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(NJ.com)   One minute you're lying outside a Nazi crematorium wishing to die and then almost 70 years later you're hugging the American soldier who liberated you, such is life   (nj.com) divider line 24
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2013-12-30 12:31:54 PM
5 votes:
2013-12-30 10:54:41 AM
4 votes:
Sometimes you just need a Larger Hero tag.
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2013-12-30 11:40:33 AM
3 votes:
Very few wars the United States has ever been involved in can be justified. In fact, the only ones I can think of are the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War.

World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Sadly, and most terrifying of all, is now we know how close the United States came to being like Hitler's Germany in the years before Pearl Harbor. We ate up his promotion of the theories of racial eugenics, the sterilization and sequestration of the mentally ill*, and even came close to implementing Germany's policies on euthanasia.
2013-12-30 12:28:41 PM
2 votes:
Stories like this make me want to take a wet horse whip to the Holocaust deniers.
2013-12-30 12:28:29 PM
2 votes:

Egoy3k: it's not, but I the majority of European colonies throughout the world gained independence without bloodshed.


Wat??
2013-12-30 12:13:55 PM
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.


Uncle Sam was no saint, Russian and Red China were on our side, or at least not our enemies...

WW2 wasn't a war against evil. It was a war OF evil. Hitler was the worst at the time, but Stalin and Mao 1uped him pretty damn good later. And the fire bombings....
2013-12-30 11:59:27 AM
2 votes:

hardinparamedic: Very few wars the United States has ever been involved in can be justified. In fact, the only ones I can think of are the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War.

World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Sadly, and most terrifying of all, is now we know how close the United States came to being like Hitler's Germany in the years before Pearl Harbor. We ate up his promotion of the theories of racial eugenics, the sterilization and sequestration of the mentally ill*, and even came close to implementing Germany's policies on euthanasia.


Yeah, in fact, discovering how terrible hitler was might have been a defining moment in American history where we started to reconsider the worst things we did.
2013-12-30 11:11:39 AM
2 votes:
Well, this is a very good way to start the week. =D
2013-12-30 07:01:05 PM
1 votes:
My grandparents were holocaust survivors.  My last remaining grandmother passed at age 92, Oct 2012.  She had been in Bergen-Belsen.  She and her mother and siblings survived, and she met my grandfather (He'd been in Mathausen) in a DP camp.  (They tried to go home to Hungary, but their neighbors were living in their houses and walking around in their clothes, so they left.)  They didn't talk about their experiences for a long time, but some years ago, my mom manged to interview them and get them to tell her some of it.  I'm quite sure it made them who they were...they were able to move on and make lives for themselves, and enjoy life, but I don't think anyone can live through something like that and not be permanently scarred in some way.

Meanwhile, my other grandfather got out of Europe in 1938, and earned US citizenship by joining the Army.  He went back to Europe and we have photos he left that he took during the war, including a few he took during a camp liberation.  I found out recently he had anger management issues, and would smack my grandma around.  While there is no excuse for that, I choose to believe the persecution his family suffered, and the horrors of war led him to behave that way.

Holocaust deniers are awful people.
2013-12-30 01:29:01 PM
1 votes:

RoyFokker'sGhost: Buck v. Bell has never been directly overturned and still exists as a matter of law.


Technically, Korematsu v. United States hasn't been overturned either.

mike_d85: durbnpoisn: hardinparamedic: Very few wars the United States has ever been involved in can be justified. In fact, the only ones I can think of are the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War.

World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Sadly, and most terrifying of all, is now we know how close the United States came to being like Hitler's Germany in the years before Pearl Harbor. We ate up his promotion of the theories of racial eugenics, the sterilization and sequestration of the mentally ill*, and even came close to implementing Germany's policies on euthanasia.

Witout doing any quick research on this, it is my understanding that the US wanted no part of WWII until the attack on Pearl Harbor.  That gave us a convenient excuse to get involved.  No one thought it was important to get invovled in the European conflict.
And what we did to the Japanses citizens in this country was really farked up.  (Just ask George Tekai).

