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2013-12-29 05:40:51 PM  
What's involved in renouncing Canadian citizenship, anyway? I hope he gets paddled by a Mountie.
 
2013-12-29 05:44:16 PM  

Rat: Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.


one of these things is not like the others.
 
2013-12-29 05:45:09 PM  
The process would go faster but he shut down the Canadian government too
 
2013-12-29 05:48:52 PM  

Phil McKraken: What's involved in renouncing Canadian citizenship, anyway? I hope he gets paddled by a Mountie.


As explained above:

Canadian law (like most countries) mandates that you cannot render yourself stateless by renouncing your citizenship.

Raphael Eduardo Cruz is going to have to prove to the Canadian government's satisfaction that he has citizenship status in another country before they allow him to renounce his Canadian citizenship.

This means he is going to have to jump through all the hoops that the birthers were demanding of President Obama.

He has to prove not only that his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, he also has to provide documentation that she qualifies under the same arcane laws of the day specifying her age and amount of time spent in and out of the country ... the same legal jungle that the birthers are forever citing in their lame attempts to make Mr. Obama a foreigner.

Right in the middle of an election.

/delicious
 
2013-12-29 05:48:56 PM  

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


Good thing he didn't need a security clearance for that job; he would have been SOL.
 
2013-12-29 05:49:57 PM  

rnld: Mad_Radhu: At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

A little research on your part is in order.



Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)
It's only for births abroad.  Obama's birth in Hawaii makes it a moot point for him, but it's an actual problem for Cruz - he doesn't dispute he was born in Canada, so it was abroad, and he doesn't dispute that his father was non-US.  So it all hinges on his mother's documented US residency for a valid duration at the time he was born.
Extra extra fun - Canada won't just take his mom's word for it, because they won't let him drop Canadian citizenship unless he has documented citizenship somewhere else, i.e. they won't let him make himself "stateless."  So presumably these lawyers are trying to find records of her residency 45-50 years back.
Triple extra fun - if Cruz & mom can't prove the above, then he's not a natural-born US citizen. Also, since he was never naturalized as an immigrant-turned-citizen, then he's working as a Senator as an illegal immigrant.
 
2013-12-29 05:55:27 PM  

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


I got a really good blow job this morning. Cheers!
 
2013-12-29 05:58:05 PM  
I like that he never bothered to even spend 5 minutes looking online, as someone born in Canada, about what that would mean for his status in Canada. Right in line with his character.
 
2013-12-29 06:03:50 PM  
Can I just go on the record here and say I like Canadians.  Nice people.  I've been to several Canadian cities and I have always been treated very well.  Banff has decent skiing (a little icy though - at least when I was there).

When you think about it, being part Canadian is one of the few things that Teddy has going for him.  It doesn't mean much but at least you can't be mad at the guy for it.  But, much like most of his decisions in his political career, if it's at all positive it must be destroyed.  Meh....
 
2013-12-29 06:16:12 PM  
I swear that man wears mascara. Someone prove me wrong.
 
2013-12-29 06:16:28 PM  

Phil McKraken: Do you have some documentation?


*snert*
 
2013-12-29 06:21:14 PM  
I'm not your buddy, guy!


img.fark.net
 
2013-12-29 06:24:21 PM  

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


img543.imageshack.us
 
2013-12-29 06:29:46 PM  

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


Be born with an obviously thicker skin than you for a start.
 
2013-12-29 06:40:12 PM  

Vexed Thespian: FTFA    Under U.S. law, a child born with even one American parent is automatically entitled to citizenship, even if the birth takes place outside the country. Canada, like the United States, also confers automatic citizenship to anyone born on its soil, regardless of the parents' nationalities.

This is what I could never understand about the birther bullshiat.  His mother was american, who his father was and whether he actually was born in kenya was inconsequential by the fact that his mother was american. case closed.

/I know, this would only be relevant six years ago


El Pachuco: rnld: Mad_Radhu: At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

A little research on your part is in order.


Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)
It's only for births abroad.  Obama's birth in Hawaii makes it a moot point for him, but it's an actual problem for Cruz - he doesn't dispute he was born in Canada, so it was abroad, and he doesn't dispute that his father was non-US.  So it all hinges on his mother's documented US residency for a valid duration at the time he was born.
Extra extra fun - Canada won't just take his mom's word for it, because they won't let him drop Canadian citizenship unless he has documented citizenship somewhere else, i.e. they won't let him make himself "stateless."  So presumably these lawyers are trying to find records of her residency 45-50 years back.
Triple extra fun - if Cruz & mom can't prove the above, then he's not a natural-born US citizen. Also, since he was never naturalized as an immigrant-turned ...


