Ishkur: THE GREAT NAME: This sound cute but the claims made by astrologers do not conflict in any way with the claims made by astronomersYes they do. Astrologers claim that the position of the planets in the night sky in some way contribute to your personality, in addition to what month your parents were having the most productive sex. Science has affirmed these claims as, at the very least, statistically insignificant, and at the most, egregiously false.Your thinking is fuzzy. Astrology makes claims that do not contradict those of astronomy. I agree that these claims are nonsense, but my point was that they are not contradictory, and you were wrong to suggest they were.
Jon Snow: THE GREAT NAME: Ishkur: THE GREAT NAME: And, indeed, this is the company climatology keeps. It is utterly supernatural.So tell me: What natural model for understanding and explaining the composition and changes in the Earth's climate do you accept, since you consider Climatology to be an alternative pseudo-science?Meteorology. In the long term limit, it becomes chaos theory (basically) and predicts unpredictable fluctuations that resemble pink noise (scale-invariant) and what we see in the data seems to fit, so this is the null hypothesis we run with until someone else can do better. Climatology has not.Oh look. Someone doesn't understand the difference between initial value problems and boundary value problems!Hey, TGN. Is it typically colder in the NH during boreal winter or summer?According to your insane ramblings, chaos theory should make this question unanswerable. But it's obviously not. And the reason is that it's not an initial value problem, but rather a boundary value problem.We're not trying to forecast the local weather in Chicago on June 17th, 2106.We're examining how changing the boundary values of the climate system affect the background conditions of the system across large spatial and temporal scales.
Ishkur: THE GREAT NAME: By that criterion, you would call astrology, homeopathy and ghost hunting sciencesNo, those are currently pseudo-sciences. They are alternative explanations of studying natural phenomena (in this case: astronomy, medicine and thanatology, respectively) that do not fit the current models that we have for understanding them.
Jon Snow: SevenizGud: if I worked in an imaginary "science", like climatology[i.imgur.com image 686x572]
SomeoneDumb: Back in the late 1980s or early 1990s I first heard the saying that digital lasts forever or five years, whichever comes first. This is old news to anyone who's ever done a backup.
dittybopper: Or, alternatively, just print the shiat out on paper and store it. Guaranteed, it will still be readable 100 years from now with no requirement to keep converting to new data formats and media.
LargeCanine: I suspect that later ages are going to look at the 20th and 21st centuries as a dark age for sciences, specifically "social" sciences.
MrBallou: FTFA: "Some of the time, for instance, it was saved on three-and-a-half inch floppy disks, so no one could access it, because they no longer had the proper drives,"I can confirm. I even have the 5 1/4" floppy disks holding my Master's degree data, and a bunch of later stuff on Zip Disks. Sorry, Science.Someday the Cloud will be obsolete and you'll have to transfer all your data to ectoplasm storage via direct mental link, or some damn thing.
Heliovdrake: Clearly science can not be trusted
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