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(WCAX Vermont)   On today's episode of Modern Moonshiners, we'll meet a man transporting $44,000 worth of liquor he'd bought in New Hampshire to New York   (wcax.com) divider line 35
    More: Dumbass, New Hampshire, New York, transit police, traffic violations, I-91  
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2013-12-30 08:16:18 AM  
Pulled over for a traffic violation?
The first rule of runnin' shine is don't pull over for the cops.
/as seen on TV
 
2013-12-30 10:40:52 AM  
Looks like Number One Son couldn't make it across the 45th biggest state line.
 
2013-12-30 10:41:38 AM  
Big New Year's party planned...
Really, this is smuggling, not moonshining. Moonshining involves manufacturing, I would think.
 
2013-12-30 10:44:51 AM  
figure,

$44,000/$30/bottle = 1,500 +/- bottles,
12 bottles per case, = 120 cases

A.)  big van
B.)  higher-end booze
C.)  Cop Math
 
2013-12-30 10:45:30 AM  

beezeltown: Big New Year's party planned...
Really, this is smuggling, not moonshining. Moonshining involves manufacturing, I would think.


I'd think it would be bootlegging.
 
2013-12-30 10:47:42 AM  
"Police did not say whether they seized the alcohol. "

"We need to take this down to....er... Evidence. YEAH Evidence.

Tomorrow's Article: "Police Officers found drunk off their ass on seized alcohol."
 
2013-12-30 10:48:31 AM  

TommyDeuce: beezeltown: Big New Year's party planned...
Really, this is smuggling, not moonshining. Moonshining involves manufacturing, I would think.

I'd think it would be bootlegging.


^ This.

/Dictionary subby, how does it work?
 
2013-12-30 10:49:23 AM  
What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?
 
2013-12-30 11:01:54 AM  

vudukungfu: Pulled over for a traffic violation?
The first rule of runnin' shine is don't pull over for the cops.
/as seen on TV


He should have had the Bandit running ahead to distract the cops.
 
2013-12-30 11:03:30 AM  

Headso: What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?


Not if you want to keep your liquor license.  Think of it this way.  If you buy it in state, the wholesaler had to pay the taxes on it.  By bringing it in yourself, you are avoiding the taxes.  Just like if the wholesaler didn't pay them.
 
2013-12-30 11:09:16 AM  

Whatthefark
vudukungfu: Pulled over for a traffic violation?
The first rule of runnin' shine is don't pull over for the cops.
/as seen on TV

He should have had the Bandit running ahead to distract the cops.


I thought maybe they were doing a tryout for a re-boot.
 
2013-12-30 11:56:02 AM  

Headso: What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?


It's a huge no-no.  If you have a liquor license, in almost all states you are required to purchase your stock from a legit in-state distributor.  It's a tax thing.  You are not even allowed to run down to the local package store/ supermarket/ et cetera if you run out.  You HAVE to buy it from a proper channel.

Booze is the most heavily regulated thing in the US short of some drugs.

/father owns a bar
//worked in a shady restaurant
 
2013-12-30 12:05:31 PM  
Police setting up checkpoints outside duty free stores in airports........


Plus the correct term is bootlegging.

Distilling untaxed liquor is moonshining.
 
2013-12-30 12:08:32 PM  

Headso: What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?


There are laws on the books that say if you purchase something in another state and pay less taxes on it then in your home state, you owe your home state the difference in taxes.

Nothing gets in the way of commerce.....errrr taxation.
 
2013-12-30 12:14:14 PM  

Giltric: Headso: What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?

There are laws on the books that say if you purchase something in another state and pay less taxes on it then in your home state, you owe your home state the difference in taxes.

Nothing gets in the way of commerce.....errrr taxation.


Vermont residents are required to pay VT sales tax on items bought in NH (since NH has no sales tax).  Normally there are no checks for it, but if you buy a large ticket item, such as a bed, in NH and have it delivered to VT, the store will put VT sales tax on the item.  On VT tax forms, you can either claim all items bought in NH and pay the tax, or you can pay a low rate on your income (less than 1%... if your income is $40,000 you only pay something like $50).
 
