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2013-12-30 12:33:13 PM
What percentage thought it was repealed?
What percentage went with paying the fine, rather than signing up?
What percentage are mentally ill or unable to use the internet (old, poor, whatever)?
 
2013-12-30 12:38:56 PM
Yeah, because that whole "negative propaganda campaign" thing is just a myth of the Lamestream media.

Ouch - I think I hurt my eye by over-rolling them. Thank God I have good health insurance.
 
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2013-12-30 12:43:03 PM
namatad:
What percentage are mentally ill or unable to use the internet (old, poor, Republican, whatever)?

I do suspect that plenty on the right didn't sign up because they are afraid the death panels will get them or something like that.  People who get their info from Fox.
 
2013-12-30 12:50:44 PM
Its foolish to believe that the right's disinformation campaign hasn't played a part.
 
2013-12-30 12:56:22 PM

namatad: What percentage thought it was repealed?
What percentage went with paying the fine, rather than signing up?
What percentage are mentally ill or unable to use the internet (old, poor, whatever)?


KFF poll from April:

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2013-12-30 01:08:07 PM
It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.
 
2013-12-30 01:12:57 PM

DamnYankees: It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.


Can't be that. I was told so on all the news channels.

But as long as we're at it, which 2 months didn't it work? It still doesn't work, 3 months since it was launched.
 
2013-12-30 01:23:12 PM

vpb: namatad:
What percentage are mentally ill or unable to use the internet (old, poor, Republican, whatever)?

I do suspect that plenty on the right didn't sign up because they are afraid the death panels will get them or something like that.  People who get their info from Fox.


Isn't that the news outlet who has a Saudi Prince as their #2 shareholder or something?  Railing against muslims while being owned by one....
 
2013-12-30 01:25:16 PM

DamnYankees: It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.


#1 factor.   Which is the #1 reason they needed a sterling launch and blew it.

But the existence of a misinformation campaign is undeniable.


Why I'm Not Signing Up For Obamacare and You Shouldn't Either

HOW TO OPT OUT OF OBAMACARE WITHOUT PAYING THE FINE

Eight Ways to Opt Out of ObamaCare

How To Opt Out Of Obamacare

National ObamaCare Opt Out Registry -- Opt Out of ObamaCare Now
 
2013-12-30 01:26:04 PM
My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges.  He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.
 
2013-12-30 01:26:48 PM

Diogenes: #1 factor.   Which is the #1 reason they needed a sterling launch and blew it.

But the existence of a misinformation campaign is undeniable.


Totally true. They blew the launch. I'm one of those people who thinks it doesn't matter much. In 3 years no one will give a shiat, and the idea of arguing against the ACA based on its botched launch will be absurd.
 
2013-12-30 01:28:48 PM

Sleeping Monkey: Its foolish to believe that the right's disinformation campaign hasn't played a part.


When he was running for President, and when pushing Obamacare, the number of those in need of insurance was 30 million.  I guess that same 30 million somehow found other alternatives since then.
 
2013-12-30 01:29:26 PM

DamnYankees: Diogenes: #1 factor.   Which is the #1 reason they needed a sterling launch and blew it.

But the existence of a misinformation campaign is undeniable.

Totally true. They blew the launch. I'm one of those people who thinks it doesn't matter much. In 3 years no one will give a shiat, and the idea of arguing against the ACA based on its botched launch will be absurd.


I'm sure it will too.  But, we can be a dumb people and some can't differentiate between piss-poor IT project management and the ACA itself.  While I'm annoyed that it gave the critics another angle for attacks, we will get past it.
 
2013-12-30 01:56:05 PM

Dust: My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges.  He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.


Wow. He needs to hire a PEO company to handle his compliance, he's gonna get pummeled.
 
2013-12-30 01:56:34 PM
How many people are out there thinking that it's too late to sign up for healthcare through the exchanges? Most of the media I heard / saw during the Christmas break was horrible in this extent. "Today is the last possible day to sign up! The Obama administration extended the deadline one more day, but that's it!"

Nearly always forgot to mention: "...in order for you to be covered by insurance on January 1st. But you can still sign up for insurance until the end of March before you get taxed for not being covered."
 
