in slavery, poverty and despair, but God's gonna focus on your batting average?


And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj
 
2013-12-30 06:40:09 PM  

mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".


The same sort that thanks Jesus when it's their neighbors who actually help them.

I had a friend many years ago in Alaska who was on a busy road in a snowstorm when a woman ahead of him lost control and went off the road onto a frozen lake. The surface shattered behind her car and she was sinking.

Everyone stopped, but nobody was doing anything. As the car was going under, Harold, close to 70 at the time, took off his coat and shoes and dived into the icy water, got her out of the car, and pulled her to the bank in freezing temperatures.

The woman excitedly looked each person in the face saying "Thank Jesus! Thank Jesus!" over and over again while they waited for emergency services to show up. She never thanked Harold.
 
2013-12-30 06:47:43 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The woman excitedly looked each person in the face saying "Thank Jesus! Thank Jesus!" over and over again while they waited for emergency services to show up. She never thanked Harold.


Had a religious friend get a flat tire in the pooring rain, at 2 in the morning, in Washington state. Stuck on the side of the road with no cell reception for 3 hours. Her take? "Thank Jesus he waited until I was across the bridge before giving me that flat tire. I would have really been in danger if I got a flat while still on the bridge".

There is no reasoning with that...

what_now: You know, I do understand how a deeply upset and traumatized person can react by "thanking God" for saving them, but it's always annoyed me when athletes talk about how "God" helped them score a touchdown/goal/homerun.

Millions of people in slavery, poverty and despair, but God's gonna focus on your batting average?


In the championship fight in the UFC this weekend, one guy broke his leg, full fracture, and lost. The guy who won thanked God. I thought "thank you God for breaking that man's leg in two?!?!? REALLY?"
 
2013-12-30 06:50:51 PM  

nekom: And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj


Well, except for that time Stevie Johnson did it:
i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-30 06:53:29 PM  
hey Stanhope,say "hi" to your mother for me, ok?
 
2013-12-30 06:54:20 PM  
mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

the same person who thanked the lord for their winning touchdown
 
2013-12-30 06:54:44 PM  

WI241TH: nekom: And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj

Well, except for that time Stevie Johnson did it:
[i.imgur.com image 320x184]


Well that explains why Stevie Johnson has sucked the last two years. God is punishing him for calling him out.
 
2013-12-30 06:55:22 PM  

WI241TH: nekom: And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj

Well, except for that time Stevie Johnson did it:
[i.imgur.com image 320x184]


Stevie Johnson: logically consistent religious person
 
2013-12-30 06:55:54 PM  

stonelotus: hey Stanhope,say "hi" to your mother for me, ok?


Say 'hi' yourself, she's on stage in 5 minutes.
 
2013-12-30 06:55:54 PM  
The only proper time to thank Jesus is after your UFC opponent destroys his leg and career breaking his shin on a simple kick, because how else could that shiat have happened? It's a Christmas MIRACLE!
 
2013-12-30 06:56:46 PM  
By definition I guess I'm atheist but fark do I hate these smug assholes.. They are the worst..   Call me crazy but I just sort of keep my beliefs to myself and don't have this weird goal in life to convince everyone my way is the right way..
 
2013-12-30 06:57:34 PM  
I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado, I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors.

And what better time than christmas!
 
2013-12-30 06:59:35 PM  
So what if, a long time ago, satan devised a trap for god and it is in the shape of a church and powered by prayer?

It really would all make a lot more sense...
 
2013-12-30 06:59:40 PM  
I love Doug Stanhope.

i1309.photobucket.com

That said, even as an admittedly over-vocal agnostic, I LOVE the story of Jesus's life and teachings. I hate the church but I love the guy they're supposed to model their lives around.

*shrugs shoulders*
 
2013-12-30 07:00:23 PM  
Sooooooooo.... 125k? That's, what, about 2; maybe 3 demolished houses? Or 1/10th of a house in California? That's a pretty big number; maybe 3 houses repaired. Maybe they'd have some left over for food and water.
 
2013-12-30 07:02:37 PM  

iheartscotch: Sooooooooo.... 125k? That's, what, about 2; maybe 3 demolished houses? Or 1/10th of a house in California? That's a pretty big number; maybe 3 houses repaired. Maybe they'd have some left over for food and water.


A fish and a loaf of generic white bread could feed the whole town.
 
2013-12-30 07:07:30 PM  
I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-12-30 07:07:38 PM  
fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...
 
2013-12-30 07:08:02 PM  
"Comedian Raised $126k for Atheist Tornado Victim to Piss Off Christians"

I'd doubt any of her christian neighbors will get pissed off about it, so basically all this guy proved is how big a jerk he is.
 
2013-12-30 07:08:16 PM  

mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".


Maybe they all had herpes and it was preventing him from penile scabbage in two years when he bangs his neighbor down the street at the NewYears 2015 block party.
 
2013-12-30 07:08:40 PM  
And the funniest thing would be that given how Okies are the down to earth, help out a neighbor in need type of people, I can see the atheist taking the money and helping out her religion believing neighbors with it. Like Stanhope is giving her money to piss off Christians and she's like, "Eff that. My neighbors are my friends. They need food and shelter too."
 
2013-12-30 07:09:16 PM  

styckx: By definition I guess I'm atheist but fark do I hate these smug assholes.. They are the worst..   Call me crazy but I just sort of keep my beliefs to myself and don't have this weird goal in life to convince everyone my way is the right way..


I'm Atheist too. And I would have said what she said on TV, but probably not with as much grace. On the other hand, it seems like the comedian did it for all the wrong reasons. Doing something just to be a prick isn't often the best way to get respect.
 
2013-12-30 07:11:51 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

The same sort that thanks Jesus when it's their neighbors who actually help them.

I had a friend many years ago in Alaska who was on a busy road in a snowstorm when a woman ahead of him lost control and went off the road onto a frozen lake. The surface shattered behind her car and she was sinking.

Everyone stopped, but nobody was doing anything. As the car was going under, Harold, close to 70 at the time, took off his coat and shoes and dived into the icy water, got her out of the car, and pulled her to the bank in freezing temperatures.

The woman excitedly looked each person in the face saying "Thank Jesus! Thank Jesus!" over and over again while they waited for emergency services to show up. She never thanked Harold.


This is my promise. The next time come out a rough situation without getting my entire ass handed to me, I'm going to thank Harold.

Of course, God will then kill Harold and hurt everyone he loves, as per protocol.
 
2013-12-30 07:12:23 PM  

part of the problem: This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...


Why don't you go back to jerking off to Duck Dynasty, godboy?
 
2013-12-30 07:13:27 PM  
To each his own, I suppose.  I'm not super fond of hateful shiat stirrers and trouble makers, even if they're doing it in response to perceived hate and intolerance.  So while it's awesome that you're helping people out, people who've presumably lost their homes, possessions and possibly even friends and family, I still think it's despicable that you'd do it simply to spite other folks.  But then again, at least he's being honest about it.  However, the honesty part is likely just part of drumming up publicity for himself.  So really, this guy is kinda like Frogurt.

I would like to give a big, ole "You go girl" to Rebecca, though.  It's puzzling to me how upset it makes people when they find out that some folks are atheists.  And, because of the reactions, which can come with some pretty harsh consequences, it does take a Hell of a lot of courage to discuss your atheism in the national spot light.
 
2013-12-30 07:13:32 PM  

Dragonflew: part of the problem: This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

Why don't you go back to jerking off to Duck Dynasty, godboy?



good... let the rage flow through you......
 
2013-12-30 07:14:08 PM  
Devil pays better than I thought he did. Of course, I don't see any of that money. I'm an atheist pro bono.
 
2013-12-30 07:16:54 PM  

what_now: You know, I do understand how a deeply upset and traumatized person can react by "thanking God" for saving them, but it's always annoyed me when athletes talk about how "God" helped them score a touchdown/goal/homerun.

Millions of people in slavery, poverty and despair, but God's gonna focus on your batting average?


Maybe He's multi tasking
 
2013-12-30 07:17:34 PM  
What's happened to all the usual pratts who jump in with their whining  "I'm an atheist but I don't like the ones who make a big noise about it" cliches?
 
2013-12-30 07:18:01 PM  

mekki: And the funniest thing would be that given how Okies are the down to earth, help out a neighbor in need type of people, I can see the atheist taking the money and helping out her religion believing neighbors with it. Like Stanhope is giving her money to piss off Christians and she's like, "Eff that. My neighbors are my friends. They need food and shelter too."


There was an account of some volunteers from a church who left the site they were helping at because they discovered that some of the other volunteers were from an OK freethought group. I'll see if I can find it.

Anyway, I vaguely know the woman this is about. They took the opportunity to move to Washington/get the hell out of OK.
 
2013-12-30 07:18:02 PM  

TinyFist: I love Doug Stanhope.

[i1309.photobucket.com image 336x488]

That said, even as an admittedly over-vocal agnostic, I LOVE the story of Jesus's life and teachings. I hate the church but I love the guy they're supposed to model their lives around.

*shrugs shoulders*


I've lately taken to saying "reject the religion, but appreciate the mythology."

For 20,000 years, humans passed on history, wisdom and understanding via mythology and story-telling. Why should we think the Bible and Jesus are anything other than the latest iteration of that wisdom-passing mythology?
 
2013-12-30 07:19:45 PM  
The guy's a narcissistic dick/attention whore. If a church group refused to help atheists after a natural disaster everyone would condemn them, but this guy is some kind of hero to (some of) the left?

I really hope Rebecca Vitsmun said "fark you" to him and shared the check with her "Okie-Neighbors".

He's a dick. He admits he was doing it to be a dick. He admits he felt no compassion, rather he felt the need to user OTHER PEOPLES money to try to make people who just lost everything feel worse.

I am sure this d-bag is exactly the kind of person he claims to hate.
 
2013-12-30 07:20:03 PM  
What happens if I don't believe in $126k?
 
2013-12-30 07:20:03 PM  

MrHappyRotter: To each his own, I suppose.  I'm not super fond of hateful shiat stirrers and trouble makers, even if they're doing it in response to perceived hate and intolerance.  So while it's awesome that you're helping people out, people who've presumably lost their homes, possessions and possibly even friends and family, I still think it's despicable that you'd do it simply to spite other folks.  But then again, at least he's being honest about it.  However, the honesty part is likely just part of drumming up publicity for himself.  So really, this guy is kinda like Frogurt.

I would like to give a big, ole "You go girl" to Rebecca, though.  It's puzzling to me how upset it makes people when they find out that some folks are atheists.  And, because of the reactions, which can come with some pretty harsh consequences, it does take a Hell of a lot of courage to discuss your atheism in the national spot light.


You said what I said, but with much more eloquence. So I give you a big ol' THIS!
 
2013-12-30 07:23:44 PM  

MrHappyRotter: To each his own, I suppose.  I'm not super fond of hateful shiat stirrers and trouble makers, even if they're doing it in response to perceived hate and intolerance.  So while it's awesome that you're helping people out, people who've presumably lost their homes, possessions and possibly even friends and family, I still think it's despicable that you'd do it simply to spite other folks.  But then again, at least he's being honest about it.  However, the honesty part is likely just part of drumming up publicity for himself.  So really, this guy is kinda like Frogurt.

I would like to give a big, ole "You go girl" to Rebecca, though.  It's puzzling to me how upset it makes people when they find out that some folks are atheists.  And, because of the reactions, which can come with some pretty harsh consequences, it does take a Hell of a lot of courage to discuss your atheism in the national spot light.


QFT
 
2013-12-30 07:24:52 PM  

part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...


Yeah, it even says to be a prick in the 1st Book of Dawkins in the Atheist Bible. You know, the book that all us atheists gather to study and discuss every Sunday down at the No News Church of Atheism.

I'm guessing your point was not to paint all Christians with the same stripe of paint. Maybe.
 
2013-12-30 07:25:14 PM  
Way to raise the bar.
 
2013-12-30 07:25:15 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: The woman excitedly looked each person in the face saying "Thank Jesus! Thank Jesus!" over and over again while they waited for emergency services to show up. She never thanked Harold.


Harold is the name of her god.  She prays like this: "Our Father which art in heaven, Harold be thy name."
 
2013-12-30 07:28:01 PM  
This is like andrew dice clay gave biden the bird and sally struthers ate it like obamacare's gonna eat it because all the relief aid trucks are being robbed by warlords and poppy fields
 
2013-12-30 07:28:32 PM  

wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]


Except that he DID help. What he did matters more than what he said. What he said was just funny.

Religious people often say a lot of nice things, but DO harmful and/or useless things.

I'll take this over that
 
2013-12-30 07:28:50 PM  

In the Brooker clip, Stanhope explains that he didn't do it for the sake of helping out the victim of a natural disaster - he did it for the sake of not helping out her Lord-thanking neighbors.



Dude sounds like a first class dick. Help out the victim because she needs help. Doing it to spite others makes you no better then them. Perhaps even worse.
 
2013-12-30 07:32:49 PM  

bugmn99: Of course, God will then kill Harold and hurt everyone he loves, as per protocol.


God got around to smiting evil, heathen Harold at 84.
 
2013-12-30 07:34:55 PM  
Know what would REALLY piss off Christians?

If she shared it with the needy in her community.
 
2013-12-30 07:35:25 PM  
But I've got 48.0MB. 126K is so 1998.
 
2013-12-30 07:35:35 PM  
We shall drink deeply of the bourbon, scotch and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

Then we shall find, and beat the asses of the nonbelievers!

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-12-30 07:39:22 PM  

part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...


"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.
 
2013-12-30 07:40:43 PM  

stewbert: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

Yeah, it even says to be a prick in the 1st Book of Dawkins in the Atheist Bible. You know, the book that all us atheists gather to study and discuss every Sunday down at the No News Church of Atheism.

I'm guessing your point was not to paint all Christians with the same stripe of paint. Maybe.



I didn't know that about the book of Dawkins... but it explains a lot. I'm simply holding up a mirror to crazy... if some people see themselves in it, maybe it will, eventually, cause them to stop and think about their preconceived notions. I don't like fundamentalists of any persuasion. People who believe that they are superior to others because God is on their side and people who believe they are superior to others because they were clever enough to figure out there isn't a God are both exactly as dangerous to everyone else.

I spend a bit of time reading the atheist blogosphere for research.... as far as I can tell the normal atheists are getting justifiably concerned about the rabid ones. But it's probably too late now. The 'movement' such as it is, no longer affirms humanism, it's devolved into.... well.... Doug Standhope.
 
2013-12-30 07:41:34 PM  
Apologies if I fed a troll.
 
2013-12-30 07:42:48 PM  

p89tech: The guy's a narcissistic dick/attention whore. If a church group refused to help atheists after a natural disaster everyone would condemn them, but this guy is some kind of hero to (some of) the left?

I really hope Rebecca Vitsmun said "fark you" to him and shared the check with her "Okie-Neighbors".

He's a dick. He admits he was doing it to be a dick. He admits he felt no compassion, rather he felt the need to user OTHER PEOPLES money to try to make people who just lost everything feel worse.

I am sure this d-bag is exactly the kind of person he claims to hate.


They actually do it every damn day.

If you want to eat at the local City Union Mission - you have to go to the religious service and pray.

This is the #1 reason that religious people hate the government helping out poor people. The poors are supposed to grovel and beg for their meals. And the have to listen to the church services telling them that they are sinners and how Jesus is the only way.

THAT is why this guy is a prick. If he wanted to make a statement he should have just said that he wanted assistance to get to the people who refuse to kowtow to religion in order to get help.
 
2013-12-30 07:43:44 PM  

sephjnr: stonelotus: hey Stanhope,say "hi" to your mother for me, ok?

Say 'hi' yourself, she's on stage in 5 minutes.


oh he's currently milking her for material but she definitely isn't going to be on stage any time soon.
 
2013-12-30 07:46:39 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: In the Brooker clip, Stanhope explains that he didn't do it for the sake of helping out the victim of a natural disaster - he did it for the sake of not helping out her Lord-thanking neighbors.

Dude sounds like a first class dick. Help out the victim because she needs help. Doing it to spite others makes you no better then them. Perhaps even worse.


FTFY. He's using a natural disaster victim to spite people who he does not know but makes generalized assumptions about and openly admitted that he wasn't trying to help the lady out at all. Doesn't get more attention whore douchebag than that. Antics like that change absolutely 0 hearts or minds.
 
