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(Slate)   Disney's "Frozen" teaches girls a valuable lesson: don't marry the first guy who, er, "shows an interest" in you   (slate.com ) divider line
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2013-12-29 06:23:12 PM  
More like Disney's FRIGID amirite?!?!
 
2013-12-29 06:24:47 PM  
That joke works cryogenically as well...just saying...
 
2013-12-29 06:38:15 PM  
If anything it teaches boys the valuable lesson to not marry a woman smart enough to see through your plan to take all her money.
 
2013-12-29 06:42:42 PM  
They both had nice racks. There, I said it. Are you happy?
 
2013-12-29 07:11:18 PM  
Just because you've become a young woman, now
There's still some things that you don't understand, now
Before you ask some guy for his hand, now
You keep your freedom for as long as you can, now

My mama told me
You better shop around
 
2013-12-29 09:10:16 PM  
Frozen was atrocious and if you liked it you should feel bad.
 
2013-12-29 09:10:35 PM  
Umm... aren't there a LOT of Disney movies where the first guy trying to win the girl's heart turns out to be a creep? It's a common plot staple.
Anyway, I'm more interested in the photo caption from the article: Also, there's the part where sisters are doing it for themselves. What's not to love?

That conjures up plenty of images, and I'm sure I'm wrong about all of them or there'd be real controversy over this film.

/"Hey sis, mind if I borrow Buzz and Woody tonight for a Toy Story double feature? My prince hasn't come yet, but that's no reason why I can't."
 
2013-12-29 09:15:58 PM  
I've got a better message: Don't take life/romance advice from Disney productions.
 
2013-12-29 09:27:12 PM  
The lesson I take from most Disney films is to NOT be the parent of the main character. And if you must be a parent, be the father. Mothers have almost no chance of  surviving the movie, fathers have a slim chance.

/Tangled was a recent exception to this rule.
 
2013-12-29 09:41:14 PM  

WTF Indeed: If anything it teaches boys the valuable lesson to not marry a woman smart enough to see through your plan to take all her money.


It would take a retard not to see it if you blurt it out right when you think she'll die.
 
2013-12-29 09:45:42 PM  
Another "be a slut or marry the boy next door"/virgins vs. whores vs. mommas essay? I'm too tired & life is too filled with grey areas.

I still can't understand why moms are still considered expendable in Disney films. That's one of the reasons why I stay from their culture in the first place.
 
2013-12-29 09:52:36 PM  
I never liked Disney princess movies because I didn't much like the idea of waiting around for a prince to rescue me. Even as a small child, that damsel in distress thing didn't resonate.
 
2013-12-29 09:56:17 PM  

rynthetyn: I never liked Disney princess movies because I didn't much like the idea of waiting around for a prince to rescue me. Even as a small child, that damsel in distress thing didn't resonate.


Good thing this movie wasnt about damsels in distress.
 
2013-12-29 09:58:37 PM  

ParadisePornoTheater: I still can't understand why moms are still considered expendable in Disney films. That's one of the reasons why I stay from their culture in the first place.


I think it may have to do with growing up after WWI, WWI, and Korea. A lot of kids lost their dads, so for a lot of people, growing up without a dad was sad but understandable. As long as you had Mom, you were fine. Moms were the bedrock of family stability. She was the one who let you know you were loved. Even when Dad was there, he was always at work and never around like Mom. So again, going without a father was sad but not out of the ordinary because Mom was always there.

That's why they had to kill the character's mother. It's the ultimate adversity. That's my take on it at least.
 
2013-12-29 10:02:09 PM  

rynthetyn: I never liked Disney princess movies because I didn't much like the idea of waiting around for a prince to rescue me. Even as a small child, that damsel in distress thing didn't resonate.


Me either. I tended to get annoyed at the "heroines." Why is she waiting for him to rescue her? Why didn't she do something? Might as well tie her to a railroad track. Argh.

I haven't seen Frozen.
 
2013-12-29 10:02:30 PM  
Subby should've gone with the Cool tag.
 
2013-12-29 10:03:37 PM  

soporific: ParadisePornoTheater: I still can't understand why moms are still considered expendable in Disney films. That's one of the reasons why I stay from their culture in the first place.

I think it may have to do with growing up after WWI, WWI, and Korea. A lot of kids lost their dads, so for a lot of people, growing up without a dad was sad but understandable. As long as you had Mom, you were fine. Moms were the bedrock of family stability. She was the one who let you know you were loved. Even when Dad was there, he was always at work and never around like Mom. So again, going without a father was sad but not out of the ordinary because Mom was always there.

That's why they had to kill the character's mother. It's the ultimate adversity. That's my take on it at least.


I read a thing by a Disney writer once who said that they have to kill off the parents to give the main character (the one that the kids identify with) the opportunity to have an adventure on their own, without the involvement of a protective guardian.  He didn't really go into why the mother is always killed off and not the father, but I can make some speculations of my own and they're not far from what you wrote.
 
