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(BBC)   Soon, the sound of the rabbi plucking his six string will no longer roll across the Delta, the synagogues will close, and the South will be the way you thought it always was   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 37
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2013-12-30 10:16:35 AM
no more smelling those shrimp tails beginning to boil?
 
2013-12-30 10:21:34 AM
This has been going on for some time.

My college roommate ultimately went on to be a rabbi (we did our undergrads from '88-'92).  Well before he entered rabbinical studies he used to go down to Arkansas during the High Holy Days to help conduct services because they didn't have many rabbis left.
 
2013-12-30 11:10:01 AM
You silly rabbi! The sticks are for hicks!
 
2013-12-30 11:20:48 AM
There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.
 
2013-12-30 11:36:03 AM
Jews came to the Delta attracted by its wealth - they became the middlemen, serving both those who drew gold from the rich land, and those that had to pull it out of the soil. They became the merchants, selling clothes and groceries and medicines and cloth.

Isn't that racist?

In any case, not shocked to see they came to be middle-men and merchants and not to do any of the real labor.

/Ok, that *was* racist.
 
2013-12-30 11:36:37 AM

Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.


They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.
 
2013-12-30 11:38:24 AM

phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.


Subby doesn't know. Subby doesn't get out of the basement much ..
 
2013-12-30 11:39:23 AM
People grow old and die, or decide to move away from where they grew up. Not a story.

Those people are Jews. STORY! BIG STORY! EVERYBODY LOOKIE HERE, J*E*W*S ARE DYING AND BEING FORCED OUT OF THEIR HOMES! NO NORMAL LOGICAL EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER!!!!
 
2013-12-30 11:41:36 AM
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Are we talking about Alabama Jews or Geo-gia Jews?
 
2013-12-30 11:43:00 AM
Not one of Chosen People, but have friends who are. Enlightened, might say, to read this.  FangQ subby, even if you don't  get out of basement much as Clemkadiddlefark typed to appear above.
 
2013-12-30 11:44:35 AM

phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.


Pretty much the same all across the rural South. Even in some of the larger towns (Columbus, GA, Montgomery) the same thing is happening.  Everyone is going where the money is.
 
2013-12-30 11:46:05 AM
The Jews stayed in that area so long as a "screw you" to General Grant...

/by expelling the Jews from Tennessee, he would've expelled my great-great-great-grandfather, who was fighting for the Union
//he lived in Chattanooga but fought for the Union in a New York regiment
 
2013-12-30 11:49:26 AM
I live in a small town in south Georgia, the synagogue here is only open for a lay-led service once a month and there are 11 members.  All their kids have moved to larger communities, since the opportunities their great-grandparents had are gone.  This is common in several small southern towns I've visited in south Georgia and Alabama.

If I wanted to go to service every week I would have to drive to Dothan (quasi-famous for once offering a "signing bonus" to any Jewish family moving there) or Tallahassee.   Atlanta has a substantial and strong Jewish population - something like 90% of all Jews in Georgia live in the Atlanta metro area.
 
2013-12-30 12:13:56 PM
I am okay with this if it means the end of these guys.

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2013-12-30 12:16:20 PM

Ethertap: I live in a small town in south Georgia, the synagogue here is only open for a lay-led service once a month and there are 11 members.  All their kids have moved to larger communities, since the opportunities their great-grandparents had are gone.  This is common in several small southern towns I've visited in south Georgia and Alabama.

If I wanted to go to service every week I would have to drive to Dothan (quasi-famous for once offering a "signing bonus" to any Jewish family moving there) or Tallahassee.   Atlanta has a substantial and strong Jewish population - something like 90% of all Jews in Georgia live in the Atlanta metro area.


Doesn't 90% of everybody in Georgia live in the Atlanta metro area?

But yes, this is clearly a rural-to-urban migration story, not a South-to-not-South migration story.  Jewish communities are still strong in Memphis and Little Rock, as well the cities already mentioned.
 
2013-12-30 12:18:14 PM
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2013-12-30 12:21:05 PM

phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.


It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.
 
2013-12-30 12:22:42 PM

Ethertap: I live in a small town in south Georgia, the synagogue here is only open for a lay-led service once a month and there are 11 members.  All their kids have moved to larger communities, since the opportunities their great-grandparents had are gone.  This is common in several small southern towns I've visited in south Georgia and Alabama.