2013-12-30 07:46:40 PM  
What a gyp. I've been an atheist for years, where's my payout??
 
2013-12-30 07:48:45 PM  

QuesoDelicioso: What a gyp. I've been an atheist for years, where's my payout??


Raise a bunch of money for a cause, pay yourself a salary out of the non-profit you set up .

You mean you didn't think you'd have to work for it?
 
2013-12-30 07:48:58 PM  

wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]


I am a Christian, and no Stanhope isn't hurting you guys. At least not in my eyes.
I think Stanhope is a brilliant comedian who makes people think. I agree with a majority of his views, and understand his disdain (and I imagine your disdain as well) for religion.
I share that disdain in some ways, so I practice my religion as I understand it, "live and let live."*
As far as the views I disagree with, I don't sweat it.

*Tempered by alcohol
 
2013-12-30 07:49:22 PM  

madgonad: They actually do it every damn day.

If you want to eat at the local City Union Mission - you have to go to the religious service and pray.

This is the #1 reason that religious people hate the government helping out poor people. The poors are supposed to grovel and beg for their meals. And the have to listen to the church services telling them that they are sinners and how Jesus is the only way.


My one-time employer would give the employees one day paid a year for community service. I went along with a bunch of executives to a Habitat for Humanity build.

They started off with a prayer. I just stood at the back silently looking around. Afterwards, the project manager/minister came to me and asked why I didn't pray with them. I told them I wasn't part of their religion. They told me to leave because CHRISTIANS were going to take the glory for THIS one, by God!

/still think Habitat is a good charity, but my local implementers were dicks.
 
2013-12-30 07:49:43 PM  

feffer: There was an account of some volunteers from a church who left the site they were helping at because they discovered that some of the other volunteers were from an OK freethought group. I'll see if I can find it.


http://www.reddirtreport.com/prairie-opinions/humanism-work-oklahoma -t ornado-recovery
 
2013-12-30 07:52:02 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: They started off with a prayer. I just stood at the back silently looking around. Afterwards, the project manager/minister came to me and asked why I didn't pray with them. I told them I wasn't part of their religion. They told me to leave because CHRISTIANS were going to take the glory for THIS one, by God!


I would have written the organization over that shiat. Jesus.
 
2013-12-30 07:52:51 PM  

whatdoyouexpect: What happens if I don't believe in $126k?


Some famous guy will gift you a dead jewish guy on a stick.
 
2013-12-30 07:53:25 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Know what would REALLY piss off Christians?

If she shared it with the needy in her community.


And they would thank Jesus.

/moving CSB btw

As to how it ties in to the article...

It may not be intentional, but there is a systematic lack of consideration represented by just that sort of behavior.  If there are casualties, you never THANK anyone that you survived(it's a direct implication that god was looking out for them and not those sinners[or whatever]).  Hate to put it this way, but "they" started it by being boorish and self righteous.  It's indicative of a superiority complex, and generally an asshole thing to do.

Not that Stanhope's actions will get through to them, but good on him anyhow.  He didn't have to do anything for anyone, but he did more than anyone who reads these threads ever will, christians and atheists alike.
 
2013-12-30 07:54:15 PM  

mjjt: What's happened to all the usual pratts who jump in with their whining  "I'm an atheist but I don't like the ones who make a big noise about it" cliches?


I don't get it. Would it be preferable to voice support for this douche?
 
2013-12-30 07:54:52 PM  

whidbey: QuesoDelicioso: What a gyp. I've been an atheist for years, where's my payout??

Raise a bunch of money for a cause, pay yourself a salary out of the non-profit you set up .

You mean you didn't think you'd have to work for it?


This deal's getting worse all the time...
 
2013-12-30 07:55:18 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Know what would REALLY piss off Christians?

If she shared it with the needy in her community.


Needy HOMOSEXUALS.
 
2013-12-30 07:57:12 PM  

omeganuepsilon: It may not be intentional, but there is a systematic lack of consideration represented by just that sort of behavior.  If there are casualties, you never THANK anyone that you survived(it's a direct implication that god was looking out for them and not those sinners[or whatever]).  Hate to put it this way, but "they" started it by being boorish and self righteous.  It's indicative of a superiority complex, and generally an asshole thing to do.


It's the Just World Hypothesis at work.
 
2013-12-30 07:59:46 PM  
I'm an atheist and I don't think that someone sharing my lack of belief makes them more worthy of getting some dough.  Any charity which I donate to should give out money on the basis of merit.  (I might make an exception an atheist denied charity because he is an atheist assuming he could document the discrimination.)
 
2013-12-30 08:00:41 PM  
 
2013-12-30 08:01:06 PM  

QuesoDelicioso: whidbey: QuesoDelicioso: What a gyp. I've been an atheist for years, where's my payout??

Raise a bunch of money for a cause, pay yourself a salary out of the non-profit you set up .

You mean you didn't think you'd have to work for it?

This deal's getting worse all the time...


Make Richard Dawkins buy you lunch at Chick-Fil-A for a whole year.
 
2013-12-30 08:02:47 PM  

p89tech: I really hope Rebecca Vitsmun said "fark you" to him and shared the check with her "Okie-Neighbors".


http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/guest_bloggers/7290/ath ei st_asked_by_wolf_blitzer_if_she_thanked_the_lord_after_ok_tornado_hono red/

Vitsmun says she will use the over $125,000 raised by #AtheistUnite to help her family relocate to the Seattle suburbs.

Sounds like she wants to get as far away from those Okies as she can.
 
2013-12-30 08:05:40 PM  

wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

img.fark.net

Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.

HairBolus: Vitsmun says she will use the over $125,000 raised by #AtheistUnite to help her family relocate to the Seattle suburbs.

Sounds like she wants to get as far away from those Okies as she can.


Wouldn't you?
 
2013-12-30 08:06:09 PM  

Bolo78: Apologies if I fed a troll.


You probably did... let's see if he responds...
 
2013-12-30 08:06:35 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.


Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.
 
2013-12-30 08:08:20 PM  

mjjt: What's happened to all the usual pratts who jump in with their whining  "I'm an atheist but I don't like the ones who make a big noise about it" cliches?


Oh, they're here. They're always here.
 
2013-12-30 08:08:43 PM  

truthseeker2083: Bolo78: Apologies if I fed a troll.

You probably did... let's see if he responds...


Sometimes it takes about half an hour for the trollerhea to develop from the feeding.
 
2013-12-30 08:09:03 PM  

SeriousGeorge: mjjt: What's happened to all the usual pratts who jump in with their whining  "I'm an atheist but I don't like the ones who make a big noise about it" cliches?

I don't get it. Would it be preferable to voice support for this douche

entertainer

Definitely. I'm all in favour if taking the piss out of religious low watt bulbs
(a) for entertainment value (b) to challenge their fatuous logic
 
2013-12-30 08:09:22 PM  

Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.


That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.
 
2013-12-30 08:10:45 PM  

steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.


You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'
 
2013-12-30 08:11:17 PM  
2 old jewish guys walking down the street in florida
sid and sal pass a church were a sign out front says " covert to Catholicism and we'll pay you $5000"
sid turns to sal and says "$5000, lets do it"
sal says " no its a scam, they won't pay  it"
sid says" its a church they cant lie, i'm going in"
sal says " fine i'll wait here"
sid goes in and sal stands around waiting.
1 hour then 2 then 3 hours go by and no sign of sal
finally after 5 hours sid comes out of the curch and sal runs up to him " so, did you get the money?"
sid turns to sal and says " is that all you people think about?"
 
2013-12-30 08:11:44 PM  

steamingpile: That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.


Then of course, sometimes the trollerhea is right out of the gate.
 
2013-12-30 08:13:04 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: madgonad: They actually do it every damn day.

If you want to eat at the local City Union Mission - you have to go to the religious service and pray.

This is the #1 reason that religious people hate the government helping out poor people. The poors are supposed to grovel and beg for their meals. And the have to listen to the church services telling them that they are sinners and how Jesus is the only way.

My one-time employer would give the employees one day paid a year for community service. I went along with a bunch of executives to a Habitat for Humanity build.

They started off with a prayer. I just stood at the back silently looking around. Afterwards, the project manager/minister came to me and asked why I didn't pray with them. I told them I wasn't part of their religion. They told me to leave because CHRISTIANS were going to take the glory for THIS one, by God!

/still think Habitat is a good charity, but my local implementers were dicks.


That story is bullshiat because habitat accepts anyone.
 
2013-12-30 08:15:16 PM  

truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.

You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'


No I get the point and its to try and say how religion is so horrible therefore it must be abolished to save humanity.

An old persons opinion of how it used to be is not representative of the entire faith.
 
2013-12-30 08:15:42 PM  

steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.


Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.
 
2013-12-30 08:16:34 PM  

steamingpile: Lenny_da_Hog: madgonad: They actually do it every damn day.

If you want to eat at the local City Union Mission - you have to go to the religious service and pray.

This is the #1 reason that religious people hate the government helping out poor people. The poors are supposed to grovel and beg for their meals. And the have to listen to the church services telling them that they are sinners and how Jesus is the only way.

My one-time employer would give the employees one day paid a year for community service. I went along with a bunch of executives to a Habitat for Humanity build.

They started off with a prayer. I just stood at the back silently looking around. Afterwards, the project manager/minister came to me and asked why I didn't pray with them. I told them I wasn't part of their religion. They told me to leave because CHRISTIANS were going to take the glory for THIS one, by God!

/still think Habitat is a good charity, but my local implementers were dicks.

That story is bullshiat because habitat accepts anyone.


You seem to have picked a very apt handle.
 
2013-12-30 08:17:11 PM  

steamingpile: Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.


You don't read much news do you?  Hell, abortion laws are religious in nature.  So are many marriage laws.

Not to forget things like Dominionism in Polk County Florida, where atheists actuall get jailed, and the religious publicly pray that non believers will get turned away or imprisoned rather than enter their towns.  Parties pushing for things like Sharia Law(I believe this is an issue in the UK, so it's not only a US problem, or whatever the native american equivalent would be(obviously, that one is specifically an american problem).  Atheists, the world over, are persecuted, if not on the scale that the Jews were, it does still happen.

You sound extremely ignorant or deluded, not sure which.

Google "persecution of atheists" and visit reality once in a while.  A lot more shiat goes on than you are pretending.
 
2013-12-30 08:18:27 PM  
The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

When a true Christian gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.
 
2013-12-30 08:18:32 PM  

steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.

You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'

No I get the point and its to try and say how religion is so horrible therefore it must be abolished to save humanity.

An old persons opinion of how it used to be is not representative of the entire faith.


No his point was one person speaking about "being a prick" as an athiest no more represents athiests all around like one douche christian saying "thank god for 9/11" represents christians all around. Context matters. Read the post he was responding to and maybe you'll see that... or maybe not.
 
2013-12-30 08:20:03 PM  

part of the problem: stewbert: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

Yeah, it even says to be a prick in the 1st Book of Dawkins in the Atheist Bible. You know, the book that all us atheists gather to study and discuss every Sunday down at the No News Church of Atheism.

I'm guessing your point was not to paint all Christians with the same stripe of paint. Maybe.


I didn't know that about the book of Dawkins... but it explains a lot. I'm simply holding up a mirror to crazy... if some people see themselves in it, maybe it will, eventually, cause them to stop and think about their preconceived notions. I don't like fundamentalists of any persuasion. People who believe that they are superior to others because God is on their side and people who believe they are superior to others because they were clever enough to figure out there isn't a God are both exactly as dangerous to everyone else.

I spend a bit of time reading the atheist blogosphere for research.... as far as I can tell the normal atheists are getting justifiably concerned about the rabid ones. But it's probably too late now. The 'movement' such as it is, no longer affirms humanism, it's devolved into.... well.... Doug Standhope.


You know if you say `gullible` slowly enough it sounds like `oranges`
 
2013-12-30 08:22:15 PM  
caltech.typepad.com
 
2013-12-30 08:26:37 PM  

nekom: what_now: You know, I do understand how a deeply upset and traumatized person can react by "thanking God" for saving them, but it's always annoyed me when athletes talk about how "God" helped them score a touchdown/goal/homerun.

Millions of people in slavery, poverty and despair, but God's gonna focus on your batting average?

And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj


Was going to mention that one myself. It was Jeff Stilson (at 0:39)

http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/kmeohf/stand-up-jeff-stilso n- -flirting
 
2013-12-30 08:26:47 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.


While that mindset is totally wrong, this situation doesn't "debunk" it at all.  Stanhope literally only raised the money as a massive "fark you" to the woman's Christian neighbors.  In his own words:  "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.
 
2013-12-30 08:30:46 PM  
He did this expressly to anger Christians? Well, as a Christian, I'm so infuriated by his trolling that I feel a Crusade coming on!

Wait, no, not infuriated; it's that other thing. What was it? Oh yeah:

i224.photobucket.com
 
2013-12-30 08:32:23 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

The same sort that thanks Jesus when it's their neighbors who actually help them.

I had a friend many years ago in Alaska who was on a busy road in a snowstorm when a woman ahead of him lost control and went off the road onto a frozen lake. The surface shattered behind her car and she was sinking.

Everyone stopped, but nobody was doing anything. As the car was going under, Harold, close to 70 at the time, took off his coat and shoes and dived into the icy water, got her out of the car, and pulled her to the bank in freezing temperatures.

The woman excitedly looked each person in the face saying "Thank Jesus! Thank Jesus!" over and over again while they waited for emergency services to show up. She never thanked Harold.


I brought up this point with a believing friend. I said "so often, you see or hear about someone involved in a terrible car accident; the first civilian responders call 911 and perform first aid if they are able. The police show up and block off traffic for the fire and paramedic crews to get in and extract the person from the wreckage and begin stabilizing the patient while awaiting the LifeFlight helicopter. Once aboard, the flight nurse begins caring for the patient as the pilot and crew make a high-speed run to the nearest hospital. Once there, the patient is taken to the trauma facility, where a team of nurses begin examining and further stabilizing the patient until a doctor can arrive to administer and coordinate further care, which may involve a surgical team. Then followup care and monitoring is carried out by a dedicated medical staff. And then the person has the audacity to thank GOD. How insulting to such a large group of people."

"But don't you see?" said my friend. "God sent those people!"

Made me want to hit something before I hit him.
 
2013-12-30 08:34:17 PM  

NEDM: You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.


Is charity raised through spite less meaningful than charity raised through sincere compassion?

It's still over a hundred grand that was donated to a person in need.
 
2013-12-30 08:35:09 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: I had a friend many years ago in Alaska....


Perhaps Jesus inspired the onlooker with the least to lose in terms of lifespan and immediate family to risk his life for another.  Perhaps the woman who praised Jesus was so overcome with emotion that she automatically thanked the source of the altruism.

Or perhaps the woman was an idiot.
 
2013-12-30 08:35:40 PM  
A lot of people in this thread not familiar with Stanhope I see. I've always wondered what the average Farker would think of his comedy (not this story, this isn't really comedy). He's a staunch Athiest, pro abortion (not choice, I mean abortion), anti-government Libertarian. He's pretty far out there on the shock side. A funny farker if you can get past the shock.
 
2013-12-30 08:37:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.


No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.
 
2013-12-30 08:39:26 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: NEDM: You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.

Is charity raised through spite less meaningful than charity raised through sincere compassion?

It's still over a hundred grand that was donated to a person in need.


It's still spite.  You can help someone out of spite for other victims, but you can't pretend to be spreading "love for your fellow man" while you're doing it.  Would you say the same thing if the KKK donated a massive pile of money to a white victim of a tornado to spite their black neighbors?

/apologies for the quasi-Godwin
 
2013-12-30 08:39:43 PM  
I have no problem with Christians. It's the biblical literalism idiots. Pretty much refuted for almost half a thousand years.

Seriously, how can you NOT see that it's allegorical. It's written a very long time after the fact and cobbled together from tribal stories. Translated and re-translated and edited.

A classical education and a bit of knowledge of ancient histories and religions throws a grain of salt into things.

Just count who was saved from water sometime.

Juno? Zeus?
 
2013-12-30 08:40:01 PM  

part of the problem: This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.


Yes. He is a dick. He admits it. He is proud of it. He is a professional comedian after all.