You mean put them in forced labor camps?  Yeah.  I think I heard of other people using that strategy.  Can't think of where...


It is hard to imagine the horrors that would have been visited on the interned Japanese-Americans had the war gone worse, especially given the heinous things the Japanese government did to captured Americans.
2013-12-30 01:28:13 PM
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: Witout doing any quick research on this, it is my understanding that the US wanted no part of WWII until the attack on Pearl Harbor.


Not completely true. We had American pilots flying with the Brits before we ever got involved in the war. They were technically "volunteers" and many of them joined by crossing the border in to Canada and joining the RCAF. We were also sending loads of supplies to the Brits and Canadians via the Lend-Lease program. I think something like 17% of our total war expenditure was spent on this program.

Also, before Pearl Harbor, we had already instituted a peacetime draft, the first in our history. There was a lot of debate over whether we should get involved, but it was obvious to most that we were going to get involved eventually.


That gave us a convenient excuse to get involved.  No one thought it was important to get invovled in the European conflict.

Pearl Harbor did get us involved, and fighting the Japanese was the main motivation since they're the ones who attacked us. But there were already plenty of Americans who wanted to go fight the Germans by then.

Also, a lot of people don't realize that we were not ready to fight a land war when Pearl Harbor happened. Our army was still outfitted with WWI tech and training. The Allied invasion of Europe was delayed because of our lack of preparedness, and our first battles in Africa were a total disaster. Our navy, on the other hand, was far more formidable at this time, so going after the Japanese in the South Pacific made a lot more since in the early years. Also, the Japanese were the only ones who could threaten any meaningful attack on the mainland US.
2013-12-30 01:10:20 PM
1 votes:

Evil Mackerel: NateAsbestos: [www.theblitz.org image 235x235]
Just started reading this so I'm getting a kick...

You guys hear about this "Hitler" character? Seems like a bad egg. Hope he doesn't get too much power

The Berlin Diaries also by Shirer is also a worth while read.


As is his 'Collapse of the Third Republic'.
2013-12-30 01:10:09 PM
1 votes:
I still find it incredible that this is recent, living memory.  Like one day I was talking to my Granddad about an old shotgun he gave me.  He was telling me that it was his Grandfather's who fought in the Civil War, and it struck me that I was talking to a guy that personally knew a Civil War Soldier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_iq5yzJ-Dk
2013-12-30 01:06:48 PM
1 votes:

KJUW89: Stories like this make me want to take a wet horse whip to the Holocaust deniers.


Came here to say a variation of this.

/grandfather was imprisoned at Buchenwald
2013-12-30 01:06:22 PM
1 votes:

Egoy3k: without bloodshed


You really don't know what this means
2013-12-30 12:59:07 PM
1 votes:

doglover: hardinparamedic: World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Uncle Sam was no saint, Russian and Red China were on our side, or at least not our enemies...

WW2 wasn't a war against evil. It was a war OF evil. Hitler was the worst at the time, but Stalin and Mao 1uped him pretty damn good later. And the fire bombings....


The Japanese were pretty damned evil as well
2013-12-30 12:35:45 PM
1 votes:

ikanreed: hardinparamedic: Very few wars the United States has ever been involved in can be justified. In fact, the only ones I can think of are the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War.

World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Sadly, and most terrifying of all, is now we know how close the United States came to being like Hitler's Germany in the years before Pearl Harbor. We ate up his promotion of the theories of racial eugenics, the sterilization and sequestration of the mentally ill*, and even came close to implementing Germany's policies on euthanasia.

Yeah, in fact, discovering how terrible hitler was might have been a defining moment in American history where we started to reconsider the worst things we did.


Eugenics really got it's first foothold in the USA back around the turn of the 20th Century. We did the most research and promoting of the idea up until Hitler.

There's still eugenics and sterilization laws on the books in America; they're just not enforced. Buck v. Bell has never been directly overturned and still exists as a matter of law.
2013-12-30 12:33:01 PM
1 votes:

doglover: NateAsbestos: [www.theblitz.org image 235x235]
Just started reading this so I'm getting a kick...

