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2013-12-30 10:52:25 AM
Jezebel?  I don't need advice from a bunch fat chicks.
 
2013-12-30 10:53:14 AM
I hate the vending machine selection at my job but I didn't pack a lunch today and i just remembered that I dropped my car off to get the oil changed this morning. Either I'm gonna be hoofing it to some fast food joint or I'm gonna be eating a bag of chips. Way to be a lazy ass last night and not plan ahead, DRO.
 
2013-12-30 10:53:55 AM
Displayed Calorie Counts:

Expectation: Make people aware of the calories before they eat, so they can make a better decision.

Reality: Makes people feel bad about what they just ate, in turn, can make people eat more to feel better.

/True Story..
 
2013-12-30 10:56:03 AM
You know, that might actually help me.
 
2013-12-30 11:00:34 AM
And some people are going to figure out a way to be mad about this.

DAMN YOU, OBAMA!
 
2013-12-30 11:01:16 AM
Good.
I'm hoping that eventually in my lifetime, I will be held accountable for absolutely nothing.
 
2013-12-30 11:04:00 AM
I don't think I like this. Too nanny state. Next up the cashiers at fast food joints will have to tell you the calorie count before your order is finalized. And after that, your bartender will have to do the same.
 
2013-12-30 11:07:21 AM
This will help me a lot when I decide to lose weight using my All Vending Machine Diet. It's not my fault, because I would like to have a nice piece of broccoli or tofu, but I have to settle for Pop-Tarts.
 
2013-12-30 11:12:13 AM
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2013-12-30 11:15:06 AM

URAPNIS: Good.
I'm hoping that eventually in my lifetime, I will be held accountable for absolutely nothing.


How is this reducing accountability for anything?
 
2013-12-30 11:18:29 AM

Jument: I don't think I like this. Too nanny state. Next up the cashiers at fast food joints will have to tell you the calorie count before your order is finalized. And after that, your bartender will have to do the same.


Oh for fark's sake.

"Why is the government requiring that information be provided to me before I make a purchase? I demand to make less informed decisions!"
 
2013-12-30 11:23:01 AM
Oh so people just don't realize that a bag of chips is high in calories......right......
 
2013-12-30 11:24:25 AM
And when people ignore the calorie numbers, then what? Will the food activists call it a day and go home? If not, I wonder what the next step will be.
 
2013-12-30 11:26:32 AM
Who gives a shiat subby, unlike corporations vending machines are not people so I don't think they will mind if we force them to tell us how many calories are in the food they sell.
 
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2013-12-30 11:27:49 AM

URAPNIS: Good.
I'm hoping that eventually in my lifetime, I will be held accountable for absolutely nothing.


Yes.  Having dietary information available for people who want to read it totally means that people are not taking responsibility for their own decisions.

/I can see where the expression "knee jerk reaction" comes from.
 
2013-12-30 11:28:34 AM

GilRuiz1: And when people ignore the calorie numbers, then what? Will the food activists call it a day and go home? If not, I wonder what the next step will be.


FEMA fat camps
 
2013-12-30 11:29:02 AM

genner: Oh so people just don't realize that a bag of chips is high in calories......right......


This is really not that hard of a concept. Some people are into the counting calories / carbs / sodium / etc. thing, right? So before they buy something, they'd like to see the whatever before they buy it. Maybe compare two brands of chips, see which one has more or less of whatever. But they can't do that if the bag is in the vending machine. So this allows the calorie-counting people to be able to make an informed decision before they buy something.

If you don't give a shiat about the contents of what you're about to buy from the vending machine, then just don't bother to read the goddamn sign.
 
2013-12-30 11:29:19 AM

Lando Lincoln: Jument: I don't think I like this. Too nanny state. Next up the cashiers at fast food joints will have to tell you the calorie count before your order is finalized. And after that, your bartender will have to do the same.

Oh for fark's sake.

"Why is the government requiring that information be provided to me before I make a purchase? I demand to make less informed decisions!"