2013-12-29 10:07:14 PM  
I just saw this movie this weekend and I loved it.  I loved that it didn't follow all the typical Disney tropes.  However I figured someone with a sandy vagina would find SOMETHING wrong with the message.  Jeez can't people just enjoy a movie?

Reading the comments though on the actual website, is nice since most of them are ripping this woman a new one.
 
2013-12-29 10:11:01 PM  
What is movie about?
 
2013-12-29 10:12:38 PM  
Frozen was pretty good.  The parent-death-trap thing was still there, but most of the other Disney tropes were turned on their heads.  I was especially happy  that the "love's first kiss" crap was beaten down.  Pretty hard, too.

/Brave was better.
 
2013-12-29 10:30:43 PM  

BalugaJoe: What is movie about?


Your Mom.
 
2013-12-29 10:34:26 PM  
Too girly for me.  Half the movie was like watching my five year old niece play with a princess castle playset.
 
2013-12-29 10:34:40 PM  
Also, lock your kids away in isolation the majority of their childhood with no social interaction or outside activities and they'll still turn out just fine. It worked in Frozen and Tangled. No major psychological issues whatsoever. Also, finding out your mom isn't just not your mom but kidnapped you as a baby to rap your magic hair and keep you locked away like that? Walk it off nancy.
 
2013-12-29 10:36:08 PM  

rynthetyn: I never liked Disney princess movies because I didn't much like the idea of waiting around for a prince to rescue me. Even as a small child, that damsel in distress thing didn't resonate.


You may enjoy the twist at the end then...
 
2013-12-29 10:41:55 PM  

almandot: Also, lock your kids away in isolation the majority of their childhood with no social interaction or outside activities and they'll still turn out just fine. It worked in Frozen and Tangled. No major psychological issues whatsoever. Also, finding out your mom isn't just not your mom but kidnapped you as a baby to rap your magic hair and keep you locked away like that? Walk it off nancy.


Well, to be fair, she did have an awesome pet chameleon.  I bet that's what did the trick.
 
2013-12-29 10:42:05 PM  
Would have been better without the magic snowman.
 
2013-12-29 10:46:41 PM  

ParadisePornoTheater: I still can't understand why moms are still considered expendable in Disney films.


Kids can't really come of age if the parents are in the picture, especially mom.  So, you either have to have the character in their early 20's which takes away from any sense of accomplishment (because who can't do fantastic things as an adult?) or kill the parents.
 
2013-12-29 10:50:40 PM  

WTF Indeed: If anything it teaches boys the valuable lesson to not marry a woman smart enough to see through your plan to take all her money.


I would say it teaches boys not to fark with a girl who can Sub-Zero your sorry ass.
 
2013-12-29 11:00:25 PM  

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: That's why they had to kill the character's mother. It's the ultimate adversity. That's my take on it at least.

I read a thing by a Disney writer once who said that they have to kill off the parents to give the main character (the one that the kids identify with) the opportunity to have an adventure on their own, without the involvement of a protective guardian.


lh3.ggpht.com
 
2013-12-29 11:01:18 PM  

Steve Zodiac: The lesson I take from most Disney films is to NOT be the parent of the main character. And if you must be a parent, be the father. Mothers have almost no chance of  surviving the movie, fathers have a slim chance.

/Tangled was a recent exception to this rule.


That is a fair point.  Aside from Mulan and Tangled, I'm hard-pressed to think of any feature-length Disney animated film where the biological parents of the title character (or protagonist, where the film isn't named after a character) are both alive at film's end.  Hell, even Goofy is a single-dad.
 
2013-12-29 11:05:23 PM  

BalugaJoe: What is movie about?


Lesbianism. Not very subtle either.
 
2013-12-29 11:08:21 PM  

TheMatchHare: Steve Zodiac: The lesson I take from most Disney films is to NOT be the parent of the main character. And if you must be a parent, be the father. Mothers have almost no chance of  surviving the movie, fathers have a slim chance.

/Tangled was a recent exception to this rule.

That is a fair point.  Aside from Mulan and Tangled, I'm hard-pressed to think of any feature-length Disney animated film where the biological parents of the title character (or protagonist, where the film isn't named after a character) are both alive at film's end.  Hell, even Goofy is a single-dad.


Does Pixar count? Brave and the Incredibles spring to mind.
 
2013-12-29 11:08:35 PM  
Disney taught that lesson years ago.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-12-29 11:16:23 PM  

LucklessWonder: TheMatchHare: Steve Zodiac: The lesson I take from most Disney films is to NOT be the parent of the main character. And if you must be a parent, be the father. Mothers have almost no chance of  surviving the movie, fathers have a slim chance.

/Tangled was a recent exception to this rule.

That is a fair point.  Aside from Mulan and Tangled, I'm hard-pressed to think of any feature-length Disney animated film where the biological parents of the title character (or protagonist, where the film isn't named after a character) are both alive at film's end.  Hell, even Goofy is a single-dad.

Does Pixar count? Brave and the Incredibles spring to mind.


