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2013-12-29 10:03:28 PM  

quatchi: ox45tallboy: TV's Vinnie: Ted Cruz says he's hired lawyers to renounce Canadian citizenship

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Canadian vuvuzelas? WTF?

We call them Bonguzelas up here.

Multicultural *and* Multifunctional!


Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzblubblubblubblub...

Whhhhhffffffffffffff
 
2013-12-29 10:22:25 PM  

fusillade762: spongeboob: Ishkur: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?

How about we just let these two fight it out
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Winner take all

They've also got Alpha Flight.


Beat me to it.

/They're awesome.
 
2013-12-29 10:24:15 PM  
Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?
----------


honesty

integrity

republican


One of these things is not like the other. I'll give him a pass if his cable box is broken and stuck on Fox, and he lives in the middle of nowhere with no one to talk to.
 
2013-12-29 10:46:13 PM  
We're sending Cruz back and Bieber with him.
 
2013-12-29 11:05:37 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago

At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.


That law only mattered if he was born outside of the US.  However, he was born in Hawaii, which was part of the US despite what birthers claim.
 
2013-12-29 11:54:24 PM  

47 is the new 42: Mad_Radhu: Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago

At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

That law only mattered if he was born outside of the US.  However, he was born in Hawaii, which was part of the US despite what birthers claim.


This is true, but I was trying to answer the question of why where he was born wad even a question, since being born to an American mother theoretically should have automatically conferred citizenship. The whole debate came down to a really oddly written law that could theoretically have stripped children of Americans of citizenship simply because of the age of the mother, if the kid happened to have been born overseas. It was really strange that his location of birth was even important.
 
2013-12-30 12:34:37 AM  

El Pachuco: Triple extra fun - if Cruz & mom can't prove the above, then he's not a natural-born US citizen. Also, since he was never naturalized as an immigrant-turned-citizen, then he's working as a Senator as an illegal immigrant.


Oh, wouldn't that just be AWESOME. I'd just come in my panties for days.
 
2013-12-30 01:03:44 AM  
 El Pachuco: Extra extra fun - Canada won't just take his mom's word for it, because they won't let him drop Canadian citizenship unless he has documented citizenship somewhere else, i.e. they won't let him make himself "stateless."  So presumably these lawyers are trying to find records of her residency 45-50 years back.

All he has to do to prove his U.S. citizenship is to present his U.S. passport. The document is proof of citizenship. You don't have to prove eligibility for U.S. citizenship, that was presumably required to obtain the passport.
 
2013-12-30 01:05:16 AM  

Phil McKraken: Vexed Thespian: Mad_Radhu: Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago

At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

I am so embarrassed I have gone this long without knowing that.  thankyou for clearing that up

I don't believe it. That sounds like a special rule for someone who's parent of some residency status other than "citizen". Do you have some documentation?


The Code work?

http://library.uwb.edu/guides/usimmigration/66%20stat%20163.pdf

Section 301 (a) (7)

Paragraphs 1, 2, 5, and 6 have to do with people born in the U.S and outlying territories, 3 is for two U.S. citizen parents, and 4 is for a U.S. Citizen and a U.S. National (currently only those born in American Samoa who do not receive U.S. citizenship).

The idea is would be to stop families that live in foreign countries from maintaining their citizenship through the generations. Canada recently passed a law that says, if your parents received citizenship via birth overseas you cannot receive citizenship via birth overseas. For the same reasons.
 
2013-12-30 01:06:44 AM  

Mad_Radhu: This is true, but I was trying to answer the question of why where he was born wad even a question, since being born to an American mother theoretically should have automatically conferred citizenship. The whole debate came down to a really oddly written law that could theoretically have stripped children of Americans of citizenship simply because of the age of the mother, if the kid happened to have been born overseas. It was really strange that his location of birth was even important.


I would assume that there was eitehr some other tidbit of law to cover that issue or (more likely) there was an administrative position to cover the issue.
 
2013-12-30 01:33:04 AM  

dywed88: All he has to do to prove his U.S. citizenship is to present his U.S. passport.


So why has it taken over a year so far and he's hired lawyers to begin the process of completing the paperwork.

You have a GED in Canadian law right?

/still delicious
 
2013-12-30 01:36:22 AM  

dywed88: All he has to do to prove his U.S. citizenship is to present his U.S. passport


That's what President FartBongo thought too.

