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2013-12-30 10:12:53 AM
You brought my hopes up and then dashed them in mere seconds subby.
 
2013-12-30 10:13:30 AM
I guess you pays your money and takes your chances. Next time consider a weiner, dog.
 
2013-12-30 10:14:39 AM
He was delicious.
 
2013-12-30 10:16:30 AM
www.nokilldelaware.org
 
2013-12-30 10:16:46 AM
The video says it was a boxer the killed the owner and the written story says it was a pit-bull???? Journalism how does it work?
 
2013-12-30 10:19:17 AM
Another case for not having a pit bull
 
2013-12-30 10:21:00 AM

KimNorth: The video says it was a boxer the killed the owner and the written story says it was a pit-bull???? Journalism how does it work?


Like this you mean?

www.jonathancrossfield.com
 
2013-12-30 10:34:09 AM
Another tally for the Dog of Peace.
 
2013-12-30 10:34:40 AM
It was a boxer. The other dog was a cocker spaniel.
 
2013-12-30 10:35:04 AM

Astorix: Another case for not having a pit bull



It said on the broadcast it was a fight between a Cocker Spaniel and a Boxer.  The "print" article says that they were pit bulls.

/Fair and impartial journalism at its best, as always.
 
2013-12-30 10:36:57 AM
A boxer killed them?
www.cyberboxingzone.com
 
2013-12-30 10:38:42 AM
The Daily Mail said it was a boxer.
 
2013-12-30 10:42:12 AM
"What the hell kind of crap journalist are you?  Change that breed to PITBULL IMMEDIATELY!!!  Don't you want us to sell papers?"
 
2013-12-30 10:49:29 AM
Whoever invented auto-play videos needs to be fed to these dogs.
 
2013-12-30 10:49:54 AM

noitsnot: "What the hell kind of crap journalist are you?  Change that breed to PITBULL IMMEDIATELY!!!  Don't you want us to sell papers?"


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2013-12-30 10:54:25 AM
"Tom, tried to intervene after one of their pit bulls (dogs) attacked "

Well, I think I see the problem here...
 
2013-12-30 11:10:03 AM

KimNorth: The video says it was a boxer the killed the owner and the written story says it was a pit-bull???? Journalism how does it work?


And the stock image used in the video looks like a Rottweiler.
 
2013-12-30 11:22:01 AM
How many Vicks are in the phone book?
 
2013-12-30 11:34:36 AM

morcoth: "Tom, tried to intervene after one of their pit bulls (dogs) attacked "
Well, I think I see the problem here...


I got in the middle of a dog fight once. Have plenty of scars to prove it, including one on my chin. But you know, they were hurting my dog. I just can't have that.
 
2013-12-30 11:48:11 AM
Former Mayor Diane Vick and her husband, Tom, tried to intervene after one of their pit bulls attacked one of their smaller dogs, but the dogs attacked them, Mayor Jack Hakim said. They were flown to a hospital in Las Vegas.

Tom Vick and his wife tried to break up a fight Saturday evening between the family's boxer and cocker spaniel, police said. The boxer attacked both of them.


Changing from multiple pit bulls and an unidentified smaller dog to one boxer and a cocker spaniel two sentences later is a little blatant even for a journalist.
 
2013-12-30 12:04:06 PM

ErinPac: Former Mayor Diane Vick and her husband, Tom, tried to intervene after one of their pit bulls attacked one of their smaller dogs, but the dogs attacked them, Mayor Jack Hakim said. They were flown to a hospital in Las Vegas.

Tom Vick and his wife tried to break up a fight Saturday evening between the family's boxer and cocker spaniel, police said. The boxer attacked both of them.

Changing from multiple pit bulls and an unidentified smaller dog to one boxer and a cocker spaniel two sentences later is a little blatant even for a journalist.


All the news that fits, we print.
 
2013-12-30 12:13:09 PM
Damn!  Wrong Vick.
 
