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(The Pew Forum)   As if we needed more proof of its ever-rightward shift, in the last 4 years the GOP has moved from believing in evolution by a 15 point margin, to rejecting it by a 5 point margin   (pewforum.org) divider line 291
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2013-12-30 01:22:57 PM
So their views have...changed, or something? Altered? I can't think of the right word. I'm sure it will come to me.
 
2013-12-30 01:23:56 PM
Honestly though, I'm genuinely surprised the GOP actually favored evolution 4 years ago. And I'm also surprised they only disfavor it by 5 now. That seems good compared to what I was expecting.
 
2013-12-30 01:27:08 PM
Surprising? If there's a group of misfits that fight tooth-and-nail to evolve, it's the GOP.
 
2013-12-30 01:27:20 PM
this is why they can't have nice things (like the presidency).
 
2013-12-30 01:34:51 PM
Yay politics trolling!
 
2013-12-30 01:35:11 PM
Cruz/Palin 2016: I Ain't Come From No Damn Ape
 
2013-12-30 01:58:43 PM
Clearly, the natural environment of the GOP favors certain attributes over others, causing those individuals with the preferred attributes to proliferate at the expense of those who less well-suited to survival in those surroundings. It's some sort of selection process at work, before our very eyes.

Now, if only there were a word for that process.
 
2013-12-30 02:01:34 PM
Young people and educated people are more likely to believe in evolution.  Over time, people are generally getting more educated.  I believe that those young people who believe in evolution will carry that belief as they get older.

Things are getting better.  Slowly.  Faster would be nice, but the slow march of progress continues on.

/imho
 
2013-12-30 02:12:06 PM
Fail tag is appropriate.
 
2013-12-30 02:24:40 PM
Yep, the party who controls 1 out of 3, with the possibility of controlling 2 out 3 elected bodies of government in 2014 is functionally retarded. Nice work there 'Murica.
 
2013-12-30 02:24:49 PM

czetie: Clearly, the natural environment of the GOP favors certain attributes over others, causing those individuals with the preferred attributes to proliferate at the expense of those who less well-suited to survival in those surroundings. It's some sort of selection process at work, before our very eyes.

Now, if only there were a word for that process.


It's interesting to me that pure free market capitalism is a perfect example of natural selection, yet this is a concept that they are rejecting in larger and larger numbers in favor of the belief in a benevolent supreme being who will guide everything for us. Hypocrisy much?
 
2013-12-30 02:32:15 PM
All those young people & educated elites are betraying their country by defecting to teh evil liberalism side!

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2013-12-30 02:33:43 PM

mountebank_t_cad: Yay politics trolling!


Been on the internet long?
 
2013-12-30 02:34:36 PM
Well, at least a majority of them still believe in evolution.  Yes, the margin has narrowed in the past few years.  I'm also happy 60% of the overall adult population in the US sides with evolution.  Although the 33% not accepting evolution is more than a bit disturbing.  Maybe, as Junior keeps putting off his return date, more people will continue to accept science over superstition.  We can only hope.
 
2013-12-30 02:36:13 PM
Since when is science something we accept as a matter of faith? Isn't that, like, the antithesis of science?
 
2013-12-30 02:38:43 PM

jwa007: Well, at least a majority of them still believe in evolution.  Yes, the margin has narrowed in the past few years.  I'm also happy 60% of the overall adult population in the US sides with evolution.  Although the 33% not accepting evolution is more than a bit disturbing.  Maybe, as Junior keeps putting off his return date, more people will continue to accept science over superstition.  We can only hope.


60% is dismal. In this supposedly modern technological society it should be 99% or more.
 
2013-12-30 02:44:19 PM
The thing you don't get from that is how many people self identified as each party in each poll.

Because, one way to take it is that people in the GOP have changed their opinions on the subject.

Another way to look at it (especially if the number of id'ed GOP'ers went down from 09 to 13) is that the people who do believe in evolution have un-identified themselves as GOP in droves in 4 years.
 
2013-12-30 02:53:06 PM

DamnYankees: Honestly though, I'm genuinely surprised the GOP actually favored evolution 4 years ago. And I'm also surprised they only disfavor it by 5 now. That seems good compared to what I was expecting.


As always, response level depends on exact question wording. In this case, it looks to have been:

Which comes closer to your view? [READ AND RANDOMIZE] Humans and other living things have evolved over time [OR] Humans and other living things have existed in their present form since the beginning of time


czetie: It's some sort of selection process at work, before our very eyes.


It's not clear whether it's selection, or merely assorting. Direct Darwin awards aren't all that common.
 
2013-12-30 02:53:32 PM

mountebank_t_cad: Yay politics trolling!