If I wanted to go to service every week I would have to drive to Dothan (quasi-famous for once offering a "signing bonus" to any Jewish family moving there) or Tallahassee.   Atlanta has a substantial and strong Jewish population - something like 90% of all Jews in Georgia live in the Atlanta metro area.


1. Aren't all services "lay-led"? There may be a rabbi in attendance, or a full-time cantor (whose credentials are usually choral and voice work, not liturgical studies), but Jewish services are entirely lay-led. (Maybe that's only a common thing among Orthodoxy and some Conservative branches?)
2a. Cities have Jews. Period. It's true of pretty much any and every city in the world, including Dubai and New Delhi. That the far-flung South ever had Jews in significant numbers was interesting enough.
2b. Far-flung areas get hit hard by recessions or economic downturns, and people pull stumps for areas that are doing better (like cities). This is also not a new phenomenon.
Not 2b. Baltimore (yes, the one in MD) was offering signing bonuses for observant, single men moving to the area. With a HUGE Jewish community and one of the biggest cultural centers outside NY (the Ner Yisrael school), you might think they wouldn't need to recruit so hard. Baltimore's apparently got lots of single Jewish ladies.

Google the term "shidduch crisis" if you want a bit of a laugh.
 
2013-12-30 12:51:36 PM

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Uh... am I supposed to just know WTF is going on in this pic? Did I miss some context in the article? By not knowing why the hell these women are wearing boat, laundry, etc hats does that make me an anti-semite? Because... yanno... I wouldn't want to be one of those.
 
2013-12-30 12:54:27 PM
Andy Statman  (not a rabbi, but very religious). Check out his mandolin playing.
 
2013-12-30 12:56:07 PM
TFA didn't specify where the children went but I think I know where.

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2013-12-30 12:58:05 PM

Nabb1: phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.

It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.


The same is true of the Midwest. We went out to rural Missouri to bury my father in law in the family plot. Almost every one of her family members left in the area was over 50. Only one person out of the 15 or so in my wife's generation decided to stay and make a life out of farming.
 
2013-12-30 01:08:26 PM

Nabb1: phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.

It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.


I was born in the Delta, and have lived in MS for most of my life, other than a few years in Arkansas and Tennessee.

Nabb1 has it right. It's not just the Jews leaving. It's everyone that can. This isn't really even a noteworthy story; it' s the logical outcome of demographic and economic changes.
 
2013-12-30 01:29:28 PM

Goodluckfox: Nabb1: phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.

It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.

I was born in the Delta, and have lived in MS for most of my life, other than a few years in Arkansas and Tennessee.

Nabb1 has it right. It's not just the Jews leaving. It's everyone that can. This isn't really even a noteworthy story; it' s the logical outcome of demographic and economic changes.


Count me as one -- although I stayed in the South, didn't go back to the my small home town on the edge of the Delta. I always say that Mississippi is a good place to be from. But I have a bookcase full of books on Mississippi. It's an interesting place, more diverse than people think. We always said that every town (at least those in the Delta) had a Chinese grocery, a Lebanese furniture store and a Jewish clothing store. I just can't live there.
 
2013-12-30 01:35:21 PM
Great short article about the history of Jews in the south.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1401699/posts

My hometown, in the south, had three Jewish-owned, family named, large department stores.  These stores, opened since just before/after the turn of the last century, all closed in the 1990's.

Pretty sad actually.
 
2013-12-30 01:35:54 PM
I thought this was going to be another article about that rabbi who cut that kid's penis off.
 
2013-12-30 01:40:34 PM

yellowcat: Goodluckfox: Nabb1: phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.

It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.

I was born in the Delta, and have lived in MS for most of my life, other than a few years in Arkansas and Tennessee.

Nabb1 has it right. It's not just the Jews leaving. It's everyone that can. This isn't really even a noteworthy story; it' s the logical outcome of demographic and economic changes.

Count me as one -- although I stayed in the South, didn't go back to the my small home town on the edge of the Delta. I always say that Mississippi is a good place to be from. But I have a bookcase full of books on Mississippi. It's an interesting place, more diverse than people think. We always said that every town (at least those in the Delta) had a Chinese grocery, a Lebanese furniture store and a Jewish clothing store. I just can't live there.


My wife is a radiologist and recruiters often send her offers of ungodly sums to ho practice in the hinterlands somewhere, but the lifestyle change from being in a major metropolitan area just isn't worth it to us.
 