Came here to say this. Mr. Cruz must be able to provide proof of his mother's residency for those five years. Her electrical bills from 1963 to 1968 should do the trick. Otherwise, we just have to take his word for it and you know what? I'm not prepared to do that.
 
2013-12-29 06:48:41 PM  
Born in Alberta 43 years ago last Sunday, Sen. Ted Cruz was unaware of his dual nationality until The Dallas Morning News explored the issue in August.....His mother, he said, had understood that it would have taken an affirmative act to claim Canadian citizenship, and that's what she'd told him as a child.


Didn't Cruz go to Harvard law school, and was 'one of the smartest students. according to Alan Dershowitz never took a few minutes to look up the law about his birth but instead listened to his mommy, or is now throwing mommy under the bus.
So is he lazy or disingenuous, yeah I know
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yeah and I am talking about both Rafel and Al.
 
2013-12-29 06:51:14 PM  

Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.


have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?
 
2013-12-29 06:53:25 PM  

spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?


Shatner?  Ok well he is kind of a jerk but I still can't hate the guy.
 
2013-12-29 06:53:59 PM  

FrancoFile: If it's Hillary Clinton vs. Ted Cruz in 2016, I'm moving to New Zealand.


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-12-29 06:59:26 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Peter von Nostrand: Oddly enough I've hired lawyers to send Ted back to Canada. Or Cuba. Or Columbia. I'm not really picky at this point

Why would you do that to the poor Cubans? Or Colombians?


That place as well

/I blame auto correct
 
2013-12-29 07:03:43 PM  

Phil McKraken: What's involved in renouncing Canadian citizenship, anyway? I hope he gets paddled by a Mountie.


It's blood in, blood out.

 
2013-12-29 07:03:45 PM  

El Pachuco: rnld: Mad_Radhu: At the time Obama was born there was some weirdly written law in place where the US parent had to have been physically living in the US for 5 years after the age of 14, so with his mother being 18 it was impossible for her to have met the requirement even if she never set foot outside the US. Don't know why they had the law written this stupidly, but they did.

A little research on your part is in order.


Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)
It's only for births abroad.  Obama's birth in Hawaii makes it a moot point for him, but it's an actual problem for Cruz - he doesn't dispute he was born in Canada, so it was abroad, and he doesn't dispute that his father was non-US.  So it all hinges on his mother's documented US residency for a valid duration at the time he was born.
Extra extra fun - Canada won't just take his mom's word for it, because they won't let him drop Canadian citizenship unless he has documented citizenship somewhere else, i.e. they won't let him make himself "stateless."  So presumably these lawyers are trying to find records of her residency 45-50 years back.
Triple extra fun - if Cruz & mom can't prove the above, then he's not a natural-born US citizen. Also, since he was never naturalized as an immigrant-turned ...


As I've stated in other Ted Cruz threads, the Tea Party could not have found a more ironic "star." Thanks to his role in the shutdown/debt ceiling debacle, Ted Cruz is now a freshmen Senator whose actions threatened the stability of the United States and her allies while managing to accomplish nothing. According to his colleagues, he's pretty snobbish about being an Ivy Leaguer, as well. Add to this his citizenship being in some sort of strange limbo, and Cruz has somehow managed to fit himself into the mold of a Foreign-Born, Elitist, Empty-Suit Destroyer of America. The whole situation is nuts.
 
2013-12-29 07:04:58 PM  

Fart_Machine: spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?

Shatner?  Ok well he is kind of a jerk but I still can't hate the guy.


Paul Shaffer?
 
2013-12-29 07:07:04 PM  

spongeboob: Born in Alberta 43 years ago last Sunday, Sen. Ted Cruz was unaware of his dual nationality until The Dallas Morning News explored the issue in August.....His mother, he said, had understood that it would have taken an affirmative act to claim Canadian citizenship, and that's what she'd told him as a child.

Didn't Cruz go to Harvard law school, and was 'one of the smartest students. according to Alan Dershowitz never took a few minutes to look up the law about his birth but instead listened to his mommy, or is now throwing mommy under the bus.
So is he lazy or disingenuous, yeah I know


And I'm sure this experience will cause him to be sympathetic to any Mexican immigrant who was told they were a citizen by their parents and weren't aware of their actual immigration status. Right?
 
2013-12-29 07:10:23 PM  

clambam: Came here to say this. Mr. Cruz must be able to provide proof of his mother's residency for those five years. Her electrical bills from 1963 to 1968 should do the trick. Otherwise, we just have to take his word for it and you know what? I'm not prepared to do that.


