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(Sydney Morning Herald)   Latest attempt to rescue global warming research ship abandoned due to thick wedges of consolidated irony   (smh.com.au) divider line 32
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2013-12-30 10:37:55 AM  
4 votes:
Something something something something... ice caps are fresh water.... something something something, fresh water added to salt water lowers salinity, something something something, thereby raising the surrounding ocean water's freezing temperatures allowing ocean waters to freeze at warmer temps...
2013-12-30 10:22:04 AM  
4 votes:
OnlyM3: sudo-scientific sky is falling Chicken Littles

Seriously. You are saying that climate scientists, with years of experience, PhDs in the field, mountains of data, and peer-reviewed publications are "sudo-scientific"? (your spelling - you a Linux person?)

But you think right-wing bloggers with no education in the field, no research, no data, and a clear political agenda are scientific??

Wow.
2013-12-30 10:01:18 AM  
4 votes:
OMG THERE'S ICE AT THE NORTH FARKING POLE GLOBAL WARMING IS A CONSPIRACY
2013-12-30 10:11:54 AM  
3 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great


No. I remember the science being heavily leaning towards global warming in the 70's.

You know how I remember this? Because all the scientific literature from the 70's is available and it clearly shows this.

There was a time magazine cover in the 70's about cooling ... but you wouldn't be stupid enough to get your science from Time magazine would you?
2013-12-30 10:07:06 AM  
3 votes:
If the planet was so warm that there was no ice at the south pole we wouldn't be discussing global warming on the internet, we'd most likely be dead.
2013-12-30 10:06:34 AM  
3 votes:
It's almost like those on the left want Global Warming to be happening.

Imho, it's a big redistribution of wealth scheme that's just starting to fall apart
2013-12-30 04:05:52 PM  
2 votes:
I don't care.

I'll continue not to care.

When I think I might start caring, I come to threads like these on the internet and am quickly reminded of why I don't care by folks like ikanreed.

Environmentalism is the new religion as evidenced by it's zealots.

Back to being a "denier." Oh my, how will I go on?
2013-12-30 10:23:32 AM  
2 votes:

Farking Canuck: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great

No. I remember the science being heavily leaning towards global warming in the 70's.

You know how I remember this? Because all the scientific literature from the 70's is available and it clearly shows this.

There was a time magazine cover in the 70's about cooling ... but you wouldn't be stupid enough to get your science from Time magazine would you?


Actually, there WAS much media coverage of the threat of Global Cooling.  See newsweek and The National Science Board's Patterns and Perspectives in Environmental Science report of 1972.

Actually, if you simply go to the Wikipedia page on 'global cooling', you will learn about several sources news about global cooling at the time. Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom is correct.  Global cooling was in the news in the 70s.  Add to that many of the major metropolitan area news programs eventually featured stories about it.
2013-12-30 10:10:52 AM  
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a media-invented lie that almost zero scientists actually believed?


ftfy

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/01/the-global-coo li ng-myth/
2013-12-30 10:08:02 AM  
2 votes:
This is ironic ... for stupid people ... who don't understand the difference between weather and climate ... and that is is cold in the antarctic (even with global warming).
2013-12-30 10:07:25 AM  
2 votes:
Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great
2013-12-30 01:05:27 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Tricky Chicken: ikanreed: Tricky Chicken: Wow, please re-read your own post over and over until you understand it.

O...kay...  I have critically applied the concept both to itself, and the underlying point that you shouldn't be hung up on what was reported by some unspecified number of journalists 40 years ago.  I cannot figure out what I'm missing, so please stop assuming I'm aware of whatever hypocrisy you see.

Oh, it is clear that you are unaware.

Nope, you don't get to do that.  You don't get to be a dense motherfarker, have it pointed out to you, say "you too" and then act smug without justifying it.

Since you're not going to do that...  Let's go back to my point.

Are you going to stop repeating the nonsense about articles in the 70s, so we have one less idiot dragging down the debate in all these threads? If no, why not, elaborate, if you can?


No, I will not deny that there was a time in the 70s where there was reporting of a potentially looming global cooling cycle. But like I previously mentioned, I will point out that at that time, the understanding of the climate was not the same as it is now.  And while some at the time predicted a pending cooling period, almost nobody is making that prediction at this time. I will not ever go on a moronic tirade insisting that everyone that has even read the articles is a denier, because I know just how definitively stupid that position is.
2013-12-30 12:47:18 PM  
1 votes:

sufferpuppet: How much stock should we put in the science!!! done by people who were outsmarted by ice?