/nice try though commie
 
2013-12-30 02:10:16 AM  

ox45tallboy: Does anyone else think the Founding Fathers had a pretty good reason for making only "natural born citizens" eligible for the office of President? I don't like the idea of a dual-citizenship Canadian making decisions like the Keystone XL pipeline, which the Canadian government is promoting because it will raise the price of Canadian oil. I don't think a person with divided loyalties will make a choice with only the US in mind.

I love you Canadian folk, but I also like the fact we get your oil cheaper than everyone else.


Canadian oil is cheaper? Fungible commodities, how do they work?
 
2013-12-30 02:28:54 AM  
Who can apply to renounce their Canadian citizenship?

To renounce your Canadian citizenship using this application you must:

1-not reside in Canada;
2-be a Canadian citizen;
3-be a citizen of a country other than Canada;
4-not be a threat to Canada's security or part of a pattern of criminal activity;
5-be 18 years of age or older; and
6-understand the significance of renouncing your Canadian citizenship.


If I was Canada I'd be a little concerned about number 4 there.
 
2013-12-30 02:35:16 AM  

Al Hashshashin: So why has it taken over a year so far and he's hired lawyers to begin the process of completing the paperwork.


Politics and making a show of it?

Unless they have reason to question the documentation provided, a passport is the default proof of citizenship.
 
2013-12-30 02:58:11 AM  

MisterRonbo: Canadian oil is cheaper?


Yes. I know it's hard to believe, but Canada can sell to their next-door neighbor cheaper than they can sell to someone halfway around the world.

MisterRonbo: Fungible commodities, how do they work?


They don't work the way you think they work. I know fungible is a fun word, but it doesn't mean what you think it means.

Imagine if Frito-Lay was buying potatoes to turn into potato chips. They can buy from several different farmers, with several different prices. If their potato chip manufacturing plant is in, say, Oregon, they will likely pay less for Idaho potatoes than Iowa potatoes, as the Iowa guys can't exactly eat the higher shipping costs. Even if Frito-Lay buys the potatoes in Iowa and transports them themselves, they still wind up paying more in total to get the potatoes to their manufacturing plant. The potatoes are "fungible" in the sense that Frito-Lay will produce a consistent product no matter which farmer they purchase from, but it does not mean they will have the same costs.

Same way with oil. The cost to American petroleum companies of Canadian oil is cheaper than South American oil because it is so much closer. There are other factors, like the fact that some parts of the world pay their petroleum workers far less than Canada pays theirs, but the transport costs are a huge factor. Canada is simply much farther from mos of the oil-consuming world than they are from the US.

The Canadian government has stated in no uncertain terms that they believe that the Keystone XL pipeline will increase the price of Canadian oil, as they will be able to ship from the Gulf of Mexico, making the oil more available to other countries. The increased demand will drive up oil prices as American companies are forced to bid against other companies in other countries where the transport costs currently make Canadian oil relatively unattractive. In other words, it becomes cheaper to ship to other places, so therefore more expensive to Americans.

If you owned a business selling fruit in a small town, you wouldn't make many sales on ebay because of the shipping costs. Therefore, your prices would stay low to keep the locals buying your fruit. If you managed to make a good deal with FedEx to ship your fruit for $.50/case, your transportation costs would no longer be prohibitive and you could sell to people in other parts of the country. At this point, you would raise your prices as you would have a much higher demand due to nationwide availability - tons more people can afford your fruit. Sure, the locals would buy less, but you're selling out at higher prices because your shipping costs went down.

We don't need a dual-citizen Canadian in charge of a decision like this. It is not in the best interests of the United States to voluntarily take action that will raise gas prices to benefit Canadian companies.
 
2013-12-30 02:59:35 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Oddly enough I've hired lawyers to send Ted back to Canada. Or Cuba. Or Columbia. I'm not really picky at this point


Cruz attended Princeton, not Columbia.
 
2013-12-30 03:11:40 AM  

dywed88: Politics and making a show of it?


yes, that's it!

Raphael Eduardo Cruz is intent on making a show of being a Canadian citizen.

Is that why President Fartbongo didn't just show his passport? He wanted to make a show of it?

You may be right though, the application asks for documentation (sworn documentation) proving alternate citizenship. I really don't know, a notarized sworn copy of his passport may be enough for them but you don't know that either.

Plus, there's the number 4 requisite in my post above requiring that the applicant must "not be a threat to Canada's security".