But I am glad he did it so we could have this thread. Because reading through this thread I was able to clearly see what real christian morals are.

Hate and bitterness. Rushing to paint an entire unrelated group with a poison brush because of the actions of one person.

It is funny. Normally I am commenting on all the lies and misrepresentation from christians but this thread is full of honesty in this thread. Bravo!

I love it. Who needs to bash christians? Just read the words of christians if you want to see what they are really like.
 
2013-12-30 08:41:32 PM  

mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".


Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group
 
2013-12-30 08:43:15 PM  

steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.


And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.
 
2013-12-30 08:43:16 PM  

truthseeker2083: steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.

You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'

No I get the point and its to try and say how religion is so horrible therefore it must be abolished to save humanity.

An old persons opinion of how it used to be is not representative of the entire faith.

No his point was one person speaking about "being a prick" as an athiest no more represents athiests all around like one douche christian saying "thank god for 9/11" represents christians all around. Context matters. Read the post he was responding to and maybe you'll see that... or maybe not.


I get that too, the problem is almost every single atheist I have ever met acts like a prick at the slightest little perceived wrong. And most of the time they are just being the person looking like an ass.
 
2013-12-30 08:44:42 PM  

steamingpile: Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown.


See ... here is some of the dishonesty I have come to expect from christians.

You know that the vast majority of people who call themselves atheist to not make positive claims of the non-existence of gods. That we "accept that there is an unknown". We just ask that any claims to know things are supported by evidence.

But you post this dishonest crap anyway. Typical religious person who can't argue the truth so you have to lie.
 
2013-12-30 08:44:47 PM  

part of the problem: I didn't know that about the book of Dawkins... but it explains a lot. I'm simply holding up a mirror to crazy... if some people see themselves in it, maybe it will, eventually, cause them to stop and think about their preconceived notions. I don't like fundamentalists of any persuasion. People who believe that they are superior to others because God is on their side and people who believe they are superior to others because they were clever enough to figure out there isn't a God are both exactly as dangerous to everyone else.


It's good to see that you think you are superior to those people who think they are superior.

A got a hearty laugh out of your lack of self-awareness.
 
2013-12-30 08:47:02 PM  

steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Bolo78: part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."  

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...

"Thank God for 9/11. Thank God that, five years ago, the wrath of God was poured out upon this evil nation. America, land of the sodomite damned. We thank thee, Lord God Almighty, for answering the prayers of those that are under the altar."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be a christian.

That's one person's opinion and not shared by 99.9% of those in most religious following, excluding muslims of course.

You missed his point completely... or ignored it to say something 'witty'

No I get the point and its to try and say how religion is so horrible therefore it must be abolished to save humanity.

An old persons opinion of how it used to be is not representative of the entire faith.

No his point was one person speaking about "being a prick" as an athiest no more represents athiests all around like one douche christian saying "thank god for 9/11" represents christians all around. Context matters. Read the post he was responding to and maybe you'll see that... or maybe not.

I get that too, the problem is almost every single atheist I have ever met acts like a prick at the slightest little perceived wrong. And most of the time they are just being the person looking like an ass.


And I could say the same about most christians I've met. You don't grow up gay in the south and not run into people being assholes in the name of christ. At least the atheists haven't put their prickishness into law... I still can't get married because christians think two men together is "wrong". Which group is more prickish again?
 
2013-12-30 08:47:55 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


Well thank God you are here to be spiteful!

Praise the Lord I lived! Too bad he killed off all those other people. That's sad. But YAY! Thank you Jesus for sparing me!

The funny thing is you don't even GET how stupid that is. More important to call other people miserable for pointing how suck ass that philosophy on life is. Good for me! Sucks to be them! Thanks Jesus!
 
2013-12-30 08:48:50 PM  

Farking Canuck: steamingpile: Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown.

See ... here is some of the dishonesty I have come to expect from christians.

You know that the vast majority of people who call themselves atheist to not make positive claims of the non-existence of gods. That we "accept that there is an unknown". We just ask that any claims to know things are supported by evidence.

But you post this dishonest crap anyway. Typical religious person who can't argue the truth so you have to lie.


You say you want evidence, but you don't want evidence.  You want irrefutable proof.  How are you being truthful again?
 
2013-12-30 08:49:39 PM  

omeganuepsilon: steamingpile: Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

You don't read much news do you?  Hell, abortion laws are religious in nature.  So are many marriage laws.

Not to forget things like Dominionism in Polk County Florida, where atheists actuall get jailed, and the religious publicly pray that non believers will get turned away or imprisoned rather than enter their towns.  Parties pushing for things like Sharia Law(I believe this is an issue in the UK, so it's not only a US problem, or whatever the native american equivalent would be(obviously, that one is specifically an american problem).  Atheists, the world over, are persecuted, if not on the scale that the Jews were, it does still happen.

You sound extremely ignorant or deluded, not sure which.

Google "persecution of atheists" and visit reality once in a while.  A lot more shiat goes on than you are pretending.


You're full of shiat, because you pulled one county out of Florida that I know more about this than you. Atheists are not jailed for their beliefs, they were jailed for blocking public access and roads, they wanted a story so they got it.

The people down there are religious but have a to each their own mental state which is why people are nuts in Florida.
 
2013-12-30 08:49:42 PM  

Lee451: Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel?


Thanking god for saving yourself implicitly says that if god chose to save you he also chose not to save all the people who died.

No the people are not thanking god for the deaths of their neighbors but they are saying something about their neighbors ... they were not chosen after all.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-30 08:50:34 PM  

Farking Canuck: part of the problem: This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Yes. He is a dick. He admits it. He is proud of it. He is a professional comedian after all.

But I am glad he did it so we could have this thread. Because reading through this thread I was able to clearly see what real christian morals are.

Hate and bitterness. Rushing to paint an entire unrelated group with a poison brush because of the actions of one person.

It is funny. Normally I am commenting on all the lies and misrepresentation from christians but this thread is full of honesty in this thread. Bravo!

I love it. Who needs to bash christians? Just read the words of christians if you want to see what they are really like.


See highlighted section. Pot.....kettle. Kettle.....pot.
/you just cluter-farked your own argument
 
2013-12-30 08:50:37 PM  

NEDM: TV's Vinnie: Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.

While that mindset is totally wrong, this situation doesn't "debunk" it at all.  Stanhope literally only raised the money as a massive "fark you" to the woman's Christian neighbors.  In his own words:  "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.


This. What's worse is that he set up that woman to be hated by her neighbors/community (or if she already would be, then even more so). In addition to any bias and jealousy, she's now associated with a massive prick.

/not mine
//but for $126K...
 
2013-12-30 08:51:05 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


As a former evangelical christian (in full recovery) yes, that is EXACTLY how you think. Well THEY died, probably because of something they DID. I lived because I'm right with God!

It's about as petty and spiteful as one can get. Congratulations on being a miserable human being. Don't look too hard in that mirror...
 
2013-12-30 08:51:11 PM  
TV's Vinnie:

Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.


Except it was done to spite religious people and not out of compassion for a fellow human being. So, yeah...
 
2013-12-30 08:51:37 PM  

NEDM: It's still spite. You can help someone out of spite for other victims, but you can't pretend to be spreading "love for your fellow man" while you're doing it. Would you say the same thing if the KKK donated a massive pile of money to a white victim of a tornado to spite their black neighbors?

/apologies for the quasi-Godwin


It's still a net positive increase of charity in the world, so maybe we need a new word that signifies both doing some good for your fellow man and giving the finger to somebody else at the same time. That said, I probably wouldn't accept any money from the KKK just because the implication would be that I agree with their ideology. I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.
 
2013-12-30 08:52:29 PM  

budrojr: You say you want evidence, but you don't want evidence. You want irrefutable proof. How are you being truthful again?


Another lie.

I want evidence. The kind of evidence that has some value. Not anecdotes about feelings ... not bible fan-fiction ... and not claims of absolute certainty any time some real evidence could point in a direction you like.
 
2013-12-30 08:53:36 PM  
mediablitz:

As a former evangelical christian (in full recovery) yes, that is EXACTLY how you think.

No it is not and you damned well know it. But thanks for your support of the stereotypes.
 
2013-12-30 08:53:50 PM  
I hereby proclaim I don't believe in jesus.

/fark you, pay me.
//DRTFA
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-30 08:56:20 PM  

C18H27NO3: I hereby proclaim I don't believe in jesus.

/fark you, pay me.
//DRTFA


splinteredsunrise.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-12-30 08:57:07 PM  

gja: See highlighted section. Pot.....kettle. Kettle.....pot.
/you just cluter-farked your own argument


Good try.

Except one tiny problem. I wasn't talking about all christians. I was talking explicitly about all the christians who posted hateful posts in this thread.

I should have been more explicit. I'll give you that. But my post was all about looking at all the christian hate in this thread, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to the creators of these posts.

You can pretend that I was talking about all christians though. It really wouldn't surprise me.
 
2013-12-30 08:58:19 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.


Here's the thing: he was trying to piss off a particular group of Christians, not in general.  Specifically, her Christian neighbors.

The same Christian neighbors who were also victims of the same tornado she was.
 
2013-12-30 08:59:36 PM  

Nemo's Brother: The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

When a true Christian gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.


I don't see why this would "piss off the Christians".  is guy is definitely trying to imply that the Christans would not help her. I seriously doubt  that this is the case. Helping/tending to non-believes is one way Christians evangelize, by showing that God cares for everyone and that they are working for Him.

After all the whining that Phil Robertson is a bigot I see the atheists are certainly no better, desite their smug claims of intellectual and moral authority.

If this guy wanted to show how compassionate atheists are he could have raised money tohelp al the victims. But no, he only helped her to satisfy his own (very petty) desires. He could have acted as if he cared about the woman but he makes no mention of that
 
2013-12-30 09:00:39 PM  

Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.


I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family function. Christ it wasn't even in the home it was in the backyard and they only saw it because they had to walk through to use the bathroom then came out screaming how dare she display that!!!

Numerous interactions with them through work and no matter what you say they won't back down, fark I even got my ordained minister uncle to back down on topics but atheists are harder to argue with than a brick wall.

One time I got my cousin to finally listen when I said how can you be so sure god can't exist? When she said there's no way you can be sure since there is no proof he exists I just said she has no proof he doesn't exist. She's agnostic now and avoids other cousins like I do, I'm willing to accept there's a very, very strong probability god or a higher power doesn't exist but if there could be even a slight chance it does exist why be so biatchy about it?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-30 09:01:38 PM  

Farking Canuck: gja: See highlighted section. Pot.....kettle. Kettle.....pot.
/you just cluter-farked your own argument

Good try.

Except one tiny problem. I wasn't talking about all christians. I was talking explicitly about all the christians who posted hateful posts in this thread.

I should have been more explicit. I'll give you that. But my post was all about looking at all the christian hate in this thread, I thought it was pretty obvious that I was referring to the creators of these posts.

You can pretend that I was talking about all christians though. It really wouldn't surprise me.


Well you did NOT specify, and it came off just that way. So, thanks for the clarification.

If you take the retort on relation to the way you did post, it was a valid one.

I for one am glad you admit some of us christians (even if many of us only keep a select part of it) can be better than that. I know I try.

Tone and inference is damned hard in black and white type friend.
 
2013-12-30 09:04:48 PM  
Nemo's Brother: The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

What about on this site? In this thread? No hatred from christians?

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

What is odd? He clearly admitted his reasons were not altruistic. He is a professional comedian doing something dickish to be funny. Why is this surprising?

When a true Christian Scotsman gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.

FIFY
 
2013-12-30 09:06:18 PM  

steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...


So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.
 
2013-12-30 09:06:21 PM  

mediablitz: Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group

Well thank God you are here to be spiteful!

Praise the Lord I lived! Too bad he killed off all those other people. That's sad. But YAY! Thank you Jesus for sparing me!

The funny thing is you don't even GET how stupid that is. More important to call other people miserable for pointing how suck ass that philosophy on life is. Good for me! Sucks to be them! Thanks Jesus!


And how was what I said "spiteful"?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-12-30 09:07:21 PM  

Farking Canuck: Nemo's Brother: The only anger and hatred I have seen in the story and in the comments on their site were from atheists.

What about on this site? In this thread? No hatred from christians?

I'll admit the atheists on Fark have been mostly ok today.  My view, help who you choose to. As a Christian, I don't mind that he choose to help only a fellow non-believer. It's just kind of odd that he did so not even caring a lick about that person.

What is odd? He clearly admitted his reasons were not altruistic. He is a professional comedian doing something dickish to be funny. Why is this surprising?

When a true  good Christian Scotsman gives to a cause, they don't care if a Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist or Jedi receive the aid. They just want to help. I know the average atheist that donates feels that way as well. This guy is just a douche.

FIFY


There, that's the way it SHOULD read.
 
2013-12-30 09:08:30 PM  

NEDM: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.

Here's the thing: he was trying to piss off a particular group of Christians, not in general.  Specifically, her Christian neighbors.

The same Christian neighbors who were also victims of the same tornado she was.


Was there any real harm caused to them by somebody else receiving money in addition to the money everybody was already getting from the Red Cross and such? If someone raised some extra money for one of my neighbors after a catastrophe to spite me, I'd be like "Uh, you just helped someone in a difficult situation. You sure showed me." It's not like Stanhope set up a reverse charity to steal donations already given to the neighbors.
 
2013-12-30 09:10:03 PM  

Farking Canuck: steamingpile: Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown.

See ... here is some of the dishonesty I have come to expect from christians.

You know that the vast majority of people who call themselves atheist to not make positive claims of the non-existence of gods. That we "accept that there is an unknown". We just ask that any claims to know things are supported by evidence.


Uh, no. "Accepting there is an unknown" is agnostic. I am an atheist, and I and the other atheists I know think religion is all fairy tales and superstition, and there is no God. I'm just not a prick who shoves it in other people's faces.

Of course, I can't speak for all atheists. Regarding the "vast majority" you speak of: [citation needed]. (Seriously, I'd be interested in survey results on the subject.)
 
2013-12-30 09:15:44 PM  

gerbilpox: Uh, no. "Accepting there is an unknown" is agnostic. I am an atheist, and I and the other atheists I know think religion is all fairy tales and superstition, and there is no God. I'm just not a prick who shoves it in other people's faces.

Of course, I can't speak for all atheists. Regarding the "vast majority" you speak of: [citation needed]. (Seriously, I'd be interested in survey results on the subject.)


Here we go again. A religious person either insisting that we use his definition of the word that we choose to call ourselves or simply building a strawman.

So which is it? Are you a semantics dick or do you just like to use dishonesty in your arguments??

For the record. I (and every atheist I know and have ever met) use the original definition of the word from the Greek atheos ... which directly translates to 'without god'. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without god. I am an atheist.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like what word I choose to call myself. But you do not get to tell me what I believe. Not if you are honest anyway.
 
2013-12-30 09:15:56 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: NEDM: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: I don't see Stanhope's as hateful on that level, and more "Wouldn't it be funny if we donated all this money to the woman who made Wolf Blitzer look like an idiot and pissed off some Christians at the same time?" It's like charity trolling.

Here's the thing: he was trying to piss off a particular group of Christians, not in general.  Specifically, her Christian neighbors.

The same Christian neighbors who were also victims of the same tornado she was.

Was there any real harm caused to them by somebody else receiving money in addition to the money everybody was already getting from the Red Cross and such? If someone raised some extra money for one of my neighbors after a catastrophe to spite me, I'd be like "Uh, you just helped someone in a difficult situation. You sure showed me." It's not like Stanhope set up a reverse charity to steal donations already given to the neighbors.


It's the motivation behind it.  It's not a case of "I'm helping someone in a difficult situation", it's a case of "I'm making sure this person is better off than you simply because *fark you.*  I hope you're still eating off of FEMA food trucks when she's getting a giant check."  And I ask again, if you've got no problem with it in this instance, would you have a problem with the KKK doing it?
 
2013-12-30 09:16:52 PM  

Paintbox: wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]

I am a Christian, and no Stanhope isn't hurting you guys. At least not in my eyes.
I think Stanhope is a brilliant comedian who makes people think. I agree with a majority of his views, and understand his disdain (and I imagine your disdain as well) for religion.
I share that disdain in some ways, so I practice my religion as I understand it, "live and let live."*
As far as the views I disagree with, I don't sweat it.

