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2013-12-30 10:04:56 AM
This is not going to go anywhere.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8764527_texas-parental-liability-actions-ch il dren.html

Civil Law
Parents may be held responsible for damage their children do. With respect to property damage, Texas law provides that parents are liable only to a limited extent, however legal responsibility is restricted to situations in which the child's negligent, or careless conduct can be reasonably attributed to the parent's failure to control the child. For children between 10 and 18, where their conduct is willful and malicious, parents are liable for damages up to $25,000 per occurrence, in addition to court costs and reasonable attorney's fees.
 
2013-12-30 10:12:55 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: For children between 10 and 18, where their conduct is willful and malicious, parents are liable for damages up to $25,000 per occurrence,


Man. They should be able to serve a life sentence. And forfeit 100% of all assets in my book.
You breed 'em, you're responsible for their impact on society until they are legally an adult.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-30 10:39:38 AM
The car probably had a decent insurance policy. The plaintiffs can divide a $1 million policy limit offer, or they can get a judgment for infinity, collect policy limits, and force the driver to live off a trust fund for life instead of working. A "spendthrift trust," one where the beneficiary doesn't make spending decisions, can not normally be taken by creditors.

A complicating factor is medical costs. This isn't a situation where lawyers will ask for the moon and take whatever they can get easily. Policy limits divided by half a dozen claimaints will not pay for long term around the clock care. But unless the parents are legally responsible, there's no more money to be had.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-12-30 10:41:34 AM
One more comment: In America bankruptcy does not protect you from creditors if you were convicted of DUI. If he had been texting he would have an escape route.
 
2013-12-30 11:15:39 AM

ZAZ: One more comment: In America bankruptcy does not protect you from creditors if you were convicted of DUI. If he had been texting he would have an escape route.


It's not just DUI, you could have an adversarial hearing for pretty much anything, but of course you have to convince the judge why the debt should not be discharged.  If there's a specific law about DUI's then that's that, but there are plenty of other things that might derail such a thing.
 
2013-12-30 11:26:52 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: This is not going to go anywhere.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8764527_texas-parental-liability-actions-ch il dren.html

Civil Law
Parents may be held responsible for damage their children do. With respect to property damage, Texas law provides that parents are liable only to a limited extent, however legal responsibility is restricted to situations in which the child's negligent, or careless conduct can be reasonably attributed to the parent's failure to control the child. For children between 10 and 18, where their conduct is willful and malicious, parents are liable for damages up to $25,000 per occurrence, in addition to court costs and reasonable attorney's fees.


You forget the boy was driving Daddy's company truck. That makes his company liable as well.
 
2013-12-30 11:30:52 AM

SecretAgentWoman: Because People in power are Stupid: This is not going to go anywhere.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8764527_texas-parental-liability-actions-ch il dren.html

Civil Law
Parents may be held responsible for damage their children do. With respect to property damage, Texas law provides that parents are liable only to a limited extent, however legal responsibility is restricted to situations in which the child's negligent, or careless conduct can be reasonably attributed to the parent's failure to control the child. For children between 10 and 18, where their conduct is willful and malicious, parents are liable for damages up to $25,000 per occurrence, in addition to court costs and reasonable attorney's fees.

You forget the boy was driving Daddy's company truck. That makes his company liable as well.


I didn't know that. That does change things as now it's not the Parents getting sued instead -it's the company. There is a problem with bankruptcy protection then.
 
2013-12-30 11:38:16 AM
If they take enough money so that the parents can't pay the $450K for the rehab program that they agreed to in the court deal... would that void said deal?
 
2013-12-30 11:41:03 AM
In Texas? Good luck with that.
 
2013-12-30 11:42:18 AM
If the parents just tactfully let the kid be killed in a duel, and pay blood money to the families of the victims, that SHOULD be the end of it.

The vikings had this legal thing sorted.
 
2013-12-30 11:42:31 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: This is not going to go anywhere.http://www.ehow.com/info_8764527_texas-parental-liability-act ions-ch il dren.html



That's for property damage, do personal injuries fall under that heading?
 
2013-12-30 11:44:38 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: I didn't know that. That does change things as now it's not the Parents getting sued instead -it's the company. There is a problem with bankruptcy protection then.


And given that the truck was being used by a non-employee illegally intoxicated, odds are the insurance policy will refuse to cover any judgement.
 
