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(Global Geopolitics)   Today's Double WTF: The United States and its ally Iran start delivering blows to al Qaeda ahead of the Sochi Olympics, begin saving the Assad regime   (glblgeopolitics.wordpress.com) divider line 56
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2013-12-30 05:26:04 PM
Not surprising. The damage the Shia have done to the US is nothing compared to what the Sunni have done.
 
2013-12-30 05:38:21 PM
I really wish we do not involve ourselves any further in the woldwide Sunni - Shia civil war.
 
2013-12-30 05:50:49 PM
It is not exactly unheard of for the US to make friends of enemies.  Though we usually have to win a war against them first.  It'll be nice if this time we manage it without the war step.
 
2013-12-30 05:52:08 PM

Running a-puck: It is not exactly unheard of for the US to make friends of enemies.  Though we usually have to win a war against them first.  It'll be nice if this time we manage it without the war step.


Thanks Obama.
 
2013-12-30 05:53:28 PM
DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.
 
2013-12-30 05:55:43 PM
It's the oldest rule in international relations - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
2013-12-30 05:55:59 PM

vernonFL: I really wish we do not involve ourselves any further in the woldwide Sunni - Shia civil war.


True and while I'm all for better relations between the US and Iran (oil companies really hold grudges look at Cuba) right now IMHO we do have to think about Russia. They always have been worried about encirclement to keep them isolated. Well as least since the mid-19th century.
 
2013-12-30 05:59:24 PM
Its Iraqi and Syrian branches - ISIS and the Nusra Front

I wouldn't mess with those guys. Especially once Krieger gets his clone army up and running.
 
2013-12-30 05:59:47 PM

thisispete: It's the oldest rule in international relations - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.
 
2013-12-30 06:00:14 PM

Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.


So who do they blame if the Learned Elders are off the table?
 
2013-12-30 06:04:19 PM
I think if this is happening it's going to throw a few relationships off-balance; first and foremost, India and Russia have a lot at stake in Iran being disruptive while also equally needy of their cash from infrastructure development and manufacturing.
 
2013-12-30 06:06:39 PM
*deep breath*

*raises index finger*

Ah...

*lowers eyes*

*closes mouth*

*lowers hand and walks away*
 
2013-12-30 06:08:51 PM

Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.


Ah... now it makes sense.
 
2013-12-30 06:18:03 PM
Israel wouldn't like this one.  They'll still cash the check though.
 
2013-12-30 06:18:18 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: thisispete: It's the oldest rule in international relations - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.


AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! AHAHAAAAHAHAHAA! AHAHAHA......

*thud*
 
2013-12-30 06:20:05 PM
Unsurprising that our interests currently align.

Does that make us allies? I don't know about that.

But it would be nice to at least be on speaking terms with them so that we could coordinate mutually beneficial actions.
 
2013-12-30 06:24:50 PM
So, the Iranians have become more moderate and now only chant "DEATH SERIOUS BODILY HARM TO AMERICA"?
 
2013-12-30 06:28:09 PM

slykens1: Unsurprising that our interests currently align.

Does that make us allies? I don't know about that.

But it would be nice to at least be on speaking terms with them so that we could coordinate mutually beneficial actions.


Funny that they were willing to help us back in 2001 against Al Qaeda, but noooo...
 
2013-12-30 06:30:03 PM

Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.


We get it, you don't agree with the analysis. But it's actually fine and usually spot on.
 
2013-12-30 06:34:24 PM
Not shocked. If we should have learned anything from Iraq it's that taking out the resident dictator, no matter how evil, opens the door to the Islamists and other Jihadis to take over or gain a foothold. I would wager that Syria is partially our fault. We opened the flood doors when W and Darth Cheney decided to invade Iraq, thereby flooding the region with Jihadis. The Middle East is far more attractive than dumpy Afghanistan for those traveling Islamists.
 
2013-12-30 06:48:07 PM

that1guy77: Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.

We get it, you don't agree with the analysis. But it's actually fine and usually spot on.


No. It's pretty uneven. It's more like infowars crossed with stratfor. Occasionally insightful analysis with a heavy ideological bent.
 
2013-12-30 06:54:20 PM

trotsky: Not shocked. If we should have learned anything from Iraq it's that taking out the resident dictator, no matter how evil, opens the door to the Islamists and other Jihadis to take over or gain a foothold. I would wager that Syria is partially our fault. We opened the flood doors when W and Darth Cheney decided to invade Iraq, thereby flooding the region with Jihadis. The Middle East is far more attractive than dumpy Afghanistan for those traveling Islamists.


There generally is a reason only a dictator can stay in power there. Sorta like Russia in a way. I think they'll get some form of democratic republic eventually but right now only authoritarianism works it's sad and all but the countries need benevolent dictators ( they don't have them but....well Jordan sorta) at the moment that allow artist and individual rights start to surface and those can replace the crazy religious zealotry and the counties can really move forward.

The middle east sorta inspired the Renascence in Europe without conquering or taking, it's time the west repays that. The mid-east need a renascence but by allowing trade and ideas to flow instead of stupid sanctions.
 
2013-12-30 06:54:40 PM

RevCarter: that1guy77: Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.