That's a fair point--I still keep Disney & Pixar as separate entities in my mind, but you're probably correct.
 
2013-12-29 11:20:30 PM  
Rethink the plot behind Cinderella. In many iterations she's the rightfully a princess or duchess, subjugated to housemaid through some plot device. Meets a prince, he goes for her and her rightful title. Kills or banishes her wicked stepmother and step sibs.

Anyhow.

www.theherobiz.com
 
2013-12-29 11:23:11 PM  

Old Man Winter: BalugaJoe: What is movie about?

Lesbianism. Not very subtle either.



FTA :

...the handsome prince turns out to be a bad guy who is only pretending to love our heroine to get his hands on her inheritance.

Instead of the prince's true love... it is a sister's love that must save the day
.


Definitely not.
 
2013-12-29 11:31:48 PM  

Random Internet Persona: rynthetyn: I never liked Disney princess movies because I didn't much like the idea of waiting around for a prince to rescue me. Even as a small child, that damsel in distress thing didn't resonate.

Me either. I tended to get annoyed at the "heroines." Why is she waiting for him to rescue her? Why didn't she do something? Might as well tie her to a railroad track. Argh.

I haven't seen Frozen.


It shows.
 
2013-12-29 11:34:05 PM  

TomD9938: Old Man Winter: BalugaJoe: What is movie about?

Lesbianism. Not very subtle either.


FTA :

...the handsome prince turns out to be a bad guy who is only pretending to love our heroine to get his hands on her inheritance.

Instead of the prince's true love... it is a sister's love that must save the day.


Definitely not.


Stop it, you guys. Honestly, just stop it. You're getting me interested in this damn movie and I know I'll only be disappointed.

/This Christmas, see Frozen, aka Bound II, featuring the voices and meticulously CGI recreated breasts of Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly. Don't bring the kids.
 
2013-12-29 11:34:50 PM  

Old Man Winter: BalugaJoe: What is movie about?

Lesbianism. Not very subtle either.


img72.imageshack.us
 
2013-12-29 11:36:07 PM  
Seriously, I'm the only one who found the magical snowman and his song about summer annoying?
 
2013-12-29 11:39:13 PM  

texdent: Would have been better without the magic snowman.


The snowman was funny, bite me.
 
2013-12-29 11:40:07 PM  

proteon: Frozen was atrocious and if you liked it you should feel bad.


Care to elaborate?
 
2013-12-29 11:56:24 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Random Internet Persona: rynthetyn: I never liked Disney princess movies because I didn't much like the idea of waiting around for a prince to rescue me. Even as a small child, that damsel in distress thing didn't resonate.

Me either. I tended to get annoyed at the "heroines." Why is she waiting for him to rescue her? Why didn't she do something? Might as well tie her to a railroad track. Argh.

I haven't seen Frozen.

It shows.


I wasn't talking about Frozen or its ilk (Brave etc). I was talking about the Disney films from my childhood, as was the woman I was talking to. But thanks for playing.

/32
 
2013-12-30 12:05:18 AM  

texdent: Seriously, I'm the only one who found the magical snowman and his song about summer annoying?


Yes. Olaf was well done. Some good and witty one liners, just the right amount of sweet and naive, and not overdone.
 
2013-12-30 12:19:22 AM  
Remember: this is a Disney Princess now, too, and we all know what happened to HER parents.

http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130311000945/starwars/images /3 /31/LeiaSupportsGunRights-ANH.png
 
2013-12-30 12:20:01 AM  

JayCab: Remember: this is a Disney Princess now, too, and we all know what happened to HER parents.



Oh dammit. Try this again.

static3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-12-30 12:22:00 AM  
Good. About time that tired trope got a kick in the goolies.
 
2013-12-30 12:37:37 AM  

fergusg: I've got a better message: Don't take life/romance advice from Disney productions Slate.

 
2013-12-30 02:11:40 AM  
Frankly we should all be grateful that the company that has stated on the record that animating women is too haaaaaaaard and that's why there's always so few of them per movie, and why they all look the same, did something vaguely non-moronic.

It's almost literally the least one could expect from that turd factory.
 
2013-12-30 02:42:35 AM  

EdgeRunner: TomD9938: Old Man Winter: BalugaJoe: What is movie about?

Lesbianism. Not very subtle either.


FTA :

...the handsome prince turns out to be a bad guy who is only pretending to love our heroine to get his hands on her inheritance.

Instead of the prince's true love... it is a sister's love that must save the day.


Definitely not.

Stop it, you guys. Honestly, just stop it. You're getting me interested in this damn movie and I know I'll only be disappointed.

/This Christmas, see Frozen, aka Bound II, featuring the voices and meticulously CGI recreated breasts of Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly. Don't bring the kids.


I took my daughter to see it a few weeks ago, not knowing anything about it. It's really a great movie, I was very impressed with the animation and the story. Songs weren't bad, either. First Disney story that I couldn't predict from start to finish in decades.

Going again tomorrow with some relatives, and I don't consider it a punishment for once.
 
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