About as much as a vulcanologist who gets killed by a volcanic bomb. shiat happens. It's funny, but it doesn't mean anything.

That said, the leader of the field trip said the temperature outside rose to above freezing, and he thought he saw a few cracks in front of the boat, so things were maybe changing.  The very next update came in the way of much colder weather and blizzard like conditions, and cracks in 12 foot thick ice don't mean jack diddly.  In other words, the dude is trying to drink his own PR Kool-Aid.
2013-12-30 12:28:52 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Tricky Chicken:
Wow, you are all over the place.  Are you asserting that acknowledging that in the 70s there were stories abour global cooling automatically makes you a denier?

Just replying to this one sentence, since it's been an important part of what I've been saying, but yes.  It absolutely 100% does.  It's in the nature of denialism to latch onto one point you personally don't like, and repeat it forever.  Not every denier generates all of the same points, because all of them are personally hung up on some arbitrary point.  It's human psychology, and it's why we get these stupid, non-ending debates, and you should stop doing it.


Wow, please re-read your own post over and over until you understand it.

CeroX:

Please tell me you at least understand the above post.  This is the type of lunacy I was railing against. Simply acknowledging the articles exist makes you a denier.  This level of rank stupidity is all the deniers need to justify their position.
2013-12-30 12:12:42 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ignoring the name calling, you seem rather preoccupied with putting people into the neat little categorical containers that the media has prepared for you. Subjects like global climate change and evolution are generally not served well by black and white thinking. That arrests the discussion instead of furthering it. Just sayin

What?

No, seriously, what?

I can't even begin to guess what point you're making.


That is clear from every other post you have made so far.
2013-12-30 11:52:58 AM  
1 votes:
The real problem with AGW is that it fails the common sense test.
2013-12-30 11:48:13 AM  
1 votes:
This YouTube link is actual footage from the 1912 Mawson journey.  Note the lack of ice on the coastline.
http://youtu.be/k-9yJ6-6aEs

The tourists are being led by Chris Turney and you can google up who he is and what he does.

yes, this is a weather event.  Nobody plans on driving a non icebreaking ship into 12 foot thick ice flows. The ice surrounded them after bad weather.

This last ship that was going to rescue these folks was ITSELF trapped in pack ice for three weeks ending just a few weeks ago.

Most climate related stunts (and that's what this was) that get interrupted by bad weather are humorous.  Ric Romero is warming up the duhcopter for a closer look now.

They'll be helicoptering the passengers off this junket in a day or so and that will be the end of it.
We'll be back to normal derp in no time at all.
2013-12-30 11:40:14 AM  
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Farking Canuck

But you think right-wing bloggers with no education in the field, no research, no data, and a clear political agenda are scientific??
Sorry, I didn't realize NASA was a right wing blog with no education.


The U.S. space agency NASA announced, the sea ice in the Antarctic has extended over an area of 19.47 million square meters at the end of September. That is the highest since measurements began in 1979.


Extent, or total volume? If it's only a foot thick, then it's far less than historical records.

I'll wait while you look that up...
2013-12-30 10:58:49 AM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: SH: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great

Born in the 50's here. You completely made that shiat up.

You must have been sleeping. Again, just look up the Wikipedia page on Global Cooling.  It really was in the news, you just must have missed it.


Born in 1950, and I remember hearing about the coming Ice Age.
2013-12-30 10:50:09 AM  
1 votes:

Animatronik: The problem with this particular field is that it relies so heavily on computer modeling that even experienced scientists scratch their heads when asked if the models are correct and predictions accurate.


No, they don't.  They look at predictive success of the various models and can actually assign meaningful assessments as to the accuracy.  Not just p values, but degrees of covariance and contra-variance over time, on multiple measurements, and first, second, third derivatives.  That's where these big meta-studies you ignore like IPCC and what not focus.  They look at which models have had the most accuracy and how, and publish clear and meaningful conclusions, and the press reports it simply(the simple version is that human induced temperature forcing has a huge effect compared to pretty much all other changes)


The biggest problem with all the pessimistic predictions is that aren't going to stop China and India, if anything they'll be encouraged to use even more energy by our continued efforts to cripple our industries .

Okay, how about you just stick with saying "it's politically impossible" rather than being part of the problem on it being politically impossible, and let us make meaningful attempts a la Kyoto to fix it.
2013-12-30 10:46:00 AM  
1 votes:
Farking Canuck

But you think right-wing bloggers with no education in the field, no research, no data, and a clear political agenda are scientific??