2013-12-30 12:36:15 PM

cryinoutloud: morcoth: "Tom, tried to intervene after one of their pit bulls (dogs) attacked "
Well, I think I see the problem here...

I got in the middle of a dog fight once. Have plenty of scars to prove it, including one on my chin. But you know, they were hurting my dog. I just can't have that.


There is no "Try" there is only "do"

www.panteraguns.com
 
msP
2013-12-30 12:37:18 PM
I think I was five when I first learned that you're never supposed to try and break up a dog fight, even if they're your dogs. How did these people own dogs and not know this? Unless you've got one hell of a well trained dog (which they didn't, or else it wouldn't have attacked the other in the first place), you shouldn't try to break it up. Dogs aren't dumb animals, but in the middle of a fight they can confuse who is who.

There's also a chance the dog might have been sick and delirious and didn't know who they were. My chihuahua who would never hurt me (or anyone really) almost drew blood when she was on pain killers and I tried to pick her up. She didn't know what was going on so that's how she reacted.

/Also, at the time I read this article, the text said boxer not pitbull.
 
2013-12-30 12:41:41 PM
The vid said cocker spaniel vs boxer. Boxers are brachycephalic (they've got a squish face) like a pit; but, there's no way you'd mistake a boxer for a pit. For one; most boxers have docked tails and for another boxers are smaller, with shorter coats. A lot of people don't like the tail docking thing; but, I can attest that it is a safety feature. Boxers are known to wag at hypersonic speeds and that tail hurts when you get hit by it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were new to boxers and their boxer decided to play fight. They do it fairly often; I could see an older dog seeing it as an actual fight and retaliating. The fight would only get worse once people got involved. You've got to have a gigantic yard if you want to keep boxers; they are like a 3 year old on a sugar high 24-7.
 
2013-12-30 12:50:05 PM
The correct way to break out a dog fight is with two people - each grab the hind legs of a dog and pull them apart.  By dragging them apart this way it gets them off balance and it's hard for them to whip around and bite you.
 
2013-12-30 01:00:57 PM

msP: I think I was five when I first learned that you're never supposed to try and break up a dog fight, even if they're your dogs. How did these people own dogs and not know this? Unless you've got one hell of a well trained dog (which they didn't, or else it wouldn't have attacked the other in the first place), you shouldn't try to break it up. Dogs aren't dumb animals, but in the middle of a fight they can confuse who is who.

There's also a chance the dog might have been sick and delirious and didn't know who they were. My chihuahua who would never hurt me (or anyone really) almost drew blood when she was on pain killers and I tried to pick her up. She didn't know what was going on so that's how she reacted.


Intellectually, I know not to get in the middle of a dog fight, even when it's my dog.  But, as it's happening, all you can think is, "OMG, my dog's going to get hurt!" and you get in the middle.  It's stupid and, more often than not, a losing proposition, but you're not thinking rationally when it's your dog.  Twice, I've been stupid enough to get in the middle of a dog fight.  The first time, it was my German Shepherd and a neighbor's Shepherd mix.  My dog was adopted and had never been socialized around dogs and we were working w/her fear aggression.  Neighbor's dog was an absolutely out-of-control killing machine who'd been cited before for biting someone.  Neighbor's 4-yo daughter opened the door as we were walking by & their maniac animal got out.  All common sense went out the window & I stepped in-between the two dogs.  Thankfully, I was wearing boots so, when one bit me (and I still to this day don't know which one), it hurt like hell but didn't break skin. 

I adopted a  year-old Great Dane puppy last December.  Another one who was unsocialized but, unlike the Shepherd, got overly excited & wanted to play w/other dogs.  She got out of the house a couple of months ago (I had French doorknobs on my screen door & I guess she figured out how they work) when a neighbor was walking his pitbull mix puppy (and yes, it's a pitbull-type dog.  Part Staffie, part Bull Mastiff).  He's an awesome dog but too strong and too excitable for my tiny little neighbor.  My dog leaped around his, wanting to play.  His dog got too wound up & excited and next thing we knew, both were all over each other, snarling and biting.  And the first thing I did was reach in for my dog's collar without thinking and got a bite on my wrist from my own dog for my trouble.  Luckily, no skin broken, but I had a horrible bruise for a week.  I think she realized she was biting me and instantly let go.