How is this trolling?
I am sure that you will provide some nuanced view

/It can't be libel if its true.
 
2013-12-30 02:54:07 PM

make me some tea: jwa007: Well, at least a majority of them still believe in evolution.  Yes, the margin has narrowed in the past few years.  I'm also happy 60% of the overall adult population in the US sides with evolution.  Although the 33% not accepting evolution is more than a bit disturbing.  Maybe, as Junior keeps putting off his return date, more people will continue to accept science over superstition.  We can only hope.

60% is dismal. In this supposedly modern technological society it should be 99% or more.


Exactly. Medicine is science. Technology is science. Combustion engines are science. Ballistics and gun fire are science. Explosion in food production? Science. Air Conditioning? Central Heating? All of what we depend on? Science.
 
2013-12-30 02:59:19 PM

Nadie_AZ: make me some tea: jwa007: Well, at least a majority of them still believe in evolution.  Yes, the margin has narrowed in the past few years.  I'm also happy 60% of the overall adult population in the US sides with evolution.  Although the 33% not accepting evolution is more than a bit disturbing.  Maybe, as Junior keeps putting off his return date, more people will continue to accept science over superstition.  We can only hope.

60% is dismal. In this supposedly modern technological society it should be 99% or more.

Exactly. Medicine is science. Technology is science. Combustion engines are science. Ballistics and gun fire are science. Explosion in food production? Science. Air Conditioning? Central Heating? All of what we depend on? Science.


40% of us not understanding basic scientific concepts is disturbing to me. Our system has failed those people.
 
2013-12-30 03:00:05 PM
 
2013-12-30 03:02:55 PM

Nadie_AZ: Exactly. Medicine is science. Technology is science. Combustion engines are science. Ballistics and gun fire are science. Explosion in food production? Science. Air Conditioning? Central Heating? All of what we depend on? Science.


Turning water into wine? Magic.  Parting the Red Sea? Magic. Making bird poop look like your only son? Magic.
 
2013-12-30 03:06:22 PM

make me some tea: It's interesting to me that pure free market capitalism is a perfect example of natural selection, yet this is a concept that they are rejecting in larger and larger numbers in favor of the belief in a benevolent supreme being who will guide everything for us.


It's easily reconciled by equivocating between the "invisible hand" of the market, per Adam Smith, with the "invisible hand" of God. As long as the person doesn't pay close attention anyway.

jwa007: Well, at least a majority of them still believe in evolution.


Err... Americans in general? Yes. Republicans? No.

dletter: Another way to look at it (especially if the number of id'ed GOP'ers went down from 09 to 13) is that the people who do believe in evolution have un-identified themselves as GOP in droves in 4 years.


That would not seem to explain why the Democrats and Independents have had relatively little change, by itself.

It seems likely some of both.
 
2013-12-30 03:07:54 PM

dletter: Another way to look at it (especially if the number of id'ed GOP'ers went down from 09 to 13) is that the people who do believe in evolution have un-identified themselves as GOP in droves in 4 years.


I agree with this school of thought. The beliefs haven't changed, the party has changed. People with critical thinking skills are leaving the party to the Sarah Palins.
 
2013-12-30 03:09:07 PM

abb3w: It's easily reconciled by equivocating between the "invisible hand" of the market, per Adam Smith, with the "invisible hand" of God. As long as the person doesn't pay close attention anyway.


Superficially I suppose, but the concepts are two entirely different things.
 
2013-12-30 03:14:03 PM

Nadie_AZ: Medicine is science. Technology is science. Combustion engines are science. Ballistics and gun fire are science. Explosion in food production? Science. Air Conditioning? Central Heating? All of what we depend on? Science.


Engineering, rather. Which I would say is not quite the same thing.

Poetically, Science can be considered as a way of talking about the universe with mathematics to express the objective reality of it; Engineering, a method of talking to the universe, to make (cosmetic) changes from how it is now to other preferred possibilities in the future. In so far as the latter is often done using using knowledge of that mathematical language from the former, the two are semi-compatible.
 
2013-12-30 03:19:48 PM
I wonder how many of these conservatives that don't believe in evolution are dairy farmers from rural areas in the US.

It'd be funny because the ability to process lactose into adulthood is a mutation that showed up in humans only 12,000 years ago. While they deny evolution, their livelihoods depend on human evolution.
 
2013-12-30 03:21:46 PM
dashburst.com

/oblig
 
2013-12-30 03:24:34 PM
Ah, if there's a steady paycheck in it, I'll believe anything you say.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-12-30 03:27:44 PM

make me some tea: Superficially I suppose, but the concepts are two entirely different things.


Indeed. However, if consider the idea of someone who ignores that sort of detail, it explains a lot about the Republican Religious Right.