Well, he's got a point.  The government is into way too much stuff that, frankly, we don't need or want to pay for.  (Our taxes pay for the bureaucracy, regulation and enforcement, and the vendors will have to implement it and raise prices as a result.)

That said, I don't have a conceptual problem with vendors, restaurants, pubs, etc being required to tell me the ingredients of stuff they have for sale.  Strikes me as a good idea.  People with allergies etc. as well as those watching out for general health reasons.

My issue is, if it's ok for the government to over-regulate vending machines for fark's sake, then it must be okay for them to over-regulate a zillion other parts of our lives.  And that is clearly idiotic and will cause society to collapse under weight of the government.  We're already halfway there.
 
2013-12-30 11:33:26 AM

Lando Lincoln: genner: Oh so people just don't realize that a bag of chips is high in calories......right......

This is really not that hard of a concept. Some people are into the counting calories / carbs / sodium / etc. thing, right? So before they buy something, they'd like to see the whatever before they buy it. Maybe compare two brands of chips, see which one has more or less of whatever. But they can't do that if the bag is in the vending machine. So this allows the calorie-counting people to be able to make an informed decision before they buy something.

If you don't give a shiat about the contents of what you're about to buy from the vending machine, then just don't bother to read the goddamn sign.



But I can see it. Therefore, I am being oppressed.

/I guess that's where they're going
 
2013-12-30 11:37:18 AM
American obesity has risen significantly since we started labeling foods.
What the hell is up with that?
 
2013-12-30 11:37:44 AM
The right wing in this country is farked, they have sunk to the point where they are kneejerking at nutrition information being visible for people to read. That should be a wake up call as far as how farking idiotic you are.
 
2013-12-30 11:39:01 AM

Lando Lincoln: genner: Oh so people just don't realize that a bag of chips is high in calories......right......

This is really not that hard of a concept. Some people are into the counting calories / carbs / sodium / etc. thing, right? So before they buy something, they'd like to see the whatever before they buy it. Maybe compare two brands of chips, see which one has more or less of whatever. But they can't do that if the bag is in the vending machine. So this allows the calorie-counting people to be able to make an informed decision before they buy something.

If you don't give a shiat about the contents of what you're about to buy from the vending machine, then just don't bother to read the goddamn sign.


You should start a vending machine company that offers this.  All the calorie counting people who live off of vending machine food will make you RICH!
 
2013-12-30 11:39:07 AM
OK subby, let's ask Chuck Norris how he feels about your headline.
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Good call, Chuck!  I'll let someone else disagree... if they dare.
 
2013-12-30 11:41:24 AM

Headso: The right wing in this country is farked, they have sunk to the point where they are kneejerking at nutrition information being visible for people to read. That should be a wake up call as far as how farking idiotic you are.


Are people really so damn lazy they can't look on the back of the package they just opened and read the calories?
 
2013-12-30 11:41:46 AM
Because, I'm not adult to make my own decisions ..
 
2013-12-30 11:41:48 AM

Wodan11: My issue is, if it's ok for the government to over-regulate vending machines for fark's sake, then it must be okay for them to over-regulate a zillion other parts of our lives.  And that is clearly idiotic and will cause society to collapse under weight of the government.  We're already halfway there.


Really? This is a prime example of "over-regulation?" Forcing vending machine companies to post a sign about the nutritional info about the foods contained therein? This is moving us towards a path of governmental collapse?
 
2013-12-30 11:42:26 AM

Lando Lincoln: Jument: I don't think I like this. Too nanny state. Next up the cashiers at fast food joints will have to tell you the calorie count before your order is finalized. And after that, your bartender will have to do the same.

Oh for fark's sake.

"Why is the government requiring that information be provided to me before I make a purchase? I demand to make less informed decisions!"


Oh, come on.  The cost to retool every vending machine in the US is going to be huge ($25 million according to the article) and then cost another $25 million a year on top of that in maintenance.  A lot of vending machines don't get a lot of traffic as it is.  It's not going to be worth it to keep them.