Sorry, I didn't realize NASA was a right wing blog with no education.


The U.S. space agency NASA announced, the sea ice in the Antarctic has extended over an area of 19.47 million square meters at the end of September. That is the highest since measurements began in 1979.
2013-12-30 10:42:46 AM  
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: OnlyM3: sudo-scientific sky is falling Chicken Littles

Seriously. You are saying that climate scientists, with years of experience, PhDs in the field, mountains of data, and peer-reviewed publications are "sudo-scientific"? (your spelling - you a Linux person?)

But you think right-wing bloggers with no education in the field, no research, no data, and a clear political agenda are scientific??

Wow.


The problem with this particular field is that it relies so heavily on computer modeling that even experienced scientists scratch their heads when asked if the models are correct and predictions accurate.

The biggest problem with all the pessimistic predictions is that aren't going to stop China and India, if anything they'll be encouraged to use even more energy by our continued efforts to cripple our industries .
2013-12-30 10:35:19 AM  
1 votes:

SH: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great

Born in the 50's here. You completely made that shiat up.


You must have been sleeping. Again, just look up the Wikipedia page on Global Cooling.  It really was in the news, you just must have missed it.
2013-12-30 10:34:23 AM  
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great

No. I remember the science being heavily leaning towards global warming in the 70's.

You know how I remember this? Because all the scientific literature from the 70's is available and it clearly shows this.

There was a time magazine cover in the 70's about cooling ... but you wouldn't be stupid enough to get your science from Time magazine would you?

Just Time Magazine?

"The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population." -- Reid Bryson, "Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man", (1971)

"This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000." -- Lowell Ponte "The Cooling", 1976

"If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age". -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

More recent:


wo German scientists, Horst-Joachin Luedecke and Carl-Otto Weiss of the European Institute for Climate and Energy, say that "two naturally occurring climate cycles will combine to lower global temperatures during the next century."

They added, "by the year 2100, temperatures on this planet will plunge to levels seen at the end of the 'Little Ice Age' in 1870."

i.dailymail.co.uk

i.dailymail.co.uk

"Only six years ago, the BBC reported that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by 2013, citing a scientist in the US who claimed this was a 'conservative' forecast. Perhaps it was their confidence that led more than 20 yachts to try to sail the Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific this summer. As of last week, all these vessels were stuck in the ice, some at the eastern end of the passage in Prince Regent Inlet, others further west at Cape Bathurst."
2013-12-30 10:25:41 AM  
1 votes:

BigGrnEggGriller: It's almost like those on the left want Global Warming to be happening.

Imho, it's a big redistribution of wealth scheme that's just starting to fall apart


That's because you're a dolt.

Lemme give you a little hint: your insurance company believes in global warming. The CIA believes in global warming. Investment banks believe in global warming.

The people that don't, for some reason, are mostly American evangelicals
2013-12-30 10:22:15 AM  
1 votes:
2013-12-30 10:11:38 AM  
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: This is ironic ... for stupid people ... who don't understand the difference between weather and climate ... and that is is cold in the antarctic (even with global warming).


Well, no, it's classic irony, except the problem is that idiots think it proves something.
2013-12-30 10:09:36 AM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Remember in the 70's and early 80's when everyone was shiatting their pants over a second ice age? Where 60% of the earth would be covered in ice and snow, and we'd all be living in igloos in the Caribbean?

That was great


Just in your head.   An ice age is where we should be headed given those "natural cycles" you idiots keep blathering about.  Actual climate science had already settled on the natural of global warming by this point.
2013-12-30 10:08:58 AM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: OMG THERE'S ICE AT THE NORTH FARKING POLE GLOBAL WARMING IS A CONSPIRACY


DON'T SAY THINGS THAT CHALLENGE MY UNQUESTIONING FAITH IN MY CHOSEN BELIEFS!! THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD GLOBAL WARMING AND AL GORE IS HIS ONLY PROFIT!

I loved the use of all caps too. nice touch.
2013-12-30 10:07:04 AM  
1 votes:
I don't know; it seems pretty ironic to me that the global climate change people are trapped by ice.
2013-12-30 10:02:37 AM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: OMG THERE'S ICE AT THE SOUTH FARKING POLE GLOBAL WARMING IS A CONSPIRACY


mahbad
2013-12-30 10:01:59 AM  
1 votes:
Hey, guys, there's no global warming.  There's ice, at the north pole, in winter.  Even though there's less than any year in history besides last year or the year before, it's still totally evidence.


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