We get it, you don't agree with the analysis. But it's actually fine and usually spot on.

No. It's pretty uneven. It's more like infowars crossed with stratfor. Occasionally insightful analysis with a heavy ideological bent.


Ideologically bent, yeah fine.. I'll agree with that. What isn't nowadays. Even Stratfor is. But putting it up there with Infowars is pretty distorted. Either way, shiats... I give none.
 
2013-12-30 06:58:01 PM

that1guy77: RevCarter: that1guy77: Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.

We get it, you don't agree with the analysis. But it's actually fine and usually spot on.

No. It's pretty uneven. It's more like infowars crossed with stratfor. Occasionally insightful analysis with a heavy ideological bent.

Ideologically bent, yeah fine.. I'll agree with that. What isn't nowadays. Even Stratfor is. But putting it up there with Infowars is pretty distorted. Either way, shiats... I give none.


How about giggles? I usually only do it for both, but half is better than none.
 
2013-12-30 07:00:01 PM

that1guy77: Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.

We get it, you don't agree with the analysis. But it's actually fine and usually spot on.


The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents working for the CIA?

http://debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-age nt s-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap
 
2013-12-30 07:00:28 PM

trotsky: Not shocked. If we should have learned anything from Iraq it's that taking out the resident dictator, no matter how evil, opens the door to the Islamists and other Jihadis to take over or gain a foothold. I would wager that Syria is partially our fault. We opened the flood doors when W and Darth Cheney decided to invade Iraq, thereby flooding the region with Jihadis. The Middle East is far more attractive than dumpy Afghanistan for those traveling Islamists.


Well, the only bright spot in Syria is that Sunnis are killing each other (Muslim Brotherhood vs Al Qaeda) and the Christians and Jews there are reasonably safe.
 
2013-12-30 07:01:05 PM
Wasn't Sorcha Faal from DEBKA?
 
2013-12-30 07:20:07 PM
 Yeah, as much as the U.S. and Israel do not care for Syria they doubley don't care for the folks that will fill the power vacuum that will be left after Syria is gone. Israel especially do not want to have a bunch of battle hardened rebels with high tech weapons and not much else to do with their time.
 
2013-12-30 07:49:01 PM
If you can't beat them, join them.
 
2013-12-30 07:52:08 PM

xalres: UrukHaiGuyz: thisispete: It's the oldest rule in international relations - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! AHAHAAAAHAHAHAA! AHAHAHA......

*thud*


Amazingly, you got the amount of syllables exactly right. 

studied it out
 
2013-12-30 07:55:29 PM

HypnozombieX: Yeah, as much as the U.S. and Israel do not care for Syria they doubley don't care for the folks that will fill the power vacuum that will be left after Syria is gone. Israel especially do not want to have a bunch of battle hardened rebels with high tech weapons and not much else to do with their time.


Wouldn't that leave it in Assad's interests to keep that constant threat of "here's what would replace me" around?
 
2013-12-30 08:40:00 PM

Giltric: Wasn't Sorcha Faal from DEBKA?


I was wondering the same thing...  The text sounds very similar in tone.
 
2013-12-30 09:30:42 PM
Another thing to be cautiously optimistic about with Iran.

Going out and killing things together can make for good friends.

I assume the Saudis and Irsaelis will be pissed off again?
 
2013-12-30 09:35:02 PM
Okay... who is wearing the goatee?

/really farkin through the looking glass here...
 
2013-12-30 09:52:11 PM

AngryDragon: Israel wouldn't like this one.  They'll still cash the check though.


And sell our intel to China.
 
2013-12-30 09:55:41 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: slykens1: Unsurprising that our interests currently align.

Does that make us allies? I don't know about that.

But it would be nice to at least be on speaking terms with them so that we could coordinate mutually beneficial actions.

Funny that they were willing to help us back in 2001 against Al Qaeda, but noooo...


Came here to say this. Al Queda is a wholly owned subsidiary of the House of Saud and Iran was buttressing their shared border with Afghanistan at the outset of American driven hostilities their post 9/11 and had even made overtures of assistance to the Bush administration.

The Bush administration promptly told them to STFU...shortly thereafter, the loudmouth AhMightNeedaJob "won" the presidency of Iran.

Yup, blame Bush applies here too
 
2013-12-30 10:19:31 PM

Flab: Giltric: Wasn't Sorcha Faal from DEBKA?

I was wondering the same thing...  The text sounds very similar in tone.


Sorcha Faal is a nutter who is notoriously unreliable and rarely correct about anything.

Truly the Alex Jones of the ME.

DEBKA is a pro-Israel slanted rumor mill that makes a lot of noise usually using unsourced reports.

While some of their stuff is based in some reality sometimes you always have to read between the lines, remember the bias and take everything with a large grain of salt.

Asaad agreed to give up his chemical weapons without too much of a fuss and the US have backed off on providing lethal aid to Syrian rebel groups.

In the war against Shia and Wahhabist AQ elements in Iraq  and Syria the enemy of my enemy *is* indeed also my friend.

Maybe "friend" is a little strong.

The recent rapprochement between Iran and the US makes the two at least "frenemies" in this one regard.