2013-12-30 11:47:11 AM
I would hope some slime-ball lawyer could find a way to argue and successfully link the criminal defense of affluenza which the idiot parents were responsible for, and therefore making them DIRECTLY responsible for the events that  occurred and therefore they could be held civilly liable for whatever a jury might award the living victims. In other words, every fricken nickle.
 
2013-12-30 11:49:06 AM
How bout someone waits a couple years and then puts a round through his skull?

Revenge is a dish best served cold....
 
2013-12-30 11:49:22 AM
SecretAgentWoman:

You forget the boy was driving Daddy's company truck. That makes his company liable as well.

I hope the families destroy that company.

/wouldn't mind seeing the spoiled little alcoholic decide his life isn't worth living and ending it all, but that would be too much to hope for.
//Yes, I know exactly what I said.  No, I will not feel any remorse if the kid delivers.  I used my sympathy up on his victims.
 
2013-12-30 11:49:22 AM
Doesn't the whole "affluenza" thing pretty much state it's the parents' fault the kid doesn't have any concept of personal responsibility? If the parents are not deemed to be responsible, then the kid should be in prison for 4 murders.

/FTFM
//killing somebody while driving drunk should be murder
 
2013-12-30 11:49:29 AM
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2013-12-30 11:50:43 AM

Richelieu: Doesn't the whole "affluenza" thing pretty much state it's the parents' fault the kid doesn't have any concept of personal responsibility? If the parents are not deemed to be responsible, then the kid should be in prison for 4 murders.

/FTFM
//killing somebody while driving drunk should be murder


If the parents are responsible, shouldn't they be facing the murder charge?
/I'm OK with this.
 
2013-12-30 11:50:50 AM

Brick-House: I would hope some slime-ball lawyer could find a way to argue and successfully link the criminal defense of affluenza which the idiot parents were responsible for, and therefore making them DIRECTLY responsible for the events that  occurred and therefore they could be held civilly liable for whatever a jury might award the living victims. In other words, every fricken nickle.


If I was a lawyer I would represent the kid in the article....and it would be the shiattiest defense I ever mustered.
 
2013-12-30 11:50:52 AM

vudukungfu: Because People in power are Stupid: For children between 10 and 18, where their conduct is willful and malicious, parents are liable for damages up to $25,000 per occurrence,

Man. They should be able to serve a life sentence. And forfeit 100% of all assets in my book.
You breed 'em, you're responsible for their impact on society until they are legally an adult.



We had a civics teacher in school who said that technically parents could be arrested for kids under 18 who skipped school.
 
2013-12-30 11:50:58 AM
I wouldn't worry to much. This little pile of human waist will screw up again. Hopefully end up before a judge that not a complete idiot. And get a few years in PMTA prison.
 
2013-12-30 11:52:51 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: I didn't know that. That does change things as now it's not the Parents getting sued instead -it's the company. There is a problem with bankruptcy protection then.


arguably.  liability for drunk driving is not dischargeable through bankruptcy... it depends on how the company's liability/debt for the kid's act is characterized.  would be an interesting legal case, maybe.  at least it raises some interesting arguments about classifying the nature of a debt.
 
2013-12-30 11:53:08 AM

TheManMythLegend: We had a civics teacher in school who said that technically parents could be arrested for kids under 18 who skipped school.


Citation
 
2013-12-30 11:53:47 AM
If that had been my family,
I'd have hunted that arrogant piece of shiat down
and slit his f-ing throat.
 
2013-12-30 11:54:25 AM
People are still trying to push this "affluenza" thing?
 
2013-12-30 11:55:13 AM
I got a DUI for sitting in my car when my roommates were fighting. I was extremely drunk. They started brawling. I said "f*ck this" and went to my car to wait it out. Not driving. Sitting. Someone called the cops on my roommates. The first thing they saw when they arrived was me in my car. BAM. DUI. I had to go to classes, pay thousands of dollars and $1000 a year for 5 years, breathalyzer every morning before 9am for 6 months ($5 a pop, every day), drug tests, etc.

...my point is this whole "buy your way out" bullshiat pisses me off to no end. It's sick.
 
2013-12-30 11:59:09 AM
Richelieu:
//killing somebody while driving drunk should be murder

What's the choice of weapon got to do with it?
 
2013-12-30 12:01:52 PM
The ugly little spud should be in PMITA prison right now.

