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(NPR)   GOP to dramatically shorten its presidential primary season, mainly because it will give the Tea Party whack-jobs who will undoubtedly run less time under the media spotlight   (npr.org) divider line 182
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2013-12-30 10:51:04 AM  
that's a shame. i thought their field was really entertaining last time.
 
2013-12-30 10:55:25 AM  

FlashHarry: that's a shame. i thought their field was really entertaining last time.


Only in retrospect. At the time if was terrifying since the whackadoodles had a damn good chance of getting into the White House.
 
2013-12-30 10:56:46 AM  
Well that sucks.. How will people become infromed now?
 
2013-12-30 11:12:09 AM  
The GOP can't stand up to scrutiny...particularly of their ideas.  Their solution?  Talk about their positions less.  As opposed to...you know...coming up with better ideas?
 
2013-12-30 11:41:13 AM  
This makes me so sad. I had plans to host many debate parties, complete with drinking contests and snacks. :(
 
2013-12-30 11:42:44 AM  

A Cave Geek: The GOP can't stand up to scrutiny...particularly of their ideas.  Their solution?  Talk about their positions less.  As opposed to...you know...coming up with better ideas?


When the actual agenda is to keep you from noticing "fark you, I got mine", it's not really possible to have better ideas.
 
2013-12-30 12:06:11 PM  

A Cave Geek: The GOP can't stand up to scrutiny...particularly of their ideas.  Their solution?  Talk about their positions less.  As opposed to...you know...coming up with better ideas?


"We fixed the glitch."
 
2013-12-30 12:41:22 PM  
This solution seems to perfectly fit their thought processes.

When they noticed they were losing the poor and minority votes they didn't reach out to bring those people into the tent, they tried everything they could to prevent them from voting at all.

Since they've realized that most of their potential candidates are batshiat crazy their solution is to limit the exposure so no one realizes how crazy they are instead of just nurturing better candidates.
 
2013-12-30 12:41:32 PM  

A Cave Geek: The GOP can't stand up to scrutiny...particularly of their ideas.  Their solution?  Talk about their positions less.  As opposed to...you know...coming up with better ideas?


Remember - it is the GOP belief that conservatism is a perfect platonic ideal. It cannot fail. Humans can only fail conservatism. One does not question the purity and absolute perfection of the ideal. It is simply not done.
 
2013-12-30 12:41:44 PM  

what_now: This makes me so sad. I had plans to host many debate parties, complete with drinking contests and snacks. :(


Bids for human livers on eBay will suffer because of this.
 
2013-12-30 12:43:59 PM  
I think twenty minutes should be sufficient.
 
2013-12-30 12:44:33 PM  
Because nothing says democracy like limiting the time for public debate.
 
2013-12-30 12:45:20 PM  
So basically they're compacting the voting season. Are they going to have 20 debates again, beginning 7 months out from the first caucus?
 
2013-12-30 12:46:31 PM  
It's like a giant Jenga of Derp.
 
2013-12-30 12:47:06 PM  
Chris Christie will be able to more quickly finish off the nut bowl on his way to the main course.
 
2013-12-30 12:47:19 PM  
I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee was because the process was so long.
 
2013-12-30 12:48:05 PM  
There are only so many ways you can say tax cuts and get rid of Obamacare.
 
2013-12-30 12:50:22 PM  
The GOP has ways of shutting down legitimate campaigns.
 
2013-12-30 12:52:37 PM  
www.theblaze.com
 
2013-12-30 12:52:40 PM  

Corn_Fed: I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee was because the process was so long.


It's still unclear how much of the base thinks that landing on Romney vs. one of the nuttier, more conservative candidates was a mistake. It's tough, cause you know even a more centrist GOP candidate has to swing right, and if it's for 2 1/2 months less total time, it might not be enough time to tack back towards the center once it looks like they've got the nomination locked in.

I'm always for more debates, though.
 
ecl
2013-12-30 12:53:29 PM  

Corn_Fed: I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee they lost was because the process was so long.


FTFY
 
2013-12-30 12:53:38 PM  

nmrsnr: Because nothing says democracy like limiting the time for public debate.