*Tempered by alcohol


Bravo!  You could have gone with "do unto to others as you would done unto you" (pretty much the same thing) and I'd have agreed as wholeheartedly.  That's the tenet I think many Christians fail to comprehend although you obviously do.  I was raised Catholic but the best I can define my beliefs is as being agnostic although I'm not sure that completely fits either.

*Also tempered by alcohol
**Alcohol tends to temper
***Favorited
 
2013-12-30 09:19:02 PM  

mediablitz: Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group

As a former evangelical christian (in full recovery) yes, that is EXACTLY how you think. Well THEY died, probably because of something they DID. I lived because I'm right with God!

It's about as petty and spiteful as one can get. Congratulations on being a miserable human being. Don't look too hard in that mirror...


No, that is how YOU think. They weren't thanking God for the dead; it is more likely that they prayed for the families of the deceased to be comforted.
My church sent a cleaning/building crew to Katrina and they still have a crew up in Long Island helping rebuild. How many atheists groups have bothered to help out in times of disaster?
 
2013-12-30 09:21:10 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


If your beliefs are such that you know they conflict with not just 95% of the world's population, that's pretty isolating. Not to mention, every time you decline to participate in a ritual (not praying, saying happy holidays, etc), you know that you're willfully disconnecting yourself from a large segment of society. And when you do discuss those beliefs with someone who thinks differently, you know you're not just telling them they're wrong, you're also telling them that everyone they've ever trusted and loved and that has loved them is wrong too. You'd be miserable in such a situation too.
 
2013-12-30 09:21:44 PM  

Farking Canuck: gerbilpox: Uh, no. "Accepting there is an unknown" is agnostic. I am an atheist, and I and the other atheists I know think religion is all fairy tales and superstition, and there is no God. I'm just not a prick who shoves it in other people's faces.

Of course, I can't speak for all atheists. Regarding the "vast majority" you speak of: [citation needed]. (Seriously, I'd be interested in survey results on the subject.)

Here we go again. A religious person either insisting that we use his definition of the word that we choose to call ourselves or simply building a strawman.

So which is it? Are you a semantics dick or do you just like to use dishonesty in your arguments??

For the record. I (and every atheist I know and have ever met) use the original definition of the word from the Greek atheos ... which directly translates to 'without god'. I hold no beliefs in gods therefore I am without god. I am an atheist.

I don't give a rat's ass if you don't like what word I choose to call myself. But you do not get to tell me what I believe. Not if you are honest anyway.


Oops ... I usually get that argument from religious people. I read fast so I may have skimmed a bit.

I stand by my point though: You do not get to tell everyone what definition of the words they have to use.

As to your point: Do you believe unicorns are real? Do you accept that maybe they may have existed in the past? If a fossil was found would you reconsider? If many fossils were found independently and verified independently would you reconsider??

If you say yes to any of the above (especially the last one) then, according to your argument, you are agnostic about unicorns.
 
2013-12-30 09:23:56 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Not that Stanhope's actions will get through to them, but good on him anyhow. He didn't have to do anything for anyone, but he did more than anyone who reads these threads ever will, christians and atheists alike.


2/10  One for me responding and another for not capitalizing "Christians".  The extremely broad brush is often a wonderful indicator of a troll attempt.
 
2013-12-30 09:29:26 PM  

NEDM: It's the motivation behind it. It's not a case of "I'm helping someone in a difficult situation", it's a case of "I'm making sure this person is better off than you simply because *fark you.* I hope you're still eating off of FEMA food trucks when she's getting a giant check." And I ask again, if you've got no problem with it in this instance, would you have a problem with the KKK doing it?


I just don't think the motivations matter all that much when the end result is the same. And as I said earlier, I wouldn't personally take money from a group as extreme as the KKK because it would look like I agree with their ideology, but I wouldn't fault anyone else for taking it. It's not like the neighbors aren't entitled to anyone else's charity money. You'd think they'd be happy that one of their own was getting a leg up on rebuilding their life instead of moping around about how insulted they feel.

It just seems like a pointless resentment to carry around, considering the alternative to this one person being helped was no people being helped.
 
2013-12-30 09:33:38 PM  

Lee451: How many atheists groups have bothered to help out in times of disaster?


Depends on if you count the federal government. It has a fairly substantial disaster relief program for a secular institution.
 
2013-12-30 09:38:04 PM  
It's nice to see a real support structure for secular humanists.
 
2013-12-30 09:41:09 PM  

NEDM: TV's Vinnie: Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.

While that mindset is totally wrong, this situation doesn't "debunk" it at all.  Stanhope literally only raised the money as a massive "fark you" to the woman's Christian neighbors.  In his own words:  "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

You can agree with the sentiment all you want, but you can't spin that as love for your fellow man or compassion.


Apparently, you haven't been around fundies enough.
 
2013-12-30 09:42:49 PM  
"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it  simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

I hope atheists aren't propping this guy up as some sort of anti christian champion and  crusader because I don't think he'll be very effective.
As to Christians thanking god part, that's just intellectually dishonest to say they are also implying that they are thankful their neighbors got killed! To purposefully imply that was their intention just means you're a dishonest douche.
 
2013-12-30 09:43:00 PM  

Mr. Breeze: TV's Vinnie:

Sez you. I like how something like this totally debunks the born-again BS about "If you're not a Christian then you're an immoral monster with no love for your fellow man", as if organized religion has an exclusive patent on compassion.


Except it was done to spite religious people and not out of compassion for a fellow human being. So, yeah...


He helped a woman who wasn't going to bow down to Republican JAY-ZUSS and provided her with the means to escape Oklahoma to a place where her womb isn't the Property of The Church. I think that's Compassion with a capitol C.
 
2013-12-30 09:46:56 PM  
Where do I sign up? I'll do it for $1.26.
 
2013-12-30 09:49:51 PM  

Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...

So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.


I have had hundreds of interactions with atheists and all save one was confrontational starting on their end and keep in mind I'm not even christian, I'm agnostic.

I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.

My point is there are a lot more religious than atheists and if its not oppressive then there is no reason to raise a stink. Most of these people biatch about shiat thats not oppressive at all.

Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.
 
2013-12-30 10:02:00 PM  

steamingpile: I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.


Hold on, I have yet another pair of Christians knocking on my door to tell me how horrible I am for not being just like them. BRB.
 
2013-12-30 10:03:33 PM  

steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...

So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.

I have had hundreds of interactions with atheists and all save one was confrontational starting on their end and keep in mind I'm not even christian, I'm agnostic.

I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.

My point is there are a lot more religious than atheists and if its not oppressive then there is no reason to raise a stink. Most of these people biatch about shiat thats not oppressive at all.

Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.


How about christians codifying their hate into law just because people that don't follow their religion may be doing something they don't like? Is that prickish enough to be considered oppression?

When I lived in Alabama, I would say 90% of the time, at least, when you met a new person their first two questions to you were "what football team do you support?" quickly followed by "what church do you go to?" To say that's not people mentioning religion is to have a highly blinded view of your average clay....
 
2013-12-30 10:09:14 PM  

hardinparamedic: We shall drink deeply of the bourbon, scotch and rye until such time as we are fighting drunk.

Then we shall find, and beat the asses of the nonbelievers!

[i.cdn.turner.com image 400x300]


Always nice to meet another Alvian.
 
2013-12-30 10:16:51 PM  
How unfair to all of the other atheists living there.
 
2013-12-30 10:28:19 PM  
I felt bad for her being put on the spot, and I was proud of her for being straight up about not believing.  I'm glad she got the money.

But the comedian (never heard of him before) still sounds like a major asshole.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummmm.. actually, people do still care. Lots. If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected. Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality. Sad, but true.


I live in Texas.  Technically, based on the Texas Constitution, I can't run for office.  If it were allowed, I'm sure that running openly as an atheist would cost a lot of votes, but the bottom line, is that the religious folks have outlawed it.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CN/htm/CN.1.htm

Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

steamingpile: Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.

 

She didn't bring it up, Wolf Blitzer did.  And the first time he asked her, she tried not answering.  He wasn't willing to let it go.  The fact that you think that makes her a coont says something about you.
 
2013-12-30 10:29:57 PM  
*shrug* OK.

You're not bad because you're an atheist. You're bad because you're an asshole.
 
2013-12-30 10:42:44 PM  
I really don't think the left needs their own Rush Limbaugh, and anyway this guy is libertarian not liberal.

Rush loves to say things, not because they are intelligent or good ideas, but "just to piss off the liberals". However, liberals don't get pissed off because they don't listen to him. Instead you have his devoted ditto heads repeating what he says, thinking that makes them cool and edgy.
 
2013-12-30 10:48:37 PM  

nekom: what_now: You know, I do understand how a deeply upset and traumatized person can react by "thanking God" for saving them, but it's always annoyed me when athletes talk about how "God" helped them score a touchdown/goal/homerun.

Millions of people in slavery, poverty and despair, but God's gonna focus on your batting average?

And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj


Since no one has bothered giving credit yet, here it is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXV0VKX2m6Q
 
2013-12-30 10:55:04 PM  
If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.
 
2013-12-30 10:57:47 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: bugmn99: Of course, God will then kill Harold and hurt everyone he loves, as per protocol.

God got around to smiting evil, heathen Harold at 84.


I saw Harold at a party
Trouzy threw Late one night.
I said, "hey man,
Do you remember me?"
He said, "O' course
I do Snapdad and
Let me tell ya right
'Bout now I'm lit
Up like an ol' Christmas tree."
Hey bro you know I'd
Like to thank you once again for let'n me
Hang with ya' all across the bay.
When I look back at that night I get me a
Warm spot across my heart." Then he shook my hand,
And walked away.
That's the last I seen of Harold.
 
2013-12-30 11:01:36 PM  

mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".


You know, if I pull someone out of a burning car, but am unable to save others trapped inside, should that person spend most of their time blaming me for killing the other passengers?

The idea is that god drives the positive force. It's a way to make life about something larger than oneself. It doesn't always work for one reason: people suck.
 
2013-12-30 11:02:27 PM  

Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group


Why not? You do it all the time.
 
2013-12-30 11:06:44 PM  

grumpfuff: Lee451: mediablitz: He's exactly right. What kind of sicko thanks "God" for killing his neighbors? Shouldn't the proper answer be "God is an asshole for killing all these people and destroying all these lives. Why would I thank him?".

Do you honestly believe that is how the survivors feel? They were grateful that they had survived. But never allow the facts to get in your way.

/Atheists tend to be a petty, miserable group

Why not? You do it all the time.


A: Holding fact as standard means not abandoning them when an opportunity to be a dick presents itself, but requires eschewing rational thought.
 
2013-12-30 11:14:56 PM  
yeah, just because i was taught it was polite, i usually say "bless you" if somebody near me sneezes.
and yeah, sometimes it is an asshole atheist, who then needs to point out that they don't believe in god, as if i gave a flying fook.
so i just tell them to fark off and die in a fire.
 
2013-12-30 11:19:15 PM  

truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...

So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.

I have had hundreds of interactions with atheists and all save one was confrontational starting on their end and keep in mind I'm not even christian, I'm agnostic.

I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.

My point is there are a lot more religious than atheists and if its not oppressive then there is no reason to raise a stink. Most of these people biatch about shiat thats not oppressive at all.

Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.

How about christians codifying their hate into law just because people that don't follow their religion may be doing something they don't like? Is that prickish enough to be considered oppression?

When I lived in Alabama, I would say 90% of the time, at least, when you met a new person their first two questions to you were "what football team do you support?" quickly followed by "what church do you go to?" To say that's not people mentioning religion is to have a highly blinded view of your average clay....


Funny I have lived in the deep south my whole life and have NEVER been asked where I attend church, even by girls families I dated when I was younger and single.

So again I call bullshiat on asking what church, what college you support I can understand since that's more important than religion in the south.
 
2013-12-30 11:22:07 PM  

JuggleGeek: I felt bad for her being put on the spot, and I was proud of her for being straight up about not believing.  I'm glad she got the money.

But the comedian (never heard of him before) still sounds like a major asshole.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummmm.. actually, people do still care. Lots. If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected. Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality. Sad, but true.

I live in Texas.  Technically, based on the Texas Constitution, I can't run for office.  If it were allowed, I'm sure that running openly as an atheist would cost a lot of votes, but the bottom line, is that the religious folks have outlawed it.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CN/htm/CN.1.htm

Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

steamingpile: Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.
 

She didn't bring it up, Wolf Blitzer did.  And the first time he asked her, she tried not answering.  He wasn't willing to let it go.  The fact that you think that makes her a coont says something about you.


Yes which is why I said response, not her question, its like she was insulted to even be asked.

Drop the smugness, it does nothing for the cause, provide rational reasoning without screaming or yelling and let it go if they choose to have faith.

The only religious issues that have been passed in the past have been to display the 10 commandments or manger scene. Who the hell cares....let it go.
 
2013-12-30 11:32:24 PM  

steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...

So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.

I have had hundreds of interactions with atheists and all save one was confrontational starting on their end and keep in mind I'm not even christian, I'm agnostic.

I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.

My point is there are a lot more religious than atheists and if its not oppressive then there is no reason to raise a stink. Most of these people biatch about shiat thats not oppressive at all.

Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.

How about christians codifying their hate into law just because people that don't follow their religion may be doing something they don't like? Is that prickish enough to be considered oppression?

When I lived in Alabama, I would say 90% of the time, at least, when you met a new person their first two questions to you were "what football team do you support?" quickly followed by "what church do you go to?" To say that's not people mentioning religion is to have a highly blinded view of your average clay....

Funny I have lived in the deep south my whole life and have NEVER been asked where I attend church, even by girls families I dated when I was younger and single.

So again I call bullshiat on asking what church, what college you support I can understand since that's more important than religion in the south.


And I call bullshiat on you never having been asked that. Idiots in the south live on knowing which sky club you belong to.
 
2013-12-30 11:34:18 PM  

Popular Opinion: yeah, just because i was taught it was polite, i usually say "bless you" if somebody near me sneezes.
and yeah, sometimes it is an asshole atheist, who then needs to point out that they don't believe in god, as if i gave a flying fook.
so i just tell them to fark off and die in a fire.


HURRDY HURRDY HURR DURR HURR
 
2013-12-30 11:34:59 PM  

steamingpile: truthseeker2083: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Phoenix87ta: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: steamingpile: Benevolent Misanthrope: Sign my ass up, man.  Stanhope should hang out here on Fark and see me get in trouble with the religitards on a weekly basis.

Problem is he's 100% wrong, its not the farking 60-70s any longer, nobody gives a shiat about your religious preferences.

And I bet you argue with more people that just like to tweak you but don't give a shiat about religion or your made up slights in the name of religion.

People like this remind of the reddit atheists who make up stories of their Darwin fish being ripped off by minivans that are covered in religious bumper stickers when it was just someone they cut off in traffic.

Nobody gives a shiat what you do or don't believe, get over yourselves and quit acting like your persecuted.

Ummmm.. actually, people do still care.  Lots.  If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected.  Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality.  Sad, but true.

No its not, a majority of politicians are not religious at all and people no longer associate morality with religion. Sorry to burst your bubble but its just not true.

And atheists don't get elected because most are just agnostic rather than atheist and I know of more than one of those in office. Agnostics are more open minded than atheists because they are willing to accept that there is an unknown. Atheists seem to go out of their way to scream at anyone that doubts god doesn't exist.

And yet you griped upthread about people painting Christians with a broad brush.  Way to go.

I have quite a few family members that are atheist and all are pricks even though none of the religious side gives them grief. They act all put out by them even though they are pleasant to them and not preachy, they act shiatty because my aunt dared to have her crucifix out when they came to her house for a family fu ...

So basically what you're saying is that YOUR broad generalizations are okay.

I have had hundreds of interactions with atheists and all save one was confrontational starting on their end and keep in mind I'm not even christian, I'm agnostic.

I would say very few atheists have interactions with religious people as much since most people never mention religion and choose to socialize at other functions.

My point is there are a lot more religious than atheists and if its not oppressive then there is no reason to raise a stink. Most of these people biatch about shiat thats not oppressive at all.

Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.

How about christians codifying their hate into law just because people that don't follow their religion may be doing something they don't like? Is that prickish enough to be considered oppression?