I don't see any scenario in which Raphael Eduardo Cruz is not a threat to Canada's, or anybody's, security and I'm in the process of writing a strongly worded letter to that effect to the appropriate Canadian department as we speak.

I suggest you do the same.
 
2013-12-30 03:21:15 AM  

FrancoFile: If it's Hillary Clinton vs. Ted Cruz in 2016, I'm moving to New Zealand.


New Zealand's actually very picky about immigration. If you have bad enough luck to get this scenario (we, I mean we all), I hope you get lucky becoming a Kiwi.
 
2013-12-30 04:42:30 AM  

Al Hashshashin: Who can apply to renounce their Canadian citizenship?

To renounce your Canadian citizenship using this application you must:

1-not reside in Canada;
2-be a Canadian citizen;
3-be a citizen of a country other than Canada;
4-not be a threat to Canada's security or part of a pattern of criminal activity;
5-be 18 years of age or older; and
6-understand the significance of renouncing your Canadian citizenship.

If I was Canada I'd be a little concerned about number 4 there.


I see your point.

Number 6 looks iffy as well.

This is the guy who didn't get the point to a freaking Doctor Suess book.

Demonstrating that he actually understand the significance of renouncing his Canadian citizenship might be a tough sell as well.

That noted, end of the day it's good riddance to bad rubbish and I personally volunteer to wield the big rubber stamp that officially makes Cruz an UnCanadian.

Also worth noting. I took the liberty of having my earlier "No Take Backisies" post officially certified by a team of notary publics, a singing mountie and a guy who claims to have been a roadie for Neil Young back in the day.

So he's all yours and good luck with that. Seriously.
 
2013-12-30 04:50:26 AM  

dywed88: All he has to do to prove his U.S. citizenship is to present his U.S. passport.


No sir.  That's a tautology and does not qualify someone for the highest post on the US.

You can get a passport on debatable circumstances, no doubt, because for 99.99% it doesn't matter that much, but just waving one around does not qualify someone to be POTUS.
 
2013-12-30 05:13:21 AM  

quatchi: So he's all yours


well, you're no help.

you realize, if you release him from his Canadian citizenship that he may in fact be in a position one day to shut down Stephen Harper's government too.

oh, wait.

/maybe Cuba wants him
 
2013-12-30 05:38:29 AM  

El Pachuco: You can get a passport on debatable circumstances, no doubt, because for 99.99% it doesn't matter that much, but just waving one around does not qualify someone to be POTUS


playing devil's advocate here, he's not trying to be POTUS here, he's just trying to convince the Canadian government that he's in fact an American citizen.

They do request documentation of that fact to be supplied with the application to renounce. What's your opinion on exactly that documentation should be? What documentation could someone who didn't have an American birth certificate supply other than a passport?

/idly wondering who has standing to intervene in the process
 
2013-12-30 05:44:50 AM  

Al Hashshashin: Who can apply to renounce their Canadian citizenship?

To renounce your Canadian citizenship using this application you must:

1-not reside in Canada;
2-be a Canadian citizen;
3-be a citizen of a country other than Canada;
4-not be a threat to Canada's security or part of a pattern of criminal activity;
5-be 18 years of age or older; and
6-understand the significance of renouncing your Canadian citizenship.

If I was Canada I'd be a little concerned about number 4 there.


Number four is a "backsies" for the government. If I am going to renounce my citizenship to commit treason or other crimes the government can undo my renouncement and then try me as a citizen if it so suits them since i had lied in my renouncement of my citizenship and therefore nullifies it
 
2013-12-30 05:56:35 AM  

Magic_Button: Number four is a "backsies" for the government


Well, it doesn't say "if you renounce" and you turn out to be a threat we'll ... errr ... unrenounce you?

It says "to renounce" you must not be a threat.

I'm not even sure what your point is anyway. By that interpretation all of them could be considered "backsies" and what does it matter? If you harm Canadian security after renouncing you could conceivably be tried anyway, whether you're still a citizen or not.

/backsies or frontsies
//irrelevant post is irrelevant
 
2013-12-30 05:58:55 AM  
unless he gets elected President I suppose

/hard to get POTUS extradited you know
 
2013-12-30 07:35:53 AM  
FTA:"His mother, he said, had understood that it would have taken an affirmative act to claim Canadian citizenship, and that's what she'd told him as a child."

So his mother believed in affirmative action???
Interesting.
 