It's pretty obvious why today's GOP is so obsessed with talking about nonsense and pandering to idiots.  They don't want to talk about their actual policies, or the fact that virtually all of their substantive policies exclusively serve their wealthy donors at the expense of everyone else.
 
2013-12-30 12:54:36 PM  

A Cave Geek: The GOP can't stand up to scrutiny...particularly of their ideas.  Their solution?  Talk about their positions less.  As opposed to...you know...coming up with better ideas?


Devil's advocate: it's less about what the party's ideas and more about the base's ideas. The more spread out the primaries the more opportunity that an outsider candidate can make a name for themselves and spoil a coronation ceremony for the establishment candidate. Does anyone seriously dispute that Clinton would have curbstomped Obama if all the primaries had been on Super Tuesday?

The problem for Republicans is that the party leadership has candidates in mind who they know can be trusted to push forward those ideals the establishment most values, give a taste of red meat to the base from time to time, but otherwise seem non-objectionable to the general public. The base is all about purity tests, so if you want to be that outsider candidate, you have to establish yourself as the MOST conservative candidate. Hell, conservative primary voters will even admit that they don't entirely agree with the more extreme statements of these outsider candidates, but they like voting for candidates to their right over candidates to their left because they find it courageous to advocate turning the inner city into a place without a minimum wage or safety requirements to help revitalize those areas. The establishment candidates then spend the next few months assuring the base they will be just as severely conservative as the outsider candidates to protect their nomination, and then have to spend the rest of the election pretending they didn't just play a game of who can out-wackjob who.
 
2013-12-30 12:54:54 PM  

Corn_Fed: I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee was because the process was so long.


And that says something that it was Mittens.
 
2013-12-30 12:55:35 PM  

urger: FlashHarry: that's a shame. i thought their field was really entertaining last time.

Only in retrospect. At the time if was terrifying entertaining since the whackadoodles had a damn good zero chance of getting nominated, let alone voted into the White House.


Not a single one of the whackjobs ever polled ever close to beating President Obama.
 
2013-12-30 12:55:55 PM  
The Republican Party: The Less You Know of Us, the Better
 
2013-12-30 12:56:23 PM  

nmrsnr: Because nothing says democracy like limiting the time for public debate.


The nomination process (for any political party) is not a democratic one, nor should it be. The political parties are private entities with the right to choose their nominees by whatever process they like.

Which, of course, leads one to wonder why primary elections are conducted at public expense.
 
ecl
2013-12-30 12:57:09 PM  

TV's Vinnie: [www.theblaze.com image 586x383]


Satire.  Right?
 
2013-12-30 12:57:33 PM  

Corn_Fed: I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee was because the process was so long.


Indeed. It doesn't stop flash-in-the-pan idiots like Rick Perry or Herman Cain from getting the nomination, it just means by the time they show their disabilities they've already knocked up the GOP and can't be aborted.

It's a self-inflicted punishment so ironic only the ancient Greeks could properly understand it.
 
2013-12-30 12:57:43 PM  

ultraholland: The GOP has ways of shutting down legitimate campaigns.


They ask the candidate what they think about rape and abortion?

/bwhahahahahahahahaah
 
2013-12-30 12:57:53 PM  

EyeballKid: The Republican Party: The Less You Know of Us, the Better


Knowledge is the mind killer.

--Rand Paul(it was "knowledge" right?)
 
2013-12-30 12:58:13 PM  
This is a shame that they've shortened their debate schedule, I bought the big tub of popcorn kernels from BJs. What a waste!
 
2013-12-30 12:59:39 PM  
What's the matter, GOP, afraid of your own creation?

blogs.voanews.com
 
2013-12-30 01:00:13 PM  
 
2013-12-30 01:00:41 PM  
If it wasn't clear: I think if the primaries all happened within a month or so Romney would have won by a larger margin, simply because it would give the not-Romney voters less signals on which candidates had a shot and which were getting a lot of media coverage but comparatively less enthusiasm at the ballot box. More Bachmann votes, less Santorum votes, but no real net difference meaning the number of electors would likely become more likely to go Romney.
 
