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2013-12-30 01:16:24 PM  
Good.  Let's pick up the bodies after it's done, Hold our services for the GOP, have our moment of silence, and: Move. The. Fark. On.

The GOP of Reagan's day was at least tolerable, and had ideas.  (Not all of them good, but not all bad, either)  The GOP of today isn't just 'comfortable in the position of opposition'.  They have BECOME the party of opposition.  Look at their platform.  Listen to the speeches (C-Span, if you want a more 'unfiltered' version)  They don't propose new ideas.  All they do is criticize and snipe.

Their purpose isn't to fix things any more.  They have no interest in 'fixing' anything.  It's all about opposition right now.  How much damage they can do to Democrats.  That's it.  That's all the modern GOP wants, and to hell with the country.
 
2013-12-30 02:20:04 PM  
If they are fighting themselves, they automatically lose.  Now if the survivors learn something from that...
 
2013-12-30 02:29:03 PM  
Taibbi is killing it.
 
IP
2013-12-30 02:30:38 PM  
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2013-12-30 02:32:39 PM  

A Cave Geek: Good.  Let's pick up the bodies after it's done, Hold our services for the GOP, have our moment of silence, and: Move. The. Fark. On.

The GOP of Reagan's day was at least tolerable, and had ideas.  (Not all of them good, but not all bad, either)  The GOP of today isn't just 'comfortable in the position of opposition'.  They have BECOME the party of opposition.  Look at their platform.  Listen to the speeches (C-Span, if you want a more 'unfiltered' version)  They don't propose new ideas.  All they do is criticize and snipe.

Their purpose isn't to fix things any more.  They have no interest in 'fixing' anything.  It's all about opposition right now.  How much damage they can do to Democrats.  That's it.  That's all the modern GOP wants, and to hell with the country.


Pretty much, yeah. I would have also mentioned the republican obsession with ideological purity but that's a minor quibble. At this point the republicans seem locked into a death spiral and determined to obliterate themselves.
 
2013-12-30 02:50:11 PM  

If you spend years letting your voters think Saddam Hussein was an agent of al-Qaeda, that passing a national health care program will result in the formation of Stalinist "death panels," or that Barack Obama is secretly a foreigner, you're going to end up with some loopy candidates prone to saying crazy things that will turn off voting majorities, which in turn will make it hard to the deliver policy objectives you actually care about for your big-money donors. The Republican establishment is only just figuring this out. Hence this new $50 million initiative, which according to the WSJ will involve the Chamber working with party leaders in"an aggressive effort to groom and support more centrist Republican candidates."


Good. Let's just fix the damn thing and get back to seeing Government as a tool to help solve problems- not create more.

 
2013-12-30 03:12:47 PM  
The Chamber's announcement was met with howls of outrage from Tea Party-friendly voices, who naturally took immediate offense to the prospect of boycotting "fools" from the political process.

"As a fool, I take offense to this!"
 
2013-12-30 03:15:37 PM  
The Modern GOP:

1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com
 
2013-12-30 03:18:02 PM  
So, based on the headline, this will be a long drawn out struggle that will achieve very little, cost the US a ton of money and credibility, and the casualties will be largely civilian?  Sounds about right.
 
2013-12-30 03:18:04 PM  
How many body parts must I sacrifice to make a Cruz/Duck ticket a reality? Just tell me the number and where to mail them.
 
2013-12-30 03:18:32 PM  
...we've been talking about a GOP "civil war" for months.

Where is it?

And, more important question, what the fark does it matter if the numbskulls will still blindly vote R against their better interest because "hurr libruls r bad!"
 
2013-12-30 03:20:20 PM  

IlGreven: ...we've been talking about a GOP "civil war" for months.

Where is it?

And, more important question, what the fark does it matter if the numbskulls will still blindly vote R against their better interest because "hurr libruls r bad!"


This IS it. Did you think it would be an actual shootin'-war?

Also:
spydersden.files.wordpress.com

// say what you want about his foreign policy and/or the similarity of his economic policy to modern Republicans', but this was balls-on accurate
 
2013-12-30 03:20:32 PM  
Bonus:
it will be ongoing and spend all their money.
 
2013-12-30 03:22:38 PM  
Our No. 1 focus is to make sure, when it comes to the Senate, that we have no loser candidates... That will be our mantra: No fools on our ticket.

In other news, the Chamber of Commerce and the Republican party have decided that the following people will be their Senatorial candidates in 2016:
 
2013-12-30 03:23:07 PM  

IlGreven: ...we've been talking about a GOP "civil war" for months.