2013-12-30 08:10:45 AM  
Cruz's argument is bunk. McCain can be president, and ran for such office because he was born in an American controlled zone in Panama.
Cruz was straight-up born in Canada, so unless Canada is in fact controlled by the United States, or he was born in a part of Canada under full control and authority of the United States of the America, he cannot be president because he was born in a foreign country and thus cannot be a natural born citizen.

You can say what you want about his parents or what he does now, it still doesn't change the fact that he was born on Canadian soil, thus eliminating any chance at all of him being president.

Remember, John McCain's own lawyers made it clear to the nation in 2008 that he can be president because the U.S. controlled that part of Panama at the time(and I agree with them), although some may argue that to be a stretch, all the same; if he were born in any other part of Panama that was not controlled by the U.S. at the time, he, John McCain war hero, would still not be eligible for the office of president of the United States.

Ted Cruz has no leg to stand on, and renouncing his Canadian citizenship does not change where he was born.

Unless we're all going to agree that Canada is technically America in the sense that it's part of the North "America" and the U.S. has a ambiguous name and fark the law, then have at it.
 
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2013-12-30 09:08:09 AM  

Ishkur: /I count 7 movies for Wolvie: three x-men, Origins, Wolvie, Future Days, and First Class if you count his cameo


well... if you do that i am pretty sure Nick Fury would win. the Hasselhoff movie + all the Samuel L. Jackson cameos.
 
2013-12-30 10:00:39 AM  

Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.


Ouch that list is not pretty
 
2013-12-30 10:14:36 AM  

El Pachuco: clambam: Mr. Cruz must be able to provide proof of his mother's residency for those five years. Her electrical bills from 1963 to 1968 should do the trick.

Actually since his mother was reportedly born in 1935, she needs complete, continuous records from 1949-54.  At that time she likely would not have been the named party on the bill (parents or husband in those days) plus neither she nor the utility company would be likely to have kept those ancient records for any reason.

She's most likely going to have to come up with school records, which have a greater chance of being preserved, but that could have been checked with a phone call or two so it's odd they haven't been presented to the public yet.  She got a degree from Rice U. in Houston "in the 50's" but that would have been the mid-late 1950's.  It's not like she forgot wherever she went to high school, but no sign of those either.

Ted's Wiki page is oddly lacking the year of his parent's marriage and the year they moved to Canada - looks like they moved back to the US in 1974 when Ted was 4.

The marriage part is interesting.  It was a second marriage for both his parents, assuming they are in fact married - we haven't seen their marriage license or record.  We also don't know when each parent officially filed divorce from the previous spouse.  What makes it interesting is that, if they weren't married on or before 12/22/70, then Ted was born out of wedlock, and the rules are different:

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person's birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person's birth.

So now she doesn't need to prove her residency for ages 14-19, and now must only show one year's residency.  That sounds easier.  Why would that take so much time and effort?


No, she doesn't need to prove residency from age 14-19, only residency any five years between age 14 and giving birth (plus any five before age 14).
 
2013-12-30 10:23:33 AM  

Al Hashshashin: yes, that's it!

Raphael Eduardo Cruz is intent on making a show of being a Canadian citizen.


No, others have made a show of him being a Canadian citizen and now he is making a show of not being a Canadian citizen anymore.

Al Hashshashin: Well, it doesn't say "if you renounce" and you turn out to be a threat we'll ... errr ... unrenounce you?

It says "to renounce" you must not be a threat.

I'm not even sure what your point is anyway. By that interpretation all of them could be considered "backsies" and what does it matter? If you harm Canadian security after renouncing you could conceivably be tried anyway, whether you're still a citizen or not.


A fraudulently completed renunciation is invalid. There are some advantages to prosecuting someone if they are Citizens (mostly if they are outside the country).
They have used similar terms to revoke citizenship from some people, notably Nazi war criminals.
 
2013-12-30 12:39:34 PM  

spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?


Well, musically, The Band, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young. Then, there are quite a few scientific luminaries...Frederick Banting comes to mind.
 
2013-12-30 02:08:13 PM  

inclemency: FrancoFile: If it's Hillary Clinton vs. Ted Cruz in 2016, I'm moving to New Zealand.

New Zealand's actually very picky about immigration. If you have bad enough luck to get this scenario (we, I mean we all), I hope you get lucky becoming a Kiwi.


I already researched it.