2013-12-30 01:41:24 PM
Well Altanta's Jewish community is booming and growing as well Raleigh, Charleston, Houston and other places in the south. All it is one small area in the mississippi delta that was always small and dying out The people there are moving into georgia and other southern Jewish communities
 
2013-12-30 01:42:56 PM

Nabb1: yellowcat: Goodluckfox: Nabb1: phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.

It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.

I was born in the Delta, and have lived in MS for most of my life, other than a few years in Arkansas and Tennessee.

Nabb1 has it right. It's not just the Jews leaving. It's everyone that can. This isn't really even a noteworthy story; it' s the logical outcome of demographic and economic changes.

Count me as one -- although I stayed in the South, didn't go back to the my small home town on the edge of the Delta. I always say that Mississippi is a good place to be from. But I have a bookcase full of books on Mississippi. It's an interesting place, more diverse than people think. We always said that every town (at least those in the Delta) had a Chinese grocery, a Lebanese furniture store and a Jewish clothing store. I just can't live there.

My wife is a radiologist and recruiters often send her offers of ungodly sums to ho practice in the hinterlands somewhere, but the lifestyle change from being in a major metropolitan area just isn't worth it to us.


I assume the whole other-dudes-farking-her thing is a turnoff too.
 
2013-12-30 02:36:11 PM
The south has always been how I thought it was.
 
2013-12-30 02:57:54 PM

FrancoFile: Nabb1: yellowcat: Goodluckfox: Nabb1: phalamir: Nabb1: There is still a very large, thriving Jewish community in New Orleans, but New Orleans is often a bit different than the rest of the South.

They are talking about the Delta, not the South in general - unless we've redefined "the South" to mean only one part of Mississippi.

It's not just the Mississippi Delta, though. Lots of communities across the South are losing groups as kids move to more metropolitan areas.

I was born in the Delta, and have lived in MS for most of my life, other than a few years in Arkansas and Tennessee.

Nabb1 has it right. It's not just the Jews leaving. It's everyone that can. This isn't really even a noteworthy story; it' s the logical outcome of demographic and economic changes.

Count me as one -- although I stayed in the South, didn't go back to the my small home town on the edge of the Delta. I always say that Mississippi is a good place to be from. But I have a bookcase full of books on Mississippi. It's an interesting place, more diverse than people think. We always said that every town (at least those in the Delta) had a Chinese grocery, a Lebanese furniture store and a Jewish clothing store. I just can't live there.

My wife is a radiologist and recruiters often send her offers of ungodly sums to ho practice in the hinterlands somewhere, but the lifestyle change from being in a major metropolitan area just isn't worth it to us.

I assume the whole other-dudes-farking-her thing is a turnoff too.


I swear to God, my iPad farks with me on purpose.
 
2013-12-30 03:24:47 PM

here to help: [news.bbcimg.co.uk image 624x464]

Uh... am I supposed to just know WTF is going on in this pic? Did I miss some context in the article? By not knowing why the hell these women are wearing boat, laundry, etc hats does that make me an anti-semite? Because... yanno... I wouldn't want to be one of those.


Beach Blanket Babushka?
 
2013-12-30 05:54:56 PM
Nabb1:

My wife is a radiologist and recruiters often send her offers of ungodly sums to ho practice in the hinterlands somewhere, but the lifestyle change from being in a major metropolitan area just isn't worth it to us.

It's CHEAP to live here. Mortgage on a 3/2 2-car garage is 900 a month in a very nice area. NOLA, Memphis, and Birmingham are easy day-trips away. Dalla/Houston aren't much farther. Yes, this place is eat up with Jesus freaks and generational poverty and ignorance. But i wouldn't write off living and working in Mississippi lightly. Do the cost-benefit analysis. How much do you REALLY go out and use the kinds of amenities that only major metro areas posess?

/disclaimer
//I'm trying to get a job in D.C.
///were it not for student loans from law school I'd be living like a king here in MS
 
2013-12-30 06:37:22 PM
Mesiah's in de cold, cold ground.
 
2013-12-30 07:29:27 PM
and ne'er the twain shall we hear "tumbalala tumbalala tumbalalaika"
 
2013-12-30 08:52:19 PM
None of the 3 rabbis I remember here (conservative congregation) played guitars.  A cantor or two did over the years, never during/as part of services.

Strangely, this is the first time in 20 years I've seen cotton being grown around here, and there was lots of it this year.


/ raised jew, born southern
// insists pork is kosher below mason/dixon line if used in BBQ
 
2013-12-31 05:40:50 AM

Schmerd1948: Mesiah's in de cold, cold ground.


Ol' man rabbi
Dat ol' man rabbi...
 
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