2013-12-30 01:00:55 PM  

what_now: This makes me so sad. I had plans to host many debate parties, complete with drinking contests and snacks. :(


I'm not pumping your stomach if you insist on  "take a shot, every time Reagan gets a rimjob" rules.
 
2013-12-30 01:02:07 PM  
The entertainment media is still gonna want soundbites from the candidates so the crazy will still flow and probably limit the time a more moderate candidate has to look presidential against their competitors.
 
2013-12-30 01:04:13 PM  
This won't help. It just means the crazy is going to come fast and furious and all at once, escalating into a mass orgy of insanity at a far more frenzied pace
 
2013-12-30 01:04:24 PM  

Corn_Fed: I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee was because the process was so long.


The hope, as far as I can see, is that the moderate Romey-esque (but with, you know, charisma) candidate won't have to pander so hard to the base, since they're lessening the winner-take-all states and hoping that crazies split amongst themselves so their centrist candidate can just coast, picking up a consistent second in the non-winner-take-all contests, have some of the crazies drop out with poor showings, and have the resources to start beating whoever is left once the winner-take-all races pick up, so they don't have to do a hard 180 coming in to the convention (which will be in June) and have an extra two months of solid campaigning before the Democratic convention happens.

We'll see how well that works, having only policies that appeal to the base, while having a candidate who can't publicly espouse those policies for fear of alienating everybody else.
 
2013-12-30 01:05:08 PM  

Corn_Fed: I don't even understand how this "solves" that problem. If the 2012 primary had been shorter, the convention would've likely coincided with the "peak" of Herman Cain or Michelle Bachman. Result: even crazier nominee.

The only reason their least-crazy candidate became the nominee was because the process was so long.


Exactly.

This only increases the chances that someone like Donald Trump or Judy Tenuta will be the nominee.
 
2013-12-30 01:05:53 PM  

nmrsnr: Because nothing says democracy like limiting the time for public debate.


You think this is bad try asking a true conservative Christian try and reconcile ayn rand with Jesus and his commandment to help the sick and poor.
 
2013-12-30 01:06:15 PM  
A shorter campaign season?  So, only 363 days this year?
 
2013-12-30 01:08:51 PM  

what_now: This makes me so sad. I had plans to host many debate parties, complete with drinking contests and snacks. :(


My friend had those last time. Even with shots of beer we had to call it quits after a half hour, because we all had work the next day.

Sgt Otter: I'm not pumping your stomach if you insist on "take a shot, every time Reagan gets a rimjob" rules.


You won't have to, merely mentioning Reagan's name turns alcohol into jelly beans in your stomach.
 
2013-12-30 01:10:05 PM  
It took a long time for GOP voters to settle on Romney.  If the campaign had been shortened, more of the voting may have landed at times when Gingrich or, god forbid, Herman Cain was up in the polls.

In fact, the shortened schedule with its increased emphasis on early fundraising could give an advantage to independently wealthy, crazy candidates like Cain.  They can dip into their own pockets for funding and less public vetting means that they may be able to conceal the true depths of the crazy until they've already started racking up delegates.
 
2013-12-30 01:12:01 PM  

ecl: TV's Vinnie: [www.theblaze.com image 586x383]

Satire.  Right?


Nope. Really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhs0r56OV1I
 
2013-12-30 01:12:15 PM  
TBH
Why hasnt the GOP moved the nominating process into complete and total private?
No GOP voter would ever complain about this. Why would they want to aid the enemy by letting the enemy know what they were doing and "thinking"??

Seriously. It is time to move back into the smokey rooms.
 
2013-12-30 01:12:17 PM  
Trump / Palin 2016

Because Freedom.
 
2013-12-30 01:12:50 PM  
The Tea Party is the best reality show on TV.
 
2013-12-30 01:13:29 PM  

vernonFL: Trump / Palin 2016


oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please  oh please
 
2013-12-30 01:13:42 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: The entertainment media is still gonna want soundbites from the candidates so the crazy will still flow and probably limit the time a more moderate candidate has to look presidential against their competitors.


Go a step further.
KNOWING that you have less time to make your mark will move some of the candidates to push harder to make a mark. This will probably increase the crazy, not decrease it.

BWAHAHAHAHA
 
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