/valuable skills & education
//good health
///no dependents
////capital to start/invest in a business
 
2013-12-30 02:30:02 PM  

dywed88: Phil McKraken: Vexed Thespian: Mad_Radhu: Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago

At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

I am so embarrassed I have gone this long without knowing that.  thankyou for clearing that up

I don't believe it. That sounds like a special rule for someone who's parent of some residency status other than "citizen". Do you have some documentation?

The Code work?

http://library.uwb.edu/guides/usimmigration/66%20stat%20163.pdf

Section 301 (a) (7)

Paragraphs 1, 2, 5, and 6 have to do with people born in the U.S and outlying territories, 3 is for two U.S. citizen parents, and 4 is for a U.S. Citizen and a U.S. National (currently only those born in American Samoa who do not receive U.S. citizenship).

The idea is would be to stop families that live in foreign countries from maintaining their citizenship through the generations. Canada recently passed a law that says, if your parents received citizenship via birth overseas you cannot receive citizenship via birth overseas. For the same reasons.


Thank you.
 
2013-12-30 03:24:40 PM  

dywed88: now he is making a show of not being a Canadian citizen anymore.


actually, he's making a show of how difficult it seems to be for him to not be a Canadian citizen anymore.

If he merely wanted to make a show of not being a Canadian citizen anymore, he'd have waited until he wasn't a Canadian citizen anymore before starting the "show".

dywed88: A fraudulently completed renunciation is invalid.


I'm not disagreeing ... I'm just not sure how that point only applies to #4 in the list or why it's important to you.

I also think that is an awesome thought.

Eduardo renounces his Canadian citizenship, runs for and gets elected President, alters a security arrangement with Canada to their detriment and then Canada revokes his renunciation and applies to have the POTUS extradited to face charges of treason as a Canadian citizen.

/win
//win
///well, except for America
 
2013-12-30 05:19:47 PM  

Al Hashshashin: dywed88: now he is making a show of not being a Canadian citizen anymore.

actually, he's making a show of how difficult it seems to be for him to not be a Canadian citizen anymore.

If he merely wanted to make a show of not being a Canadian citizen anymore, he'd have waited until he wasn't a Canadian citizen anymore before starting the "show".

dywed88: A fraudulently completed renunciation is invalid.

I'm not disagreeing ... I'm just not sure how that point only applies to #4 in the list or why it's important to you.

I also think that is an awesome thought.

Eduardo renounces his Canadian citizenship, runs for and gets elected President, alters a security arrangement with Canada to their detriment and then Canada revokes his renunciation and applies to have the POTUS extradited to face charges of treason as a Canadian citizen.

/win
//win
///well, except for America


Political grandstanding works better when you show how much effort you are putting into something. Also, anyone should probably retain a lawyer for something like renouncing citizenship. It is something you want to dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s for.

The purpose of forcing citizenship back on people in such situations is that if you are currently involved in something you can't renounce your citizenship to get out of punishment or receive a reduced punishment.

Treason is a big one because. If living outside of Canada, a Canadian citizen can still be charged with treason. If it is just a foreigner outside the country committing what would be treasonous for a citizen, they are only guilty of the underlying charge. There are a few other crimes that this would apply to as well (such as child sex tourism).


I believe it could also affect extradition and such (Canada having more rights over Canadian citizens than non-citizens).
 
2013-12-30 06:42:57 PM  

dywed88: All he has to do to prove his U.S. citizenship is to present his U.S. passport.


dywed88: Also, anyone should probably retain a lawyer f

or something like renouncing citizenship. It is something you want to dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s for.

Ima just gonna leave you to going around in circles in this dead thread.

/wheeee
 
2013-12-30 08:56:18 PM  

Al Hashshashin: dywed88: All he has to do to prove his U.S. citizenship is to present his U.S. passport.

dywed88: Also, anyone should probably retain a lawyer for something like renouncing citizenship. It is something you want to dot your "i"s and cross your "t"s for.

Ima just gonna leave you to going around in circles in this dead thread.

/wheeee


You realize proving your citizenship is one part of the process?

But the process is certainly something you want done right.
 
2013-12-30 09:13:04 PM  

Mike_1962: spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?

Well, musically, The Band, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young. Then, there are quite a few scientific luminaries...Frederick Banting comes to mind.


According to wiki Frederick Banting stayed a proud Canuck his entire life, yeah he seems to have been quite a badass but he didn't move to the US, see Canada Bogarts all the cool people
 
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