2013-12-30 12:32:10 PM  

Headso: What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?


if you buy products to consume in another state, you are not required to pay the taxes and fees in the state of origin but are required to pay the taxes and fees in the state where you consume it.

ie.  Oregon has no sales tax so lots of people buy large appliances in Oregon then transport them home in Washington a savings of 10% unless the revenue agents catch you.

this used to happen with tobacco and alcohol on the Reservations until the true Americans made a deal, they would charge the taxes and keep them, competing only on price.   Now these folks have to get their booze and tobacco at base exchanges.
 
2013-12-30 12:37:24 PM  

Itstoearly: Vermont residents are required to pay VT sales tax on items bought in NH


I'll play that game when Vermont offers all the flavors that NH does.
Meantime, it's a consumer's market.

Stock Mead in Vermont, and I'll think about paying the tax.
In Vermont.
Make me drive 4 hours to get it and no, no tax for you.
 
2013-12-30 12:55:10 PM  
So you guys in the USoA do not have the right to trade over the state borders without interference?  That's funny - because in Oz we only have two rights specifically written into our constitution, the right to not have some fark interfere with your religion (s.116) and the right to trade between the states without interference.
 
2013-12-30 12:59:52 PM  

Langdon_777: So you guys in the USoA do not have the right to trade over the state borders without interference?  That's funny - because in Oz we only have two rights specifically written into our constitution, the right to not have some fark interfere with your religion (s.116) and the right to trade between the states without interference.


It doesn't stop New Hampshire from placing state liquor stores at every exit from the state.
 
2013-12-30 01:03:00 PM  

Langdon_777: So you guys in the USoA do not have the right to trade over the state borders without interference?  That's funny - because in Oz we only have two rights specifically written into our constitution, the right to not have some fark interfere with your religion (s.116) and the right to trade between the states without interference.


Nope. If you figure out a way to save $$ you can be sure as shiat there is a law or regulation somewhere telling you what you are doing is illegal.

We used to make runs from RI to NH in college as the booze was much cheaper (and we were headed that way anyway)

I guess we were supposed to declare it on our taxes.
 
2013-12-30 01:20:52 PM  

Itstoearly: Giltric: Headso: What if this guy owns a restaurant, you can't buy a product in a neighboring state if it is cheaper?

There are laws on the books that say if you purchase something in another state and pay less taxes on it then in your home state, you owe your home state the difference in taxes.

Nothing gets in the way of commerce.....errrr taxation.

Vermont residents are required to pay VT sales tax on items bought in NH (since NH has no sales tax).  Normally there are no checks for it, but if you buy a large ticket item, such as a bed, in NH and have it delivered to VT, the store will put VT sales tax on the item.  On VT tax forms, you can either claim all items bought in NH and pay the tax, or you can pay a low rate on your income (less than 1%... if your income is $40,000 you only pay something like $50).


yeah but in some places even if you go on vacation out of state, and you buy cigarettes, beer and anything else taxable. Law says you owe your state the difference.
 
2013-12-30 01:21:57 PM  

Langdon_777: So you guys in the USoA do not have the right to trade over the state borders without interference?  That's funny - because in Oz we only have two rights specifically written into our constitution, the right to not have some fark interfere with your religion (s.116) and the right to trade between the states without interference.


Commerce Clause.

It can be used to make you buy things you don't want and can be used to prevent you from buying things you want.
 
2013-12-30 01:41:21 PM  
Um free travel between states and the ability to engage in commerce are both constitutionally protected rights. The government has no business telling someone where they can or cannot buy from
 
2013-12-30 02:44:04 PM  

Giltric: Langdon_777: So you guys in the USoA do not have the right to trade over the state borders without interference?  That's funny - because in Oz we only have two rights specifically written into our constitution, the right to not have some fark interfere with your religion (s.116) and the right to trade between the states without interference.

Commerce Clause.