If it wasn't a car-- if it was, say, a machete he was swinging around, leading to him drunkenly lobbing the heads off of half a dozen people-- He would be in prison.

If it was a gun he fired into a group of people while drunk, he would be in prison.

It he drunkenly pushed all these people off the roof of a skyscraper, he would be in prison.

If the Jigsaw killer from SAW were real, I wouldn't feel one ounce of pity for this kid if he found himself in one of John's better traps. Fark him. The lives he destroyed cannot be repaired with money, and he does not deserve to have a life of wealth and freedom after taking everything away from these other families. He's a monster.
 
2013-12-30 12:02:04 PM

GrendelMk1: Richelieu:
//killing somebody while driving drunk should be murder

What's the choice of weapon got to do with it?


My point exactly. In all other cases, when your illegal actions result in somebody dying, you are guilty of murder. But not if the illegal action in question is DUI.
 
2013-12-30 12:02:12 PM
Take your money.

Hire a very good private investigator.

Nail the entire family's balls to the wall for everything else shiatty they've ever done.
 
2013-12-30 12:05:15 PM
It may not be prison, but he can't leave, can he? Why not have the victim's families pool their money, and hire someone else at the rehab facility to beat the kid's ass on a daily basis? And a little ass-rape too, for good measure. Make it really feel like the real-deal prison experience...
 
2013-12-30 12:06:20 PM

Giltric: Revenge is a dish best served cold....


It's really not.

It's best served WELL. If Cuchulain is avenging your death before your blood was cold on the earth, as was his boast, that's 10,000% cooler than the Count of Monte Cristo's little plot, which was actually kind of a puss move in real life and was foiled by a pocket knife in his chest.

The problem with revenge is you have to know whom, why, and then cook up a pretty good how. It has to send a message, not just redress a wrong, or you'll wind up like Gilsi and be hunted as a murderer by people who should know better but are honor bound. That's why the 47 Ronin are so freakin' awesome. When they killed the bastard, they did it with the same knife their master used, marched through Tokyo in a triumph, and told everyone they passed what they did and why. Then they took their sentences like men. farkING AWESOME. So they get a pass.

But consider. What if, in the year they bided and pretended to be drunks, their target had died of illness or been cut down by someone else? What if he'd fallen off a horse and died in the mud the DAY before they went to move on his house? They'd be forgotten losers, most likely becoming the drunks and whoremongers they pretended to be. Honor gone like their legacy. Poof.

That's why you don't wait longer than needed. If you can avenge someone properly on the spot, it's world's classier than any scheme. Heck, even trying and failing is more admirable than waiting, usually. Most Shakespearean tragedies involve waiting. Hamlet could have lived. Instead everyone dies because he lacked the Danish meatballs to take proper vengeance.
 
2013-12-30 12:08:08 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: It may not be prison, but he can't leave, can he? Why not have the victim's families pool their money, and hire someone else at the rehab facility to beat the kid's ass on a daily basis? And a little ass-rape too, for good measure. Make it really feel like the real-deal prison experience...


Rich people rehab facilities are considerably more secure and less rapey than the traditional inpatient facility you or I would be sent to.
 
2013-12-30 12:10:02 PM

radarlove: Sin_City_Superhero: It may not be prison, but he can't leave, can he? Why not have the victim's families pool their money, and hire someone else at the rehab facility to beat the kid's ass on a daily basis? And a little ass-rape too, for good measure. Make it really feel like the real-deal prison experience...

Rich people rehab facilities are considerably more secure and less rapey than the traditional inpatient facility you or I would be sent to.


But you can make a mimi or lulu our of a rubber glove and some warm water. And, if you're Jayson Mewes, talk the nurse into a little "occupational therapy"
 
2013-12-30 12:11:09 PM
It's Texas. Just shoot the judge.
 
2013-12-30 12:11:12 PM
In this thread, we see people who are little removed from Hammurabi's Code.

/For its time it was remarkable that punishments should be -limited- to like damages, and not an iota more
 
2013-12-30 12:12:19 PM
Apos' 2014 Wish List:

1. Good health for all and sundry

2. Bigger commission checks

3. The disappearance of a certain bespectacled Alaskan AW

4. A global ban on the juxtaposition of the words "duck" and "dynasty"

5. The elimination of the term "affluenza"

6. World Peace!
 
2013-12-30 12:14:12 PM

megarian: I got a DUI for sitting in my car when my roommates were fighting. I was extremely drunk. They started brawling. I said "f*ck this" and went to my car to wait it out. Not driving. Sitting. Someone called the cops on my roommates. The first thing they saw when they arrived was me in my car. BAM. DUI. I had to go to classes, pay thousands of dollars and $1000 a year for 5 years, breathalyzer every morning before 9am for 6 months ($5 a pop, every day), drug tests, etc.