Where is it?

And, more important question, what the fark does it matter if the numbskulls will still blindly vote R against their better interest because "hurr libruls r bad!"


It doesn't appear until the election rolls around. This has been in the works since the failing of 2012. It'll be on full display in the run up to November 2014 and hell, it'll be on a bigger display for the 2016 convention.

/gonna make the '68 Democratic convention seem like nothing
 
2013-12-30 03:28:34 PM  

somedude210: IlGreven: ...we've been talking about a GOP "civil war" for months.

Where is it?

And, more important question, what the fark does it matter if the numbskulls will still blindly vote R against their better interest because "hurr libruls r bad!"

It doesn't appear until the election rolls around. This has been in the works since the failing of 2012. It'll be on full display in the run up to November 2014 and hell, it'll be on a bigger display for the 2016 convention.

/gonna make the '68 Democratic convention seem like nothing


You'll know the war has started when the RNC and Super PACs start in on each other in a cloud of feathers and blood.
 
2013-12-30 03:31:39 PM  

somedude210: /gonna make the '68 Democratic convention seem like nothing


Don't kid yourself. There is no-one on the right with even a tenth the talent required to reprise the 1968 role of Abbie Hoffman.

/RAND PAUL!!!1!
 
2013-12-30 03:33:39 PM  

somedude210: /gonna make the '68 Democratic convention seem like nothing


Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please Oh please
 
2013-12-30 03:34:16 PM  
The only winning move is not to play.
 
2013-12-30 03:34:57 PM  
That will be our mantra: No fools on our ticket.

So, they're not fielding any candidates then?
 
2013-12-30 03:39:57 PM  
A Cave Geek:
Their purpose isn't to fix things any more.  They have no interest in 'fixing' anything.  It's all about opposition right now.  How much damage they can do to Democrats.  That's it.  That's all the modern GOP wants, and to hell with the country.

and cut taxes for the wealthy.
 
2013-12-30 03:41:25 PM  

Devo: A Cave Geek:
Their purpose isn't to fix things any more.  They have no interest in 'fixing' anything.  It's all about opposition right now.  How much damage they can do to Democrats.  That's it.  That's all the modern GOP wants, and to hell with the country.

and cut taxes for the wealthy.


But of course. If they're going to destroy the thing, why not make sure their pals carry off everything that isn't nailed down first?
 
2013-12-30 03:42:36 PM  
I'm not sure who to root for here.
 
2013-12-30 03:43:33 PM  

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2013-12-30 03:45:24 PM  
One part of the GOP is a smash and grab crime syndicate who work for the rich and the other is literally insane people. Whoever wins we all lose.
 
2013-12-30 03:46:22 PM  
Hopefully they can at least have the war outside of major metropolitan areas.  The derpout will be toxic for decades.
 
2013-12-30 03:46:51 PM  
FTFA: with Cruz maybe picking Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson as his more moderate running mate

newsthatsfittoprint.files.wordpress.com newsthatsfittoprint.files.wordpress.com

Be careful with that thing. No one likes a cocktease.
 
2013-12-30 03:47:31 PM  
This is like a slow motion, bloodless version of the "Night of the Long Knives." The GOP establishment has realized that the useful idiots of the Tea Party, while indeed idiots, are not exactly useful. They are going to fight tooth and claw against the Teahaddists in an effort to ensure they do no
 
2013-12-30 03:48:43 PM  
That will be our mantra: No fools on our ticket.


Oh hey, it's the "We need to stop being the party of stupid" again.
 
2013-12-30 03:51:27 PM  
But the article misses the entire point, and thus in its own way is as stupid as the people it seeks to condemn. The question isn't whether it's a joke. The question is whether they can get away with it. And why shouldn't the big money donors think they can get away with it? The money bought them stupid when they wanted stupid and now it will but them smarts when they need smarts.  In politics the only meaningful question is--will it work? The article doesn't address that at all.
 
2013-12-30 03:54:38 PM  

abb3w: /RAND PAUL!!!1!


i.imgur.com
 
2013-12-30 04:00:58 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: with Cruz maybe picking Duck Dynasty star Phil Robertson as his more moderate running mate

[newsthatsfittoprint.files.wordpress.com image 300x400] [newsthatsfittoprint.files.wordpress.com image 300x400]

Be careful with that thing. No one likes a cocktease.


That is nothing but pure clickbait. The moment the media (drive-by and lamestream, though it is) stops saying his name, attention whores like Cruz will too.