If you're worried about the extra calories in a bag of Cheetos, don't buy the Cheetos or look it up online.

This is not rocket science.  Why don't they label the calorie counts on the apples I buy in a grocery store?  Different varieties of apples probably have different calorie counts too.

At some point people have to take responsibility for themselves.

Studies have shown that in restaurants where calorie counts are required to be shown, most people don't pay attention to them anyway.
 
2013-12-30 11:44:19 AM

roddack: Headso: The right wing in this country is farked, they have sunk to the point where they are kneejerking at nutrition information being visible for people to read. That should be a wake up call as far as how farking idiotic you are.

Are people really so damn lazy they can't look on the back of the package they just opened and read the calories?


You can't understand why you want that information before purchase? That should be another wake up call...
 
2013-12-30 11:44:34 AM

FoxEWolf: Displayed Calorie Counts:

Expectation: Make people aware of the calories before they eat, so they can make a better decision.

Reality: Makes people feel bad about what they just ate, in turn, can make people eat more to feel better.

/True Story..


While possibly true, that's borderline mental illness, and people seeking to be informed shouldn't be restricted because some jackass indulges their self-loathing over weight with more food.

Movie theaters around here have to show their calorie counts. The numbers are staggering, but forcing ignorance because some people don't want to know the truth is not OK.

Packages in vending machines already have calorie counts. Just load them backwards and you're already in compliance.

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2013-12-30 11:44:40 AM

Lando Lincoln: genner: Oh so people just don't realize that a bag of chips is high in calories......right......

This is really not that hard of a concept. Some people are into the counting calories / carbs / sodium / etc. thing, right? So before they buy something, they'd like to see the whatever before they buy it. Maybe compare two brands of chips, see which one has more or less of whatever. But they can't do that if the bag is in the vending machine. So this allows the calorie-counting people to be able to make an informed decision before they buy something.

If you don't give a shiat about the contents of what you're about to buy from the vending machine, then just don't bother to read the goddamn sign.


An informed decision will tell you can't eat healthy from a vending machine.
People who count calories already know this so the majority of the people who will see the information won't care.
All this will do is make it harder to run a vending machine business by driving up the cost of the machines and making the owners enter all the calorie info making it more difficult to alternate items with each refill.
 
2013-12-30 11:45:12 AM

roddack: Headso: The right wing in this country is farked, they have sunk to the point where they are kneejerking at nutrition information being visible for people to read. That should be a wake up call as far as how farking idiotic you are.

Are people really so damn lazy they can't look on the back of the package they just opened and read the calories?


Some people want to know the nutritional info BEFORE they buy something. And they can't do that if the thing they're buying is in the machine.

That's all. It's not some conspiracy to inspire people to eat better, or to fat-shame anybody.
 
2013-12-30 11:45:28 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Because, I'm not adult to make my own decisions ..


How does this make any decisions for you?
 
2013-12-30 11:48:36 AM

gfid: Oh, come on.  The cost to retool every vending machine in the US is going to be huge ($25 million according to the article) and then cost another $25 million a year on top of that in maintenance.  A lot of vending machines don't get a lot of traffic as it is.  It's not going to be worth it to keep them.


Yeah, no. Posting a sign on or near the vending machine is not going to drastically cut into vending machine profits.
 
2013-12-30 11:48:51 AM

FoxEWolf: Displayed Calorie Counts:

Expectation: Make people aware of the calories before they eat, so they can make a better decision.

Reality: Makes people feel bad about what they just ate, in turn, can make people eat more to feel better.

/True Story..


Calorie counts is just an easy way for me to know if I'm getting enough calories.

I don't understand overeating at all. I struggle to eat enough these days.
 
2013-12-30 11:50:00 AM

Lando Lincoln: Jument: I don't think I like this. Too nanny state. Next up the cashiers at fast food joints will have to tell you the calorie count before your order is finalized. And after that, your bartender will have to do the same.