When I lived in Alabama, I would say 90% of the time, at least, when you met a new person their first two questions to you were "what football team do you support?" quickly followed by "what church do you go to?" To say that's not people mentioning religion is to have a highly blinded view of your average clay....

Funny I have lived in the deep south my whole life and have NEVER been asked where I attend church, even by girls families I dated when I was younger and single.

So again I call bullshiat on asking what church, what college you support I can understand since that's more important than religion in the south.


And again, what say you on christians enshrining their hate into law? Where is the gay atheist's freedom of his religious beliefs (or lack thereof) to marry the man of his choice? How prickish is that in the oppressive scheme of things?
 
2013-12-30 11:38:24 PM  

whidbey: Popular Opinion: yeah, just because i was taught it was polite, i usually say "bless you" if somebody near me sneezes.
and yeah, sometimes it is an asshole atheist, who then needs to point out that they don't believe in god, as if i gave a flying fook.
so i just tell them to fark off and die in a fire.

HURRDY HURRDY HURR DURR HURR


well spoken

for you
 
2013-12-30 11:46:36 PM  

steamingpile: JuggleGeek: I felt bad for her being put on the spot, and I was proud of her for being straight up about not believing.  I'm glad she got the money.

But the comedian (never heard of him before) still sounds like a major asshole.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummmm.. actually, people do still care. Lots. If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected. Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality. Sad, but true.

I live in Texas.  Technically, based on the Texas Constitution, I can't run for office.  If it were allowed, I'm sure that running openly as an atheist would cost a lot of votes, but the bottom line, is that the religious folks have outlawed it.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CN/htm/CN.1.htm

Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

steamingpile: Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.
 

She didn't bring it up, Wolf Blitzer did.  And the first time he asked her, she tried not answering.  He wasn't willing to let it go.  The fact that you think that makes her a coont says something about you.

Yes which is why I said response, not her question, its like she was insulted to even be asked.

Drop the smugness, it does nothing for the cause, provide rational reasoning without screaming or yelling and let it go if they choose to have faith.

The only religious issues that have been passed in the past have been to display the 10 commandments or manger scene. Who the hell cares....let it go.


How is her response smug? You're really farking sensitive to this shiat. Why should anyone give up the fight against this incessant need to post the farking ten commandments in every goddamn building of our court system along with the occasional school thrown in for good measure? I wonder if they'd mind the Yajnavalkya Smriti or similar posted alongside them.
 
2013-12-30 11:57:13 PM  

s2s2s2: If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.


For the 834,727 time, Atheists (like me) are not "angry at God."  We don't consider him...we live without a belief and a faith in the divine. Please take my word for this and stop thinking otherwise.
 
2013-12-30 11:57:16 PM  
Beliefs are a funny thing. For some reason they always direct you to open you wallet.
 
2013-12-31 12:00:07 AM  

SurfaceTension: s2s2s2: If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.

For the 834,727 time, Atheists (like me) are not "angry at God."  We don't consider him...we live without a belief and a faith in the divine. Please take my word for this and stop thinking otherwise.


Some religious people may be completely surprised at how little atheists actually think about god. Also, the lack of emotion regarding god or gods of any stripe.
 
2013-12-31 12:06:06 AM  
I'm a believer in God, in a very abstract and tangential way..

No problem, in what that lady said, or even the things that bill maher says about religion. God bless em, it's a free country..

Doug Stanhope comes off as an unfunny asshole, in this matter, and pretty much every other time he talks about religion. "I hope her neighbors are eating off FEMA trucks when she gets the check"..
congratulations, there a line between being irreverent, and just being a mean spirited asshole, and you've crossed it...

Ricki Gervais too, "I'm happy and rich and nothing happens when you die", "religion is stupid, and I'm smarter than you because I don't have one" -- you can only tweet variations on these themes so many times before it becomes incredibly tiresome.
 
2013-12-31 12:07:31 AM  

truthseeker2083: And I call bullshiat on you never having been asked that. Idiots in the south live on knowing which sky club you belong to.


Not looking to insert myself into a pissing match here but I have lived in LA, FL, NC, and SC and have never been asked which church I belonged to...by anyone, ever...to the best of my recollection.  I have however been invited to attend church, often.  It has been enlightening (so to speak) to experience many different Christian flavors.  I've decided that the religion that fits me best is the Church of Al's Hat...live and let live, do unto others as you have them do unto you, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, why can't we all get along, etc...
 
2013-12-31 12:10:39 AM  

truthseeker2083: And I call bullshiat on you never having been asked that. Idiots in the south live on knowing which sky club you belong to.


It depends. The urban areas vs. rural areas are different stories. In the rural areas, they love to get into your business much more than in the big cities.
 
2013-12-31 12:14:04 AM  

dforkus: Ricki Gervais too, "I'm happy and rich and nothing happens when you die", "religion is stupid, and I'm smarter than you because I don't have one" -- you can only tweet variations on these themes so many times before it becomes incredibly tiresome.


Hold on, I have a couple more missionaries knocking on my door to tell me what a piece of shiat I am without Jesus.
 
2013-12-31 12:15:38 AM  

SurfaceTension: s2s2s2: If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.

For the 834,727 time, Atheists (like me) are not "angry at God."  We don't consider him...we live without a belief and a faith in the divine. Please take my word for this and stop thinking otherwise.


Are you like, the pope of the atheists?
 
2013-12-31 12:16:17 AM  

dforkus: I'm a believer in God, in a very abstract and tangential way..

No problem, in what that lady said, or even the things that bill maher says about religion. God bless em, it's a free country..

Doug Stanhope comes off as an unfunny asshole, in this matter, and pretty much every other time he talks about religion. "I hope her neighbors are eating off FEMA trucks when she gets the check"..
congratulations, there a line between being irreverent, and just being a mean spirited asshole, and you've crossed it...

Ricki Gervais too, "I'm happy and rich and nothing happens when you die", "religion is stupid, and I'm smarter than you because I don't have one" -- you can only tweet variations on these themes so many times before it becomes incredibly tiresome.


Amen and amen.
 
2013-12-31 12:22:27 AM  

s2s2s2: SurfaceTension: s2s2s2: If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.

For the 834,727 time, Atheists (like me) are not "angry at God."  We don't consider him...we live without a belief and a faith in the divine. Please take my word for this and stop thinking otherwise.

Are you like, the pope of the atheists?


Yeah.

It's much more accurate to say that people flock to religion because they're pissed that they've figured out they're just bio-chemical reactions, no more special than bubbling soda and vinegar, that will eventually play out in an indifferent universe. You're all just angry at nature.
 
2013-12-31 12:27:02 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: dforkus: Ricki Gervais too, "I'm happy and rich and nothing happens when you die", "religion is stupid, and I'm smarter than you because I don't have one" -- you can only tweet variations on these themes so many times before it becomes incredibly tiresome.

Hold on, I have a couple more missionaries knocking on my door to tell me what a piece of shiat I am without Jesus.


they really say that?
i've heard a few schpeels,but none were rude, besides perhaps the wrong assumption that they were better read on the subject.
 
2013-12-31 12:37:17 AM  

Popular Opinion: they really say that?
i've heard a few schpeels,but none were rude, besides perhaps the wrong assumption that they were better read on the subject.


It's rude just to knock on a stranger's door because you think you understand the universe better than anyone who isn't part of your congregation, and you feel the need to enlighten them to your delusion in order to save them from themselves.

It's exactly the same as knocking on their door and saying, "Hi. I don't know you, but I'm smarter and better than you are, and so smug about it that I'll spend all day going door-to-door telling people how much happier and enlightened I am than they are, even though I've never before had conversations with any of them and don't know anything about them."

And people complain about a few celebrity tweets that they can ignore?
 
2013-12-31 12:38:17 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: s2s2s2: SurfaceTension: s2s2s2: If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.

For the 834,727 time, Atheists (like me) are not "angry at God."  We don't consider him...we live without a belief and a faith in the divine. Please take my word for this and stop thinking otherwise.

Are you like, the pope of the atheists?

Yeah.

It's much more accurate to say that people flock to religion because they're pissed that they've figured out they're just bio-chemical reactions, no more special than bubbling soda and vinegar, that will eventually play out in an indifferent universe. You're all just angry at nature.


in my experience, people can get a range of things out of belonging to a church.
comfort, community, camaraderie...not things necessarily tied to god or faith.
some are probably just lonely.
some like guidelines and rules and structure.

i don't think it is fair to bash everyone because 'how smart can you be if you believe god?"....considering the good things i have seen happen when a community gets together to help others.

of course community doesn't have to be a congregation, but it seems people hardly even know their neighbors anymore compared to when i was growing up.
 
2013-12-31 12:44:19 AM  

TheWhoppah: Lenny_da_Hog: The woman excitedly looked each person in the face saying "Thank Jesus! Thank Jesus!" over and over again while they waited for emergency services to show up. She never thanked Harold.

Harold is the name of her god.  She prays like this: "Our Father which art in heaven, Harold be thy name."


"Our Father, who art in Heaven, Harold be thy name."
 
2013-12-31 12:45:20 AM  
Well, fark me: I just repeated you instead of writing what I'd intended.

Dumbass.

"Hark the Harold angels sing...."

/going to sleep now
 
2013-12-31 12:45:49 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Popular Opinion: they really say that?
i've heard a few schpeels,but none were rude, besides perhaps the wrong assumption that they were better read on the subject.

It's rude just to knock on a stranger's door because you think you understand the universe better than anyone who isn't part of your congregation, and you feel the need to enlighten them to your delusion in order to save them from themselves.

It's exactly the same as knocking on their door and saying, "Hi. I don't knowt you, but I'm smarter and better than you are, and so smug about it that I'll spend all day going door-to-door telling people how much happier and enlightened I am than they are, even though I've never before had conversations with any of them and don't know anything about them."

And people complain about a few celebrity tweets that they can ignore?


haha. i like ricky gervais. ghost town was great. i get tired of his godless crap too, but not annoyed enough to make a dealio out of it, and i don't even disagree with him, i just think what others believe shouldn't be any of his concern.

as for those numbnuts knocking on your door and bothering you, they believe they were instructed by god to "spread the word" and it is not (i believe) an attempt to belittle you or anyone. they actually believe they might help somebody go to heaven and they don't care if they get sworn at, door slammed, kicked and spit at...they will keep trying to save somebody.
while equally annoyed, i try to take this into consideration when i tell them "thank you, no."
 
2013-12-31 12:47:28 AM  

Popular Opinion: of course community doesn't have to be a congregation, but it seems people hardly even know their neighbors anymore compared to when i was growing up.


Right. You can get that sense of belonging out of any other gang... Crips, Bloods, Outlaws, Hell's Angels, Baptists, Methodists....

But I was really just ridiculing any theists who think atheists are really theists who don't like to eat their vegetables or something.
 
2013-12-31 12:47:52 AM  

madgonad: hey actually do it every damn day.

If you want to eat at the local City Union Mission - you have to go to the religious service and pray.

This is the #1 reason that religious people hate the government helping out poor people. The poors are supposed to grovel and beg for their meals. And the have to listen to the church services telling them that they are sinners and how Jesus is the only way.

THAT is why this guy is a prick. If he wanted to make a statement he should have just said that he wanted assistance to get to the people who refuse to kowtow to religion in order to get help.


Wow, so delusional.

First off, 'religious people' actually open places like the City Union Mission, while the atheists / agnostics do little / nothing to help the poor.

How many atheists / agnostic run 'missions'?
How many atheists / agnostic run hospitals?

Second, being charitable is not only beneficial to the people receiving the charity, it also can be uplifting to the people being charitable.....when the government takes money there is no 'choice' and it is not 'charity'.

Not to mention the fact that the government needs $100 of tax payer money to get $5 worth product / service (unless there is someone stupid enough to tell us that the government spends our money better/wiser than we can...I mean $100 for a $5 hammer is a good deal right?)

Bottom line, atheists / agnostics don't open missions for the poor or hospitals for this sick/needy with 1/20th the consistency of those who are 'of faith', but it is those religious nut jobs that are ruining the country....close the missions and close the hospitals, that will show those religious nut jobs.
 
2013-12-31 12:50:13 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "Comedian Raised $126k for Atheist Tornado Victim to Piss Off Christians"

I'd doubt any of her christian neighbors will get pissed off about it, so basically all this guy proved is how big a jerk he is.


"God works in mysterious ways."
 
2013-12-31 12:58:39 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Popular Opinion: of course community doesn't have to be a congregation, but it seems people hardly even know their neighbors anymore compared to when i was growing up.

Right. You can get that sense of belonging out of any other gang... Crips, Bloods, Outlaws, Hell's Angels, Baptists, Methodists....

But I was really just ridiculing any theists who think atheists are really theists who don't like to eat their vegetables or something.


hahah, the birth of an athiest = church or football?

faith is a gift not everyone receives.
 
2013-12-31 12:59:56 AM  

Divinegrace: First off, 'religious people' actually open places like the City Union Mission, while the atheists / agnostics do little / nothing to help the poor.


How do you know this?

The only reason you see religious organizations is because there are enough people to make religious organizations, and those organizations want to advertise for themselves.

Bill Gates is an atheist, and has set up a multi-billion-dollar foundation for education and the alleviation of suffering. Warren Buffett is also non-religious, and has donated billions.

And that part about the Government stealing your money and it not being charity? Many voters think the government is much more efficient and impartial than religious charities -- you don't have to sit through an hour lecture on how horrible you are before you get food stamps.

The Red Cross is non-religious and impartial, and doles out some of the most efficient relief in times of emergency.

You're just on a high-horse because you have higher numbers. There's no data that says Christians are automatically more charitable than the non-religious.
 
2013-12-31 01:03:00 AM  

Divinegrace: Not to mention the fact that the government needs $100 of tax payer money to get $5 worth product / service (unless there is someone stupid enough to tell us that the government spends our money better/wiser than we can...I mean $100 for a $5 hammer is a good deal right?)


That's a pretty bold statement. Would you care to back it up with evidence relating to Social Security and Medicare?
 
2013-12-31 01:07:26 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: s2s2s2: SurfaceTension: s2s2s2: If I've got millions of children who have chosen to be on good terms with me, why should I give a fark about all you who don't visit, or go so far as to denounce me? You ain't my kids. FARK YOU!

-God.

Also, way to show it's more about your anger at god than your caring for people, Stanhope.

For the 834,727 time, Atheists (like me) are not "angry at God."  We don't consider him...we live without a belief and a faith in the divine. Please take my word for this and stop thinking otherwise.

Are you like, the pope of the atheists?

Yeah.

It's much more accurate to say that people flock to religion because they're pissed that they've figured out they're just bio-chemical reactions, no more special than bubbling soda and vinegar, that will eventually play out in an indifferent universe. You're all just angry at nature.


Why would the religious be mad at creation?
 
2013-12-31 01:17:15 AM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Divinegrace: Not to mention the fact that the government needs $100 of tax payer money to get $5 worth product / service (unless there is someone stupid enough to tell us that the government spends our money better/wiser than we can...I mean $100 for a $5 hammer is a good deal right?)

That's a pretty bold statement. Would you care to back it up with evidence relating to Social Security and Medicare?


You mean other than the fact that both are going to dry up, not because they were not funded...but because the government spent the money on 'pet projects' instead of keeping their damned hands off it?
 
2013-12-31 01:18:14 AM  

s2s2s2: Why would the religious be mad at creation?


Are you like, the pope of theists?
 
2013-12-31 01:20:55 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Divinegrace: First off, 'religious people' actually open places like the City Union Mission, while the atheists / agnostics do little / nothing to help the poor.

How do you know this?

The only reason you see religious organizations is because there are enough people to make religious organizations, and those organizations want to advertise for themselves.

Bill Gates is an atheist, and has set up a multi-billion-dollar foundation for education and the alleviation of suffering. Warren Buffett is also non-religious, and has donated billions.

And that part about the Government stealing your money and it not being charity? Many voters think the government is much more efficient and impartial than religious charities -- you don't have to sit through an hour lecture on how horrible you are before you get food stamps.

The Red Cross is non-religious and impartial, and doles out some of the most efficient relief in times of emergency.

You're just on a high-horse because you have higher numbers. There's no data that says Christians are automatically more charitable than the non-religious.