You guys hear about this "Hitler" character? Seems like a bad egg. Hope he doesn't get too much power

You want a real good read, I had this book about Hitler's medical history.

His doctor was INSANE.


http://www.amazon.ca/The-Medical-Casebook-Adolf-Hitler/dp/0815410662

I think. my bookshelf is 12,000 miles away right now.
2013-12-30 12:28:47 PM
1 votes:

mike_d85: I've got to wonder.  Do these people complain about cold eggs and such?  I realize that they lived under the most brutal conditions imaginable wishing for death... but did they ever get over it?  Maybe forget themselves and go "this is the worst day of my LIFE!" because they spilled coffee on themselves, got stuck in traffic, lost their favorite pen, found out their cat was sick, stepped in dog poop, and missed lunch.


Yes.  They do.

The town in question is my hometown.  We have a lot of survivors in the area.  My mom did holocaust tracing for years and had one reunion.

The interesting this is that most of them spent the first 30 years or so basically quiet about their experiences.  I'm not sure that I would call it repression, but rather a desire to succeed and make a family and life of their own.  Dwelling on it was seen as unwise.  It's only been in the past 25 years or so that it's become accepted, almost trendy, to discuss your experiences.

But the majority of them grew up, had families and careers and complained about how salty the soup is.
2013-12-30 12:23:08 PM
1 votes:

doglover: hardinparamedic: World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Uncle Sam was no saint, Russian and Red China were on our side, or at least not our enemies...

WW2 wasn't a war against evil. It was a war OF evil. Hitler was the worst at the time, but Stalin and Mao 1uped him pretty damn good later. And the fire bombings....


Yeah, let's not forget the RAF and its campaign of terror. Of course, when you declare victory, you also get to write the history. ...but anyway, back to this whole "hero" thing from some grunt scooping up a skeletal sex slave at some random shiathole during the big war and all... carry on.
2013-12-30 12:19:52 PM
1 votes:

mike_d85: I've got to wonder.  Do these people complain about cold eggs and such?  I realize that they lived under the most brutal conditions imaginable wishing for death... but did they ever get over it?  Maybe forget themselves and go "this is the worst day of my LIFE!" because they spilled coffee on themselves, got stuck in traffic, lost their favorite pen, found out their cat was sick, stepped in dog poop, and missed lunch.


You are asking if old Jewish people complain.  Does the pope shiat in the woods?
2013-12-30 12:12:55 PM
1 votes:
I've got to wonder.  Do these people complain about cold eggs and such?  I realize that they lived under the most brutal conditions imaginable wishing for death... but did they ever get over it?  Maybe forget themselves and go "this is the worst day of my LIFE!" because they spilled coffee on themselves, got stuck in traffic, lost their favorite pen, found out their cat was sick, stepped in dog poop, and missed lunch.
2013-12-30 12:10:29 PM
1 votes:

ElLoco: Egoy3k: isn't really as black and white as the Civil War

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Ha. Oops. I honestly didn't see that until you posted it.
2013-12-30 12:04:29 PM
1 votes:

hardinparamedic: Very few wars the United States has ever been involved in can be justified. In fact, the only ones I can think of are the Revolutionary War, and the Civil War.

World War II could be, aptly, described as a war against evil knowing what we know now.

Sadly, and most terrifying of all, is now we know how close the United States came to being like Hitler's Germany in the years before Pearl Harbor. We ate up his promotion of the theories of racial eugenics, the sterilization and sequestration of the mentally ill*, and even came close to implementing Germany's policies on euthanasia.


I wouldn't be so sure of that one either.  I'm not saying it's bad that you guys became a country, it's not, but I the majority of European colonies throughout the world gained independence without bloodshed.  The motivations of the founding fathers weren't as pure as many Americans like to think, and the grievances they held against colonial rules were at best exaggerated.  I'm not trying to be inflammatory though please understand that same can be said of many historical events as told by the victors and the end result was probably worth the cost.  I'm only saying that the revolutionary war isn't really as black and white as the Civil War or WWII
 
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