Uh problem.

For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.)

Rafael Eduardo Cruz was born on December 22, 1970.  According to him, at least.  We need to see the long-form birth certificate to be sure that's his actual birthdate, you know....

It gets more interesting if he was actually born out of wedlock.
 
2013-12-29 07:12:35 PM  

fusillade762: spongeboob: Born in Alberta 43 years ago last Sunday, Sen. Ted Cruz was unaware of his dual nationality until The Dallas Morning News explored the issue in August.....His mother, he said, had understood that it would have taken an affirmative act to claim Canadian citizenship, and that's what she'd told him as a child.

Didn't Cruz go to Harvard law school, and was 'one of the smartest students. according to Alan Dershowitz never took a few minutes to look up the law about his birth but instead listened to his mommy, or is now throwing mommy under the bus.
So is he lazy or disingenuous, yeah I know

And I'm sure this experience will cause him to be sympathetic to any Mexican immigrant who was told they were a citizen by their parents and weren't aware of their actual immigration status. Right?


From his history the ones who went to Harvard, Yale and Princeton only.
 
2013-12-29 07:17:10 PM  

spongeboob: have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?


Course not. Why would we do that? We keep all the premium entertainment for ourselves and cast off anyone seen as a threat to the purity of our superior Canadian values.

So enjoy your Celine Dione and Avril Levigne and Barenaked Ladies and Tom Green. And don't you dare think of invading us or we'll sic Wolverine on you.
 
2013-12-29 07:20:06 PM  
I think it's wonderful that a US Senator is taking the time and spending the money to insult our closest neighbor, for zero practical reasons, but only to pander to xenophobia.

I can only hope some reporter has the guts to ask the obvious question: "Why did you do this?"  There's no tax implications, or anything else. He can't state the real reason. He'd have to fall back on, "to prove how much I love Merica!" and then the follow up is: "So people who have dual citizenship from birth don't really love this country as much as you?"

(also, Canada gave us Leonard Nimoy, so we're cool with you, Canucks).
 
2013-12-29 07:20:48 PM  

clambam: Mr. Cruz must be able to provide proof of his mother's residency for those five years. Her electrical bills from 1963 to 1968 should do the trick.


Actually since his mother was reportedly born in 1935, she needs complete, continuous records from 1949-54.  At that time she likely would not have been the named party on the bill (parents or husband in those days) plus neither she nor the utility company would be likely to have kept those ancient records for any reason.

She's most likely going to have to come up with school records, which have a greater chance of being preserved, but that could have been checked with a phone call or two so it's odd they haven't been presented to the public yet.  She got a degree from Rice U. in Houston "in the 50's" but that would have been the mid-late 1950's.  It's not like she forgot wherever she went to high school, but no sign of those either.

Ted's Wiki page is oddly lacking the year of his parent's marriage and the year they moved to Canada - looks like they moved back to the US in 1974 when Ted was 4.

The marriage part is interesting.  It was a second marriage for both his parents, assuming they are in fact married - we haven't seen their marriage license or record.  We also don't know when each parent officially filed divorce from the previous spouse.  What makes it interesting is that, if they weren't married on or before 12/22/70, then Ted was born out of wedlock, and the rules are different:

Birth Abroad Out-of-Wedlock to a U.S. Citizen Mother:
A person born abroad out-of-wedlock to a U.S. citizen mother may acquire U.S. citizenship under Section 309(c) of the INA if the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person's birth and if the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person's birth.

So now she doesn't need to prove her residency for ages 14-19, and now must only show one year's residency.  That sounds easier.  Why would that take so much time and effort?
 
2013-12-29 07:23:06 PM  

Ishkur: spongeboob: have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?

Course not. Why would we do that? We keep all the premium entertainment for ourselves and cast off anyone seen as a threat to the purity of our superior Canadian values.

So enjoy your Celine Dione and Avril Levigne and Barenaked Ladies and Tom Green. And don't you dare think of invading us or we'll sic Wolverine on you.

of invading us or we'll sic Wolverine on you.



You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.
 
2013-12-29 07:25:15 PM  
Hey wait who was the last Republican to renounce foreign citizenship?


/ha-ha
 
2013-12-29 07:26:31 PM  

spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.


Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?
 
2013-12-29 07:26:33 PM  

spongeboob: Ishkur: This is not necessary. Canada's already disowned him. We etched him onto our grand list of Exiled Undesirables some time ago, right between Justin Bieber and Nickleback.

have you guys ever given the US anyone who wasn't a douchebag?