Oh for fark's sake.

"Why is the government requiring that information be provided to me before I make a purchase? I demand to make less informed decisions!"


Why stop at calorie information? Excess fat and sodium are both bad for you. One could argue that preservatives, dyes, etc. are also nutritionally negative. So let's require all vending machine manufacturers to retool their machines to scroll through the entire list of ingredients for each item with some health information for each one before you can make a purchase. Informed decisions, right?

Note: We have calorie and nutritional information on bottled water in the name of making more informed decisions. Brilliant.
 
2013-12-30 11:50:05 AM
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how come the calorie counts vary by 1000 calories? what's even the point if they allow that kind of margin
 
2013-12-30 11:52:53 AM

genner: An informed decision will tell you can't eat healthy from a vending machine.


This is not a campaign to "eat healthy." This is a campaign to inform people about nutritional info before they buy something. FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY WANT THAT INFO BEFORE THEY BUY SOMETHING.

Weight Watchers people buy stuff from vending machines, as long as they have the points. But it's helpful for them to know ahead of time.
 
2013-12-30 11:54:00 AM
That is a relief.

I always thought the 10 candy bars & greasy chips bags I ate out of the machine every day were healthy for me. This just might save my life.
 
2013-12-30 11:54:01 AM

Jument: So let's require all vending machine manufacturers to retool their machines to scroll through the entire list of ingredients for each item with some health information for each one before you can make a purchase. Informed decisions, right?


The packages in the vending machines are ALREADY labeled with nutrition information.

I just saved $25 million dollars for the vending machine industry. I'll take my Internet Dollars in cash please.

Be outraged about something else.
 
2013-12-30 11:54:29 AM
Do you get to input your initials if you set a new high score?
 
2013-12-30 11:55:36 AM

Jument: Why stop at calorie information? Excess fat and sodium are both bad for you. One could argue that preservatives, dyes, etc. are also nutritionally negative. So let's require all vending machine manufacturers to retool their machines to scroll through the entire list of ingredients for each item with some health information for each one before you can make a purchase. Informed decisions, right?


 Just having the calorie count info is what is known as a "compromise". I'm sure very health conscious people would want all that info on there and on the other end you have the vending machine company owners and apparently the Sarah Palin types in this thread.
 
2013-12-30 11:57:02 AM

Jument: Why stop at calorie information?


Why stop at reasoned debate? Why not delve into something unrelated to what we're talking about in an effort to convince people that the thing we're actually talking about is absurd since the new thing we're talking about is absurd?
 
2013-12-30 11:57:09 AM

Lando Lincoln: genner: Oh so people just don't realize that a bag of chips is high in calories......right......

This is really not that hard of a concept. Some people are into the counting calories / carbs / sodium / etc. thing, right? So before they buy something, they'd like to see the whatever before they buy it. Maybe compare two brands of chips, see which one has more or less of whatever. But they can't do that if the bag is in the vending machine. So this allows the calorie-counting people to be able to make an informed decision before they buy something.

If you don't give a shiat about the contents of what you're about to buy from the vending machine, then just don't bother to read the goddamn sign.


A solution here: the vending machine operators could just put the products in with nutritional info facing out... problem solved ;)
 
2013-12-30 11:57:36 AM

Lando Lincoln: Really? This is a prime example of "over-regulation?" Forcing vending machine companies to post a sign about the nutritional info about the foods contained therein? This is moving us towards a path of governmental collapse?


I didn't say it was a prime example.  It's certainly an example.

If the market wants to make informed, healthy choices, then people will spend their money at places that provide the information.  Places that don't will get less business.  Why does the government need to force this burden upon the economy?  Yeah, it doesn't.  Pretty clear example of over regulation.
 
2013-12-30 11:58:21 AM

Lando Lincoln: genner: An informed decision will tell you can't eat healthy from a vending machine.