It can be used to make you buy things you don't want and can be used to prevent you from buying things you want.


Well, it has been interpreted that way. Actual meaning and judicial interpretation here in the US being two completely different things.
 
2013-12-30 02:59:41 PM  
well, there goes his new year's eve party.

/bummer
 
2013-12-30 03:01:52 PM  
I get that the guy would have to theoretically pay the taxes which obviously was his plan to avoid all along but the article also mentions the booze price is cheaper outside of the taxes.

Let's say he says "yeah of course I was going to pay the taxes after the fact but the prices themselves are better in NH so I buy my booze there." he's still farked?
 
2013-12-30 03:06:37 PM  

Headso: I get that the guy would have to theoretically pay the taxes which obviously was his plan to avoid all along but the article also mentions the booze price is cheaper outside of the taxes.

Let's say he says "yeah of course I was going to pay the taxes after the fact but the prices themselves are better in NH so I buy my booze there." he's still farked?


You can't buy booze without paying the taxes if your intent is to resell it.  Just like cigarettes (or weed)
 
2013-12-30 03:23:30 PM  
Your accountant is supposed to ask you if you made any purchases out of state and you are supposed to pay those sales taxes when you send in your payment in April. This guy couldn't do that with booze?
 
2013-12-30 03:47:31 PM  

Headso: Your accountant is supposed to ask you if you made any purchases out of state and you are supposed to pay those sales taxes when you send in your payment in April. This guy couldn't do that with booze?


No - he was transporting it across state lines with the intent to distribute it.  You can't do that in NY without proper permits (including a trucking permit).  This is not personal use.  This is a clear violation of tax and transport laws with a clear intent to break the laws.
 
2013-12-30 04:27:23 PM  
These days, on 91 anywhere South of White River Junction there's a lot of Staties sitting around with fark-all to keep them busy.
 
2013-12-30 04:37:06 PM  
^ Otherwise know as the basic pitch for 'Super Troopers'.
 
2013-12-30 05:08:35 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Um free travel between states and the ability to engage in commerce are both constitutionally protected rights. The government has no business telling someone where they can or cannot buy from


Wow, nope. States can and do ban all sorts of out-of-state items from being transported across their borders. The whole point of the alcohol restrictions was to hammer down bootleggers, but there's tons of other stuff that's prohibited from interstate transportation. You can't carry firewood out of Illinois to another state. You can't import live deer into Texas. You can't bring orange trees (or damn near any sort of agricultural product, actually, including lettuce, potatoes, and cotton) into Florida.

The Supreme Court has upheld various restrictions on interstate commerce over the years depending on the purpose of the restriction and whether it is narrowly tailored to achieve that purpose. After the mess that was bootlegging during Prohibition and the Depression, the states have been found to have a vested interest in the restriction of the sale and transport of alcohol. Some states have relaxed the laws, but generally speaking, buy it local or don't buy it is the law of the land.
 
2013-12-30 06:27:48 PM  
So how much CAN we bring across state lines?
 
2013-12-30 06:54:04 PM  

Headso: Your accountant is supposed to ask you if you made any purchases out of state and you are supposed to pay those sales taxes when you send in your payment in April. This guy couldn't do that with booze?


Only if it is for personal use.  There is no way it is for personal use.  By federal law, only two or three distributing companies are allowed to transport beer per state.  One or two for liquor, however wine is more relaxed.

phyrkrakr: The Supreme Court has upheld various restrictions on interstate commerce over the years depending on the purpose of the restriction and whether it is narrowly tailored to achieve that purpose. After the mess that was bootlegging during Prohibition and the Depression, the states have been found to have a vested interest in the restriction of the sale and transport of alcohol. Some states have relaxed the laws, but generally speaking, buy it local or don't buy it is the law of the land.


And why, because money is why.  Prohibition didn't go away, it became a government business.
 
2013-12-30 07:42:43 PM  

lack of warmth: And why, because money is why. Prohibition didn't go away, it became a government business


We used to be able to run this country solely off the revenue from alcohol.
 
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