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2013-12-29 04:36:00 PM  
6 votes:
To me, it looks like Eduardo is putting things in place for a presidential run in 2016. I do hope he runs and gets the nomination. If that happens, there's little chance he'd choose anyone other than another Teabagger as a running mate. A pair of TeaTard candidates on a national ticket would likely lead to an easy Democratic win. Plus, it would shine a bright, impossible-to-ignore spotlight on the GOP's moral bankruptcy as Señor Cruz tries to peddle his empty(-headed) policy ideas.

Plus the comedy would be non-stop. Not to mention the delicious flow of Republican Tears in November 2016 - Awesome.
2013-12-29 05:49:57 PM  
5 votes:

rnld: Mad_Radhu: At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

A little research on your part is in order.



Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)
It's only for births abroad.  Obama's birth in Hawaii makes it a moot point for him, but it's an actual problem for Cruz - he doesn't dispute he was born in Canada, so it was abroad, and he doesn't dispute that his father was non-US.  So it all hinges on his mother's documented US residency for a valid duration at the time he was born.
Extra extra fun - Canada won't just take his mom's word for it, because they won't let him drop Canadian citizenship unless he has documented citizenship somewhere else, i.e. they won't let him make himself "stateless."  So presumably these lawyers are trying to find records of her residency 45-50 years back.
Triple extra fun - if Cruz & mom can't prove the above, then he's not a natural-born US citizen. Also, since he was never naturalized as an immigrant-turned-citizen, then he's working as a Senator as an illegal immigrant.
2013-12-29 07:26:33 PM  
3 votes:

spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?


Nathan Fillion
2013-12-29 07:20:06 PM  
3 votes:
I think it's wonderful that a US Senator is taking the time and spending the money to insult our closest neighbor, for zero practical reasons, but only to pander to xenophobia.

I can only hope some reporter has the guts to ask the obvious question: "Why did you do this?"  There's no tax implications, or anything else. He can't state the real reason. He'd have to fall back on, "to prove how much I love Merica!" and then the follow up is: "So people who have dual citizenship from birth don't really love this country as much as you?"

(also, Canada gave us Leonard Nimoy, so we're cool with you, Canucks).
2013-12-29 04:16:01 PM  
3 votes:
Canada - 1
U.S.A - 0
2013-12-29 04:15:38 PM  
3 votes:
I am certain Canadians appreciate this gesture.
2013-12-29 04:01:37 PM  
3 votes:
Oddly enough I've hired lawyers to send Ted back to Canada. Or Cuba. Or Columbia. I'm not really picky at this point
2013-12-29 05:17:25 PM  
2 votes:
That's really farking sad when politicians see dual citizenship as a negative thing.
2013-12-29 05:02:32 PM  
2 votes:
Canada's response:

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2013-12-29 09:38:20 PM  
1 votes:

spongeboob: Ishkur: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?

How about we just let these two fight it out
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Winner take all


They've also got Alpha Flight.
2013-12-29 08:15:03 PM  
1 votes:
Ted Cruz says he's hired lawyers to renounce Canadian citizenship


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2013-12-29 07:20:48 PM  
1 votes:

clambam: Mr. Cruz must be able to provide proof of his mother's residency for those five years. Her electrical bills from 1963 to 1968 should do the trick.


Actually since his mother was reportedly born in 1935, she needs complete, continuous records from 1949-54.  At that time she likely would not have been the named party on the bill (parents or husband in those days) plus neither she nor the utility company would be likely to have kept those ancient records for any reason.

She's most likely going to have to come up with school records, which have a greater chance of being preserved, but that could have been checked with a phone call or two so it's odd they haven't been presented to the public yet.  She got a degree from Rice U. in Houston "in the 50's" but that would have been the mid-late 1950's.  It's not like she forgot wherever she went to high school, but no sign of those either.

Ted's Wiki page is oddly lacking the year of his parent's marriage and the year they moved to Canada - looks like they moved back to the US in 1974 when Ted was 4.