So, yeah--you can keep telling yourself how stupid it is to get involved in a dog fight---and it is---but, as it's happening, it's hard to remember.

/We've since replaced the doorknobs on the screen door.
 
2013-12-30 01:27:20 PM

iheartscotch: The vid said cocker spaniel vs boxer. Boxers are brachycephalic (they've got a squish face) like a pit; but, there's no way you'd mistake a boxer for a pit. For one; most boxers have docked tails and for another boxers are smaller, with shorter coats. A lot of people don't like the tail docking thing; but, I can attest that it is a safety feature. Boxers are known to wag at hypersonic speeds and that tail hurts when you get hit by it. I wouldn't be surprised if they were new to boxers and their boxer decided to play fight. They do it fairly often; I could see an older dog seeing it as an actual fight and retaliating. The fight would only get worse once people got involved. You've got to have a gigantic yard if you want to keep boxers; they are like a 3 year old on a sugar high 24-7.


If you have a Boxer with an undocked tail & uncropped ears, I can see how it could be mistaken for a pitbull-type dog.  Remember, pitbull-types are a mix of about 6 different breeds, ranging from a Bull Terrier (remember Spuds Mackenzie?) to a Staffordshire Terrier.  They can be all sorts of builds and sizes.  And most people don't even know what a pitbull is, thinking it's a breed of its own, thanks to the friggin' media.  If you put a Boxer next to a pitbull dog, I'm sure some people would see that Boxers are sleeker & have shorter muzzles.  The rest would be screaming about why you took two vicious animals out in public.

BTW, it's illegal in many countries now to dock tails and crop ears.  Many vets here won't do it, either, so you'll see more and more long-eared, long-tailed Boxers.  I have a Great Dane with a whip of a tail and could show you some ghastly bruises I've gotten from it, but I'd never subject her to some stupid, unnecessary surgery.
 
2013-12-30 01:34:46 PM

azxj: The correct way to break out a dog fight is with two people - each grab the hind legs of a dog and pull them apart.  By dragging them apart this way it gets them off balance and it's hard for them to whip around and bite you. to not attempt to do so with your hands or any other body part.



Dogs can balance and bite just fine on two forelimbs plus, with two dogs whirling around it's far from safe to try to have two different people accurately grab limbs at the exact same time.  This sounds like a good way to get your face right at perfect biting height.  I find water works best if you have a hose or a squirt gun or bottle.  You could probably also use a large stick or something that makes a very loud noise to distract them.
 
2013-12-30 02:05:00 PM
At least he wasn't killed by a bulldog in bullhead.
 
2013-12-30 02:45:49 PM

tiamet4: azxj: The correct way to break out a dog fight is with two people - each grab the hind legs of a dog and pull them apart.  By dragging them apart this way it gets them off balance and it's hard for them to whip around and bite you. to not attempt to do so with your hands or any other body part.


Dogs can balance and bite just fine on two forelimbs plus, with two dogs whirling around it's far from safe to try to have two different people accurately grab limbs at the exact same time.  This sounds like a good way to get your face right at perfect biting height.  I find water works best if you have a hose or a squirt gun or bottle.  You could probably also use a large stick or something that makes a very loud noise to distract them.



I've actually done the back-leg-grab maneuver (with another class member).  It worked OK.

The squirt gun idea sounds completely silly.
 
2013-12-30 03:50:47 PM

tiamet4: azxj: The correct way to break out a dog fight is with two people - each grab the hind legs of a dog and pull them apart.  By dragging them apart this way it gets them off balance and it's hard for them to whip around and bite you. to not attempt to do so with your hands or any other body part.