...my point is this whole "buy your way out" bullshiat pisses me off to no end. It's sick.


I sincerely hope you made your roommates' lives hell after that.
 
2013-12-30 12:17:35 PM
genepool lifeboat:

I sincerely hope you made your roommates' lives hell after that.

Oh hell yeah.

I was a bartender at their favorite bar. Their lives were never the same.
 
2013-12-30 12:18:29 PM

vudukungfu: TheManMythLegend: We had a civics teacher in school who said that technically parents could be arrested for kids under 18 who skipped school.

Citation


He was a lawyer and dealt with family law,  He said in the act of signing up a kid for school you are taking certain responsibilty,  Even though it is technically possible to hold parents accountable it opens up a can of worms that may not be desirable.

If parents are held that accountable then it also starts to make parental notification of abortion or they may just not even sigh their kids up for school.

But he was also kind of a douche of a teacher so he could have just been blowing smoke.
 
2013-12-30 12:18:35 PM
Affluenza?  Is being rich and powerful a disease?

I mean, I know it's a plague, but this sounds medical.
 
2013-12-30 12:19:00 PM

Brick-House: I would hope some slime-ball lawyer could find a way to argue and successfully link the criminal defense of affluenza which the idiot parents were responsible for, and therefore making them DIRECTLY responsible for the events that  occurred and therefore they could be held civilly liable for whatever a jury might award the living victims. In other words, every fricken nickle.


That's my point too, except i wouldn't term any lawyer who does it a slime-ball. Either this kid was raised with "affluenza" and caught it from his parents, or he earned a lot of money himself causing the said "condition". If their defense was to live by the sword, I have no problem with them dying by it as well. I also imagine that the parents paid for the lawyer. If they did, they have to take responsibility for what the lawyer said, and concurred and gave approval to it in fact... therefore they are admitting their guilt.

/not a lawyer.
//wouldn't play one on TV either.
 
2013-12-30 12:22:13 PM

megarian: I got a DUI for sitting in my car when my roommates were fighting. I was extremely drunk. They started brawling. I said "f*ck this" and went to my car to wait it out. Not driving. Sitting. Someone called the cops on my roommates. The first thing they saw when they arrived was me in my car. BAM. DUI. I had to go to classes, pay thousands of dollars and $1000 a year for 5 years, breathalyzer every morning before 9am for 6 months ($5 a pop, every day), drug tests, etc.

...my point is this whole "buy your way out" bullshiat pisses me off to no end. It's sick.


Crazy!  I got my DUI in TN sitting in my driveway avoiding my roommates because they were arguing.  I went to my Jeep and cranked it up and turned on the heat and seat heaters, drained the remainder of the Jim Beam and went to sleep. Woke up being pulled out of my Jeep and put on a stretcher.  The cops had been called on a suspicious vehicle, more than likely my asshole roommates because the Jeep running outside was keeping them awake once they quit arguing at 3 am.  Pleaded guilty for a plea bargain after 2 years of continuing due to combat deployments, 8 grand in atty fees, still did 2 days in the county workhouse, $2700 in fines and court cost, and 1 year probation and loss of driving privileges  (suspended because I was moving to Korea with the Army).  Sad fact:  I was lucky.  I saw people get straight railroaded for similar events because they couldn't afford an atty.

/Never been a fan of the fact that justice indeed has a monetary value.
 
2013-12-30 12:22:34 PM

GrendelMk1: //killing somebody should be murder

What's the choice of weapon got to do with it?


Killing someone isn't necessarily murder.  Please look up the definition of the word "murder".  This sort of misuse of meaningful terms is why George Zimmerman got away with no punishment versus getting something like "manslaughter".  Stop misusing words.  It....literally....kills me.  *snerk*

/drink
//can't at work
///will make up for it tonight
 
2013-12-30 12:23:10 PM

doglover: Giltric: Revenge is a dish best served cold....

It's really not.