The marriage part is interesting.  It was a second marriage for both his parents, assuming they are in fact married - we haven't seen their marriage license or record.  We also don't know when each parent officially filed divorce from the previous spouse.  What makes it interesting is that, if they weren't married on or before 12/22/70, then Ted was born out of wedlock, and the rules are different:

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person's birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person's birth.

So now she doesn't need to prove her residency for ages 14-19, and now must only show one year's residency.  That sounds easier.  Why would that take so much time and effort?
2013-12-29 07:03:45 PM  
1 votes:

El Pachuco: rnld: Mad_Radhu: At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

A little research on your part is in order.


Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)
It's only for births abroad.  Obama's birth in Hawaii makes it a moot point for him, but it's an actual problem for Cruz - he doesn't dispute he was born in Canada, so it was abroad, and he doesn't dispute that his father was non-US.  So it all hinges on his mother's documented US residency for a valid duration at the time he was born.
Extra extra fun - Canada won't just take his mom's word for it, because they won't let him drop Canadian citizenship unless he has documented citizenship somewhere else, i.e. they won't let him make himself "stateless."  So presumably these lawyers are trying to find records of her residency 45-50 years back.
Triple extra fun - if Cruz & mom can't prove the above, then he's not a natural-born US citizen. Also, since he was never naturalized as an immigrant-turned ...


As I've stated in other Ted Cruz threads, the Tea Party could not have found a more ironic "star." Thanks to his role in the shutdown/debt ceiling debacle, Ted Cruz is now a freshmen Senator whose actions threatened the stability of the United States and her allies while managing to accomplish nothing. According to his colleagues, he's pretty snobbish about being an Ivy Leaguer, as well. Add to this his citizenship being in some sort of strange limbo, and Cruz has somehow managed to fit himself into the mold of a Foreign-Born, Elitist, Empty-Suit Destroyer of America. The whole situation is nuts.
2013-12-29 06:53:25 PM  
1 votes:

spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?


Shatner?  Ok well he is kind of a jerk but I still can't hate the guy.
2013-12-29 06:48:41 PM  
1 votes:
Born in Alberta 43 years ago last Sunday, Sen. Ted Cruz was unaware of his dual nationality until The Dallas Morning News explored the issue in August.....His mother, he said, had understood that it would have taken an affirmative act to claim Canadian citizenship, and that's what she'd told him as a child.


Didn't Cruz go to Harvard law school, and was 'one of the smartest students. according to Alan Dershowitz never took a few minutes to look up the law about his birth but instead listened to his mommy, or is now throwing mommy under the bus.
So is he lazy or disingenuous, yeah I know
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yeah and I am talking about both Rafel and Al.
2013-12-29 05:58:05 PM  
1 votes:
I like that he never bothered to even spend 5 minutes looking online, as someone born in Canada, about what that would mean for his status in Canada. Right in line with his character.
2013-12-29 05:48:56 PM  
1 votes:

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


Good thing he didn't need a security clearance for that job; he would have been SOL.
2013-12-29 05:48:52 PM  
1 votes:

Phil McKraken: What's involved in renouncing Canadian citizenship, anyway? I hope he gets paddled by a Mountie.


As explained above:

Canadian law (like most countries) mandates that you cannot render yourself stateless by renouncing your citizenship.

Raphael Eduardo Cruz is going to have to prove to the Canadian government's satisfaction that he has citizenship status in another country before they allow him to renounce his Canadian citizenship.

This means he is going to have to jump through all the hoops that the birthers were demanding of President Obama.

He has to prove not only that his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, he also has to provide documentation that she qualifies under the same arcane laws of the day specifying her age and amount of time spent in and out of the country ... the same legal jungle that the birthers are forever citing in their lame attempts to make Mr. Obama a foreigner.

Right in the middle of an election.