Then please by all means tell everyone the names of the atheists / agnostic run homeless shelters / hospitals in your city. I am SURE there are more of them than those open / run by 'religious nuts jobs'....right?
 
2013-12-31 01:34:56 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: s2s2s2: Why would the religious be mad at creation?

Are you like, the pope of theists?


I asked a question. I didn't decide to speak for all religious people. Someone who speaks for all atheists might be gunning for pope of atheists, tho.

I thought you atheists were supposed to be smart.
 
2013-12-31 01:36:57 AM  

Divinegrace: Then please by all means tell everyone the names of the atheists / agnostic run homeless shelters / hospitals in your city. I am SURE there are more of them than those open / run by 'religious nuts jobs'....right?


How would you know? Do you think atheists walk around with Scarlet As on their vests? We're a small part of the US population.

In Sweden, where the nonreligious are the vast majority of the population, the quality of life is demonstrably far superior to that in the US by any number of metrics. You can google that.

You know the religious charities because they do it to spread religion. In order for religion to spread, it's necessary to find people who are either emotionally undeveloped, or in emotional turmoil -- either in early childhood, or right after a disaster or period of desperation in their lives.

They use charity as bait for desperate fish.
 
2013-12-31 01:40:31 AM  

s2s2s2: Lenny_da_Hog: s2s2s2: Why would the religious be mad at creation?

Are you like, the pope of theists?

I asked a question. I didn't decide to speak for all religious people. Someone who speaks for all atheists might be gunning for pope of atheists, tho.

I thought you atheists were supposed to be smart.


While I know many, Many, MANY 'knowledgeable' atheists, I don't know many that are 'wise' (to be fair I do know a few who are also 'wise', just not many). Still, atheists think that 'knowledge' is the end all be all, and miss out on what is really important (they lack wisdom).
 
2013-12-31 01:43:10 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Divinegrace: Then please by all means tell everyone the names of the atheists / agnostic run homeless shelters / hospitals in your city. I am SURE there are more of them than those open / run by 'religious nuts jobs'....right?

How would you know? Do you think atheists walk around with Scarlet As on their vests? We're a small part of the US population.

In Sweden, where the nonreligious are the vast majority of the population, the quality of life is demonstrably far superior to that in the US by any number of metrics. You can google that.

You know the religious charities because they do it to spread religion. In order for religion to spread, it's necessary to find people who are either emotionally undeveloped, or in emotional turmoil -- either in early childhood, or right after a disaster or period of desperation in their lives.

They use charity as bait for desperate fish.


So not even ONE homeless shelter or Hospital that is funded by atheists / agnostics that you can cite then....I am not surprised.
 
2013-12-31 01:51:34 AM  
For those arguing about who is more charitable, Christians or non, take a closer look at most Christian charity drives.

Most of them involve sermons tailored to tug at the heartstrings, which then, in turn, tug at the wallet.  Think CCF would get as many donations with just a text ad instead of photos and videos of kids looking all sad and weepy (hey, screw the grown-ups, who are probably starving MORE so that their kids can eat, right?).  Other drives remind Christians how great their reward will be in the afterlife if they are charitable in life, as if karma was a lottery ticket with a 10:1 payout.  Even the collection plate is a subconscious trigger.  You see the person on your left toss a $20 in the plate and suddenly you feel really shiatty about only donating $1.  This is also why many ushers tend to toss their own tithes into the plates before they even start circulating, as seeing money already in there triggers the guilt-need to match or exceed.

Bottom line: Most Christians are charitable merely from being guilted or pressured into it.  Remove the judgemental frowns of the dead-god-on-a-stick and their fellow faithful and more Christians would keep their wallets closed, showing the real numbers of charity.
 
2013-12-31 02:03:23 AM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: For those arguing about who is more charitable, Christians or non, take a closer look at most Christian charity drives.

Most of them involve sermons tailored to tug at the heartstrings, which then, in turn, tug at the wallet.  Think CCF would get as many donations with just a text ad instead of photos and videos of kids looking all sad and weepy (hey, screw the grown-ups, who are probably starving MORE so that their kids can eat, right?).  Other drives remind Christians how great their reward will be in the afterlife if they are charitable in life, as if karma was a lottery ticket with a 10:1 payout.  Even the collection plate is a subconscious trigger.  You see the person on your left toss a $20 in the plate and suddenly you feel really shiatty about only donating $1.  This is also why many ushers tend to toss their own tithes into the plates before they even start circulating, as seeing money already in there triggers the guilt-need to match or exceed.

Bottom line: Most Christians are charitable merely from being guilted or pressured into it.  Remove the judgemental frowns of the dead-god-on-a-stick and their fellow faithful and more Christians would keep their wallets closed, showing the real numbers of charity.


It is good to know we have an expert on motivations of charitable Christians. I am sure that you have done double blind studies on this, and you are not just talking out your tail.

You are right though, Christians are charitable out of guilt and on guilt alone. Being charitable is not a reward on its own merit and if not for guilt no Christian would ever be charitable. /rollseyes

That goes back to the point that if the government is taking the money from people and doing the work then the people no longer get the only benefit that comes from being charitable (the satisfaction of seeing the benefits of their charity)

As for hospitals and health care....in America the majority hospitals and health care are not about healing the sick or caring for the wounded...its about making money PERIOD.

The only exceptions are those open / run by 'religious nut jobs' (like the Shriner's) who are crazy because they care more about healing the sick and caring for the injured than they do about how much money they have in the bank.
 
2013-12-31 02:09:40 AM  

Divinegrace: So not even ONE homeless shelter or Hospital that is funded by atheists / agnostics that you can cite then....I am not surprised.

I'm not, either. A small minority of citizens don't have the resources to set up self-aggrandizing charities in atheism's name, and they probably would find more efficient means to help the poor -- again, look at countries with less religious pollution, and you'll find higher quality of life by using the secular government to administer relief. The only reason atheists have to form organizations is to fight back against the tyranny of theists.
 
2013-12-31 02:12:59 AM  

Divinegrace: You are right though, Christians are charitable out of guilt and on guilt alone. Being charitable is not a reward on its own merit and if not for guilt no Christian would ever be charitable. /rollseyes


If you think that's so ridiculous, why are you here glory-whoring for charity work done by Christians, while imagining that the non-religious care nothing about their fellow man simply because there is no St. Atheist's Soup Kitchen?

You realize Al Capone ran soup kitchens, too, by the way. Serial killers often volunteered for charities, too. It was all for PR and to make people think they were nicer than they actually were.
 
2013-12-31 02:13:41 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Divinegrace: So not even ONE homeless shelter or Hospital that is funded by atheists / agnostics that you can cite then....I am not surprised.
I'm not, either. A small minority of citizens don't have the resources to set up self-aggrandizing charities in atheism's name, and they probably would find more efficient means to help the poor -- again, look at countries with less religious pollution, and you'll find higher quality of life by using the secular government to administer relief. The only reason atheists have to form organizations is to fight back against the tyranny of theists.


Your response is prime example of my earlier statement that atheists can be very knowledgeable and at the same time lack wisdom. Keep fighting the tyranny Lenny, you are making the world a better place.
 
2013-12-31 02:21:27 AM  

darwinpolice: WI241TH: nekom: And they never do it in reverse.  "That sure touchdown you dropped has got to have you kicking yourself!"  "Yeah, farking Jesus screwed me up."
/not my joke, some comedian I thibj

Well, except for that time Stevie Johnson did it:
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Stevie Johnson: logically consistent religious person


Histories! Greatest! Monster!

/i keed
 
2013-12-31 02:25:11 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: If you think that's so ridiculous, why are you here glory-whoring for charity work done by Christians, while imagining that the non-religious care nothing about their fellow man simply because there is no St. Atheist's Soup Kitchen?

You realize Al Capone ran soup kitchens, too, by the way. Serial killers often volunteered for charities, too. It was all for PR and to make people think they were nicer than they actually were.


If given the choice of being protected by the police or protected by the mob....I would take the mob. They are less corrupt than the police, and you know...actually protect the people that pay them.  Serial killers often are employed (have jobs) too, what is your point?
 
2013-12-31 02:38:40 AM  

Divinegrace: If given the choice of being protected by the police or protected by the mob....I would take the mob.


You already have.
 
2013-12-31 02:41:33 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Divinegrace: If given the choice of being protected by the police or protected by the mob....I would take the mob.

You already have.


You are more right than you know Lenny. LoL
 
2013-12-31 02:49:16 AM  

Divinegrace: Premeditated_Road_Rage: For those arguing about who is more charitable, Christians or non, take a closer look at most Christian charity drives.


[snip]

Bottom line: Most Christians are charitable merely from being guilted or pressured into it.  Remove the judgemental frowns of the dead-god-on-a-stick and their fellow faithful and more Christians would keep their wallets closed, showing the real numbers of charity.

It is good to know we have an expert on motivations of charitable Christians. I am sure that you have done double blind studies on this, and you are not just talking out your tail.


I've done just as many studies on it as you've done on your argument.  Well, not me personally, but yeah, there have actually been studies done on the 'phenomenon', not just on tithing, but on other Samaritan acts as well.  Basic human psychology though - people tend to modify their behavior when there is either risk or reward involved.

You are right though, Christians are charitable out of guilt and on guilt alone. Being charitable is not a reward on its own merit and if not for guilt no Christian would ever be charitable. /rollseyes

Most are acting in a Pavlovian manner, but yes, some Christians are capable of being charitable without having to be bullied.  Roll your eyes all you want - you'll just end up looking stupid (meaning via the physical act of eyerolling) and will not have to witness me laughing at you as you stare at the welcoming darkness of your own eye sockets in the hopes that the movement of your eyes will make me feel less about myself in any way, shape or form.

That goes back to the point that if the government is taking the money from people and doing the work then the people no longer get the only benefit that comes from being charitable (the satisfaction of seeing the benefits of their charity)

Why do they need that 'satisfaction'?  Are they getting satisfaction from God or man in that instance?  Read your own book, especially the part where it talks about (granted, in regard to self-starvation done to invoke religious hallucinations fasting) not 'sucking in the cheeks and making a big show of it for others.

If the satisfaction of the act alone isn't 'good enough' and the government 'robs them of that', then they are doing it all for the wrong reasons.

As for hospitals and health care....in America the majority hospitals and health care are not about healing the sick or caring for the wounded...its about making money PERIOD.

You are absolutely correct.  Because all doctors in the US get a free ride for 8+ years of college just to become doctors, get a free pass on all insurances, all hospitals have a special room where multi-million dollar state of the art medical equipment is just farted into existence by unicorns, and the pharmaceutical companies, etc., don't have to pay for R&D, materials, or anything.

Please, tell me, when you rolled your eyes earlier, did they roll all the way down to your ass?

The only exceptions are those open / run by 'religious nut jobs' (like the Shriner's) who are crazy because they care more about healing the sick and caring for the injured than they do about how much money they have in the bank.

I can tell by this statement that you know jack squat about the Shriners/Masons.  Might want to do a little reading before you continue to wave this particular flag around. LOL
 
2013-12-31 03:09:38 AM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Bottom line: Most Christians are charitable merely from being guilted or pressured into it.  Remove the judgemental frowns of the dead-god-on-a-stick and their fellow faithful and more Christians would keep their wallets closed, showing the real numbers of charity.

It is good to know we have an expert on motivations of charitable Christians. I am sure that you have done double blind studies on this, and you are not just talking out your tail.

I've done just as many studies on it as you've done on your argument.  Well, not me personally, but yeah, there have actually been studies done on the 'phenomenon', not just on tithing, but on other Samaritan acts as well.  Basic human psychology though - people tend to modify their behavior when there is either risk or reward involved.


Not true, I have taken the time to do the research and have checked up on the homeless shelters in my city...all of them are run by 'religious nut jobs'. If people know you have done it...in most cases it is not charity. The 'reward' is personal and can even be addicting (there are studies that verify this).

Premeditated_Road_Rage: DivineGrace:  You are right though, Christians are charitable out of guilt and on guilt alone. Being charitable is not a reward on its own merit and if not for guilt no Christian would ever be charitable. /rollseyes

Most are acting in a Pavlovian manner, but yes, some Christians are capable of being charitable without having to be bullied.  Roll your eyes all you want - you'll just end up looking stupid (meaning via the physical act of eyerolling) and will not have to witness me laughing at you as you stare at the welcoming darkness of your own eye sockets in the hopes that the movement of your eyes will make me feel less about myself in any way, shape or form.


Only 'some Christians'??? You really have never spent much time around actual Christians have you? As for looking stupid...better to look than be.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: DivineGrace:  That goes back to the point that if the government is taking the money from people and doing the work then the people no longer get the only benefit that comes from being charitable (the satisfaction of seeing the benefits of their charity)

Why do they need that 'satisfaction'?  Are they getting satisfaction from God or man in that instance?  Read your own book, especially the part where it talks about (granted, in regard to self-starvation done to invoke religious hallucinations fasting) not 'sucking in the cheeks and making a big show of it for others.

If the satisfaction of the act alone isn't 'good enough' and the government 'robs them of that', then they are doing it all for the wrong reasons.


Please see above note about the fact that there is reward for being charitable and in most cases the person who gives gets more out of it than the person who gets. There are studies that verify this.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: As for hospitals and health care....in America the majority hospitals and health care are not about healing the sick or caring for the wounded...its about making money PERIOD.

You are absolutely correct.  Because all doctors in the US get a free ride for 8+ years of college just to become doctors, get a free pass on all insurances, all hospitals have a special room where multi-million dollar state of the art medical equipment is just farted into existence by unicorns, and the pharmaceutical companies, etc., don't have to pay for R&D, materials, or anything.


And yet there are many, Many, MANY Hospitals that get all their funding from charity and charge NOTHING for their services. They have the same level of doctors (actually, in most cases their doctors are 'better' than those found in 'for profit' hospitals), are insured, have the same multi-million dollar medical equipment, etc.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: The only exceptions are those open / run by 'religious nut jobs' (like the Shriner's) who are crazy because they care more about healing the sick and caring for the injured than they do about how much money they have in the bank.

I can tell by this statement that you know jack squat about the Shriners/Masons.  Might want to do a little reading before you continue to wave this particular flag around. LOL


You are right, I know jack squat about the Shriner's LOL....it is not like I AM a Shriner or anything like that. In case anyone didn't already know this....Fez'es are cool.
 
2013-12-31 03:26:19 AM  

Popular Opinion: whidbey: Popular Opinion: yeah, just because i was taught it was polite, i usually say "bless you" if somebody near me sneezes.
and yeah, sometimes it is an asshole atheist, who then needs to point out that they don't believe in god, as if i gave a flying fook.
so i just tell them to fark off and die in a fire.

HURRDY HURRDY HURR DURR HURR

well spoken

for you


Maybe you shouldn't be so insecure about your religion that you have to make up shiat.
 
2013-12-31 04:01:40 AM  

Divinegrace: Not true, I have taken the time to do the research and have checked up on the homeless shelters in my city...all of them are run by 'religious nut jobs'

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I take it that you're unfamiliar with logic, politics, and economics, so I'll break it down for you, putting your mind at rest about the whole 'Why are there no atheist homeless shelters?' question.

First, look at the right-wing arguments and the atheist counter-arguments in regard to religion and law/politics.  Yes, there are *some* atheists in office, but scant few, because such a *gasp* thing is an affront to 'murican principals.  Most politicians who could care less about a sky-wizard lie anyway, just to get the popular vote, i.e. claiming to be Baptist in a primarily Baptist community in order to start their mayor-senator-president campaign run.

As such, the politicians are either Christians or Christian posers, catering to the whims of Christian voter masses.

As such, they would get far less flack allowing the zoning of "Saint Jebuss's Home For Weeping Widows And Street Urchins" than they would for zoning the same plot for "Al's Atheist Abode: Three Hots And A Cot"

Likewise, "Saint Jebuss's" would most likely qualify for the tax breaks afforded to religious organizations, allowing them more/better use of funding than the poor folks over at "Atheist Al's" who have to clothe, feed, and shelter *after* paying taxes, even as a non-profit.

Then there is income and donations.  A lot of churches donate en masse to these places, mostly around Christmas time (again, the whole guilt/self-pleasure thing), and would rather donate to places like "Saint Jeebus" than "Atheist Al", simply due to association, so there's more that "Atheist Al" misses out on, simply for not waving the religion banner.