Hmmm. Ever notice how much the letters RRR looks similar to the letters KKK?

RexTalionis: It'd be funny because the ability to process lactose into adulthood is a mutation that showed up in humans only 12,000 years ago.


But since that sort also tend to believe the whole world was created a mere 6000 years back, that's moot. On the other hand, there's more than one such mutation with that result; and a couple of them are more recent -- one perhaps as little as 3000 years back.
 
2013-12-30 03:32:39 PM

DamnYankees: So their views have...changed, or something? Altered? I can't think of the right word. I'm sure it will come to me.


Regressed?
 
2013-12-30 03:33:14 PM

abb3w: Indeed. However, if consider the idea of someone who ignores that sort of detail, it explains a lot about the Republican Religious Right.


Ugh. Point well taken.

Hmmm. Ever notice how much the letters RRR looks similar to the letters KKK?

D:
 
2013-12-30 03:38:06 PM
You should have to read Darwin's book before you can't believe in evolution.
 
2013-12-30 03:38:34 PM

RexTalionis: I wonder how many of these conservatives that don't believe in evolution are dairy farmers from rural areas in the US.

It'd be funny because the ability to process lactose into adulthood is a mutation that showed up in humans only 12,000 years ago. While they deny evolution, their livelihoods depend on human evolution.


Where's my "Like" button!
 
2013-12-30 03:42:51 PM

jaylectricity: mountebank_t_cad: Yay politics trolling!

Been on the internet long?


No, just got here. Anything I should know about?

Torgo_of_Manos: mountebank_t_cad: Yay politics trolling!

How is this trolling?
I am sure that you will provide some nuanced view

/It can't be libel if its true.


Yeah, it was a bit of a stupid off the cuff comment by me; however with respect to trolling I was more commenting on the queue that it started out inside vs the question which in the right place, it's a legitimate topic of political and cultural discussion. It appears it is now in the right place so I look like an idiot. Nothing new there.
 
2013-12-30 03:44:22 PM

Sybarite: [whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com image 566x835]

Link


Boy, that looks an awful lot like this chart...

graphics8.nytimes.com

Crazy!
 
2013-12-30 03:48:34 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You should have to read Darwin's book before you can't believe in evolution.


There is an inverse relationship between "reading things" and "people who don't believe in evolution".
 
2013-12-30 03:49:52 PM

Marcus Aurelius: You should have to read Darwin's book before you can't believe in evolution.


Why? I know my great great grandfather wasn't no monkey!
 
2013-12-30 03:54:39 PM

DamnYankees: So their views have...changed, or something? Altered? I can't think of the right word. I'm sure it will come to me.


From anecdotes on fark alone, I'd guess that sane people have fled, which makes up the entirety of the difference.
 
2013-12-30 03:55:06 PM
I would expect that most of this drop comes from people who believe in evolution but for whatever reason have stopped identifying with the GOP.
 
2013-12-30 03:55:14 PM
And most of those Republicans who believe in evolution believe that God intelligently guided the process of evolution.

/headdesk
 
2013-12-30 03:57:14 PM

DamnYankees: So their views have...changed, or something? Altered? I can't think of the right word. I'm sure it will come to me.


Change happens. Alteration happens. Evolution doesn't happen.

/That is an actual quote from a creationist video touting "intelligent design".
 
2013-12-30 03:57:25 PM

Serious Black: And most of those Republicans who believe in evolution believe that God intelligently guided the process of evolution.

/headdesk


Now that I really don't have a problem with. I don't believe that myself, but at least it's something to work with.
 
2013-12-30 03:58:12 PM
It's going to be really bad news for the religious fundies when we get to Europa and discover life in its oceans.
 
2013-12-30 03:58:16 PM
Years of denying facts results in continued and increased denying of facts, news at 11.
 
2013-12-30 03:58:56 PM

qorkfiend: It's going to be really bad news for the religious fundies when we get to Europa and discover life in its oceans.


Satan put evil life forms on Titan to confuse Man and drive him away from heaven.
 
2013-12-30 03:59:19 PM

sigdiamond2000: Cruz/Palin 2016: I Ain't Come From No Damn Ape


You didn't.  You are an ape.

/And a monkey...but even university biologists are in heated disputes over that one.
 
2013-12-30 04:00:18 PM

Torgo_of_Manos: [dashburst.com image 666x498]

/oblig


just like Jesus : )

/oblig
//repent
///yes, I'm kidding...but lots of folks who think that are not.
 
2013-12-30 04:00:42 PM

qorkfiend: It's going to be really bad news for the religious fundies when we get to Europa and discover life in its oceans.


Illegal aliens on Jupiters moon! Not in my country!
 
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