/delicious
2013-12-29 05:38:41 PM  
1 votes:

Vexed Thespian: Mad_Radhu: Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago

At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

I am so embarrassed I have gone this long without knowing that.  thankyou for clearing that up


I don't believe it. That sounds like a special rule for someone who's parent of some residency status other than "citizen". Do you have some documentation?
2013-12-29 05:34:22 PM  
1 votes:

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


[quizzicaldog]

I don't know crap about your dad but Eduardo Cruz is full of shiat.

A dishonest, self-serving, publicity hungry, power mad, reactionary with less integrity and morals than an alley cat in heat.
2013-12-29 05:28:50 PM  
1 votes:

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


Is he running for POTUS?
2013-12-29 05:20:48 PM  
1 votes:

Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago


If Cruz runs for POTUS in 2016 it will be kinda awkward for over 40% of the republicans that called for Obama's "long form" birth certificate.

Who am I kidding?  They all voted for Romney while calling a duplicate to Romneycare "the worst thing that has ever happened to the US".

Principles are not a burden conservatives have.
2013-12-29 05:18:20 PM  
1 votes:

Mad_Radhu: At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.


A little research on your part is in order.
2013-12-29 05:12:10 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: I'm gonna need to see his long-form birth certificate first.


You and the Canadian authorities both.

This is the best part.

Canadian law (like most countries) mandates that you cannot render yourself stateless by renouncing your citizenship.

Raphael Eduardo Cruz is going to have to prove to the Canadian government's satisfaction that he has citizenship status in another country before they allow him to renounce his Canadian citizenship.

This means he is going to have to jump through all the hoops that the birthers were demanding of President Obama.

He has to prove not only that his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, he also has to provide documentation that she qualifies under the same arcane laws of the day specifying her age and amount of time spent in and out of the country ... the same legal jungle that the birthers are forever citing in their lame attempts to make Mr. Obama a foreigner.

Right in the middle of an election.

/delicious
2013-12-29 05:09:21 PM  
1 votes:
All the Birthers are silent with Cruz, wow who would have predicted that?


A: Everyone who doesn't believe the BSABSVR lie.
2013-12-29 05:08:10 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, Canada? Keep Cruz and send us Ford.
2013-12-29 05:06:52 PM  
1 votes:
If it's Hillary Clinton vs. Ted Cruz in 2016, I'm moving to New Zealand.
2013-12-29 05:06:39 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago
2013-12-29 04:45:55 PM  
1 votes:
And if it would further his career or make him some money, he would denounce his American citizenship as well.

cdn.theatlantic.com
2013-12-29 04:37:57 PM  
1 votes:

MustangFive: To me, it looks like Eduardo is putting things in place for a presidential run in 2016. I do hope he runs and gets the nomination. If that happens, there's little chance he'd choose anyone other than another Teabagger as a running mate. A pair of TeaTard candidates on a national ticket would likely lead to an easy Democratic win. Plus, it would shine a bright, impossible-to-ignore spotlight on the GOP's moral bankruptcy as Señor Cruz tries to peddle his empty(-headed) policy ideas.

Plus the comedy would be non-stop. Not to mention the delicious flow of Republican Tears in November 2016 - Awesome.


The comedy of Gold GOLD Jerry of this?  Every Cruz supporter I know in real life is also a damn birther.  Cruz fans here in Texas are already arguing over this.  Some have come up with a compromise:  "It's ok to break the law because they let Obama get away with it."
2013-12-29 04:37:15 PM  
1 votes:
The article forgets to mention that Canada will not abolish his Canadian citizenship until Cruz can shop proof of U.S.A. citizenship

/'Green card' is not U.S.A. citizenship.
2013-12-29 04:28:52 PM  
1 votes:
Meh. This is going to turn into another cracker eating moment for Ted, especially when there's a ton of other things you can be mad at him about.
2013-12-29 04:27:46 PM  
1 votes:
I'm pretty sure this will open up an investigation into his "claimed" US citizenship.

/not a birther
//he has not provided one shred of actual evidence to support his claims
///POPCORN!!!!11!
 
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