The politicians, likewise, maintain the symbiotic relationship.  Candidate X donated funds to "Atheist Al's"?  The horror...the scandal!  Candidate Y donated the same amount to "Saint Jeebus's"?  Oh, honey...let's vote for this fine, upstanding Christian candidate.

Oh, and 'checking up on them' is where I think I may have you beat, as I had the misfortune of having to live in one a few years ago.  Place said they took people of every race, religion, etc., but the guy a few folks in line ahead of me, after writing "Atheist" on his sheet, was turned away at the door.  I changed my answer to "Baptist" and whipped out the baptismal certificate I had gotten while 'playing along' in high school and what do you know?  I was welcomed in and saw a LOT of empty beds around me, most of which weren't filled even days later.

I also saw corruption in there on the level of which God actually flattened whole cities for, according to the bible, so yeah, when you 'checked into them', you saw only what they wanted you to see.

Divinegrace: If people know you have done it...in most cases it is not charity. The 'reward' is personal and can even be addicting (there are studies that verify this).


So, you and I do agree on this point.  Good.  They are doing it for the 'divine orgasm' and not for God, alone.  They need that warm, reassuring, smoke-a-cigarette-afterwards-because-it-was-just-so-damned-good after-shiver.

Divinegrace: Only 'some Christians'??? You really have never spent much time around actual Christians have you? As for looking stupid...better to look than be.


Actually, in addition to being a pastor's son myself, an avid churchgoer in my youth, a Southerner all of my life, a student of both religions and people, and having to watch the aforementioned under-the-table shuffles, including the 'seeding' of the offering plate first-hand (yes, I asked about it and was told the truth that it 'helped people want to donate'), I'd say that I've spent quite a bit of time around Christians, actually.  Let's see your 'cross club' credentials before deciding who looks stupid, here.

Divinegrace: And yet there are many, Many, MANY Hospitals that get all their funding from charity and charge NOTHING for their services. They have the same level of doctors (actually, in most cases their doctors are 'better' than those found in 'for profit' hospitals), are insured, have the same multi-million dollar medical equipment, etc.


Again, see the above points on the charity homeless shelters.  Be they shelters or hospitals, the sign-o-the-stick plays a large part in donations, etc.  As for the Shriners, you would be amazed at how much both finances and race play in their organization.  Not a Shriner myself, but have family who were in it.  Amazing what you find out when people at family gatherings think you're just a kid reading a book and not paying any attention to the things said/done around you.
 
2013-12-31 05:25:13 AM  

al's hat: omeganuepsilon: Not that Stanhope's actions will get through to them, but good on him anyhow. He didn't have to do anything for anyone, but he did more than anyone who reads these threads ever will, christians and atheists alike.

2/10  One for me responding and another for not capitalizing "Christians".  The extremely broad brush is often a wonderful indicator of a troll attempt.


You reply as if I'm blatantly lying.

What farker has raised more than 100k per individual that's been through a natural disaster?
 
2013-12-31 05:25:29 AM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Not true, I have taken the time to do the research and have checked up on the homeless shelters in my city...all of them are run by 'religious nut jobs'.

I take it that you're unfamiliar with logic, politics, and economics, so I'll break it down for you, putting your mind at rest about the whole 'Why are there no atheist homeless shelters?' question...


Churches and non-profits get the same tax breaks because they are both non-profits. So the whole Churches get better tax breaks argument is bogus.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Divinegrace: If people know you have done it...in most cases it is not charity. The 'reward' is personal and can even be addicting (there are studies that verify this).

So, you and I do agree on this point.  Good.  They are doing it for the 'divine orgasm' and not for God, alone.  They need that warm, reassuring, smoke-a-cigarette-afterwards-because-it-was-just-so-damned-good after-shiver.


We do not agree because you think that the government should tax it citizens and do the 'charitable' work, while I think that it should be left to individuals. Since the government exists only to protect our borders and regulate interstate commerce (charity is neither of these) it seems that the people that founded America agreed.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Divinegrace: Only 'some Christians'??? You really have never spent much time around actual Christians have you? As for looking stupid...better to look than be.

Actually, in addition to being a pastor's son myself, an avid churchgoer in my youth, a Southerner all of my life, a student of both religions and people, and having to watch the aforementioned under-the-table shuffles, including the 'seeding' of the offering plate first-hand (yes, I asked about it and was told the truth that it 'helped people want to donate'), I'd say that I've spent quite a bit of time around Christians, actually.  Let's see your 'cross club' credentials before deciding who looks stupid, here.


I was not born a pastor's son, in fact I was born into a family that was as far from 'religious' as a family could get. I saw first hand the consequences and repercussions of living an 'un-godly' life over and over and over again. My father was gone before I was born, and my mother...while I love my mother, and she always did the best she could for me, she was not a 'godly' person and our family suffered for it.

Outside of a couple of weeks going to Church with my grandparents when I was VERY young (4-ish) I didn't step foot into a church until I was 8 or 9 years old. I was out playing on a Sunday, and there was a Church right next to my house...I wandered into the Church (thought I was going to get in trouble if they caught me at the time, because I didn't understand how Churches worked). The only thing I remember about the experience (and this stuck with me to this day) was that God is a father.

I never really had a father (again, my genetic father was gone before I was born) and my step-father was far from being a real father (unless you think abusive alcoholics make for good fathers) and I remember thinking WOW, I wish I had a father. Then they said that God is EVERYONE's father (even mine).

Now I wasn't really allowed to 'study' God (Step-Father was all "We not gonna have that Crap in the my house" kind of guy) so it wasn't until I was 'grown up' that I started to study theology on my own (15+ years old). NOW, now I try my best to understand 'my father' (God) and since I can't walk up to him and ask direct questions...I read, I study, and I question (everything).

I am not a Christian, or Catholic, or Jewish, or Muslim, or Hindu, or Tau...but I am a person 'of faith'. I have read the bible (repeatedly), and have even read 'part' of the Koran (2 of my 3 roommates in the dorm the first year at University were Muslim....we had many conversations about how the Muslim and Christian 'faiths' were alike / different). I have attended services a many 'theological institutions' including but not limited to Catholic Mass, Baptist, Methodist, LDS, and even sat in with Jehovah's Witnesses services. They are all 'wrong', and yet all 'right' at the same time IMHO....that is to say, they all understand 'pieces' of 'it'.

As an example, I point to Genesis...atheists / agnostics read about creation and see 'the earth was created in 6 days' and say...that is impossible. What they fail to get is the part about work ethic...when there is work to be done, get it done...but also that everyone needs 'downtime', rest if you will (hence God rested on the 7th day, as should we get at least a day of rest each week).

While I go to services I don't take what the 'preacher' says as fact. I try to examine the information and put it in real world, how does this work TODAY, terms. Keeping with the 'on the 7th day get rest' example, there is real world evidence that shows being overworked (not getting enough rest) can negatively impact 'work performance'.

On the flip side, there is also real world evidence that shows that not working at all (not working when there is work to be done) can negatively impact a person's real world experience (not able to provide shelter, or food, or clothes because they don't have any money).

The atheists / agnostics only look for the 'knowledge' (the earth was created in 6 days) and tell themselves that it is bogus because there is no way the earth and everything on it was created in 6 days, but miss the Wisdom of it (work when there is work to be done, but also get the rest needed to be productive).

While I attended many types of churches, I 'belong' to none of them and if I HAD to sum up my 'faith' it could be done in one sentence... "The universe unfolds exactly as it is supposed to".

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Divinegrace: And yet there are many, Many, MANY Hospitals that get all their funding from charity and charge NOTHING for their services. They have the same level of doctors (actually, in most cases their doctors are 'better' than those found in 'for profit' hospitals), are insured, have the same multi-million dollar medical equipment, etc.

Again, see the above points on the charity homeless shelters.  Be they shelters or hospitals, the sign-o-the-stick plays a large part in donations, etc.  As for the Shriners, you would be amazed at how much both finances and race play in their organization.  Not a Shriner myself, but have family who were in it.  Amazing what you find out when people at family gatherings think you're just a kid reading a book and not paying any attention to the things said/done around you.


What do you mean by 'you would be amazed at how much both finances and race play in their organization'? I am not sure if you are aware but there are Shriner's as a whole are very generous and have members from just about every (if not every) race and theology out there (outside of Catholics...not because the Shriner's wouldn't allow Catholic members, but because the Catholics will not let their members become Shriner's)...we are a VERY diverse group to say the least. I am not sure what you 'thought' you heard when you while you pretended to be reading your book, but I get the feeling what you 'thought' you heard you really didn't understand.
 
2013-12-31 05:30:21 AM  

Divinegrace: Churches and non-profits get the same tax breaks because they are both non-profits.


LOL

www.outofur.com
 
2013-12-31 06:07:39 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Divinegrace: Churches and non-profits get the same tax breaks because they are both non-profits.

LOL


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I know it is only one in many sentences but I will say it again (for the people in the cheap seats that can't hear well)...

"They are all 'wrong', and yet all 'right' at the same time IMHO"....that is to say, they all understand 'pieces' of 'it'."

This is a clear cut case of 'wrong' especially in reference to taking a vow of poverty. I do not agree with the lavish and luxury of the Catholics...it is one of the points I think they missed.

That said, they did get 'confession' right IMO. Not that I think people need a 'middle man' to communicate with God, but I do think there is wisdom in confession. People make mistakes and they have a difficult time 'letting it go' after.

Confession helps the people...not so much that it is God that needs to forgive them, but that they need to forgive THEMSELVES...going to confession can and does help get past our mistakes, first by admitting that we have made a mistake to another person (I don't think it has to be a 'priest', but it should be a person who 'can be trusted'), and second by being forgiven (so they can 'let it go' so to speak), most importantly forgiving themselves.

Then again, my screen name is Divine Grace so how could I not be all about forgiveness....amiright?
 
2013-12-31 06:25:28 AM  
Divinegrace: [snipped for brevity, if anyone needs a recap, scroll up]

So, basically, you fell into the co-dependency trap that is religion.  No shame in it, though - you give some very fine excuses reasons as to why and all, but it does more to strip away your credibility in the discussion rather than accent it in a positive light.  You sought comfort and answers and found them neatly bundled up and pre-packaged for you like so many others in your shoes have done.  Congratulations.

We'll go ahead and drop the Shriner talk.  Pretty sure they would get pissed if I started talking about handshakes, financial by-laws, the Koran, etc.,  Nice touch, trying to ride the 11th Doctor's coattails on the fez thing earlier though.  Shows that you do have good taste in television, if anything else.

Also, I never once said that I wanted the government to tax anything.  That's your strawman, not mine.  You built it...you set it up all nice and pretty...now please take it down and put it away.  It's not gonna work here.

If you spent as much time actually reading what I wrote instead of reading INTO what I wrote, you'll see that I was agreeing that Christians (alright...most of them, I'll give you your 1%) donate/do charity to feel better about themselves and achieve some sense of accomplishment/personal satisfaction.  Yes, endorphins and dopamine ARE strong, documented, and can become addictive.  As I said, I totally agree with you on the fact that most Christians couldn't be truly altruistic if they tried.

When I read your last post, I read a lot of confusion and doubt in it.  Perhaps you should seek more stable footing on either side of the fence before trying to 'make a stand' like this.  I enjoy a good debate, sure, but only on a level playing field, so I'm going to have to let you scamper off for now and mature a bit more.  Just do yourself a favor and do better research next time - the next challenger you face might not be as sympathetic.

Later.
 
2013-12-31 06:28:34 AM  

Divinegrace: This is a clear cut case of 'wrong' especially in reference to taking a vow of poverty. I do not agree with the lavish and luxury of the Catholics...it is one of the points I think they missed.


[snip]

Most protestant churches these days are lavish, plush, filled with big screen TVs, etc., and are more of a shrine to the seven deadly sins than temples of worship.

Then again, my screen name is Divine Grace so how could I not be all about forgiveness....amiright?

Stop.  Please stop.  You're going to make me wake up the whole house with my laughter.
 
2013-12-31 06:37:43 AM  
I don't understand why some atheists deliberately troll Christians then get upset about being given a hard time for being atheists.
 
2013-12-31 06:52:53 AM  
I wonder what would happen if all the caring Christians around the world would
stop their compassionate donations to all the charities and people in need?
 
2013-12-31 06:59:35 AM  

bullsballs: I wonder what would happen if all the caring Christians around the world would
stop their compassionate donations to all the charities and people in need?


If all of the 'caring' ones stopped?  Nada.  Nobody would notice and the people in need would still get what they needed.

Now, if the ones who do it for the tx write-offs stopped...then you might see some movement in the numbers.  And if those who do it to impress others with their generosity followed suit, yeah...more changes in the numbers.  Follow this with those who do it simply because 'that's how they were brainwashed brought up' or because the pressure of their church's society forced them to, just so they wouldn't feel looked down upon/excluded...even more changes in the numbers. etc.,

But the genuine 'caring' ones?  Small minority.
 
2013-12-31 07:00:59 AM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: do it for the tx

tax write-offs

/FTFM
 
2013-12-31 07:21:20 AM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: So, basically, you fell into the co-dependency trap that is religion.  No shame in it, though - you give some very fine excuses reasons as to why and all, but it does more to strip away your credibility in the discussion rather than accent it in a positive light.  You sought comfort and answers and found them neatly bundled up and pre-packaged for you like so many others in your shoes have done.  Congratulations.


I agree that there is a "co-dependency" of sorts, but it is not a 'trap' and think it is (or can be if allowed) a good thing.

I think that you touched on the difference between you and I...I sought answers (and found them), you never tried looking because you think you know them already. That said I rarely find 'comfort' in the answers I find, if anything I find the opposite of comfort because the answer I find expose my flaws as a person (not a 'comfortable' feeling). They force me to admit I am wrong (over and over again) before I can correct the mistakes I make.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: We'll go ahead and drop the Shriner talk.  Pretty sure they would get pissed if I started talking about handshakes, financial by-laws, the Koran, etc.,  Nice touch, trying to ride the 11th Doctor's coattails on the fez thing earlier though.  Shows that you do have good taste in television, if anything else.


The Shriner's is public domain. There are no handshakes (at least not for the Shriner's)...that is the Free Masons (similar, but different), just know that when I talk about the Shriner's I do in fact know what I am talking about.

To be fair my friend, I was sporting a fez long before The Doctor told us it was cool! :-) It is good to know that if nothing else, we share great taste in television.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Also, I never once said that I wanted the government to tax anything.  That's your strawman, not mine.  You built it...you set it up all nice and pretty...now please take it down and put it away.  It's not gonna work here.


You have not, but many have. The government has no business in charity, first because it really is none of their business (which is to protect our borders and regulate interstate commerce), and second (and less importantly) because they SUCK at money management and being financially efficient.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: If you spent as much time actually reading what I wrote instead of reading INTO what I wrote, you'll see that I was agreeing that Christians (alright...most of them, I'll give you your 1%) donate/do charity to feel better about themselves and achieve some sense of accomplishment/personal satisfaction.  Yes, endorphins and dopamine ARE strong, documented, and can become addictive.  As I said, I totally agree with you on the fact that most Christians couldn't be truly altruistic if they tried.


First I would like to point out that it is not 'just' Christians that are charitable, people of many faiths are charitable (including but not limited to Jews, and Muslims) I am also well aware that atheists and agnostics can also be charitable, but not to near the extent as people of faith. To be fair, being charitable is a big part of most religions, while atheists and agnostics have no reason to be charitable outside of the positive effect of being charitable of which there are many.

I will also agree that most Christians are not the  altruistic people that they would like us to think they are, but that said....there are many people of faith or are honestly altruistic (I have meet quite a few) and many more people of faith that are, then people not of faith (no studies that I can cite for this, purely personal experience).

Premeditated_Road_Rage: When I read your last post, I read a lot of confusion and doubt in it.  Perhaps you should seek more stable footing on either side of the fence before trying to 'make a stand' like this.  I enjoy a good debate, sure, but only on a level playing field, so I'm going to have to let you scamper off for now and mature a bit more.  Just do yourself a favor and do better research next time - the next challenger you face might not be as sympathetic.


I will be the first to admit I don't 'get' many parts of the Bible, or Koran...I am still learning and likely will be until the day I die, but don't confuse that for doubt. I have faith.