2013-12-30 01:56:42 PM

I_C_Weener: Sleeping Monkey: Its foolish to believe that the right's disinformation campaign hasn't played a part.

When he was running for President, and when pushing Obamacare, the number of those in need of insurance was 30 million.  I guess that same 30 million somehow found other alternatives since then.


Go ask them
 
2013-12-30 01:56:45 PM
"Truth" and NRO should not be shown together it is false advertising
 
2013-12-30 01:59:59 PM
I imagine enrollment will go up sometime around April 15, 2015, accompanied by "THIS IS AN OUTRAGE" headlines.
 
2013-12-30 02:00:17 PM
I actually know a guy who would be eligible for subsidies, and refuses to sign up.

First he said he'd end have to pay over $400/month.  Except it would actually be less than $200/month with his income.

Then he actually said to me he'd rather die than buy Obama insurance.

You really can't argue with someone being that stupid.
 
2013-12-30 02:00:19 PM
Did the politics tab spring a leak? What's george zimmerman's take on it? What does Palin think of the tab leak? What is the opposing view?
 
2013-12-30 02:01:56 PM
So what happens when March comes around and there are only a million people enrolled?
 
2013-12-30 02:02:06 PM
Oh hai, is this the thread where I herp a derpa derp?
 
2013-12-30 02:02:13 PM
The politics derp has infected the main page. Better run while you still can.
 
2013-12-30 02:02:29 PM
"When that fine is going to kick in, you're going to see people trotting to sign on like you've never seen it before," she said.

Gold.


Nice governance. Very nice.
 
2013-12-30 02:03:08 PM

Lando Lincoln: How many people are out there thinking that it's too late to sign up for healthcare through the exchanges? Most of the media I heard / saw during the Christmas break was horrible in this extent. "Today is the last possible day to sign up! The Obama administration extended the deadline one more day, but that's it!"

Nearly always forgot to mention: "...in order for you to be covered by insurance on January 1st. But you can still sign up for insurance until the end of March before you get taxed for not being covered."


The media's job is not to report things accurately, their job is to dramatize it so that you don't change the channel.
 
2013-12-30 02:04:46 PM
And 50 million people still don't have health insurance.  Only now they will have to pay anyway and still not have it.

/Thanks Obama!
 
2013-12-30 02:04:52 PM

DubtodaIll: So what happens when March comes around and there are only a million people enrolled?


Fire and brimstone. The end of all creation.
 
2013-12-30 02:05:46 PM

DamnYankees: DubtodaIll: So what happens when March comes around and there are only a million people enrolled?

Fire and brimstone. The end of all creation.


Finally.
 
2013-12-30 02:08:43 PM

Dust: My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges.  He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.


Our HR department gave a presentation last year that basically said "they may not be able to offer health insurance any longer due to the rising costs of healthcare due to the ACA" - mind you, this was before all of the costs had been announced and just before the election. Many of the execs are tea-baggers...you do the math.
 
2013-12-30 02:09:53 PM

DamnYankees: DubtodaIll: So what happens when March comes around and there are only a million people enrolled?

Fire and brimstone. The end of all creation.


Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!
 
2013-12-30 02:13:34 PM

garandman1a: But as long as we're at it, which 2 months didn't it work? It still doesn't work, 3 months since it was launched.


I would assume he meant October and November when just over 100 thousand Americans enrolled, but the fact that you're adamant that functionality hadn't been in December show how impressive it is that nearly a million people enrolled using the site this month.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/29/the-decem be r-deluge-1-1-million-have-enrolled-on-healthcare-gov/
 
2013-12-30 02:13:55 PM
I signed up for Obamacare, the whole "Affordable" thing draw me in, I made the mistake of voting for assclown the first time around, I voted Romney the second - I was hoping there would be a POSSIBILITY of having insurance once in my life time.

My wife has cancer, i'm 31 with no health problems, or smoke - for the very basic insurance? $680 a month, excluding my wife who can't get medicare because it was not extended in my state (thanks asshole).