/he might as well tease that he's picking Justin Bieber or Miley Cyrus for his running mate
 
2013-12-30 04:05:18 PM  
Stupid farking iPhone...

This is like a slow motion, bloodless version of the "Night of the Long Knives."

The GOP establishment has realized that the useful idiots of the Tea Party, while indeed idiots, are not exactly useful. They are going to fight tooth and claw against the Teahaddists in an effort to ensure they don't have an opportunity - beyond roughly mid-May - to continue to drag the Republican Party further toward the Hurr Durr end of the political spectrum, thus alienating over 85% of American voters in perpetuity. The GOP establishment realizes that they MUST conduct a purge if they are to have any chance at long-term survival as a viable national party.

Unfortunately for the GOP, it's not going to work.

As George Carlin rightly pointed out, half of the people in our society are below-average (pronounced: stupid), and the Tea Party was designed from its inception to appeal to that half of the population. Unless the average IQ of the American people suddenly rises by 50 points, the dumb of the American electorate are going to continue to vote en masse for the dumber candidates on their election ballots, ensuring that the dumbest candidate possible survives their primaries. This will ensure that the choice in Senatorial races will be between a likable, knowledgable, moderate Democrat candidate and a detestable, uninformed and insane Republican candidate. In most states, that spells doom for the GOP's chances.

Just like Dr. Frankenstein was unable to control his creation, the GOP will be unable to control theirs.
 
2013-12-30 04:05:33 PM  
Well, they have the sense, (perhaps), to concentrate on the the Senate where there is a chance, as those are statewide races and more likely to favor moderate over extremist candidates. But what of the House? That is where the real recalcitrance exists and where gerrymandering favors the loons. If they can't bring the House to heel, they still face two more years of pointless votes to repeal Obamacare, threats of collapsing the debt ceiling, and other brand shaming antics. If they don't get control of the puppy dogs in the House, they still wont have a realistic shot at the big chair in'16.
 
2013-12-30 04:11:26 PM  
I think Rand Paul was being conditioned by McConnell and the party elders to be controlled opposition that voices the Tea Party's displeasure, but ultimately acquiesces to the money side of the party.  Ted Cruz blew that plan into a million pieces by seizing the mantle of leader and being entirely willing to lead his charge off a cliff if it kept his name in the papers and in the speculation for 2016.  Now, the derp right sees him as a messiah, and the schism has gotten worse than ever.

As with a great deal of problems in the country today, we're reaping the whirlwind that Reagan created and W intensified to insane levels.
 
2013-12-30 04:13:16 PM  

A Cave Geek: Good.  Let's pick up the bodies after it's done, Hold our services for the GOP, have our moment of silence, and: Move. The. Fark. On.

The GOP of Reagan's day was at least tolerable, and had ideas.  (Not all of them good, but not all bad, either)  The GOP of today isn't just 'comfortable in the position of opposition'.  They have BECOME the party of opposition.  Look at their platform.  Listen to the speeches (C-Span, if you want a more 'unfiltered' version)  They don't propose new ideas.  All they do is criticize and snipe.

Their purpose isn't to fix things any more.  They have no interest in 'fixing' anything.  It's all about opposition right now.  How much damage they can do to Democrats.  That's it.  That's all the modern GOP wants, and to hell with the country.


The Republicans govern by spite. Their entire ethos is, "what token meaningless act can I take that will annoy my liberal neighbors? How can I act like such an asshole today that my liberal brother-in-law will shake his head?"
 
2013-12-30 04:15:50 PM  
Also, because the GOP has taken to identifying moderates (those who appeal to the masses as being electable, reasonable & sane) as being "not conservative enough," they have pushed the Overton Window far enough to the right that only the truly insane can be deemed as being "conservative enough." It's a "no true Scotsman" writ large (in 72 pt bold underlined text, with a sparkly crying eagle in place of the dot above all lower case "i's" and "j's").

The GOP will reap what it has sown. Enjoy having unelectable candidates, Republicans.
 
2013-12-30 04:16:34 PM  
There is little policy difference between "mainstream" republicans and "teabag" republicans.
 
2013-12-30 04:19:47 PM  

Muta: There is little policy difference between "mainstream" republicans and "teabag" republicans.


Ding ding ding.

Moderate Republicans, otherwise known as unicorns.
 
2013-12-30 04:19:54 PM  

MustangFive: The GOP will reap what it has sown. Enjoy having unelectable candidates, Republicans.


Unelectable until the Democrats stumble, and then god help us all.
 