Nathan Fillion
 
2013-12-29 07:29:21 PM  

hawcian: Cruz has somehow managed to fit himself into the mold of a Foreign-Born, Elitist, Empty-Suit Destroyer of America. The whole situation is nuts.


330 million citizens to choose from and the GOP first gets a deserter (GWB) vs a genuine, served-two-tours war hero.  Then they get a guy who won't follow the political tradition  his own father startedof releasing 5 years' taxes (Romney).  Now they seem to be hanging their hopes on the guy with simultaneously the best Tea Party support and also the most dubious citizenship status in the entire Congress.
 
2013-12-29 07:29:54 PM  

spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.


static.comicvine.com
 
2013-12-29 07:32:32 PM  

Ishkur: Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?


filmpjekijken.com
 
2013-12-29 07:34:04 PM  

Ishkur: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?


How about we just let these two fight it out
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Winner take all
 
2013-12-29 07:35:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Ishkur: Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?


img.fark.net

So not a Canadian with all that violence.
 
2013-12-29 07:51:13 PM  

Ishkur: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?


After having watched The Wolverine today, that's nothing to be proud of.

On the plus side, it gave us the Keystone Ninjas
s27.postimg.org
 
2013-12-29 07:55:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Ishkur: Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?
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I really liked Thomas Jane's Frank Castle and thought he was easily the best. But I haven't seen the Ray Stevenson one yet (and he was badass as Titus Pullo). That's something I should put on my list.
/I count 7 movies for Wolvie: three x-men, Origins, Wolvie, Future Days, and First Class if you count his cameo
 
2013-12-29 07:58:57 PM  
Does anyone else think the Founding Fathers had a pretty good reason for making only "natural born citizens" eligible for the office of President? I don't like the idea of a dual-citizenship Canadian making decisions like the Keystone XL pipeline, which the Canadian government is promoting because it will raise the price of Canadian oil. I don't think a person with divided loyalties will make a choice with only the US in mind.

I love you Canadian folk, but I also like the fact we get your oil cheaper than everyone else.
 
2013-12-29 08:02:18 PM  
You mean Eduardo Rafael Cruz, the Canadian-born son of one of Castro's commie terrorists? That "Ted" Cruz?

How long before we start hearing that either a) dad was forced to fight for Castro and didn't really want to, or b) it never happened.
 
2013-12-29 08:02:59 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

[static.comicvine.com image 344x335]


Made me use Google, now I want a Puck movie, a cartwheeling little person I am so there.

MightyPez: Ishkur: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?

After having watched The Wolverine today, that's nothing to be proud of.

On the plus side, it gave us the Keystone Ninjas
[s27.postimg.org image 260x146]



Shouldn't the Keystone Ninjas come from my home state of PA?
 
2013-12-29 08:15:03 PM  
Ted Cruz says he's hired lawyers to renounce Canadian citizenship


l3.yimg.com
 
2013-12-29 09:04:55 PM  

spongeboob: Shouldn't the Keystone Ninjas come from my home state of PA?


Dude, they're ninjas. They come from where you least expect them, and you'll never know it until you're dead.
 
2013-12-29 09:05:32 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Ted Cruz says he's hired lawyers to renounce Canadian citizenship


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Canadian vuvuzelas? WTF?
 
2013-12-29 09:15:23 PM  

Rat: Cool!  I like the guy.  My dad has duel citizenship, born in Winnipeg.  Fought in two wars for the US.  Worked until age 67 for the US Inspector Generals office.  Full of honesty, integrity, and a republican.

™ what have you guys done except shiat on men like my father today?


You willingly compared your father to Ted Cruz? Why do you hate your father?
 
2013-12-29 09:35:11 PM  

ox45tallboy: TV's Vinnie: Ted Cruz says he's hired lawyers to renounce Canadian citizenship

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Canadian vuvuzelas? WTF?


We call them Bonguzelas up here.

Multicultural *and* Multifunctional!
 
2013-12-29 09:38:20 PM  

spongeboob: Ishkur: spongeboob: You got Wolverine we got every other mutant and the Avengers.

Yet which Marvel hero has the most movies under his belt?

How about we just let these two fight it out
[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x293][upload.wikimedia.org image 250x353]
Winner take all


They've also got Alpha Flight.
 
2013-12-29 09:47:19 PM  

wildcardjack: Apart from looking like a cross-eyed, color blind Mormon I used to know, he also looks like Grandpa Muenster.

I know it's ad-hominem and doesn't deal with his ideological malfeasance, but the man on the street won't be able to get past the appearance. Hell, can he even see over the podium?


Truly, History's greatest Muenster
 
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