/yep goign to wait until its repelled and hope the costs go down again, it was $325 a month when I first signed up, then it skyrocketed
 
2013-12-30 02:15:59 PM
I have an actual question, I've already got insurance and I pay $86 bucks a month for decent coverage/co-pay and whatnot.  Do I have to sign up to the website anyway?
 
2013-12-30 02:17:57 PM

Misconduc: My wife has cancer, i'm 31 with no health problems, or smoke - for the very basic insurance? $680 a month, excluding my wife who can't get medicare because it was not extended in my state (thanks asshole).


Assuming the "Lakeland" in your bio is Lakeland, FL, I just went to Healthcare.gov right now and say that there are bronze plans starting at $213 per month for you. And that's without subsidies.
 
2013-12-30 02:18:38 PM
Believing it was repealed and hoping it would be are two different things. Some folks were waiting with the expectation of it changing in some way, not wanting to waste their time.
 
2013-12-30 02:18:41 PM

DubtodaIll: I have an actual question, I've already got insurance and I pay $86 bucks a month for decent coverage/co-pay and whatnot.  Do I have to sign up to the website anyway?


No.
 
2013-12-30 02:19:15 PM
People aren't signing up for Obamacare because it's a raw deal for them.

Say you're uninsured. Your medical care is basically free. With Obamacare, you have to pay monthly premiums, and you have to pay for your care too - because for any premium you can afford the deductible is like $10k.

Poor people can do math too, and the math really doesn't work out.

For some people Obamacare will be a great deal. For those with pre-existing conditions or have expensive, long-term treatment Obamacare will be great. No maximums means that we can all pay for your cancer treatments forever.

So eat all the fast food and smoke everything that you want, because we'll all pay for your treatment later in life when you get diabetes and lung cancer. Thanks!
 
2013-12-30 02:19:25 PM

halfpastnvr: Dust: My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges.  He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.

Our HR department gave a presentation last year that basically said "they may not be able to offer health insurance any longer due to the rising costs of healthcare due to the ACA" - mind you, this was before all of the costs had been announced and just before the election. Many of the execs are tea-baggers...you do the math.


ACA is destroying most of the old minimal care plans most companies used to offer. You know, the really cheap ones. The reason? According to the ACA; those cheapo depo plans don't cover enough. Plenty of hardworking people will lose their jobs, because big corporations are cheap. They'd rather employ more people, for less total hours per employee. This law couldn't be better written to screw over the little guy.
 
2013-12-30 02:19:49 PM

DamnYankees: Misconduc: My wife has cancer, i'm 31 with no health problems, or smoke - for the very basic insurance? $680 a month, excluding my wife who can't get medicare because it was not extended in my state (thanks asshole).

Assuming the "Lakeland" in your bio is Lakeland, FL, I just went to Healthcare.gov right now and say that there are bronze plans starting at $213 per month for you. And that's without subsidies.


How about for the Land of a Thousand Lakes?
 
2013-12-30 02:21:46 PM
""When that fine is going to kick in, you're going to see people trotting to sign on like you've never seen it before," she said. "

So....

I don't even know what to say, that this quote has not already said.
 
2013-12-30 02:22:16 PM

garkola: People aren't signing up for Obamacare because it's a raw deal for them.

Say you're uninsured. Your medical care is basically free. With Obamacare, you have to pay monthly premiums, and you have to pay for your care too - because for any premium you can afford the deductible is like $10k.

Poor people can do math too, and the math really doesn't work out.

For some people Obamacare will be a great deal. For those with pre-existing conditions or have expensive, long-term treatment Obamacare will be great. No maximums means that we can all pay for your cancer treatments forever.

So eat all the fast food and smoke everything that you want, because we'll all pay for your treatment later in life when you get diabetes and lung cancer. Thanks!


That makes me want to go out to buy a carton of marble lights and a mega cherry coke with chocolate. And maybe pick up a bucket of poplars from KFC.
 
2013-12-30 02:22:35 PM

puckrock2000: DamnYankees: DubtodaIll: So what happens when March comes around and there are only a million people enrolled?

Fire and brimstone. The end of all creation.

Dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!


Imagine a Twinkie the size of New York.
 