2013-12-30 04:24:57 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Taibbi is killing it.


I don't always like his writing style, but his position is usually spot-on.  In this piece, he was even more correct than usual.
 
2013-12-30 04:25:54 PM  

MustangFive: As George Carlin rightly pointed out, half of the people in our society are below-average (pronounced: stupid),


I hate that quote, because that is NOT HOW AVERAGES WORK.

Half our population is, by necessity, below *MEDIAN* intelligence. They are not *necessarily* below "Average" intelligence.

Here's an example: Say I have the numbers 1, 7, 8, and 9. The average of those numbers is 6.25.

Half of those numbers are not below 6.25.


Now, if the intelligence of the US follows a bell shaped curve (I believe it might, though how you quantify 'intelligence', I'm not certain), or is a normal distribution, etc, THEN half the US is below average intelligence.

/Pedantic
//But WORDS MEAN THINGS, damnit.
 
2013-12-30 04:31:10 PM  

qorkfiend: MustangFive: The GOP will reap what it has sown. Enjoy having unelectable candidates, Republicans.

Unelectable until the Democrats stumble, and then god help us all.


Even if/when the Democrats stumble, as long as their candidate isn't as bug-farking crazy as the Republican's, there's little chance of a Republican win (See: 1st Obama/Romney debate). The Democratic candidate would have to stumble a la "dead hooker discovered in the trunk after mouthing off to a cop about 'I know my rights!!!' at a DUI checkpoint" in order to lose.
 
2013-12-30 04:32:06 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Taibbi is killing it.


Unquestionably.  What a great read, and a sharp observation.
 
2013-12-30 04:32:10 PM  
They may be at war over the candidates but they're still pulling the lever for the Republican at the booth.
 
2013-12-30 04:37:03 PM  

Felgraf: MustangFive: As George Carlin rightly pointed out, half of the people in our society are below-average (pronounced: stupid),

I hate that quote, because that is NOT HOW AVERAGES WORK.

Half our population is, by necessity, below *MEDIAN* intelligence. They are not *necessarily* below "Average" intelligence.

Here's an example: Say I have the numbers 1, 7, 8, and 9. The average of those numbers is 6.25.

Half of those numbers are not below 6.25.


Now, if the intelligence of the US follows a bell shaped curve (I believe it might, though how you quantify 'intelligence', I'm not certain), or is a normal distribution, etc, THEN half the US is below average intelligence.

/Pedantic
//But WORDS MEAN THINGS, damnit.


Sure, median vs. mean...

But if you actually engage in conversations with people on any sort of regular basis, you'll realize that about half of the people in America possess a level of intelligence just above needing to be reminded to breathe every 4-5 seconds (and that they can do so with their mouths closed).
 
2013-12-30 04:40:09 PM  
"Misguided," said Chris Chocola, president of the Club for Growth.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-12-30 04:41:36 PM  

MustangFive: qorkfiend: MustangFive: The GOP will reap what it has sown. Enjoy having unelectable candidates, Republicans.

Unelectable until the Democrats stumble, and then god help us all.

Even if/when the Democrats stumble, as long as their candidate isn't as bug-farking crazy as the Republican's, there's little chance of a Republican win (See: 1st Obama/Romney debate). The Democratic candidate would have to stumble a la "dead hooker discovered in the trunk after mouthing off to a cop about 'I know my rights!!!' at a DUI checkpoint" in order to lose.


Yeah, I meant something a bit more serious than one poor debate performance (though that did narrow the gap by quite a bit).

I'm thinking some sort of September/October surprise, and not the fake kind. It's all hypothetical, of course, but I think that it would have been quite the long shot to expect an incumbent president to win in a situation like 2008 (like if John Kerry had won in 2004), where the fiscal crisis blew up with only a month to go, regardless of the opponent.
 
2013-12-30 04:53:03 PM  
Good luck trying to toss the baggers out of your party. They ARE your party. People wonder why the GOP won't boot the nuts, but booting them would take 95% of the party away.

It irks me when people pretend there's a difference between the GOP and the tea party. Sure, some of them end up voting for the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party but it's so small an amount as to be totally ineffectual.
 
2013-12-30 04:54:54 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: They may be at war over the candidates but they're still pulling the lever for the Republican at the booth.


This.  The war just determines whether the psychopath or the sociopath wins the candidacy.  Their ability to win the race vs. the Democratic candidate is based on demographics and ain't no hate like ____ hate.  Their base will always vote for them though, and the mythical independent swing vote is shrinking every day.
 
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