This is something that I think pisses atheist / agnostics off, people who not only KNOW there is a God, but also KNOW what God wants us to say, and do. This is NOT faith.

These "I KNOW God exists" people piss me off every bit as much (if not MORE) as people who "KNOW that God doesn't exist". In short, they give people of faith a bad name IMHO.

While I appreciate you taking it easy on me, I am not afraid of unsympathetic people.

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Most protestant churches these days are lavish, plush, filled with big screen TVs, etc., and are more of a shrine to the seven deadly sins than temples of worship.


It is not having nice things that concerns me, it is worshiping the nice things that I think is wrong (specifically for Catholics, they worship the cross and statues of Mary as if they were idols..praying to THEM and not God).

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Stop.  Please stop.  You're going to make me wake up the whole house with my laughter.


I didn't mean to disrupt your household sleep schedule, but it was meant to put a smile on your face...I am glad it worked as intended. :-)

My shift is almost over (I can SLEEP soon), I enjoyed our conversation and look forward to more in the future!
 
2013-12-31 07:59:13 AM  

wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

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As much as I like Stanhope, sometimes, this is actually kind of bullshiat. Christian relief agencies and, I'm sure, those of other faiths don't check ID cards when they help at a disaster site. They just help. So belief systems aside, this is apples and oranges.
 
2013-12-31 09:59:26 AM  

part of the problem: fta.

"I didn't do it because I felt sympathy because she got all her shiat destroyed by a tornado," he said. "I did it simply to be a prick to her Okie-Christian neighbors, hoping that they were still eating off of FEMA trucks when someone drove up and presented Rebecca with a giant cardboard check."

This quote completely encapsulates what it means to be an atheist.

No matter how much rage and sarcasm they muster, this is all they will ever have, all they will ever be.

Rant away, basement dwellers...


Unlike most Christians who are pricks in the name of some supply-side Higher Power, all while rejecting the actual teachings of Jesus.
 
2013-12-31 10:24:50 AM  

Divinegrace: It is good to know we have an expert on motivations of charitable Christians. I am sure that you have done double blind studies on this, and you are not just talking out your tail.


I like how you make this statement, while making broad generalizations about atheists.

As to atheist charities, how's this? Notice that in two of the links, they talk about Christian charities refusing the help of atheists. If it's just about charity, why are they more concerned with who the help comes from, rather than that help is being offered?

http://foundationbeyondbelief.org/

http://kylyssa.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities

http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

And that was just with a google search of "atheist charities."
 
2013-12-31 10:53:29 AM  
He was a bit of a smug jerk about it, but stop and think about it for a second.

Even if he did it for the wrong reasons, giving money to people in need is still a good thing, that's what charity is all about.

In that way, it's a lot like religion.

An invisible man in the sky says you should love your neighbor as yourself, or you'll go to hell. Does it make any sense? No, but that doesn't mean it's not good to be nice to people anyway. If you need an excuse as to why you should be nice to people, that's fine. All the matters in the end is outcome, not the why.
 
2013-12-31 10:56:19 AM  

grumpfuff: Divinegrace: It is good to know we have an expert on motivations of charitable Christians. I am sure that you have done double blind studies on this, and you are not just talking out your tail.

I like how you make this statement, while making broad generalizations about atheists.

As to atheist charities, how's this? Notice that in two of the links, they talk about Christian charities refusing the help of atheists. If it's just about charity, why are they more concerned with who the help comes from, rather than that help is being offered?

http://foundationbeyondbelief.org/

http://kylyssa.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities

http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

And that was just with a google search of "atheist charities."


And as it is with all things, the broad strokes don't paint the picture. I don't support the notion that atheists don't care, just that Stanhope doesn't care about helping people, as much as pissing people off for stupid reasons. He complains about how "god killed those other people(what a dick, rite?)!" then hopes the people god didn't kill continue to suffer.

There used to be a thing(may still be) called "March for Jesus" where around the entire globe(yes, including oceans) Christians would march, no protest, just praise. At the end of the march, they'd present a check for the proceeds to a non-religiously affiliated charity. The point being that helping was more important than promoting. But of course it was promotion, anything done publicly is promotion. This is even forbidden by the rules of the faith. Christians aren't supposed to make charity public in any way.
 
2013-12-31 11:14:44 AM  

s2s2s2: And as it is with all things, the broad strokes don't paint the picture. I don't support the notion that atheists don't care, just that Stanhope doesn't care about helping people, as much as pissing people off for stupid reasons. He complains about how "god killed those other people(what a dick, rite?)!" then hopes the people god didn't kill continue to suffer.


I know, that's the point. Stanhope was being a prick. Hell, he even admitted it. But that's Stanhope, not all atheists. My point about Christian charities refusing atheist help was a "Christians aren't all rosy perfect either," type of thing. I wasn't trying to imply it's all charities. That would be stupid of me anyway, as I'm an atheist who volunteers with a local Jesuit group.

s2s2s2: There used to be a thing(may still be) called "March for Jesus" where around the entire globe(yes, including oceans) Christians would march, no protest, just praise. At the end of the march, they'd present a check for the proceeds to a non-religiously affiliated charity. The point being that helping was more important than promoting. But of course it was promotion, anything done publicly is promotion. This is even forbidden by the rules of the faith. Christians aren't supposed to make charity public in any way.


Of course it is. The vast majority of Christians are more concerned about helping. However, just like atheists, there are also some pricks.
 
2013-12-31 01:16:57 PM  

JuggleGeek: I live in Texas.  Technically, based on the Texas Constitution, I can't run for office.  If it were allowed, I'm sure that running openly as an atheist would cost a lot of votes, but the bottom line, is that the religious folks have outlawed it.


The good news, just in case you weren't aware, is that Article VI of the Constitution supersedes your state's shenanigans.  If they wanted to bother to try to stop you from running, it would be a very quick court case.
 
2013-12-31 02:25:11 PM  

grumpfuff: I know, that's the point. Stanhope was being a prick. Hell, he even admitted it. But that's Stanhope, not all atheists. My point about Christian charities refusing atheist help was a "Christians aren't all rosy perfect either," type of thing


Unfortunately, all you have to do to be qualified for either group is say you believe or say you don't.

I think stupid people shouldn't be allowed to believe anything, other than that they should give me all their money.

/kidding
 
2013-12-31 05:00:37 PM  

Divinegrace: That said, they did get 'confession' right IMO. Not that I think people need a 'middle man' to communicate with God, but I do think there is wisdom in confession. People make mistakes and they have a difficult time 'letting it go' after.


lol again.

Most people that go to confession don't actually care about what they did, they're just confessing because they're supposed to.  In fact, many compete to come up with as many things as possible. They earn "forgiveness" and then go on to do the same thing next week, and do so week after week without ever attempting to solve the problem.  They always get forgiven, so why bother trying to reform?

They learn this as children.

/raised roman catholic, you're not pulling any wool over the eyes of anyone who's shared that experience
 
2013-12-31 05:04:19 PM  

Coder: wxboy: I'm an Atheist, and i think this guy is a douchebag.  My feelings about him are best summed up by:

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]

Except that he DID help. What he did matters more than what he said. What he said was just funny.

Religious people often say a lot of nice things, but DO harmful and/or useless things.

I'll take this over that


ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE R TEH EBIL!!!! DERP DERP HERP DERP!!!!

/Im not religious.
//You and this dbag should hang out.
 
2013-12-31 08:25:43 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Divinegrace: That said, they did get 'confession' right IMO. Not that I think people need a 'middle man' to communicate with God, but I do think there is wisdom in confession. People make mistakes and they have a difficult time 'letting it go' after.

lol again.

Most people that go to confession don't actually care about what they did, they're just confessing because they're supposed to.  In fact, many compete to come up with as many things as possible. They earn "forgiveness" and then go on to do the same thing next week, and do so week after week without ever attempting to solve the problem.  They always get forgiven, so why bother trying to reform?

They learn this as children.

/raised roman catholic, you're not pulling any wool over the eyes of anyone who's shared that experience


So, what you are saying is, "They" (with 'they', and 'people' really being omeganuepsilon) didn't 'get' confession....which is to say they didn't care about it, and sure as hell didn't put in the effort and use confession as an opportunity to grow as a human being, and therefore got nothing out of it.

You are just like "that" student who attends class, recites what the teacher says along with the rest of the students without listening to what they or the teacher is saying, or concentrating on what the teacher means, then is SHOCKED when they fail the test on the subject.

Essentially you never really were Catholic, you just went to Catholic services with your parents, and maybe even took CCD courses, but didn't give two farks about it, and got out of it exactly what you put into it...nothing.

Please, just because you failed to understand 'your' theology (and by 'your' I really mean your parents) don't mistakenly think everyone else was as dull witted as yourself.
 
2013-12-31 08:31:23 PM  

grumpfuff: Divinegrace: It is good to know we have an expert on motivations of charitable Christians. I am sure that you have done double blind studies on this, and you are not just talking out your tail.

I like how you make this statement, while making broad generalizations about atheists.

As to atheist charities, how's this? Notice that in two of the links, they talk about Christian charities refusing the help of atheists. If it's just about charity, why are they more concerned with who the help comes from, rather than that help is being offered?

http://foundationbeyondbelief.org/

http://kylyssa.squidoo.com/Atheist-Charities

http://thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/

And that was just with a google search of "atheist charities."


You left out dads favorite.... NMBLA. They are also non-profit and atheist and likely get as many donations as the ones you listed.
 
2013-12-31 08:51:29 PM  

JuggleGeek: I felt bad for her being put on the spot, and I was proud of her for being straight up about not believing.  I'm glad she got the money.

But the comedian (never heard of him before) still sounds like a major asshole.

Benevolent Misanthrope: Ummmm.. actually, people do still care. Lots. If you don't think so, then think of how often openly atheist politicians get elected. Religion is seen as an instant character reference, while atheism is seen as an admission of Randian objectivist immorality. Sad, but true.

I live in Texas.  Technically, based on the Texas Constitution, I can't run for office.  If it were allowed, I'm sure that running openly as an atheist would cost a lot of votes, but the bottom line, is that the religious folks have outlawed it.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/CN/htm/CN.1.htm

Sec. 4. RELIGIOUS TESTS. No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

steamingpile: Also this girls smug response is what makes her coonty, like she's acted that way all the time just to piss people off. Its what I've come to expect from closed minded atheists.


She didn't bring it up, Wolf Blitzer did.  And the first time he asked her, she tried not answering.  He wasn't willing to let it go.  The fact that you think that makes her a coont says something about you.


The Texas Constitution won't get past the Supreme Court if anyone actually challenged it, there is precedent that says clauses like that are unconstitutional.  This blog has an OK writeup on it.
 
2013-12-31 09:22:58 PM  

Divinegrace: So, what you are saying is, "They" (with 'they', and 'people' really being omeganuepsilon) didn't 'get' confession....which is to say they didn't care about it, and sure as hell didn't put in the effort and use confession as an opportunity to grow as a human being, and therefore got nothing out of it.


No, what I am saying, is that confession has a negative impact on society at large, despite the solace that a few will genuinely gain from it.

I wouldn't expect you to understand basic psychology, nor to even acknowledge the concepts of it that I presented.  It is fark after all.

Divinegrace: You are just like "that" student who attends class, recites what the teacher says along with the rest of the students without listening to what they or the teacher is saying, or concentrating on what the teacher means, then is SHOCKED when they fail the test on the subject.


What?  I wasn't listening.

/hint, since you've proven you're a tad on the slow side, It's almost as if you think you're in here teaching enlightenment.
//again, lol, bullshiat

Divinegrace: Essentially you never really were Catholic, you just went to Catholic services with your parents, and maybe even took CCD courses, but didn't give two farks about it, and got out of it exactly what you put into it...nothing.


And here is where you are completely full of shiat. IE "You don't know me."

In fact, I wasn't even talking about me.  I was talking about all the catholic's I've ever known and citing a few prevalent examples along with psychological reasons for why confession is a crock of shiat for most of them.

Typical faithful, deny the science and evidence right in front of you while shouting from your pulpit about how superior you are.

Divinegrace: Please, just because you failed to understand 'your' theology (and by 'your' I really mean your parents) don't mistakenly think everyone else was as dull witted as yourself.


Again with the accusation that I don't understand.  I think you have severe issues with projection, Ie calling out your flaws as you falsely perceive them in others(since you obviously need explanation of basic concepts).  Of course, I'm not making the absolute claim, but if I had to bet, that'd be it. Too much of an obsessive replier to be a troll, too reactionary to a "lol, that's bullshiat", too genuinely wounded.

That's the amusing part.  What I said pissed you off so bad you had to start making accusations pulled straight from your ass.  So much for security in your faith, so easily threatened by some basic science.

Have a terrible New Year, coont.
 
2013-12-31 10:54:27 PM  
Well, on the bright side, I'm now a member of the American Humanist Association.
 
2013-12-31 11:02:43 PM  

omeganuepsilon: In fact, I wasn't even talking about me.


omeganuepsilon: /raised roman catholic, you're not pulling any wool over the eyes of anyone who's shared that experience


So which is it....you were raised roman catholic and know what you are talking about, or its not about you and you are not talking from personal experience?  Sounds like you were 'raised roman catholic' when it suits you, and its 'not about you' also when it doesn't?

Either way, it is clear that even IF you are not talking out of your tail and really were 'raised roman catholic'....you 'missed the point' (it seems...repeatedly) and never 'got it'.

omeganuepsilon: Have a terrible New Year, coont.


Don't go away angry omeganuepsilon...just go away (back to your mom's basement).
 
2013-12-31 11:40:00 PM  

Divinegrace: So which is it....you were raised roman catholic and know what you are talking about, or its not about you and you are not talking from personal experience?  Sounds like you were 'raised roman catholic' when it suits you, and its 'not about you' also when it doesn't?


Being raised roman catholic is nothing but a testament that I've known a lot of catholics.  I did not say, for example, "Confession didn't have that effect on me." "Or what I got out of catholicism is.."  That's an assumption that you mined out of your own rectum, despite how I was clearly referencing other people.

You're pretty much incapable of intellectual honesty aren't you? Is it the intellectual part, or the honest part, I wonder. Being fark, probably both.

Divinegrace: (back to your mom's basement)


Wow.  The creativity! You are truly enlightened.

Seriously though, welcome to the internet.  If you don't like it or can't handle the strain of legitimate criticism of your very obvious flaws, you may find it best to just never get on forums where people discuss things ever again.

I know most of us would appreciate it as well.  In fact, you'd be doing humanity a favor if you tried to stop a bus with your face.  Now, go back to your tearful masturbation session, self mutilation, or whatever it is that gets you to really feeling your faith, or I shall have to taunt you some more.
 
2014-01-01 04:37:44 AM  

omeganuepsilon: Being raised roman catholic is nothing but a testament that I've known a lot of catholics.  I did not say, for example, "Confession didn't have that effect on me." "Or what I got out of catholicism is.."  That's an assumption that you mined out of your own rectum, despite how I was clearly referencing other people.

You're pretty much incapable of intellectual honesty aren't you? Is it the intellectual part, or the honest part, I wonder. Being fark, probably both.


And here I though Miss Tracy Lords character died out with Kathrine.

omeganuepsilon: Seriously though, welcome to the internet.  If you don't like it or can't handle the strain of legitimate criticism of your very obvious flaws, you may find it best to just never get on forums where people discuss things ever again.


Says the chick that states she knows about being Roman Catholic because she was raised Roman Catholic, but goes on and states that nothing she says about the how/why of Roman Catholic confession has anything to do with her personal experience of being raised Roman Catholic.

Add to that, everything you stated about Roman Catholic and confession clearly shows that whom ever (you, your uncle bob, your boyfriends sister) the experience was with Catholic confession completely missed the point about why a person goes though the process of confession....how it is beneficial not only to God, but also the person who is giving the confession.

In short your entire statement about confession is from the point of view of a person that is not Catholic, or if they ARE/WERE Catholic were clueless the Catholic faith.

Hell, I have Muslims friends understand Catholicism better than the people in your example...and since you "SAY" you are raised Catholic, you obviously were not paying attention as a child, and as an adult lack even a child like grasp of the subject.

Don't worry though, I forgive you...these things are difficult for people of intelligence and for people such as yourself...likely beyond all comprehension no matter how much time/energy/effort you put into learning the subject.
 
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