This is not a campaign to "eat healthy." This is a campaign to inform people about nutritional info before they buy something.


If your not going to use that info to eat healthy then whats the point?
 
2013-12-30 12:01:14 PM

Headso: Jument: Why stop at calorie information? Excess fat and sodium are both bad for you. One could argue that preservatives, dyes, etc. are also nutritionally negative. So let's require all vending machine manufacturers to retool their machines to scroll through the entire list of ingredients for each item with some health information for each one before you can make a purchase. Informed decisions, right?

 Just having the calorie count info is what is known as a "compromise". I'm sure very health conscious people would want all that info on there and on the other end you have the vending machine company owners and apparently the Sarah Palin types in this thread.


I find it odd that you've jumped to the position that vending machines should display calorie information and are so negative on any opposing view. Personally I just don't see the point. Anyone stupid/ignorant enough to need calorie count information from a vending machine before they make a purchase is either going to ignore it or not understand what it means. This seems like a punitive tax on vending machine owners.

If this proposal makes sense then the same could/should go for any food purchase in any venue. Why bother with any of this? The information is already out there and is readily available to anyone who cares to view it. Putting it in your face won't help. People are fat because they just don't care.
 
2013-12-30 12:02:57 PM

Jument: Headso: Jument: Why stop at calorie information? Excess fat and sodium are both bad for you. One could argue that preservatives, dyes, etc. are also nutritionally negative. So let's require all vending machine manufacturers to retool their machines to scroll through the entire list of ingredients for each item with some health information for each one before you can make a purchase. Informed decisions, right?

 Just having the calorie count info is what is known as a "compromise". I'm sure very health conscious people would want all that info on there and on the other end you have the vending machine company owners and apparently the Sarah Palin types in this thread.

I find it odd that you've jumped to the position that vending machines should display calorie information and are so negative on any opposing view. Personally I just don't see the point. Anyone stupid/ignorant enough to need calorie count information from a vending machine before they make a purchase is either going to ignore it or not understand what it means. This seems like a punitive tax on vending machine owners.

If this proposal makes sense then the same could/should go for any food purchase in any venue. Why bother with any of this? The information is already out there and is readily available to anyone who cares to view it. Putting it in your face won't help. People are fat because they just don't care.


Agreed.

The potential good is vastly outweighed by the cost, and even that is assuming that people will use the information wisely.
 
2013-12-30 12:05:42 PM

genner: Lando Lincoln: genner: An informed decision will tell you can't eat healthy from a vending machine.

This is not a campaign to "eat healthy." This is a campaign to inform people about nutritional info before they buy something.

If your not going to use that info to eat healthy then whats the point?


FYI, not all vending machines are loaded with garbage. I can make a choice between the granola bar or special-K bar over the Pop Tarts.  I can choose fruit snacks or perhaps baked potato chips depending on what I feel like.

This is a campaign in support of making an informed purchase. Not limited only to people watching calories, but also people who have sodium and sugar-based concerns about their diet.

There is no requirement that you can only put candy bars in a vending machine.
 
2013-12-30 12:06:22 PM

Pangea: Movie theaters around here have to show their calorie counts. The numbers are staggering, but forcing ignorance because some people don't want to know the truth is not OK.


Nobody is arguing that they shouldn't be allowed to show calorie information.

When I look at the selections offered in a movie theater or a fast food restaurant I already know there are A LOT of calories in them.
 
2013-12-30 12:09:12 PM

genner: Lando Lincoln: genner: An informed decision will tell you can't eat healthy from a vending machine.

This is not a campaign to "eat healthy." This is a campaign to inform people about nutritional info before they buy something.

If your not going to use that info to eat healthy then whats the point?


The point is to give SOME people info that they'd like BEFORE they buy something. Not all people want this info. But some do.

Wodan11: I didn't say it was a prime example.  It's certainly an example.


It's a really poor example. But yes, it IS an example.

People arguing against this either work for the junk food industry OR have never kept a food diary before.
 
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