How much coordination is actually going on between the US and Iran as each pursues the same enemies for different reasons is anybody's guess at this point but my hunch is that DEBKA are overstating their case as usual if not just making stuff up out of whole cloth.

Could be wrong, of course.
 
2013-12-30 10:22:55 PM
The United States starts delivering blows to al qaeda

Yeah, they say Obama's tongue is like magic.
 
2013-12-30 10:26:38 PM

X-boxershorts: tinfoil-hat maggie: slykens1: Unsurprising that our interests currently align.

Does that make us allies? I don't know about that.

But it would be nice to at least be on speaking terms with them so that we could coordinate mutually beneficial actions.

Funny that they were willing to help us back in 2001 against Al Qaeda, but noooo...

Came here to say this. Al Queda is a wholly owned subsidiary of the House of Saud and Iran was buttressing their shared border with Afghanistan at the outset of American driven hostilities their post 9/11 and had even made overtures of assistance to the Bush administration.

The Bush administration promptly told them to STFU...shortly thereafter, the loudmouth AhMightNeedaJob "won" the presidency of Iran.

Yup, blame Bush applies here too


Well that jerks, whole administration he didn't do nothing.
/So sad
//8 yrs of missed opportunities.
 
2013-12-30 10:41:25 PM

thisispete: It's the oldest rule in international relations - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.


"The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less."  -- Maxim 29,  The Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates.
 
2013-12-30 11:25:43 PM
I call shenanigans on this. This is a wordpress blog. Teh google search shows nothing. Al-jazeera isn't reporting it although they do have an article about some violence in a sunni protest camp (?) in Anbar province. It's standard protest sectarian conflict violence with a police crackdown and politicians resigning. In the sidebar, there's a link to a story about a military style attack on a power station in San Jose, CA. The San Jose Mercury News has no article about this.
 
2013-12-31 03:12:02 AM

thisispete: It's the oldest rule in international relations - the enemy of my enemy is my friend.


No, the enemy of my enemy is usually an enemy too, just not as openly until your mutual enemy is buried in some shallow grave.
 
2013-12-31 07:01:43 AM
In 2001, a group of Saudi and Yemeni nationals conducted "9/11". Our response was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, sectarian enemies of the perpetrators of the attack.

www.evans-politics.com
 
2013-12-31 07:10:10 AM

dywed88: Going out and killing things together can make for good friends.



assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-12-31 07:42:12 AM

Prophet of Loss: In 2001, a group of Saudi and Yemeni nationals conducted "9/11". Our response was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, sectarian enemies of the perpetrators of the attack.

[www.evans-politics.com image 220x169]


You do know there was a reason Al Qaeda was operating out of Afghanistan despite being Saudi nationals, right? You're familiar with the fact bin Laden was exiled to Sudan for calling the Saudi royal family kafirs for allying with the United States during the Gulf War? Plus restoration of the Caliphate isn't exactly a goal of the secular House of Saud.

Iraq was no ally of Al Qaeda and Saudi Arabia was a primary financier of the mujahideen. That doesn't mean the way to defeat Al Qaeda is ally with the royal family's foes and invade them, and if invading Iraq was swatting a hornet's nest as far as creating more insurgents paranoid that this is a Christian holy war occupying the land of Mecca and Medina would be a total mess.
 
2013-12-31 07:57:47 AM

fusillade762: Its Iraqi and Syrian branches - ISIS and the Nusra Front

I wouldn't mess with those guys. Especially once Krieger gets his clone army up and running.



Glad I wasn't the only one that caught that.
 
2013-12-31 08:34:12 AM

that1guy77: RevCarter: that1guy77: Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.

We get it, you don't agree with the analysis. But it's actually fine and usually spot on.

No. It's pretty uneven. It's more like infowars crossed with stratfor. Occasionally insightful analysis with a heavy ideological bent.

Ideologically bent, yeah fine.. I'll agree with that. What isn't nowadays. Even Stratfor is. But putting it up there with Infowars is pretty distorted. Either way, shiats... I give none.


If you want a version of Infowars that focuses on the Middle East, check out FLAME.
 
2013-12-31 09:00:56 AM

Giltric: DEBKAfile is Israels Infowars.


And despite all that, TFA still doesn't explain how the US is actually involved, merely that the United States is one of the "three armies ... fighting alongside Iraq", which includes Syria for some reason as if they don't have enough problems of their own to worry about.  They mention the Iranian unit supposedly fighting there but not the American ones.  We know the US is sending Iraq arms, but that hardly constitutes "fighting".
 
2013-12-31 09:17:48 AM

Prophet of Loss: In 2001, a group of Saudi and Yemeni nationals conducted "9/11". Our response was to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, sectarian enemies of the perpetrators of the attack.

[www.evans-politics.com image 220x169]


You forgot one part
 
2013-12-31 09:49:46 AM

fusillade762: Its Iraqi and Syrian branches - ISIS and the Nusra Front

I wouldn't mess with those guys. Especially once Krieger gets his clone army up and running.


He's still trying to figure out if a hologramic necklace counts as a christmas gift.

"Krieger san, you love me long time!"
 
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