It's best served WELL. If Cuchulain is avenging your death before your blood was cold on the earth, as was his boast, that's 10,000% cooler than the Count of Monte Cristo's little plot, which was actually kind of a puss move in real life and was foiled by a pocket knife in his chest.

The problem with revenge is you have to know whom, why, and then cook up a pretty good how. It has to send a message, not just redress a wrong, or you'll wind up like Gilsi and be hunted as a murderer by people who should know better but are honor bound. That's why the 47 Ronin are so freakin' awesome. When they killed the bastard, they did it with the same knife their master used, marched through Tokyo in a triumph, and told everyone they passed what they did and why. Then they took their sentences like men. farkING AWESOME. So they get a pass.

But consider. What if, in the year they bided and pretended to be drunks, their target had died of illness or been cut down by someone else? What if he'd fallen off a horse and died in the mud the DAY before they went to move on his house? They'd be forgotten losers, most likely becoming the drunks and whoremongers they pretended to be. Honor gone like their legacy. Poof.

That's why you don't wait longer than needed. If you can avenge someone properly on the spot, it's world's classier than any scheme. Heck, even trying and failing is more admirable than waiting, usually. Most Shakespearean tragedies involve waiting. Hamlet could have lived. Instead everyone dies because he lacked the Danish meatballs to take proper vengeance.


Keanu?  Are you trying to drum up ticket sales on Fark, dude?

I gotta say, the movie looks a touch racist in that trailer.  Just saying "Here's a white samurai with an all Asian supporting cast." is a little 1960s.  Tom Cruise at least had the decency to explain why there was a white guy.
 
2013-12-30 12:25:51 PM

Giltric: How bout someone waits a couple years and then puts a round through his skull?

Revenge is a dish best served cold....


was thinking same. Wouldn't be hard to figure out who did it though. You might get lucky if the investigating officers 'lost' some evidence in some fit of karmic reward.
 
2013-12-30 12:28:31 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: This is not going to go anywhere.

http://www.ehow.com/info_8764527_texas-parental-liability-actions-ch il dren.html

Civil Law
Parents may be held responsible for damage their children do. With respect to property damage, Texas law provides that parents are liable only to a limited extent, however legal responsibility is restricted to situations in which the child's negligent, or careless conduct can be reasonably attributed to the parent's failure to control the child. For children between 10 and 18, where their conduct is willful and malicious, parents are liable for damages up to $25,000 per occurrence, in addition to court costs and reasonable attorney's fees.


I think this case would be aiming for punitive damages, which are not covered, as this section refers specifically to capping property damage
 
2013-12-30 12:30:14 PM

mike_d85: Keanu? Are you trying to drum up ticket sales on Fark, dude?


fark damn don't see that movie if you like the history.

It's actually a fairly nice rendition of the story as a fantasy piece, and would fit well in manga doujin (fan made comic) form. But as a Hollywood film? It's half 300 half last Samurai. At least 300 was based on the Allan Moore comic, so the Persians couldn't be too angry at the studio. But this abortion? It's like someone bought the historical manga of the story and took a liquid shiat on it and everywhere the diarrhea juice flowed they cut pieces out of Inuyasha to cover the color, not the smell, and then that was their storyboard.
 
2013-12-30 12:31:55 PM
It's caused by the H$N$ virus.
 
2013-12-30 12:32:35 PM
CJHardin:

Crazy!  I got my DUI in TN sitting in my driveway avoiding my roommates because they were arguing.  I went to my Jeep and cranked it up and turned on the heat and seat heaters, drained the remainder of the Jim Beam and went to sleep. Woke up being pulled out of my Jeep and put on a stretcher.  The cops had been called on a suspicious vehicle, more than likely my asshole roommates because the Jeep running outside was keeping them awake once they quit arguing at 3 am.  Pleaded guilty for a plea bargain after 2 years of continuing due to combat deployments, 8 grand in atty fees, still did 2 days in the county workhouse, $2700 in fines and court cost, and 1 year probation and loss of driving privileges  (suspended because I was moving to Korea with the Army).  Sad fact:  I was lucky.  I saw people get straight railroaded for similar events because they couldn't afford an atty.

/Never been a fan of the fact that justice indeed has a monetary value.


I couldn't afford an attorney. I got the same punishment as someone that was drunk and took out several road signs/rear-ended an SUV with kids in it.

My car wasn't even running. So awesome.

Apparently, we have terrible taste in roommates.
 
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