Dogs can balance and bite just fine on two forelimbs plus, with two dogs whirling around it's far from safe to try to have two different people accurately grab limbs at the exact same time.  This sounds like a good way to get your face right at perfect biting height.  I find water works best if you have a hose or a squirt gun or bottle.  You could probably also use a large stick or something that makes a very loud noise to distract them.


A swift kick between the legs will get their attention.
 
2013-12-30 04:03:42 PM
We had a pair of labs who'd scrap with each other sometimes.  Never tried to get between them.  When they'd fight I'd yell at them and tell one 'kitchen' and the other 'bathroom'.  If I did it loud enough they'd separate.

The yellow one had a tail like a mace.  Her whole hind end would swing.  She used to break panes out of our french door and more than once she smashed the family jewels.  The black one had a frilly tail that didn't cause much damage but created a breeze that knocked papers off tables.  She eventually had to have her tail cut off (tumor).  The nub was pretty funny to watch.  Without all the extra weight and drag it would wag insanely fast.

The yellow one also got into it with a German Shepard once (the Shepard started it by attacking our black lab, and the yellow one finished it).  It tore the Shepard's throat and just missed it's jugular.  It needed a bunch of stitches.  The neighbor tried saying we should pay the fine because our dogs were loose.  We pointed out that their dog was loose too, and it happened in our front yard.  The police looked at it and told the neighbors that they were lucky we weren't asking that the Shepard be destroyed.

Most of the time our dogs were sweet.  The yellow one was dumber than a bag of bricks though.  She'd sneak through the fence, and when you called her, she couldn't figure out how to get back through.  Fortunately, her sister would see this and go down to the hole on the other side of the fence and lead her through.
 
2013-12-30 04:51:47 PM
If you can't control your pets, they WILL eat you.

/Just letting you City Slickers know.
//Pets are actually wild animals, kept friendly by being well fed.
 
2013-12-30 06:41:02 PM
Either the link got swapped or the article got edited, because I saw nothing about pit bulls anywhere else than the thread.
 
2013-12-30 11:44:42 PM

noitsnot: tiamet4: azxj: The correct way to break out a dog fight is with two people - each grab the hind legs of a dog and pull them apart.  By dragging them apart this way it gets them off balance and it's hard for them to whip around and bite you. to not attempt to do so with your hands or any other body part.


Dogs can balance and bite just fine on two forelimbs plus, with two dogs whirling around it's far from safe to try to have two different people accurately grab limbs at the exact same time.  This sounds like a good way to get your face right at perfect biting height.  I find water works best if you have a hose or a squirt gun or bottle.  You could probably also use a large stick or something that makes a very loud noise to distract them.


I've actually done the back-leg-grab maneuver (with another class member).  It worked OK.

The squirt gun idea sounds completely silly.


All a squirt gun does is make the dogs angrier and fight harder. They just blame getting squirted on the other dog.

Another good way to break up a dogfight is to force an object such as a kitchen chair in between the dogs to help separate them. The worst way is to try grabbing their collars: you will get bitten. I know from experience, three times. (OK, Im a slow learner sometimes.) All just minor puncture wounds, luckily. It was by a Doberman so it could have been really bad.
 
2013-12-30 11:47:32 PM

fluffy2097: If you can't control your pets, they WILL eat you.

/Just letting you City Slickers know.
//Pets are actually wild animals, kept friendly by being well fed.


Are you really a moron or do you just play one on TV?
 
2013-12-31 09:55:57 AM

vinniethepoo: Are you really a moron or do you just play one on TV?


I'm not a moron, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so I can wing it if you need someone to be a moron.

/Seriously. Your cute little kitty and puppy will eat you when they get hungry enough.
//Happens all the time when crazy pet  people die in their homes and nobody notices for a few weeks.
 
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