2013-12-30 02:25:14 PM
I was listening to a family friend on Christmas Eve going off on how Obamacare was going to crush family.  He hadn't even researched his specifics, hadn't attempted to enroll, and was totally unaware of the fact that he's entitled to subsidies (which took me all of 10 minutes on my cell phone to find out for him).  But he knew it EVIL!

His father is constantly pumping him with the derp, though.  But you'd figure after so many years of being misled by the guy he'd know better.
 
2013-12-30 02:25:26 PM

garkola: People aren't signing up for Obamacare because it's a raw deal for them.

Say you're uninsured. Your medical care is basically free. With Obamacare, you have to pay monthly premiums, and you have to pay for your care too - because for any premium you can afford the deductible is like $10k.

Poor people can do math too, and the math really doesn't work out.

For some people Obamacare will be a great deal. For those with pre-existing conditions or have expensive, long-term treatment Obamacare will be great. No maximums means that we can all pay for your cancer treatments forever.

So eat all the fast food and smoke everything that you want, because we'll all pay for your treatment later in life when you get diabetes and lung cancer. Thanks!


Except there hasn't been any real world data set from countries with natural healthcare programs that show this moral hazard come to fruition. Americans didn't have a history of avoiding cancer and diabetes because of the cost of care, and other countries don't show individuals suddenly having a spike in those cases out of line with the international increase in these diseases in the last few decades.

It's almost like healthcare costs are highly inelastic and people either don't consider the cost of potential ailments regardless of price or are naturally avoiding sickness regardless of cost because being sick sucks.
 
2013-12-30 02:29:24 PM

garandman1a: DamnYankees: It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.

Can't be that. I was told so on all the news channels.

But as long as we're at it, which 2 months didn't it work? It still doesn't work, 3 months since it was launched.



Clearly the 1 million successful enrollments via the website are just a lie by the libtards?

Can we get Dean Chambers to unskew the numbers for us?

a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com
 
2013-12-30 02:31:15 PM

morcoth: ""When that fine is going to kick in, you're going to see people trotting to sign on like you've never seen it before," she said. "

So....

I don't even know what to say, that this quote has not already said.



It has. It's just been ignored. Think of three monkeys. One has his hands over his eyes, the other his mouth... well, you get the idea.
 
2013-12-30 02:31:29 PM
Obamacare will fail, and will be eventually replaced by a system similar to Britain's NHS. Your employer doesn't give a fark about your insurance, and will be glad to rid themselves of this problem at the earliest convenient opportunity. Like any other thing of value, medical care will be rationed. Congress, the POTUS, and other people more important than you and me will receive special access to places like the Bethesda Naval Hospital etc.
 
2013-12-30 02:32:06 PM

Pangea: garandman1a: DamnYankees: It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.

Can't be that. I was told so on all the news channels.

But as long as we're at it, which 2 months didn't it work? It still doesn't work, 3 months since it was launched.


Clearly the 1 million successful enrollments via the website are just a lie by the libtards?

Can we get Dean Chambers to unskew the numbers for us?

[a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com image 652x365]


pjmedia.com
 
2013-12-30 02:32:46 PM

Diogenes: I was listening to a family friend on Christmas Eve going off on how Obamacare was going to crush family.  He hadn't even researched his specifics, hadn't attempted to enroll, and was totally unaware of the fact that he's entitled to subsidies (which took me all of 10 minutes on my cell phone to find out for him).  But he knew it EVIL!

His father is constantly pumping him with the derp, though.  But you'd figure after so many years of being misled by the guy he'd know better.


Where's the subsidy for people who loose full time jobs because the company they work for is too cheap to pay for the insurance?

/ I agree with the sentiment that everyone needs access to affordable healthcare; the only thing is, who's going to pay for it? Insurance companies? Please
 
2013-12-30 02:34:09 PM

DamnYankees: It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.


It's low because, regardless of opinion on the law, America is full to the rafters with intellectual dwarves. People either will cut off their nose to spite their face and even actively do everything possible to make the law fail (not enroll or hinder those that want to), bang their head against a wall rather than circumvent the problems with the website (i.e. pick up the damn phone and call the toll free number to enroll), or just not bother doing anything except for blaming anyone but themselves.
 
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